How the fuck did Zidane still have a career after headbutting Materazzi in the WC final 2006? Nigger should've been banned for life.

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>>154208011
I wonder how Puskas and Cruyff would be ranked if they won a world cup.
It is criminal neither the netherlands nor hungary won a cup considering their contributions to the sport.
If the germans didn't dope up in 1954, that hungary team would've been legendary forever.
If cruyff stayed in 1978 maybe they could've eeked out a win over argentina assuming it wouldn't be rigged.

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>Roberto baggio in the top 10

>>154208011
CR7 should be in the top 5, what a joke.

>>154208271
These lists often slander ronaldo or messi because they have like a hundred million diehard fans that might engage with the post

>>154208011
George Best is top 5 there I said it. Most of these South Americans couldn’t lace his boots. Fact btw

>>154208175
Cope. Fritz Walter, Helmut Rahn, Toni Turek and Max Morlock mogged the 50% ethnic German Hungarian team - and no one will ever take it away. But surely Germany broke some rules and the Hungarians were clean, because … they just were. FIFA would have immediately banned Germany and taken away the title if there had been anything of value
The truth is that the Hungarians were not good enough when it mattered

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>>154208011
These lists are always so dumb, just stop trying. Comparing individual players in a team sport with different positions, clubs, competitions, and eras … why even bother?

>15


he will never recover or forgive them
and piers morgan will hear about that

>>154208011
Thats a pajeet account btw

>>154208271
United fan here. His placing outside the top ten is right. Think of football as something else for a moment, say movies. If Ronaldo was a film director all his movies would be the same genre. Say slashers. Ronaldo directed 17 slashers in his career. Now compare him as a director to someone who has directed dramas, romance, war, mythology, fantasy, basically someone who can do it all and make bangers every time. Would you really put Ronaldo above him? Its not even a question right? And that is the thing, Ronaldo was excellent at one very specific part of the game. But he was never a playmaker too, or an artist on the pitch who saw a beautiful pass. Ronaldo at his best was a physical monster with a clinical finish, yes he scored a ton of goals but he's not even on the same planet as a Zidane et all.

>>154208011
>Pele 3rd
Hilarious

@girlcock Redo this list and remove joke league stats

>>154208556
Abhorrent take, ronaldo is probably gonna be the first player with 1000 verified goals , has a euro and 5 ucl, being the best player on each winning team. Placing him anything below 4 is just hating.

>>154208711
hating? stfu you german cuck, i am a united fan.
In your own dumb way you made my point. As i explained he's very good at one thing. If you reduce football to that, then yes put him in the top ten. But what then do you do with all the defenders, midfielders, playmakers of the world?
Paul Scholes was a better footballer than Ronaldo. Not even close. Who scored more goals? Ronaldo.
See the list is best footballers not best goal scorers. Now fuck off you reductionist kunt

here's another example. Bergkamp. Bergkamp could do things with the ball and was creative in a way we rarely get to see nowadays. Yes Ronaldo would out score him but that's not the metric here.

>>154208782
Waaa waaa waaa shut the fuck up faggot
>if u take away good thing good guy become big bad :(
No shit retard he doesnt have to be perfevt at everything to succeed

>>154208385
fifa is corrupt and don't care about rigging as long as they benefit from it
german players were popped up with meth
but that world cup win gave germany confidence and good standing internationally after ww2 so maybe it was alright overall

>>154208011
>4
LMAO!!!

>>154208887
u silly turkish roach. No one is saying Ronaldo is bad. No one is saying to take away his primary talent. THAT'S THE REASON HE'S ON THE LIST DUMBO. Judging him as an overall footballer, ie has ronaldo ever controlled a game? Nope. Never. He doesn't do that. But he was fantastic at what he did do. He deserves to be on the list but he's correctly not top ten.

>>154208011
>Best
>18th

>>154208011
>Kekle

>>154208175
Germany's role in football is hard checking the would-be legendary teams.
>this is the best generation in our country's history and we are up to great things, surely one of the all time best international sides
But can they beat Germany?

>>154208952
Being particularly versatile is NOT key to making the top 10. Thats just your opinion, not objevtive facts. For objective facts look at his trophy cabinet. Ronaldo is top 5. This isnt up for debate by anyone other than contrarians like you. Now piss off im not blessing your dumb ass with another (You)

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>>154208011
>CR7
Should be in the top 5.
>Garrincha
>Zico
>Romário
Should be below Ronaldinho.

