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Turns out the Flynn effect was always a load of horse shit 02/09/26(Mon)19:30:13 No.16909042
Turns out the Flynn effect was always a load of horse shit 02/09/26(Mon)19:30:13 No.16909042
Turns out the Flynn effect was always a load of horse shit Anonymous 02/09/26(Mon)19:30:13 No.16909042 [Reply]▶
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Flynn was such a coping dumbass kek; it’s not like we didn’t have that one 2013 study pointing to us losing roughly 10-15 IQ points since the Victorian period
It was always irrational to assume we’ve gotten a lot smarter just because we can slightly boost education levels somewhat
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The Flynn effect is horse shit.
Modern day people:
— ‘College students once stood out from the pack on IQ tests. Today, they're about average. A recent meta-analysis found that undergraduates' IQs have steadily fallen from roughly 119 in 1939 to a mean of 102 in 2022, just slightly above the population average of 100.’
Victorians as they were:
— ‘The Victorian era was marked by an explosion of innovation and genius, per capita rates of which appear to have declined subsequently. The presence of dysgenic fertility for IQ amongst Western nations, starting in the 19th century, suggests that these trends might be related to declining IQ. This is because high-IQ people are more productive and more creative. We tested the hypothesis that the Victorians were cleverer than modern populations, using high-quality instruments, namely measures of simple visual reaction time in a meta-analytic study. Simple reaction time measures correlate substantially with measures of general intelligence (g) and are considered elementary measures of cognition. In this study we used the data on the secular slowing of simple reaction time described in a meta-analysis of 14 age-matched studies from Western countries conducted between 1889 and 2004 to estimate the decline in g that may have resulted from the presence of dysgenic fertility. Using psychometric meta-analysis we computed the true correlation between simple reaction time and g, yielding a decline of − 1.16 IQ points per decade or − 13.35 IQ points since Victorian times. These findings strongly indicate that with respect to g the Victorians were substantially cleverer than modern Western populations.’
1. White people suck at breeding.
2. Why do we keep pretending that we aren’t getting dumber? The youth of today are aberrant creatures and can barely be considered human.
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>>16909042
is this article talking about zoomers or alphas? I need to know to know if I should be mad or not.
Also, younger people aren't dumber, the issue is in the IQ tests, they need to be reformed to capture 21st century intelligence
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>>16909058
Um. No. It’s 100% the kids fault for not educating themselves properly. They look at redundant information bases. They’re not wise. They think they know better than everyone. This is why there won’t be another “lone genius” like Einstein. The mere idea is threatening.
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>>16909043
>Some victorian guys wrote that their reaction speed was X and that's higher than today's average and since reaction speed is correlated with other cognitive abilities this means people back then had a higher iq
We should put economists and psychologists in concentration camps and force them to derive every statistic from probability axioms until these subhumans stop doing shit like this
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>>16909042
let me guess: the COVID generation, the one that had to learn through computers while being distracted by their phones (tiktok, instagram, games, ...), most of which didn't get a proper education (and some still don't) and cheated their way through school, is more retarded than previous generations.
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>>16909042
between a generation raised with internet access and a generation raised with AI access, each generation loses more of the ability to think and reason.
They literally have to go back to paper homework and exams and just prohibit all electronics from the classroom. But rtarded teachers union would never allow it.
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>>16909042
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOqGXhn7YBA
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>>16909941
not with rapeape running things
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>>16910023
what is pic rel if not basic fucking math and pattern recognition?
from https://pdfhost.io/v/VvlBnkMt7_Mensa_Practice_Test_US (found in https://old.reddit.com/r/mensa/comm ents/juwfeg/leak_mensa_practice_tes t/)
>>16910026
>good chance he's a retard IRL.
sure, but that doesn't mean they will be retarded forever, or that they are ACTUALLY retarded.
riddle me this, batman: what was first, the chicken or the egg?
people might be bad at math and pattern recognition because of genetics, but ALSO because of many other issues, circumstances, etc. even because of simple ignorance.
also, people can develop logical thinking, pattern recognition and other intellectual skills in life outside school, you know?
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>>16909043
>slightly boost education levels
by moving the definition of "education" to something a lot less rigorous or demanding, mind you
applies to grad shit obviously but im the states you basically can't even flunk someone in school because of the no child left behind policy
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>>16909042
Wait until AI generation grows old enough to do those test. They will be most retarded generation in recorded history and (((they))) are already talking about repurposing schools to raise good people, since everything else can be done by AI. It's a perfect storm.
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It wasn't supposed to be a documentary.
