>>84364489
>It's easy for slaves to get a good lot if they just work harder

>>84364489
Normies are the biggest victim blamers in the world. If anyone is slightly different, they assume that's the reason for all their problems.

It's not easy for incels. It shouldn't be about difficulty at all. They should find out if they're capable of it and whether they really enjoy it or not.

>>84364489
hes right but hes talking about mentalcels not incels. average looking guys that are "too shy" and "autistic(tm)". those types can only blame themselves and nobody should take them seriously

ok... whabou ugly guys?

>>84364489
its a fucking lie. I am great at small talk and charming women with humor but they dont actually give a shit about any of that. They want tall men, big cocks and big wallets, thats it.

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>boomer jew
>spinning bullshit

of course

>>84364489
I've found that things make sense when you accept that women are just as cold as you are in choosing partners. You instantly rank all the women you meet, from "ew" (fat) to "wow" (probably has a rich dad), women do the same but with even more criteria, you have to look decent, have your shit together, not be a pushover, not be a coward, not be dangerous, not make her think you'd abandon her, etc.
They don't ALL have a heart of stone, but everyone thinks about what's best for them to some degree, be realistic, how much can you actually offer? The rat race isn't optional.

>>84364489
mentalcels are far more common than lookscell.
Having autism is a dead sentence for your dating life unless you are tall and attractive.

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>>84364489
She would not pass the breakfast test. Fully unable to imagine a situation different from her own.

>>84364798
>I've found that things make sense when you accept that women are just as cold as you are in choosing partners. You instantly rank all the women you meet, from "ew" (fat) to "wow" (probably has a rich dad), women do the same but with even more criteria, you have to look decent, have your shit together, not be a pushover, not be a coward, not be dangerous, not make her think you'd abandon her, etc.
>They don't ALL have a heart of stone, but everyone thinks about what's best for them to some degree, be realistic, how much can you actually offer? The rat race isn't optional.
isnt it just common sense
of course women dont give a shit about you

>>84364839
>of course women dont give a shit about you
this and they also have in group bias against you so they would rather fuck each other
trying to date women is like being a slave in the south trying to pull a white

>>84364839
>isnt it just common sense
Half the time women openly admit to detesting manlets and other non-chads, half the time they INSIST that everyone can make it if they "have a nice personality".

>>84364489
Now let's see her idea of "average level of attractiveness" (chad lite).

>>84364949
7.5/10
Just like in videogame rating systems, anything 7 or below might as well not exist.

>>84364489
>>Just stop being a socially inept sperg bro!
Yes.
The only cure for social anxiety is exposure.
Normies aren't the problem, it's your victim complex holding you back from real growth.

Another issue is that most of you are NEETs who don't touch grass and don't realize how average most couples are.

>>84364814
Yep. Even if you manage to overpower the social awkwardness, your mannerisms and special interests will give women the ick. And they'll probably get all pissy that you're "treating them as a second mother" when you do things you can't help.

>>84364489
>Why are people poor? Just be rich!

These people literally don't get that it doesn't work if you're physically unattractive and that's like 90% of what makes a person want to talk to you

>>84365026
>Another issue is that most of you are NEETs who don't touch grass and don't realize how average most couples are.
exepplain

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>>84364489
>Hello, my name is [anon].
>hey?
>How are you doing today?
>fine?

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>Hello, my name is [anon].
>...
>If you'd like, want to go for a date sometime?
>oh, sorry, I wasn't really thinking about dating at this time in my life
>No problem at all, have a nice day.

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>hey [anon], something up?
>Hey [foid], just wanted to ask a question. If you have time on Saturday, would you like to go on a date?
>...
>you mean like, a hangout?
>Yes, but, it's because I like you and wanted to get to know you better.
>[anon], you're really sweet, but I just don't like you like that
>I get it.

