i'm too autistic for a career in STEM

>>16945727
If I'm doing a bsc (hons) in creative music technology, which is basically a cursory mixture of audio-related programming, physics/electronics of sound/synthesis, and purely musical stuff like music theory and composition, but also I've taught myself calculus and am doing my dissertation on stuff related to spherical harmonics, would it be possible to switch lanes and do postgraduate study in a more traditional real science subject?

>>16945736
you will need to take at least 1 year of bac level courses before getting into even the most basic hard science msc program.

Any good self-help books for autistic STEM PhDs moving into industry?

>>16945736
>doing my dissertation
if you've got a PhD already you can probably do it yes

>>16945919
i think he means the bsc project/thesis.

>>16945970
I don't say "preparing for my IPO" when I host a garage sale

If we half do you, then we can sweep sexual control under the carpet. The government only wanted to do your taxes.

>>16945827
>https://www.amazon.com/Succeeding-Outside-Academy-Humanities-Sciences/dp/0700626883

How hard should it be to get an internship with CS without a project?

>>16945727
Cybersec postgrad here. If I can't find a job in 6 months after my masters should I just apply to Brown or MIT or something and get started on some AI doctorate? LLMs are kinda fun toys to play around with and it kinda sounds like the normies think that they're actually applicable-skynet-neverfail-technonukes.

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Feedback is welcome. No, I don't have real contacts to ask. Yes, that is a failure and a problem.

Last time someone said more real work bullets less academic bullets, that's done. Would of course tune this depending on position being applied to.

>>16946790
I don't know what to tell you. My advice is to apply to defense companies.

>>16946790
if you can't get a job I have no chance.

>>16946951
I do need to make clear that I have no chance, so this doesn't constitute any kind of meaningful lower bound on >>16946790 's chances of gaining employment.

My current contract runs out in June, then my career in research is over. I still daydream about joining the army but my knees probably won't be able to take it.

>>16946951
He is probably autistic. Even anime fan #1 got an job with a math phd, remember.

How to choose which career to pivot to after finish undergraduate in mathematics?
I am looking for the best according to these criteria:
- above median salary
- either seasonal with lots of free time in the year or good work life balance (<= 40hrs/week)
- is amenable to mathematics
- isn't too bound geographically

>>16947066
>undergraduate in mathematics
Who wants to tell him?

>>16945727
Currently a Pharm Tech at Walgreens, what STEM career should I pivot to with no degree at 24

>>16946231
Anyone?

>>16946231
>>16947360
If you mean a like personal project, then not very hard assuming you at least have a degree. At that point it's almost lottery, but it depends on where you live

>>16946951
I have a job it's just not very good and like >>16946956 said I'm autistic with nonexistent networking ability. You could have less credentials and be a more functional human being and I'm sure employers would prefer that.

>>16947367
Yeah like a personal project. I've began working on one and have some more ideas but I feel like it's no use bothering to apply when I have nothing really completed.

>>16947395
It's fine for it to not be completed, it's good that you have started working on it. The point is not to have shipped a product, the point is that you have something you can point to as a project you're working on and discuss a little bit about. It shows you don't just coast through coursework on autopilot but go a bit above and beyond, or whatever.

Definitely do not defer applying for internships until you have a project completed.

A long-distance degree from the national distance university of Spain in Spanish, recognized as a public university by all of the EU costs like 2k USD.

Do you guys have to use any kind of AI in your daily work? In my EE undergrad, there are several programming-related courses, and the AI seems to be able to handle all of them. This is probably because the programming there isn't as complex as SWE.

>>16947805
>This is probably because the programming there isn't as complex as SWE.
no, Claude can easily handle any and all programming assignments you'll ever get at a university. LLMs are limited by their context length, and uni projects never go beyond like 3-5kloc - so a flagship model from any company can "mentally keep track of" the entire codebase.

the problems start when the model can't read everything and has to start making guesses and assumptions, or just flat out misses that entire features or libraries exist. this leads to redundancy, re-implementation, breaking rarely used internal APIs, etc, spaghetti code.

though now with multi-agent workflows you can get AI to handle pretty large codebases with at least some success.

>>16947814
>>16947805
anyway, I do use LLMs but not for coding generally. mostly for quick initial research to figure out the keywords I don't know, for checking boilerplate text documents, for generating initial drafts of boilerplate text, etc

if you're in an R&D environment the chances are coding itself is only a small fraction of your time, you spend a lot of time tinkering with shit and trying to figure out what it even is you should be coding in the first place, or why it doesn't work as expected. I learned to code over a decade ago, I'm a fast coder, so I don't spend very long on the programming itself and the marginal time losses are definitely worth having a complete understanding of the codebase.

