>>84370994
buy only low calorie foods so that it takes more effort to gain. And of course drink more water.

>>84370994
The only way to really really lose weight to take a whole year to reset you metabolism. Cutting will get you to lose weight but your brain thinks you are starving and even years later will try to get the weight back.

1. Cut for 4 to 6 weeks while counting calories
2. 2 weeks eat an amount to maintain the way your body current is.

Do this while walking as much as possible and youll actually lose weight otherwise youll just bounce back

And of course drink more water

>>84370994
Stuff yourself full of fiber and water. Look into glucomannan. Or just go to the doctor and ask for a GLP-1 agonist like everyone else.

>>84370994
Ritalin, vynase and other ADHD meds have weight loss effects too.

>>84370994
Buy sibutramine or simply chew gum; it's wonderful for suppressing hunger.

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>>84370994
>Blue apatite

Get a blue apatite bracelet. It's a crystal that decreases your appetite. It works for me, it's so easy to eat <2k cals a day now

>>84370994
you can get GLP-1 drugs easily, but they stop working when you stop taking them. all weight loss drugs do. you'll have to use them forever if you can't control yourself.

alternatives are stimulants of all kinds, from amphetamine, to methylphenidate, and even regular meth if you want that.

and another alternative is to addict yourself severely to cannabinoids to the point where you no longer desire food unless you're high, and the addiction makes it difficult to even get high for real anymore. this has been documented to cause people to lose a lot of weight. cannabinoid addicts have a significantly lower average body mass than non-cannabinoid addicts with similar demographics, and iirc this has been the case in every study on the subject. i've experienced it myself.

then there's dinitrophenol, which is extremely dangerous, but extremely effective. dinitrophenol makes your mitochondria less efficient by weakening the proton gradient between membranes. it will raise your body temperature and force you to hyperventilate, but you will shed pounds no matter how much you eat. however, if you take just barely too much, your body won't be able to generate enough ATP and you will essentially suffocate without even feeling like you're suffocating because your blood oxygen content is fine. and there is no antidote so death is certain.

those are the main options. i might be able to think of more weight loss chemicals if i dwell on it

t. pharmacologist

>>84371148
DON'T do this unless you actually have true ADHD. Not "Tiktok and youtube shorts said" ADHD. Amphetamines are extremely addictive and WILL ruin your life by trapping you in a euphoria depression cycle that just gets deeper and deeper if you don't have it.
vidrel
https://youtu.be/HUngLgGRJpo

>>84371266
that's complete nonsense. you can't measure ADHD in the first place anyway, so there's no way to confirm or deny whether or not someone has it. therefore, you can't even accurately compare the two different populations you're claiming exist (except there aren't two different populations--"ADHD" was created in order to keep stimulants pseudolegal after the 1971 international ban on amphetamine and other stimulants--this is why ADHD didn't exist until it was mysteriously discovered after the drugs were banned).

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>>84371287
Yes you can, you measure dopamenergics in the prefrontal cortical region of the brain. People with ADHD don't have enough dopamine production there by default which leads to executive dysfunction. Amphetamines bring an ADHD person's dopamine up to a non-ADHD level WITHOUT downregulating their production further in the long term. (At least at standard therapeutic doses.)

People without ADHD DO downregulate dopamine production over time which leads to the aforementioned euphoria/depression abuse cycle.

"ADHD didn't exist" in the past because neurotypical people which are the majority of society project their abilities and behaviors onto those who don't. If little timmy isn't paying attention in class it's "because he is lazy, or doesn't care, or is stupid, or just doesn't get how important it is, etc." Not because his brain is physically not letting him.

That's like saying Germs aren't real because we didn't recognize them for almost all of human history.
They were kept legal because of the aforementioned necessity and quality of life improvements in ADHD individuals not because some rich junkies wanted to create some weird loophole to get high.

>Real life ADHD story time:
When I was in geometry class I was trying to pay attention with literally every fiber of my being. I was literally flexing all my muscles I was trying SO hard to pay attention. >picrel

I STILL started thinking about other crap within literally seconds and I finally came back to reality hearing "And that's the most important thing you will learn all semester!" I was so pissed off. But that's how it was every day. I wanted to learn, I wanted to focus, I had nothing better to do, I knew the consequences of not paying attention and not doing work, but my brain physically would NOT let me do it no matter how bad I wanted it or tried.