TRUE #1 = Miroslav Klose

>>154208711
>a euro

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>>154208011
kek If the top 5 isn't all Brargentinian you already now it's yurocopeslop

>>154208081
He didnt, he was retired before the WC and came back only to help France win the cup again.

>>154212957
Fatnaldo was good for like 2 years, 7th is understandable

>>154208011
>baggio above romario
even baggio himself would be pissed at that

insane how the literal first entry in the list totally invalidates the whole thing, jeets really did it this time

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>>154212957
You having to cope with muh individual class, which for you is just dribblings and flair in most cases ... that's the real cope here

>>154208011
ACCORDING TO UGLY MANLETS.COM WOAW POST IT ON REDDIT

>>154213185
>>154213805
lol, lmao

4, 5, 6 above Ronaldo is a joke.
Why the fuck is Cokeadona that high too?
This list is pure anti-brazilianism shit

pele is overrated as fuck
no one even saw him play. he's a myth

1. Pele > Messi (wc)
3. Dona > Salah (peak)
5. Vini = Cruijff
7. CR7 (objective ability)
8. Zidane > Neuer (12th man effect)
10. Kante?

>>154208011
>all these 20th century fossils from the pre-VAR era
Kek

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>>154208011
Criminally underrated.

That said...
>1. Lionel Messi
>15. Cristiano Ronaldo
kek

Pele should be 2nd and CR7 at least in the top 10.

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>>154208011
I’m sick of lists of athletes. Goat lists, top tens, analyses, highlight reels, canons, counter-canons, the lot. Pathetic activity. Someone could write out the name of every single sportsman I really love, ranked impeccably, with no omissions and no interpolations, and I’d spit cold venom in their face. I think the only way to enjoy greatness with dignity is to witness organically, intuitively, random, by gut feeling. Not running down a list, but enjoying, following the seams where mastery bleeds into each other.

As an Australian i want to laugh at Ronnie (15th) and make known to him that the Airport is in this direction

Where is Rivaldo???

>>154208385
German nationalism on the rise

>>154208011
>zinedine zidane
made up name to trick zoomers, but i am too smart 4u
>zine
>dine
>zi
>dane
nonsense

>>154216814
he was only good in the nt

>>154217280
>He was only good when it truly mattered
Goat.

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>>154208011
why does he make some 'people' seethe so much

>>154208011
Lol

>>154208011
>Messi 1st
Kek
>Ronaldo 15
topkek

>>154208176
>He didn't watch the US wc

>>154208011
genuinely why is maradona in the top 5 conversation? he had one good world cup and one good season at napoli

>>154208011
Reality:
> -1. Peak R9
> 0. Peak Messi
> 1. Pelé
> 2. Messi
> 3. R9
> 4. Rivaldo
> 5. Ronaldinho
> 6. Maradona
> 7. Garrincha
> 8. Romário
> 9. Zico
> 10. Zidane (Algerian)

>b-b--but muh eurochungus
lol, first relevant euro player is maldini

>>154208011
I literally never heard anyone rate Platini as top 10 footballers. Also CR already surpassed Di Stefano goal records for Real

Where the fuck is JLingz

>>154214304
Based truth poster

>>154208385
There's a reason why you became utterly shit after Varsinso was invented.

The three pillars of German football always were

Doping
Cheating
Foreign mercenaries

>>154223929
I'd meet you there and say that Peak Fatnaldo is extremely underrated, I'd have him top 5 any day, even top 3 if you'd like, but I believe peak Messi still surpasses him.

Why Argentines allowed to openly take drugs and it's never factored in?

>>154225187
Hearing this from Cheatentinians is beyond hilarious. We’re just shit in general, nothing to do with doping and cheating. And the foreign mercenaries part makes no sense in the first place

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>>154225208
Honestly, that's one of the only discussions that I can't really pick a side confidently. From one perspective I think R9 was more lethal in a way, in the sense that he needed less touches to punish the defense by himself or by making those sneaky passes that people often forget about, butt, you can counter that by talking about how his era kind of favored 1v1. From another perspective Messi was definitely more versatile and consistent from a team perspective, specially when it came to his playmaking, butt, you can counter that by talking about the teammates, team and the traits of the league he played for.

The reason I personally put R9's peak a little ahead is because I think Messi's peak was enhanced by his team, meanwhile R9's was independent of where he was playing at. I don't want to imply that Messi's peak was *only* due to his team, but I do think it made his stats look much better, it was the perferct storm for that to happen the way it happened.