In corpo slop environments LLM use is now the norm, though, because you're working on atomic changes to large pre-existing codebases anyway. Might as well maximize your throughput and only have a human in the loop for responsibility.

>>16947066
Actuary but you'll need to grind a bit longer young blood

Can't find any jobs relevant to my studies in NLP... just a code monkey now. Is it a dead field here in Europe? Is PhDmaxxing a necessity for the big tech jobs in the field?

>>16947429
Thanks, anon! I've been struggling with this the past couple of years (I've been going to school part-time).

My anecdote
Got a biochem degree but denied med school 2yrs
Someone suggested I apply to Buyer roles
Started as basic bitch and moved to project manager in 1yr
Been here since 2020 and make 100k+bonus as 'technical project manager' in Materials
Not STEM, but it's more chill than I expected + i work from home

>>16947879
>just a code monkey now
why are you asking here if you already have a job? better than everyone else

I've got a PhD in computer science (computer vision, robotics) and I'm unemployable
>my studies
nigger you've only got an undergrad degree what fucking studies, what have you published?

>>16947873
I've read around that it's gonna be severely impacted by AI advances, especially with the strides it has made in mathematics recently.
Is that wrong/misleading?
Are you in the field? How is the vibe?

>>16946790
It is a good idea to remain with an employer for at least 2 - 3 years to avoid being considered a compulsive job hopper.

>>16948012
i have a bachelors and a research masters. My bachelor has some citations and my research master thesis has over 100

>>16948247
I've heard that, and intend to stick to it. In my personal opinion it's more important to show a concrete output rather than an arbitrary time spend, but others may think differently.

I've had two employers. One was the postdoc, for two years, after which the group moved. I'll have been at the current place for two years by this summer, which is the earliest point by which I'd realistically leave or even land a job.

>>16948599
ok cool you and literally everybody else you stupid underage faggot.

I completed my PhD because I was under the impression that it would give me the legal right to demand everyone around me refer to me as "Herr Doktor". Turns out this is considered inappropriate and passe.

What a complete fucking waste of time.

>>16949097
Do you want to sexually assault my PI with me?

>>16949163
I don't think you're physically strong enough to be my accomplice. We need another guy at least.

>>16945727
I will be starting applied mathematics major at 30-31 (next year). It sucks because I have to move to a different country, but I hope I can get my degree. It sucks not having a degree.
>inb4 why not pure math
No night schedules for pure math, only applied and choosing the courses correctly, I will be doing the same major.

>>16949199
Let's make this a party. Although I will say he is very very frail.

>>16945727
I'm going to finish my Physics master's thesis by the end of this summer, and can't decide to stay another 4 years for the PhD or get a real job. I'm tired of classes but the only way to be truly qualified in the field is to have a doctorate. My thesis is on purifying semiconductor materials, so I'm pretty sure I can get a job in the semiconductor industry. Which way is better?

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Have him do a thesis on semiconductor materials
Fill him with false confidence that he can job doing that
Now have him apply for some jobs
Now tell him about European patent attorneys

At the end of the day you just have to come to terms with the fact that tech jobs mainly exist to give troons the requisite financial resources to pay for surgery.

>>16950595
if that were the case you'd see troons in actual tech jobs (you don't; it's mostly redditor "geek" types)

>>16951048
What are you talking about half of anthropics AI safety team are transgender. AI companies are larded with these people all pulling down 7 figure salaries

>>16949097
Normalfags casualize everything to show that they are a "cool guy" and very tolerant and accepting. They think being an informal slob is how to demonstrate they are a "good person."
Just insist that they call you doctor until it gets uncomfortable and they'll either avoid you or acquiesce to resolve the tension. Either way it's a win.

Things are not going well

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>>16951101
>tech jobs
>AI safety team
I know this is bait but I choose to make this reply anyway

>>16951792
Those are highly remunerated tech jobs. The same is true of their pretraining and posttraining teams.

I'm going to do it, I'm going to let all my repressed rage out from years of being treated poorly at the hands of society out on my supervisor

>>16951894
You won't do shit

>>16951972
I'm filipino and 6'5 and Yadda Yadda Yadda you know the drill by now.

Currently majoring in an applied science, in the beginning I thought about pivoting to data science/analytics at one point or IT, like many naive STEM grads, or something but I have completely moved on from that due to being paranoid about AI. I am trying to collect all the applied lab skills and work with instruments I can now. Lab workers and technicians have always lived in a type of grey area between white collar and blue collar work after all and I hope this will somewhat immunize me.

