>women shouldn't be forced to do anything
>men should be forced to finance my chronic baby existence forever because that's literally equality or something
Hmmm nah no thanks.

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>>84373355
you ever heard of that Zizek quote?
pic related

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>>84373355
>Unironically, how do you argue against this?
Men's strike.

>>84373365
That's not really the point, the point is that the realities of the modern world turned men into an unwanted dinosaur.

Women are employed, cared for, provided for and men seek their company because they are desired on account of just being female while men's existence was always built strictly on the utility they can provide.

Society changed and women found a way to bypass the need for male presence while also having all the fruits of male labor.

Basically men are shit out of luck because nobody loves them and nobody cares what happens to them.

>>84373382
youre not wrong but the news will instantly label this with the most retard mental gymnastics
>LOCAL CITY FLOODED WITH FEAR AND PARANOIA AS THOUSANDS OF VIOLENT FERAL MENTALLY UNWELL MEN DEMAND SURPRESSIVE VIEWS BE BRAINWASHED INTO THE MASSES HOW DARE THEY ASK BASIC THINGS LIKE DOUBLE STANDARDS WOMEN OPENLY ADMIT TO ABUSING TO BE TONED DOWN

so why does your nation keep importing a million brown men a year

>>84373506
cheaper males with fewer needs for manual labor

>>84373355
The argument is rather simple. Ironically enough, men can only become 'useless' or be mostly replaced by women in a society established my men. If society collapsed and mother nature's rule was re-established, men would regain their place at the top of society simply due to being physically stronger and more capable. Similarly, if a truly oppressive matriarchal society were established, it would be practically impossible for women to hold on to power for any extended period of time for this same reason. One man alone is stronger than oftentimes two to three women combined, has fighting instincts, and is less likely to cower when placed in a combat situation.

>>84373553
your write like a redditor and causation does not equal correlation your ragebaiting retard

>>84373553
But then you also agree that men are only valued to the extent of their utility and if there's a more economic alternative then society will go with that because we're just interchangeable units.

>>84373605
is this the so called 4channel epic trolling?

>>84373605
>causation does not equal correlation
you call someone a redditor and then say a redditors favorite line. ironic.

>>84373512
but men are not needed at all and useless, so why improt so many of them? surely immigrants should be women only

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They're not needed anymore, but they're struggling to adapt to being wanted. Wait, so thats a good thing. Nice bro.

About time we had a positive thread round ere.

>>84373625
i have to speak this nigger's language so they understand

>>84373355
>"Men aren't needed anymore"
>hot new draft law for men aged 18-25 enacted
I'm tired...

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>>84373355
I've come to call this Animaia, pronounced Anna-Maya, combining anima - the concept of the inner feminine, and the greek suffix ia - describing something being in an unnatural state. It's essentially a transmissible mental illness that at its core is the assertion that men are useless and categorically evil while women are the default state of human experience and therefore morally superior. It breaks people's willingness to interact with and pursue the opposite sex. The thing is none of the assumption is true. Men aren't evil or useless, women and femininity aren't the default state of being a human and it certainly doesn't make an individual morally or physically or mentally superior to anybody. They're facts that make us different. Simple as.

>>84373634
You misunderstand. Men are needed for utility, they are not needed as a direct provider anymore because women have alternative ways of securing resources because of how modern society works.

Aside from reproduction, there's no such need for women but instead they are desired which is nearly unconditional. Women are desired whether they reproduce or not, women hire each other because they prefer the company of women, men hire women because they prefer the company of women, everyone is nice to women because they just like women.

That's what I'm trying to say.

>>84373653
I think they will do that in a different way, they will staff every white collar position with women, they will staff most blue collar positions with immigrants and native men will have a choice between fent city or the military.

>>84373605
The phrase you're looking for is "correlation does not equal causation" if something causes something else then they are inherently correlated, retard
>>84373616
I am arguing outside of the bounds of modern economics, though I do agree with the fact that yes modern society will rush to replace men if there is a more economical alternative that provides a similar amount of utility. This is partially why AI is such a hyped thing right now. That being said, what I am arguing is that so long as the human race exists, men will exist, and so long as men exist they will exist as the physically stronger sex. As much as those of us in modern society like to consider ourselves removed from nature and the laws that govern it, we are not. Deep down, we are the same people from thousands of years ago that would rape, pillage, and murder neighboring tribes without remorse. Society and technology have not progressed to the point where any amount of money or economic utility will save someone from being punched in the face or bashed in the back of the head with a brick. Physical strength and frankly violence are still the great equalizers. Everyone, regardless of race, religion, sex, or economic status is susceptible to death, and men are more capable of killing than women will ever be.