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>>16911668
>Public education is just daycare.
funny you say that. my ex was a private school teacher. the shit she saw there was worse in comparison to my public school. imagine paying to "educate" your children with other entitled (on top of mentally unstable) little pieces of shit lmao
you are right in a sense, though: private ed gives you a good start simply because of "networking"
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>>16909042
answer this instead you psychometric midwit
>>16911788
Your whole field is a laughable fraud and all yall belong in prison for scientific misconduct
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>>16912561
Anon, You misuderstand my meaning.
The IQ test was specifically designed to remove any IQ difference between men and women.
It was designed to be gender neutral so they disposed of the tests that benefited men or women but mostly those that benefited men
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>studies show the effect is across racial lines
>people blame race anyway
hahaha you're going to get into the "it's everyone for themselves" scenario where basic sanity becomes more precious than money. This is basically already the case from my point of view.
>want to binge watch television for five hours tonight?
>let's take psychoactive medication every day several times a day with little to no actual knowledge of what it is or what it does!
>I went into $160k for a business degree and I work at Target. My backup plan was social justice
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Let's say hypothetical I am very wealthy and will live sixty more years. What will 2086 look like? What has sixty years of 5g handheld supercomputer internet devices done to the humans? Well I basically expect the smartphones to take over. You'll look at humans but they'll be like androids or operating systems on the phone wearing a human skin-suit, like everything they do is expectedly predicate on algorithms whether it's through curated services' machine drift, or through direct advertising. Either way it's mentally parasitic and malicious.
>hey uhh why are you dress in cheap slutty clothing from fucking Shein?
>oh I see you're retarded and poor
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But me personally I'm ready for nonsense insanity retarded evil planet. This is NWO? This is our new management?
>hey Trumpo what's 30% of the economy directed towards? cars? No it's AI
>you see we'll get the AI datacenters to convert drinking water and electricity into fucking brainrot
>all we have to do is hook people on to shitty AI tools and then we can charge them subscriptions out the ass when they forget how to do simple things themselves
>they're legal citizens but are basically zombies
>oh hey the only use for AI that's seen anywhere near mass adoption is cheating at school and porn
>I'm glad college students are so rich nowadays for subscription cheating services
>but at least the data centers are super fucking noisy so they just crash the property values of people around them into shit crater
I think history was always fucked up in some way or another but at least I truly see it now
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> https://stevenschwartz.substack.com/p/getting-dumber-the-reverse-flynn
> Getting dumber: the reverse Flynn effect and the politics of denial
> For decades, humanity appeared to be getting smarter. Then, inconveniently, it wasn’t. IQs are now sliding backwards, and instead of asking why, we’ve decided to pretend intelligence doesn't matter.
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>>16915791
Everyone who ever supported the Flynn effect. It was a no brainer that we’ve been getting dumber. An increasing access to knowledge doesn’t guarantee people won’t breed poorly or develop pride to the point where they can no longer listen.
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>>16909042
>my Factor-Analysis fraud masquerading as Science asserts that intelligence is hereditary and thus needs thousands of years to undergo significant change in the population by means of natural selection
>my measured "intelligence" in large populations keeps changing within short timespans like 10-20 years refuting my claim that what I measure could be hereditary
I dont think Flynn is the one with pie on his face, breh
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>>16915811
FA fraudsters really have no sense of shame. IQ rises or IQ shrinks in populations are both equally big problems for the proposition that IQ tests measure innate qualities. You fagets trying to pass this off as a win when it literally destroys all your claims is lulzy to say the least
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Quality of life in childhood is the best predictor of IQ, and IQ itself is just one metric. This indicates that the developed world has been treating people worse, which is obvious to anyone who has eyes.
People on here will bitch and moan about whites and muh IQ but truth is they aren't particularly good at the things IQ is supposed to make you good at either.
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>>16909248
this
>>16909252
education didn't help you
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>>16918437
I believe there were research studies which have shown that education correlates with IQ positively.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6088505/
But even if this study is incorrect or makes false conclusions, we need to be certain if IQ is entirely genetic, enviromental, or both. Basically we need to figure out whether lowering IQ rates are due to genetics, poor education (either because the system is bad, or because the younger generation does not want to study; I mean half of our future doctors will pass med school with ChatGPT.) It's not an easy thing to solve so we can't argue now whether it's caused by X, Y or Z, or something else entirely..
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>>16909042
The Flynn effect was just caused by us both banning leaded gas in cars and the Haber-Bosch process creating a food surplus that led to much higher rates of nutrition. We're just observing the fallout now that that's evened out.
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>>16909042
this was done on purpose to destroy your civilization.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Af-k9sTAYEQ
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>>16910332
YOu know no one does IQ tests in Africa, right? These all have to do with developed and developing nations in the Americas and Europe (possibly Oceania as well).