Please tell me I will be fine.

>>16947805
have to? no. but my college has copilot and i'll use that for brainstorming ideas or thinking through ideas for problems i want to put on exams or developing project ideas, that sort of thing.

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>>16945727
Is it worth going for a Mathematics degree along with a Comp Sci degree (for the love of the game) if I'm retarded at math? I'm mainly interested in "Foundations of Mathematics" stuff and Category Theory, and I'm worried going through the whole degree is going to be too much. I don't need it for a job I'm just interested and have a free ride through college.

>>16952387
>Category Theory

How many years on HRT hon?

Attention:
Do not get an information science degree. It is not a science.

>>16952331
>pivoting to data science/analytics at one point
I thought that field was way past saturation now and in the free-fall part of the hype cycle.
>or IT
That is a slave ship on fire that also is sinking into the abyss.
> I am trying to collect all the applied lab skills and work with instruments I can now.
Good plan, AI may augment lab work but is still without the common sense that lab work requires.

How bad is it if I'm in my 30s and am STILL not sure what I want to do? I am studying CS but not sure what direction to go in. I've thought about doing embedded systems but I have no real experience with it and don't know the first thing about it but working on avionics, particularly with spacecraft, seems really cool. I've also thought about studying astronomy for a grad degree too. I just fucking love space, man.

>>16952502
Do you have a job?

>>16952504
Yes? What does that have to do with my post?

>>16952507
If you have an established professional career, you can study for fun, e.g. astronomy, without the pressure to get a job in the field.

>>16952524
True but what if I wanted to study stars or exoplanets for my job?

>>16952706
become a freemason and get connected with astrophysics blue lodge circles

>>16952706
Astronomy is the unemployment meme field of physics, being at the intersection of
>Very few jobs (no private industry)
>Very many applicants (lots of autists who followed their passion)

Basically you will have to become a senior academic for this to be your career. This involves the following:

>Finish up your degree (? years)
>PhD in astrophysics or equivalent (4-7 years depending on amerishart or not)
>Postdoc (2-5 years, has become mandatory in practice, some people do multiple)

After anywhere from 8-12 years you will then be in a position to APPLY for tenure track or permanent staff positions, if the latter even exists for your field. You'll be in your 40s and for the last decade will have made the salary equivalent of a fast food worker. TT jobs are extremely competitive, extremely political and hiring committees will outright disregard you by virtue of being old. If you do get the job, your role will be something between a middle manager/small business owner/onlyfans model. In the old days the 95% that fall out the pipeline would have eventually gotten employed in "software", we know how that is now.

I don't know shit about the avionics/aerospace engineering industry. Probably it is the engineering equivalent, but at least there is SOME industry, even if you're not competitive enough for the big ones you can probably eventually get something burning investor funny money in a startup fulfilling the impossible promises of some MDMA-addled balding sociopath.

>>16952781
Well fuck me that fucking sucks. Astronomy is like, the coolest shit.

Well fuck me. Anyone else know if I should just do aerospace engineering?

>>16952954
Amateur astronomers make discoveries all the time. Do aerospace and buy yourself a huge microscope

I went to college. I deserve six figures.

>>16952991
We all went to college. You deserve whatever you can get.

>>16952991
>>16953000
I am a ugly incel. I don't deserve anything let alone happiness.

>>16953000
I didnt. I got my PhD from a cereal box

Oh my fucking God the people in academia are the worst people I've ever met, I'm so glad I have bcakup plans and am not balls deep into this shit yet
Anon, no matter how interesting you think Biology, Physics, Chemistry, Math, etc. are, don't do it. DON'T

>>16952964
>Amateur astronomers make discoveries all the time
Wait seriously?

I may still actually do aerospace though. I feel silly for flip flopping all the damn time as an adult. Kek

>>16954055
I get that. I'm interested in science and technology but I probably couldn't do academia. That plus a lot of people in tech rub me the wrong way. I'd much rather hang out around artsy people desu

>>16955368
Yes, the great irony is that while professional Astronomy is a tough to get in field full of striving autists fighting over scraps, amateur Astronomy is quite literally the most accesible field for citizen science out of any, likely. People discover new comets or even galactic events from their backyard all the time. Hell, you don't even need a telescope, amateurs have made major discoveries sifting through other people's data sets.

>>16955592
Well damn. You got me, anon. Guess I really am going to go into aerospace then.