>>84371266
>Amphetamines are extremely addictive
Only if you're a junkie taking high doses. It's literally impossible to get addicted to the minuscule doses you get in prescriptions. But you are right that self-medicating with stims is retarded.

>>84371334
>you measure dopamenergics in the prefrontal cortical region of the brain.
describe the exact mechanism by which this measurement is performed. objectively. with physical diagnostics, not speculation by a guy with a certificate that says he has special knowledge.

the rest of that is all nonsense.

>When I was in geometry class I was trying to pay attention with literally every fiber of my being. I was literally flexing all my muscles I was trying SO hard to pay attention. >picrel

>I STILL started thinking about other crap within literally seconds and I finally came back to reality hearing "And that's the most important thing you will learn all semester!" I was so pissed off. But that's how it was every day. I wanted to learn, I wanted to focus, I had nothing better to do, I knew the consequences of not paying attention and not doing work, but my brain physically would NOT let me do it no matter how bad I wanted it or tried.

i know you can't possibly imagine this, because you want to believe you got screwed and deserve drugs not everyone gets to have because you love how they make you feel, but what you described is how most people feel all the time. the vast majority of people wish they had more energy and motivation to do both what they want and need to do.

i have met many people with "ADHD" who spout this garbage. i've also met many people who get the drugs prescribed for "ADHD" who recognize it's all nonsense.

>>84371383
No, that is not normal. I don't have ADHD and I can pay attention in class.
>the vast majority of people wish they had more energy and motivation
That's not the same as wandering off within seconds of the lecture starting. If you want to insist mental problems don't exist, go without sleep for two days and see how well you function. It's not hard to show this minuscule amount of empathy.

>>84371418
it absolutely is normal. i'm not insisting mental problems don't exist. i'm insisting that this specific mental problem does not exist. sure, some people probably have poorly tuned dopamine circuits compared to others, but there is no system whatsoever to measure or verify this.

and then you come at me with some dumb empathy reasoning, because i won't admit you're a victim of reality and entitled to performance enhancing euphoriants that improve everyone's performance and reward system activity.

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>>84371266
>euphoria depression cycle
>snort a line of picrel
>feel like a fucking god, best feeling ever
>start to come down
>snort another line
>repeat
>no comedown always, feel like a god
>after a few days awake start to trip balls and see things
>even more fun
problem?

>>84371453
i find the psychosis hallucinations incredibly scary when they come on and i've never gone past 54 hours awake. it tends to start around 40-44 hours awake for me.

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>>84371383
https://neurosity.co/guides/adhd-brain-eeg-imaging
^Many ways to measure the neurological structural differences

"i know you can't possibly imagine this but" lol
>because you want to believe you got screwed
I don't believe that and never did, I actually believe the opposite. Not being on amphetamines until later in life despite the fact I would have been miles better academically wouldn't have been worth the trade off in my social life because they make me less funny/and animated and much more serious and focused.

>deserve drugs not everyone gets to have because you love how they make you feel
I don't love how they make me feel... Because I actually have ADHD... I get zero postive feelings from taking them. I am actually months behind on picking them up partly because I don't take them every day and still have a backlog of them.

>i have met many people with "ADHD" who spout this garbage.
>i've also met many people who get the drugs prescribed for "ADHD" who recognize it's all nonsense.
Have you ever considered that maybe you are actually right half the time? The ADHD people may be speaking the truth that you believe to be garbage. And the people who get misdiagnosed eventually admit it's nonsense because thats what it becomes for them?

I've met people who have told me " I have ADHD" and when I ask ok why? and they give me 30 tiktok reasons e.g. "I bump into things sometimes" "I forget where my keys or phone is sometimes" "I walk into another room and forget what I was gonna do" (Which are all 100% normal things for ADHD AND NON-ADHD people!) and I tell them they don't have it.
This is how it goes.
>They ignore me and get on the stims
>They claim to be doing better (and very likely ARE quantifiably doing better in terms of productivity in the short term despite not having ADHD.)
>Usually a few months to about a year passes and then they are worse off because they are downregulating their normal dopamine production.