>>84367493
Reading these makes me so glad I never asked out a foid before

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>just have exceptional social skills bro, be yourself!
I know they're psyop threads but it never ceases to make me seethe

There is a reason this woman committed suicide when she found out what it's like to be a male

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>Hey, [foid], have a minute?
>What's up [anon]?
>I know we're just acquaintances, but I was thinking, we have similar interests, and you're really pretty, maybe we could go out sometime?
>oh... sorry [anon]. It's not you or anything though, I'm just focusing on other things right now.
>I see.
>it's really not that it's you, it's just, I...
>It's no problem.

>>84367505
These are just the memorable ones from warm approaches.

>>84367521
There's something so dehumanising about them. Like they're scared of offending you so they give you the stone wall treatment.

>>84367428
>>84367448
>>84367493
>>84367521
The biggest blackpill was realizing if women kind of like you, you don't need to do anything. They'll find a way to pair themselves with you.
I beat myself up for years feeling like I missed out. If I had tried harder to make a pass at girls I like I talked to, it would be different.
Then I tried that in my 30s.
>"I don't like you like that"
>"You're not really my type, but any girl would be happy to be with a guy like you, just keep looking"
>"I can't see you like that"
Talking to girls getting to know them doesn't work, escalating immediately doesn't work.
In the end, you either are the guy they like or you're not.

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>Oh, I remember you from [course]. Are you taking [course] out of any interest?
>huh?
>Sorry, hi, I'm [anon]. I sit across from you in [course].
>oh, hi
>I like [field], how about you?
>oh, yeah I like it, I also need the credit hours
>Right, if you want to study together sometime, want to just meet here?
>oh I don't really need to, my boyfriend helps me with the coursework
>Oh, I see...

>>84367553
Yeah what they don't mention is that being "not creepy" comes from a lifetime of experiencing being liked by women, if you aren't liked by women early on, you're going to be even more disliked by them later when your personality adjusts to this fact

>>84364798
No I don't, if a woman that shared my interest existed I wouldn't care how fat or ugly she looks, if she's fat we can just fix the diet and excercise together, it's not big deal and we can't psychologically find any woman unattractive unless she has severe down syndrome or was brutally disfigured, both things extremely unlikely, hell I wouldn't even care if she was a cripple.

>>84364489
honestly the physical aspects are a lot easier to change than the social skill apsects

>>84367553
Yeah, this realisation is both painful and relieving. It's nice that I was right to not ever bother, but I'm still bitter that I never got the chance.

>>84364656
>mfw mentalcel and it's getting worse as time passes
i'm going to die alone and unloved

>>84364489
People demonize single men then wonder why single men take up radical ideas. Really an issue with how society treats men in general. We expect men to pursue romance but haven't given them a new toolkit as gender roles are changing. Any person who babbles about "just ask women out! Touch le grass!" But also "women hate you because you're a chuddy incel!" Has effectively deflected the issue. I ultimately think the loneliness epidemic comes down to many factors but older people's honestly failed and archaic advice on courting women is part of it.

>>84364489
What really pisses me off about bluepillsplainers like this is that they act as if we haven't already tried everything they tell us to do. And when we say we've done everything right and nothing works, they just say some shit like "well you have to actually do it, not just pretend to do it" or "well you shouldn't expect it to just work because women don't owe you anything."

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>>84367582
I'm not creepy. I don't actively creep women out. They just don't initiate contact with me and I've been shot down every time I've initiated contact with them. That's simply the long and the short of it. You probably aren't creepy either. Practically no one is creepy. A spider is creepy. A homeless schizo muttering to himself, brandishing a hammer and shuddering is creepy. A snake is creepy. A normal guy is not creepy.

>>84367706
>>84367870
Single men demonize single men because it's like a mirror held up to them and it makes them uncomfortable.
Women are indifferent and apathetic on the subject because it doesn't concern them, and only become irritated by the subject when it encroaches into their periphery.

>>84367706
>but older people's honestly failed and archaic advice on courting women is part of it.
It's more archaic than failed honestly. Things that worked in the past don't anymore. I don't see my father for example getting a woman if he was born during this era since we both are boring overall (neither he, my brother, or I have social media and only my mother does).