>>84373672
NTA but I understand, women are a parasite class

>>84373355
What's stopping men from enslaving all women and killing any who resists?

>>84373760
they like women and don't want to do that

>>84373355
This is men's fault. Plain and simple. They love to punch down on their own group if one insider is not up to their standards (working 60h a week without complaining, not feeling pain or emotions).
It created a gender of romanceless and autists that cannot imagine their being to have any value more than being a provider (HR's word for a slave BTW).
Men are a dying race and it's their fault. Maybe they should stop raping each others in the army or medicine school if they want to be taken seriously.

>>84373404
Women want men to support the infrastructure. Women aren't garbage men, road workers, or electric linemen. Women have failed to take those positions despite the opportunity. Hopefully all men die tomorrow of heart attacks so women can starve to death in a hellscape of their own making.

>>84373772
Men are what they needed to be and women don't dislike men because of they are "romanceless" women are just repulsed by men on a biological level.

>>84373355
You dont. Women are illogical and dont care that this type of behavior in mass is going to lead to civilization collapse and incel rape gangs. They only care about benefiting from it in here and now. It is either that or technology replaces womens monopoly on sex and reproduction. There is no future in which this type of setup continues in perpetuity because you are alienating the force that builds, protects, and maintains your society, young men, from any incentive to do those things.

>>84373355
i dont need to, single women are coping about being the selectors when they are being selected out.

>>84373760
Other blue pilled men that outnumber the ones who think like that.

single women keep making posts and articles and memes about rejecting men or whatever, but that's cope. those women will stay single and keep making posts about how its their choice and blame the men, kek

>>84373355
Meh. Once sex robots arrive most men will be happy enough. Only attractive women will be seen as human to the top men though, uggofoids will end up killing themselves due to lack of attention/.

>>84373785
>>84373772
men made up the concept of romance by the way, before it was brought into existence by male thoughts written onto sheets of paper it wasn't even a concept

>>84373355
>Unironically, how do you argue against this? Women can't be forced to like men just so they don't hurt men's feelings.
Yes they can. That's how civil rights movement stuff works. Women care about trans people because we told them too. We could tell them whoever we want for them to care about, and they will in order to fit in with other women and not be ostracised.

>>84373404
>Basically men are shit out of luck because nobody loves them and nobody cares what happens to them.
Hence why women should be forced to care about men, much in the same way they're forced to care about blacks and gays. It's not a fair system. Feminism broke what parts of the patriarchy harm women and left men unfinished.

I have women in my English class talking about how the gender pay gap(ver exagerated when you look at who's applying and what qualifications they have) is unfair and how man are being favored. Meanwhile, women apply to fewer jobs than men and still get accepted for jobs more often, despite having the same qualifications. As usual it's just an issue of women only of noticing Chad Epstien Thundercock. But, if women were fooled into believing blacks and gays and women were victims, then they're capable of seeing men that way too if the acadamia cults ever decide to do so. But they never will. They're happy to use the same rehitorical points against men and whites and asians(hence why Asian wifes are the only suitable ones) and young people as the right wing uses against the left.

TLDR women are not convinced to hate men with reason. They can be convinced to feel differently about men without reason. The narrative just needs to change.

>>84373959
>Hence why women should be forced to care about men
How do you teach women to care about men if they just don't care about men?

>>84373959
>Women care about trans people because we told them too
women hated trannies by the way, they just complied with their insanity because violent leftists held them at gunpoint

>>84373727
didnt ask and im not putting that much effort into responding to a redditor that i verify the saying is correct they know what i meant get raped

>>84373355
>Unironically, how do you argue against this? Women can't be forced to like men just so they don't hurt men's feelings.
We can't. That's why male inceldom is booming. Which will fuck up society in multiple ways.
If they won't fuck me, fine. I'll be content to rot at home.

>>84373355
Women talked for decades about equality, but now are deciding they don't actually want equality, they just want a hyper competitive world where they are on top and most men are on the bottom. Women hate the idea of dating equality even though they call for equality in everything else. It is hypocritical.