>>16946790
native language punjabi?

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company i interviewed with hasn't reached back. They said by the end of march... did i fuck up that bad? I called and emailed them and still nothing. This is not even the first time this happened to me.

I be being

>>16955874
unless you're hot shit you will simply get ghosted at some part of the hiring process 90-99.9% of the time. even if you manage to get some interview stages done they will still ghost you if they decide to drop you

nothing you can do besides keep applying.

>>16955874
Why do you attach emotionally to a job offer? Dude, just apply for other positions

>>16955700
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_Shoemaker%E2%80%93Levy_9
>The comet was discovered by astronomers Carolyn and Eugene M. Shoemaker, and David Levy in 1993.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_H._Levy
>David Howard (Doveed) Levy (born May 22, 1948) is a Canadian-American amateur astronomer, science writer, and discoverer of comets and minor planets. He is best known for co-discovering Comet Shoemaker–Levy 9 in 1993, which collided with Jupiter in 1994 in the first observed planetary-scale impact in the Solar System.

>>16955368
> probably couldn't do academia. That plus a lot of people in tech rub me the wrong way.

>>16954055
>the people in academia are the worst people I've ever met

It's the same shit everywhere. There's significant overlap between applied science academia and deep tech startup/small companies (which is where a lot of the relevant jobs for /scg/ are). In terms of subject matter, people, and dysfunctionalities.

I'm convinced that in any given field, academic or industry, for every 100 people there's probably 3 who know what they are doing. Those guys are probably all relatively unknown Germans working in run-of-the-mill positions who just assume everyone must surely know the basics.

>>16956212
>applied science / startups
>a lot of jobs
lol. lmao. checked the interest rates at any time in the past 3-5 years?

>>16956212
>Those guys are probably all relatively unknown Germans
also no, they're not fucking germans. the germans are always late and always contribute shit, they know the eastern european monkeys such as myself will carry them when the project deadlines come.

>>16956319
"a lot of the relevant jobs" is not the same as "a lot of jobs" and does not imply anything about the total amount of actual jobs, eastern european ESL-kun.

>>16956363
>a lot of the relevant jobs for /scg/
implies that
>there are relevant jobs
>there are relevant jobs in sufficient quantity for the cardinality of any subset of them to be described as "a lot"

I vehemently disagree with both implications, illiterate anglo monkey

yes, "a lot of the X" is used for relative prevalence. no, it is not used when the subsets are small.

>>16956373
If you seriously think the global STEM job market is like 5 jobs I can see why you never managed to escape your slavic scumhole.

I am just spent after a long week working my ass off in the math factory. Why don't you faggots pipe down a bit.

>>16950524
>Now tell him about European patent attorneys
Why so hung up on patent attorneys? Patent offices are on a recruiting spree just now. Rumours are that many patent offices are being flooded by AI generated patent applications and need people to handle the increased workload.

Has Linkedin gone too far or has it left the rails entirely?
https://xcancel.com/MLBFansWorld/status/2042642819651706939#m

>>16956588
>xcancel
kek

>>16956375
I have never seen any evidence to the contrary

>>16956504
Cease your silver tongued lies devil

>>16956987
What? So you don't like the sound of well paid government jobs you just cannot be fored from and with excellent retirement deals?

>>16945727
I Watched a video on the courses that Math students take in their first year in Oxford

I understand that oxford is a top uni, but still it is quite surprising to me that Oxford’s first year equals other universities’ first 2 years.

1- Introduction to complex numbers
2- Linear Algebra I and II
3- Introduction to calculus, Analysis I, III and III and multi variable calculus
4- Fourier Series and PDEs
5- Probability, Statistics and data analysis
6- Geometry, constructive mathematics; introduction to university mathematics
7- Groups and Dynamics
8- Computational mathematics

That covers about half of the things I will be studying at the uni I’m applying for

>>16957115
You realize, of course, that rankings are bullshit and Oxford is just another school with a great brand.

>>16957115
The undergraduate mathematics curriculum is fairly standardised in Europe due to the Bologna process.

>>16951636
It took me 13 years to complete a 4 yr degree. Im gonna demand people call me doctor just because I put the time in.

>>16957217
My friend did his PhD in 11 years. I did mine in 3.5. His doing a post doc now while I was forced into industry.

What can I do with a Bachelor of Science (Biology) besides being a lab technician?

>>16957364
Teach High School

>>16957365
I'd have to get a Edu degree for that

>>16945727
germany have a lot to teach the rest of europe about science and engineering.
i'm so tired of slavic and french people acting like they are intelligent human beings when everything they do ends in failure.