It has long been claimed that humans naturally possess 'theory of mind', that this is a fundamental trait that separates us from nearly every other animal. This is a blatant lie. The average person is utterly incapable of imagining an existence that isn't functional identical to their own, with the only allowance being completely superficial things. The average person also completely lacks the ability to empathize or sympathize because of this. Being able to 'put yourself in someone elses shoes' requires you to actually think about their lived experiences that led to this point. It's said that autistic people are the ones that are incapable of thinking about these things, but you can interact with 90% of people and they will completely and utterly fail to grasp any of this shit if it requires any thought more complicated than if they would like a specific food or to be yelled at or something like that.

>>84367940
Having no theory of mind is like having no object permanence, internal monologue, mind's eye, etc

Unfortunate but they really can't be reasoned with at all

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>>84367870
It's just this meme over and over and over.

>>84364594
i think it's a result of the cognitive dissonance that would produce accepting that not everything good that happens to you is a product of your choices, some things you just get them by luck (The opposite is also true of course).

>>84368305
This. So much of life is completely arbitrary, but people want to believe everything good that happens to them is something they earned, and everything bad is something they had no control over. If you try to point out how they're wrong about either thing they completely short circuit. But also, if you really put the effort in to piece together the ways in which you WERE fucked over for reasons completely out of your control, they'll bend over backwards to come up with reasons it's actually a you problem, because the idea of actually putting that much thought into it never occurred to them since they avoid doing that like the plague to maintain the illusion.

I've been single for over 4 years and women assume there's something wrong with you if you've been single for more than a few months. It's not even worth trying anymore.

>>84368305
Nobody wants to admit that they don't deserve what they have.

>>84368128
That's one of the coaliest NAS tracejaks I've ever seen. Shoally material.

It's completely true, every stranger you have ever met got to you precisely with some opportunistic small talk

Incels are shit because they believe you can develop social skills online. You can't, if anything you're deliberately playing hardmode like a retard because online will always be inferior to irl for meeting people

>>84370383
>Every stranger you have ever met
I don't meet strangers though. Nobody comes near me in public.

Most people here are unfortunately too smart to date most women. Their counterparts are the girls being teacher's pets in high school and in AP classes. Normie advice tells them to try to fuck some retarded whore at the bar, but those women literally don't have the capacity to relate to most anons here.

>>84370864
Kind of true. This isn't some gathering of geniuses but if you are smart and have enough support to translate that into success, you probably do fine, but if you don't/are severely mentally ill and crash and burn, you're just fucked. Women have a lot of societal safety nets that keep them from ever crashing and burning like that, so if one is particularly smart, she's GOING to make it to either girlboss status or being a turbo autist in her preferred field. Being a burnout with above average intelligence as a guy just kind of fucks you. Too smart to relate or want to deal with the average persons retardation, too much of a mess for the women 'on your level' mentally to give a shit. It's always framed around access to sex but if you just wanted to stick your dick in a pussy there's a million ways to do that that don't require you to play the game. If it was actually that simple none of these discussions would happen, almost every "incel" just wants an actual relationship and there isn't an option for that because it needs the girl to give a fuck and have the same amount of depth.

>>84367553
Yep. Had this occur with a female coworker. Also helps to act like a dick.

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>>84364489
>never, ever open up to normies about your problems.
Learned this the slow way from my own mother, learned it the harder and faster way from my coworkers.

>>84365026
This is cope. I know drug addict retards who never go outside unless its to do drugs with friends who get more pussy than my wagie ass ever will.

>>84367964
I wish I didnt have an internal monologue. I talk to myself in my head all day and its mostly self flagellation and suicidal ideation.

>>84370864
I've had females friends growing up who always said I made them feel stupid and I wasn't in any way ever trying to make them feel stupid.
When I had one of my best friends say that to me and she would say it more than once, it made me think about how people who aren't that smart actually think about others around them.
It actually annoyed her that I was smart because it reminded her that she wasn't.

I mean usually they call that envy, but why would she be envious of that when she can have sex with anyone and always have relationships and I can't??

It's like I'm sorry, that's life, we can't all have everything and all be the same. You get to have sex, I get to make good decisions, that's just how it is I guess.