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>WIFI
>AC Current
>Cars
>Banking system
>Functioning Computers
>Well surfaced roads

These things just "happen" as far as women are concerned.
They're so beyond caring about other people they really believe the world men built doesn't need men.

If men died tomorrow the grid, economy & internet would disappear shortly after.
If women disappeared tomorrow there'd be fewer HR coordinators.

>>84374198
you still don't understand the argument, women need utilities, but they don't need provider males. Utilities are provided by modern society, men are cut out of the picture and they'll do anything to replace them be it automation or immigration.

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>>84373355
Read the article, (pic related) and honestly it's much more thoughtful than most of these articles.

>>84373365
No one forces you to spend on onlyfans whores you tard. If you put a benis in bagima and it results in a kid then yeah. You knew this could happen and still created this unfortunate soul so k
now you have to bear responsibility as well (the woman already does by directly raising the spawn).

>>84374362
>Utilities are provided by modern society
Utilitie are provided by men, society steals their labor

>>84373727
Human race can actually exist without men as a social entity. They can just make everyone into castrated troons, only allowing masculinity in the form of pre castration frozen sperm (milked from a barely pubescent).
Same can be technically be said about women, and it is likely that women will also be to an extent androgynized, but the key difference is that women and feminity are just wanted, craved by society and most individuals, while masculinity and men are just tolerated for utility. Once utility can be covered(which it can, with robots and shit) , masculinity will have a push to ceaze existing.

Males are only good for giving male attention

>>84373909
The romance you are talking about is the romance of drama and adventure, not love shit modern society means under it.

>>84373959
Women getting payed less and being hired more easily are both continuation of same behavior, which is that women agree on more humble working conditions more easily. Men demand more money, so they get more money but also less people want to deal with hiring them.

>>84374371
Men are glad to be chosen to help by design, all the humiliation rituals are designed to make us clingy desperate simps who will obey propaganda.

It is a sign of decline in society, in the past men would do good deeds because it was the right thing to do, but when a state and society loses legitimacy, they resort to these intimidation tactics.

It is kind of like the nerd in high school thinking if he pretends to like a certain kind of music or does people favors he will have an opportunity to make friends, but the preppy kids know he is just doing it to fit in and they exploit this, after he has done something for them they just leave and if he says "hey wait up" they say "ok?" and shun him. They were disgusted by him to begin with, no matter how he behaves or what he does they will view it as a facade and they will still be disgusted by him. He will never fit in, and how can he when he is never given an opportunity to do so?

Basically society wants more men in this sorry state and to keep them there. The man who does not simp, who does not help women, who does good deeds perhaps but not for n*rmies", this is the man you should fear.

>>84373909
>men made up romance
>mostly women consume media revolving around romance

>>84373969
100 years ago women didn't care about niggers or criminals at all, now they weep and riot and act like the world is ending if a fent addict career criminal ODs in police custody. Stop acting like women actually form their own beliefs. They are pack animals who do whatever the loudest voice of authority tells them to do because they want to fit in with the rest of the herd. Right now that (((voice))) is telling them all sorts of subversive shit.

>>84374362
>I need milk but I don't need the cows. I will make cockroaches milk it is about the same but I don't have to deal with the cows.
This is how women brains work. Enjoy your cockroaches juice.

>>84374503
what exactly are you trying to say? Are you denying that men created romance?

>>84374362
>Utilities are provided by modern society
I bet you're the same kind of person who thinks food is provided by the grocery store. Female-dominated careers have very little to do with the necessary supply chain to bring utilities and groceries to consumers. If all women stopped working for a month, you would still have functional utilities and stocked shelves at the grocery store. If all men stopped working for a month, you would be in the IRL version of Mad Max after a couple weeks.

>>84374510
Women are extremely racist and they no longer pretend otherwise now that the likes of antifa can't destroy their lives for saying jeets are a menace or niggers are violent.

You can try to hold them hostage the same way, but they'll just look for a way out. You can't ever teach them to actually love men, that's absurd to even think about. People only love what they love.

>>84374558
>I bet you're the same kind of person who thinks food is provided by the grocery store.
No, I'm not.