>>16957398
>germany have a lot to teach the rest of europe about science and engineering.
Specifically, what?

>>16957540
Protokoll and pedantry

>>16957362
>>16957217
it doesn't matter how long it took you it only matters how prestigious the group you did it with is

I did mine in 3.5 years, less than 3 if you discount 8 months of administrative waiting bullshit at the end, but it's at some no name eastern euro uni and research institute so I'm unemployable

Why is it that when I look at the admissions page for literally any university ever they always say "this isn't just academics it's about who you are as a person". And you're supposed to have ECs and passion projects and all that gay shit. Bitch, my passion is discrete calculus. My 'projects' are proofs that took more than a day to complete. The only extracurricular I do is studying computer science from random texbooks, and I fucking eschew webdev and software engineering so it's not like I'm gonna have any projects. Nigger I'd be right at home as an undergrad CS major, but I've got to do all this jerking off it seems. God fucking damn, why don't they just have me take an aptitude exam or some shit? Autists getting the short end of the stick as always, life really is one big high school.

>>16957928
it's so they can let nepo babies skip the line you underageb& retard

>>16958003
>underageb&
high school seniors are 18 where i'm from, not sure how it works in india though

>>16958016
>high school => no phd
so underageb&

>>16958016
Everyone under 25 is underaged for the purposes of career discussion.

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>>16958016
listen buddy I don't make the rules here

>>16958040
made me kek, here's your (You)
respect +

>>16957120
Well I think being oxford, they have a history that speaks for them
>>16957147
In Cambridge they don’t have a first year like this

>>16957928
>life really is one big high school.
Yeah it's complete bullshit. Luckily I've been been feeling inspired to actually work on some projects but I do hate how being genuinely neurodivergent just seems to repulse people.

On that note, what's some advice for getting hired to work in a research lab as a full ass grown adult?

>>16958133
>what's some advice for getting hired to work in a research lab as a full ass grown adult?

In what capacity and with what background? You can have lab techs who are tradies, PhD candidates require a master's (except US), postdocs require a PhD, anything tenure track you won't be getting if you're asking here. The only permanent positions are lab techs and tenure track, in select cases/institutions you can have permanent research staff but not always.

>>16958169
Also lab techs aren't necessarily tradies, they can have various uni degrees as well. It's just one of the few in-the-lab roles that doesn't always require a uni degree, I'm sure there's regional variations.

>>16958169
As an undergrad who's in his 30's. Would it even be worth it?

What about joining a STEM related club?

>>16958169
>in select cases/institutions you can have permanent research staff but not always.
in most institutions that are explicitly "research institutes" you've got sorta-staff researchers. it doesn't line up exactly with the academic tenure track. how permanent these positions really are depends on funding though, how much of your research group funding is provided by the institution itself vs how much is external grants

>>16958177
>As an undergrad who's in his 30's
>What about joining a STEM related club?

If you're currently in uni and want to work in a lab for a bit it should be very doable. You can just ask a professor if they have student projects available, or your uni might have e.g. program for summer projects. These are relatively low-stakes and low-commitment for all parties involved. Being in a real research group doing real research is quite different from labs done purely for learning or demonstration.

Assuming you're the same guy who was interested in astrophysics, amateur astronomy is among the most lively amateur science branches. There very well might be a relevant club at your uni, and there definitely will be one in your country (probably even more locally).

Getting a career in the lab is another matter.

Can have have a career in STEM while also being a wigga' thug?
I want to be a STEM luminary but I don't want to give up my thug wigga identity.
Like can I "roll up" to "da" research complex blasting "Do Yo' Chain Hang Lo'?"

>>16958237
Yes, I am that same anon.

Should I join a club for rocketry or satellites?

>>16958331
You're a retard but yes.

>>16957545
>Protokoll and pedantry
That reminds me of the German "Brief Introduction to Pedantry" in 12 volumes.

>>16958331
Sagger chads where we at.

The answer is yes and frankly having a bit of hood in you gives you an edge.

>>16958363
Is that because the academy is diverse and inclusive? Do they respect non-traditional perspectives on scientific inquiry such as those of the wigga' thug?

>>16958455
>>16958331
>>16958634

>having a bit of hood in you gives you an edge
It does. Middle/upper classes don't quite know how to deal with it. Being middle/upper class is still a much bigger advantage overall.

Dr. Wigger lasting more than ten seconds in a public school would be great for outreach virtue signalling. Though the point is to be there for the 10 sec it takes to get the photo and then never return.