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The problem with incels is that the majority of them are not incels. I'd say about 99% of self-perceived "incels" are just people who are upset they haven't had sex yet. REAL incels are those select few unfortunate humans who were born with completely unfortunate looks and were raised in an environment that severely reduced and/or prevented their interpersonal communication/social development. REAL incels aren't just upset that they've never HAD sex, they've resigned themselves from the possibility of HAVING sex. Ever.

This is a very select few group of people. You either know it's you, or you're simply NOT an incel. Most "incels" can get sex if they at least pretend to be normal/use cosmetics to look better, real incels can't even pretend.

>>84371305
Yep, lot of self proclaimed incels are just retarded. Even though I find myself relating a bit too much to some of the rhetoric I would never call myself one, partly because I have actually had sex, but also because I am making the conscious decision to be a terminally online autist knowing this will bar me from 99% of women because in my eyes they have nothing to offer me besides unfulfilling hole. The term just means "involuntarily incapable of ever having sex", but in practice it's people getting upset they don't get to have sex with specific people.

>>84364489
He kind of has a point unironically.
If you were a low inhib normie then there's a good chance you wouldnt be a virgin, sex would just come to you. The reason I say kind of is because personality and the way you act in general is still genetic so it isn't hopefuel. not everyone can ascend by personalitymaxxing.

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>>84371274
>articulate my problem
>durr I wish I didn't have my problem
If you have an internal monologue then you have agency to change things

>>84371305
>>84371337
Yo, bluepill gurus. What should be said in these situations >>84367428 >>84367448 >>84367493 >>84367521 >>84367564 etc etc? Since you know we're just retarded and pretending to be rejected by women. After all, 99% of us just are just pretending to not be normal or something. Just tell what the move is in these situations, go on

>>84367553
this is mostly true. majority of women will make it blatantly obvious when they like you. one of my partners was extremely shy so took some work to get together but once the ice was broken she made it obvious too. if you have to put in work just to get her to talk to you dont even bother.

>>84364656
Literally have a disorder that makes social interactions more difficult even though I still have a desire for said interactions.

>those types can only blame themselves and nobody should take them seriously

Well fuck me i guess

>>84371426
>After all, 99% of us just are just pretending to not be normal or something.
Willful misinterpretation of everything I said. If you literally just want sex you could get even the shittiest of jobs, set aside a bit of money each paycheck, and then go pay for a prostitute. But you won't do that, right? Because most people don't want sex that's that transactional or simply wouldn't wanna fuck a street walker. They want a real relationship, sex is just the way they frame it. As for those situations not panning out - not enough context. Could be a ton of reasons, some your fault, some their fault, some no ones fault. The bottom line is, you aren't normal, but you want to get with women. Society has dictated that you have to play a game to get that. You don't want to play the game. You could even just 'cheat', by studying up on manipulation tactics to get some hole, but you probably wont do that either. The part of all of this that makes you retarded is that it isn't a case of "nothing I do works". It's that you aren't willing to do the shit that would work to get the things you claim to want, and throw a fit and act like it's completely out of your control instead of you looking at what it would actually take and deciding you don't want to do that. The game itself is retarded and shouldn't work the way it does but that isn't what you're bitching about. Bitch about the actual problem and admit you have some standards.

>>84371536
>Willful misinterpretation of everything I said.
Actually it's a willful interpretation of everything you said because how else could it be interpreted?

>It's that you aren't willing to do the shit that would work to get the things you claim to want,
Okay so what is the non retarded thing to be said and done in these situations >>84367428 (You) >>84367448 (You) >>84367493 (You) >>84367521 (You) >>84367564 (You) etc etc?

>instead of you looking at what it would actually take and deciding you don't want to do that.
We're doing that right now, what would it actually take for those situations to have been different? I'll decide that I want to do what makes those situations fixed.

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>>84371536
Hey, take your time buddy. Just say what I have to do. It should be pretty simple.

>>84364489
Why would I ever care about what they have to say I simply observe