I'm saying that the system provides the males to do the labor and it's set up in a way so that women no longer have to share a home with men to extract it from them.

reminder that it's usually subeditors who write the headlines.
i'm not going to read this article, but posts like >>84373672 are correct.
i know we all want some cutesy animu style romance, but we're the outliers. men throughout history were *necessary*, not *desired* the same way as women (generally) are. there are rarely women fighting wars or painting pictures of beautiful men, such is their longing. women just need someone to impregnate and protect them.
OP's troll suggestion is actually the compassionate thing to do Tbh. show men a taste of the 100 % entirely optional affection that women have always enjoyed. as boys/men, we innately understand that we are disposable and replaceable

>>84373404
Women are "employed, cared for, and provided for" by men.
For most of human history women were not granted the privileges they enjoy today. They will return to previous levels of desire for men when they are forced to rely upon them once more, not unlike a dog loving you for feeding it.

>>84373959
They see blacks and gays as an other, not on the male female spectrum. Whereas they are women, for them to see men as victims would be to remove themselves as a victim status.
You have about as much chance of that as you have jews not crying about victimhood.

>>84374626
>Women are "employed, cared for, and provided for" by men.
without men directly being involved in their lives
>For most of human history
doesn't apply any longer

>>84373355
We are needed. Just not for sex. We need to do blue collar labor, soldiering, policing, first respondance, and wageslavery. Beyond that we don't matter.

But they're still going to be made that chad won't marry them. And even if he wanted to, there's just not enough of him to go around.

First they complain chad isn't a faggot. So they turn us into faggots. Then they complain we're not chad. Then some of us start talking about how to become more chadly to make them like us better. Then they complain we're trying to not be the faggots they told us to be.

>>84373355
What is there to argue against? I am already aware of this fact. Women in the past were economically reliant on men, today they are not, in fact I'm pretty sure women are actually making more and going to college more than men, this has been disastrous for male SMV. But the BP is not an ideology, it is a way of viewing the world. It does not prescribe that women be enslaved in order to protect male interests, it simply suggests that women, in their free state, will not desire and pursue men as much as the other way around, they will not have the same attraction to men as the other way around.

>>84374671
Men were directly involved in their lives though. Women didn't work or earn money, how did they have access to a shelter? Husband or father. Even brother is downstream of father.

>This isn't modern society though
It isn't until it is. A single interruption and things revert to primal levels, this is known subconsciously.

>>84373355
>Men aren't needed anymore, and they're struggling to adapt to being wanted
Headline makes no sense. Men aren't wanted. Why are men struggling to adapt to "being wanted" if they're not wanted? It should say
>Men aren't needed anymore, and they're struggling to adapt to being unwanted

>>84374718
Definitely a weird title, but the implication as I took it was that the nature of male value has changed. Not that men *are* wanted but now they HAVE to be wanted rather then needed. So instead of making yourself needed by say getting a good job, you now must make yourself wanted by maxxing your looks, not being autistic as fuck, jestering, whatever. I mean she wouldn't put it in those terms but that's what it is.

>>84373772

>How do you teach women to care about men if they just don't care about men?

Women don't care about anything except status. You make a trend of trendy bossgirls caring about men, women will suddenly act like they just randomly started caring about men.

You can tell them anything you want. As long as you can pass it off as a trend, they'll get on the bandwagon because that's all that they are.

>>84374189
>Women talked for decades about equality, but now are deciding they don't actually want equality, they just want a hyper competitive world where they are on top and most men are on the bottom. Women hate the idea of dating equality even though they call for equality in everything else. It is hypocritical.

No, they don't want this at all. They do believe they want equality. They just don't know what that actually means.

>>84374703
Women still clearly *need* men though in the sense that those universities they are all going to were founded and built by men, it's men who keep the electricity network maintained and fresh water flowing, it's men who design and build the cars and domestic appliances that allow women to be "independent". And if they ever get in trouble the first thing they are going to do is a call a dial-a-man service, whether that's a plumber, policeman or fireman to come help them.

But yes I agree, women now live cushy lives and don't need a *specific* man to be romantically involved with them anymore. But it's because men have done too good of a job in building a society where everyone gets the benefits of men.

>>84374362
>automation or immigration

Automation can only go so far, for now, and immigrants are men who will presumably have children, some of which shall be native born men.

For automation to do the work of men, it would need to be so advanced that it is basically also men.

The problem reasserts itself no matter what.

If men all died out and women somehow found out a way to still reproduce, a portion of women would just step into the role of men and a bunch of lipstick lesbians would be complaining about getting oppressed by butch bulldikes.

Foidsisters....the incels kinda have a point

>>84374775
I agree, and yes by women not being reliant on men I was talking about individual ones who they might have to enter a relationship with, not that they would do well without men as whole.