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>>16923204
Euros didn't care about the IQ of Africans so much as using them as hard labor for building their empires. Why do you think they put them in jobs that didn't require a lot of thinking but a lot of strength to perform them? That goes for any colonial superpower in history from the Romans to the Turks to the Spaniards,French and English: you don't put your slaves in positions of power where they can undermine you or even give them the chance to think they can or are able to do such.
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>>16920935
>no one does IQ tests in Africa
What? Download v 1.3.5 and look at the ns of all of the African countries. https://viewoniq.org/?page_id=9
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>>16924165
>Reeecist!
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>>16924165
PISA sample size is 20,000 students from 800 schools.
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>>16909047
>tested the hypothesis that the Victorians were cleverer than modern populations, using high-quality instruments, namely measures of simple visual reaction time in a meta-analytic study
How did they find a Victorian to participate in the study with high-quality instrumnents
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>>16909043
>It was always irrational to assume we’ve gotten a lot smarter just because we can slightly boost education levels somewhat
not only education but "living standards".
our senses has gone down but we still act superior to our ancestors. it's mostly survivor bias
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>>16925507
The European admixture of Blacks is slightly increasing, so from an admixture perspective, we should expect them to become smarter.
"When we decomposed the color results for the African ancestry sample between and within families,
we found an association between families, between singletons (β = −0.153; N = 814), and between
full sibling pairs (β = −0.176; N = 225). However, we found no association between full siblings
(β = 0.027; N = 225). Differential regression to the mean results indicated that the factors causing the
mean group difference acted across the cognitive spectrum, with high-scoring African Americans
no less affected than low-scoring ones. We tested for measurement invariance and found that strict
factorial invariance was tenable. We then found that the weak version of Spearman’s hypothesis
was tenable while the strong and contra versions were not. The results imply that the observed
cognitive differences are primarily due to differences in g and that the Black-White mean difference
is attributable to the same factors that cause differences within both groups. Further examination
revealed comparable intraclass correlations and absolute differences for Black and White full siblings.
This implied that the non-shared environmental variance components were similar in magnitude for
both Blacks and Whites."
https://doi.org/10.3390/psych1010017
https://doi.org/10.3390/psych1010001
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>>16909042
desu intelligence isnt really rewarded in the current economic landscape bc you wont be guaranteed a decent life or even a job even if you were to do everything right and get decent grades which is why a lot of kids want to be content creators.
Wages arent keeping up with prices and the leadership is never going to do anything about it.
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>>16909042
Yeah everyone already knew this deep down they just didn't want to say it out loud. Or accept it.
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>>16926937
Yes, we already know that IQ isn't very environmental at all (in developed, or Western, countries).
We also know that SES doesn't mediate within-group heritability, either (i.e. no heritability - SES interaction effect for IQ, https://doi.org/10.1007/s10519-021-10080-w, http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.intell. 2016.02.003).
Voucher studies in Milwaukee, Cleveland, and Washington show that school quality is unrelated to NAEP scores ("Report 12-14 August 2012 Test Score Data for Pupils in the Milwaukee Parental Choice Program (Report 5 of 5) Legislative Audit Bureau," Evaluation of the Cleveland Scholarship and Tutoring Program Summary Report 1998 - 2004 CEEP February 22, 2006," "NCEE 2010-4018")
Murray (2002) showed that after controlling for poverty, parental divorce, and illegitimacy, the sibling with the higher childhood-IQ went on to attain a higher income in adulthood (causality is from IQ to income).
We've also known, since the 1966 Coleman report, that per-pupil expenditure is unrelated to test scores.
>picrel is "stereotype threat".
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>modern IQ tests find IQ is increasing
>nah fuck off with that bullshit, I don't believe in your fake Jew tests
>modern IQ tests find IQ is decreasing
>yeah of course that's I've been saying all along
Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug.
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>>16911737
Its not. In the idiocracy timeline there was no demographic Apocalypse. Western society continued to advance to the point of the entire technological system running itself. In the real world, society will collapse to the stone age.
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Carry the 1, the answer is "niggers"
>>16912142
Private school has fewer niggers, and the ones that exist do less nigging. Truth nuke: most kids are sent there by parents wanting to avoid the public schools and their nigger infestations. Bigger truth nuke: even when the parents and kids are black themselves.
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>>16910807
Most countries now have a similar standard; it's nearly impossible to flunk a student, he/she is given a bunch of chances to take remedial tests and basically go through pic related. The only way you fail a kid now is if he drops his pants and takes a shit on the mouths of the special unit educators
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Intelligence is, in notable part, the result of creativity. The act of interacting with the world and noting the reaction is a core component of future learning.
Creativity requires the freedom to be creative, or to put it another way, it is more difficult to experiment, and thus efficiently learn, in a situation where there are significant limits.