>>84371461
>54 hours
man those are rookie numbers. Ive topped out around 96 hours (four days) before my body just forcibly shuts down for a while. 3 days awake in a row was pretty standard for me when I was tweaking. My hallucinations were always super duper mild and not scary at all though, I think the fact I smoked a TON of weed throughout it all kept me more chilled out than most stimheads are. havent done it in years though, at some point I felt my heart physically in pain while I was speeding like i was about to have a heart attack and that scared me straight. cant fuck around with your heart like that, talk about scary.

>>84371482
>>84371383
Part 2
This is also a good analog to telling someone with clinical depression that they are just faking it.

People with environmental depression will still be depressed because their environment is so horrible that to them life is default not worth living.
If you put these people on anti-depressants it doesn't help them, because if you have no friends and nothing good is happening in your life and you are always doom scrolling, and your about to become homeless, and you are chronically ill, etc etc. It's hard to overcome that. Just because the meds don't work on that subset of people doesn't mean depression is fake.

On the other hand If everything else in your life is relatively stable, and your environment is nice, but there is just not enough seratonin production. The meds will "fix" or cover for the neurochemistry dysregulation.

If you really think that everyone is physically incapable of paying attention to something they are trying to pay attention to for more than literally 10 seconds. YOU might actually have ADHD lmao! Because I assure you that's not normal like you think it is. Hell I thought what was happening to me was normal before I took amps one day and could actually sit through a full lecture and pay attention.

When I finally realized how other people could pay attention in class vs. me it was an eye opening moment.

>>84371445
>it absolutely is normal.
Normal people can force themselves to focus for the first five minutes of a lecture. How are you rejecting this fact?

>i'm insisting that this specific mental problem does not exist.
You're insisting severe difficulty in being able to concentrate does not exist. That's obviously wrong.

>there is no system whatsoever to measure or verify this.
You'd think not being able to focus even under the threat of failing a course would be a good indicator.

>and then you come at me with some dumb empathy reasoning
Because if you were able to empathize, you wouldn't be having this argument to begin with.

>because i won't admit you're a victim of reality and entitled to performance enhancing euphoriants that improve everyone's performance and reward system activity.
Assuming you mean people with ADHD and not me, since I clearly said I don't have ADHD. I believe there are methods to improve one's attention span that don't involve medication, but it's like prescribing yoga as pain relief. Also, even if I did have access to Adderall, I would not take it, because again, I do not have problems with attention span. The side effects would not be worth it to me.

For what it's worth, I had a friend who stopped her medication (under the supervision of her psychiatrist) and her mother treated her like as if she was some sort of hyperactive toddler when I didn't notice any changes in behavior. There is a stereotype that further stacks the deck against people with ADHD. She was much better than I was at chemistry, could get similar test scores in geometry with the half the studying I had to do, but for some reason, she just couldn't write essays. I don't think her gifts should be wasted just because she can't blather on in a busywork writing assignment.

>>84371482
>>84371524
>>84371564
so, have you had your brain put through an fMRI to verify that you actually have "ADHD"? how many people who are being prescribed stimulants are tested this way? even 1%?

and just look how much you're fucking typing dude. you're just jacked up on stimulants acting like anyone else who's jacked up on stimulants does. since i'm not stimmed up on amphetamines like you, i do not have the motivation to address every little component of an argument you have deep emotional investment in.

everyone should have access to these drugs. the only reason they don't is all political. this disease was magically discovered after the drugs were banned. that's all i need to know about what's going on.

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They work great. I went from 6'4 and 270 to 210 in a year. But I also ate better and worked out as well, but it made a huge difference.

>>84371601
There are multiple people replying to you, not all of this is me.

Everyone should not have access to these drugs. Go on erowid and read reports of people who have used amphetamines without ADHD. It can and does ruin people's lives and hearts.

>>84371643
More clearly, >"Only people with ADHD should have access to these drugs."