>>84373355
>>84373404
>realities of the modern world
it's an alliance between old fucks and young cunts. the old fucks use young cunts to fill gender quotas and keep out real competition. absolutely nothing about this is reality-if you get rid of old fucks or gender quotas foids don't get a look-in. it's entirely because of two perverse systems combining to create dumb unintended results

>>84373760
"men" don't exist as a unified group and never have. one group of men rising up and ruling over other men and foids is inevitable and one of the most common events in human history

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>>84373355
>Unironically, how do you argue against this?
men are absolutely needed. despite the tech advances it is primarily men, still, who factually make the world of homo sapiens function and go around. picrel, sort of.
>Women can't be forced to like men just so they don't hurt men's feelings.
they don't have to be. it's a retarded psyop, probably by "liberals"" like that part, that are extreme degenerates of the /lgbt/ movement.
Women love men and need companionship more than men do. They desire to have a partner.

>>84373355
>how do you argue against this?

You don't. You let a bitter crone seethe on the internet without an audience.

You go down to bars, entertainment venues, hobby places and talk to women (some of whom are single and there for the same reason you are), and then you have sex with them, and if you like them, date them.

No matter what she writes, even if she wrote 'men are the best', you wont have a gf by discussing articles on the internet.

There's simply no path from A to B. It's the most important thing in life in general to recognize what is a distraction and do not engage with it if you want to go places, no matter if those distractions support or oppose your worldview.

>>84374916
Dude when the robowaifus and augmented reality porn become a thing women are so fucked.

>>84374916
>Women love men and need companionship more than men do.
Abysmal dogshit take obliterated by hypergamy. Women don't want partners, they want someone who can boost their status, if they can't have that then they're absolutely fine on their own

>>84373969
>How do you teach women to care about men if they just don't care about men?
Idk, how did people teach women to care about blacks?
>>84373979
>women hated trannies by the way, they just complied with their insanity because violent leftists held them at gunpoint
Pretty much. So just hold women "at gunpoint" again and problem solved.
>>84374479
>Women getting payed less and being hired more easily are both continuation of same behavior, which is that women agree on more humble working conditions more easily. Men demand more money, so they get more money but also less people want to deal with hiring them.
Then both the pay gap and the hiring gap should be rejected, but the pay gap remains what women use to justify their belief that society favors men. That said, idk of what you're saying is true. People have the same job and the same qualifications but either aren't hired or don't recieve as much pay, presumably due to their sex.
>>84374668
>They see blacks and gays as an other, not on the male female spectrum. Whereas they are women, for them to see men as victims would be to remove themselves as a victim status.
Yes, but women are also especially compelled by victim narratives. It doesn't matter if it would mean women aren't the sole victims of society anymore. If the narrative changed, suddenly women would want to protect men. They have a maternal instinct. That's what drives them as a whole, rather than self-interest. That said, it's this same instinct that makes it hard for that narrative of victimhood to change.
>You have about as much chance of that as you have jews not crying about victimhood.
It would be easier if we Jews didn't have to deal with you inferior cultures always acting so black, desu. We have nothing to complain about except you guys, who blame everything wrong in the world on Jews. Explain to me how the Jews are to anti-semites aren't just the same thing as cis white men are to leftists.

>>84374980
I love my AI as much as the next man, but I still love females too. I'm no simp, I don't put them on a
>pedalstool
but I still wanna fuck them. I can suppress, but no amount of intelligence, self-control, rationalization can get rid of the biological programming. I want to put my penis into females.
>>84374993
as pointed out in this thread females just like males aren't a unified group. There are plenty of conversative females. I know it doesn't seem like that in high school and college, because every young person is a revolutionary, but talk to 40 year old milfs, you'll learn a lot about their conversatism. Very religious females, despite me not being a fan of religion at all, are very conversative too.
You can't knock the biological wiring of females, they're programmed to look for some level of success and big partners, because they need a man, who they whink, will be capable of protecting them and the children.

TL;DR: It doesn't make females evil. Evil people are evil. There are some amazing females in this world.

>>84375005
>So just hold women "at gunpoint" again and problem solved.
it won't last for more than a few years just like any other fad

>>84375005
Sorry. Typos.
*explain to me how how the jews are to the anti-semites isn't the same thing as how the leftists are to cis white men?

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>>84373355
You don't. You look for women outside of whatever shitty blue city you live in.