For many, being observed by an accepted authority figure (that is: a figure accepted as being in a position of authority) leads to inherent subconscious and/or overt considerations of what said authority might consider acceptable. One result of such may include "shyness," or a child wishing to avoid speaking to an adult for fear of saying something compromising, even when saying something offensive is nearly impossible.
Many people are aware of there being an arbitrarily high number of surveillance devices around them, and children are quite good at picking up such observations.
Because of the sheer degree to which kids are being monitored, they have become increasingly afraid of getting into trouble, or worse: being observed as being children. Because of this, they don't feel free enough to interact with the world, and thus, develop with an injured capacity for future learning.
In lieu of an authority figure, the threat of any of one's most embarrassing moments being filmed and uploaded for all the world to see is most certainly encouragement to avoid anything particularly risky.
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>>16935234
>>Faster reaction time = smarter
An inverse correlation between g and simple reaction time doesn't mean that every individual with a simple reaction time much shorter than the average will also have an intelligence much greater than the average (See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_toward_the_mean).
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>>16909047
>This is because high-IQ people are more productive and more creative
the midwits yes. the highest iq and highest earners are mostly neets
here's how high IQ rich people produce:
>I have an app idea
>cool I know someone who can market it
>cool my people will deliver a prototype in 2 weeks. we have a deal
here's how midwits produce:
>I have to use these 20 productivity apps to make my boss happy! whatever it takes even unpaid overtime!
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>>16909047
>1. White people suck at breeding.
Wrong, these societies are the result of intelligent labor, and they always reach a point where it's leaders do not want to select for intelligence in society because they do not want competition. They want higher populations that are easier to control and more servile, and when you can import labor and slaves from all across the world like what was popular during the Industrial Revolution to today, there is no feasible way for a native population to compete with boatloads of families being shipped to their shores by the millions every year.e decades of human development to create.
>2. Why do we keep pretending that we aren’t getting dumber?
Because then we would have to admit that this pyramid scheme doesn't work and has, in fact, irreparably damaged the societies who practiced it for the transient wealth of a few people who are long dead. Ironically, this is what the United States used to criticize the Soviet Union and Europe for practicing with their expansionism, but now it's almost entirely their own doing.
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>>16944486
What you're describing is an artificial pressure, and not a measurable one from IQ testing. Picture it from the Boss' standpoint, would he rather train his possible replacement or have legions of midwits whose productivity is solely measured in how many apps they can use? A manager in the current climate would pick the midwit every time, and the savant would either need to become extremely lucky in building a career from nothing (unless you think the connections needed to find people who can make products, market products, deliver prototypes, and perform QA grows on trees or is something you can do with a firm handshake which I guess would match the image of the midwit boomer you sound like) or would need to find family connections to jumpstart their independent career lest they be crushed by said manager working at Giant Corpo™ who has turned crushing its competition through lawfare into a science.
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>>16920935
I was going to link this but they paywalled it lmao:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5Z1kUx7M7c
An African wanted to see if that IQ map that puts Africans around 60-70 was real. They made Nigerians or something on the street take an IQ test and they scored 60-70.
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>>16909043
Gonna need more than 2 studies from the late 19th century to buy that
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>>16927004
holy shit you blindly believe le study? anon shut the fuck up NVIQ is completely culture fair and can be measured at age 5 and its a mean of the parents iq regressed some. education has nothing to do with it its literally INNATE
> t. 130 IQ 114 NVIQ 6.5 incher chad
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>>16923412
Teachers turned from those who were passionate or begrudgingly in the position of teaching to those who are passionate but in a system of those who are politically motivated and feel pushing their agenda is more important than actually teaching. Also, they were handed the banner of "teachers are underpaid" despite being fundamentally less worthy than their predecessors.
Instead of learning how to read, these kids were finger-painting pride flags.
And then add in COVID. And then add in idiots in high positions deciding that they could defund certain things because the kids are always on their computers and so they shouldn't need to be trained to do anything. Clearly they can already read and operate computers because they can't stop staring at their phones.
Perfect storm of dumbfuckery on a structural and administrative level doomed a generation.
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>>16909042
Me on the right cheating.
>>16910323
African pop increasing has nothing to do with this u racist. Developed countries birth rates declining, mud floods, etc..
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>>16909042
it's natural because the result of intelligence applied to running society is an environment of comfort and ease that does not require intelligence to solve its problems. You can't have it both ways, make people intelligent while constantly getting rid of intellectual challenges.
A variation of the good times weak men meme
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I just finished a year of college so I could transfer at work, last time I went was 2010. It was so much easier this time around and not just from being older.
Assignment late? Thats ok everyone will still grade late assignments.
AI makes certain shit easier and is allowed as long as your not copy pasting 10 page essays
Can you use Microsoft office? Congrats 2/3 of the kids in that class fail
Free day off from class and extra credit because teacher had to go deal with a 22 year old having another melty