It's really a toss up desu

>>154225238
Drugstores are legal, anyone can buy drugs

>>154223929
Truth
>Müller
>Klose
>Kroos
>Khedira
>Schürrle
And then the first Brazilians MAYBE come

>>154225288
Cute

>>154225326
AND I got the hitler digits :)

>>154208011
>no Nordahl
shit list

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>>154225332
Your digits can't compare to mine, check these

>>154225359
Weak

>>154223929
I'm surprised you have "Peak R9" and "Peak Messi" and not "Peak Ronaldinho", who was just as good. Unless you're trying to imply that Barça Ronaldinho was worse than Depor/Barça Rivaldo...

>>154224229
give him time

>>154225417
I think of his peak as one of the highest, probably the highest after R9 and Messi. But even during it, he did lots of stupid things mid game for le joga bonito meme purposes. And playing badly in selecinha wasn't rare for him either. So to me he is a notch below them just because of that.

Objectively, it’s obviously

1. Franz Beckenbauer
2. Gerd Müller
3. Uwe Seeler
4. Fritz Walter
5. Lothar Matthäus
6. Paul Breitner
7. Wolfgang Overath
8. Günter Netzer
9. Toni Kroos
10. Karl-Heinz Rummenigge
Honorable mentions: Oliver Kahn, Matthias Sammer, Berti Vogts, Philipp Lahm, Rudi Völler, Sepp Maier

Only retired players

>>154225847
>no Bernd Schuster
>no Andreas Brehme
fraudulent list

>>154225847
>no Andi Möller
>no Christian Wörns
>no Jens Lehmann
No.

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Posting some random old players who don't make the list but seem like they would be close
>Gerson
One of the 5 number 10s in the Brazil 1970 team he was the steady central playmaker. He missed the 1962 world cup through injury but played 66 and was one of the best performers at 1970.
He famously did an advert for cigarettes after he retired. In Brazil, Gerson's Law means the propensity to unethically take advantage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh9u_amafFI

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>>154208011
>x.com

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>>154235506
>Michael Laudrup
One of the coolest players ever in dribbling and passing. Liverpool tried to sign him from Brondby but instead he went to Juve but had to be loaned out to Lazio because they already had 2 world class foreign players and that was the limit in Serie A.
Instead he excelled at Barca, who themselves signed Romario meaning he got ditched for the foreigner rule and went to Real instead. This meant he won 5 consecutive league titles across both clubs.
Maradona cited him as one of the greatest ever. He played across 16 seasons for Denmark but skipped Euro 92 because he didn't like the coach and didn't want to cancel his holiday.

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>>154208011
>15

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>Frank Rijkaard
One of the best DMs ever before it was really a popular position but he was very good on the ball too. Won 3 European Cup/Champions Leagues and a Euros. He kind of gets placed as the third of the 3 dutchmen in the great Milan side and even finished 3rd in the balon d'or rankings to van Basten and Gullit 2 years running.
After he left Milan he went back to Ajax and beat Milan in the CL final.

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>Teofilo Cubillas
Peru's greatest ever player when they had a few players worth watching desu. He scored 5 in the 1970 world cup and another 5 in 1978. After 1970 Pele said that Cubillas was his successor. He is still Peru's 3rd highest scorer despite being an attacking midfielder.
Randomly he signed for Porto because they paid him more than Eusebio was getting at Benfica. Not really near the top 50 I wouldn't say but his highlight reel makes him look a shoe in.

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>>154235516
based

>>154216967
If you talk about Rivaldo(a real nigga in both 98 and 02) then you have to take a closer look at ronaldonho and his NT failures, that causes a psychological problem with his fans childhood memories, so you just can't do it. Similar to the eto'o messi situation or di maria messi.

>>154208385
Except Hungary had already beaten West Germany 8-3 in that very same tournament.

>no stanley matthews
>no gianni rivera
>no giacinto facchetti
>no thomas muller
>no laszlo kubala

>>154241212
If you had a single clue, you'd know Germany's manager Sepp Herberger decided to throw that match to gather information. He speculated on meeting Hungary again in the final and trusted Germany would easily advance from the groups anyway (opponents were Turkey and South Korea after all). Germany played a different system and fielded various reserve players (Kwiatkowski, Bauer, Mebus, Herrmann, Pfaff)
It's also not exactly a secret that Germany had a bit of a tech advantage in the final since it was rainy and Germany had superior boots made by Dassler. Also, Fritz Walter required colder temperatures to play at his best ever since contracting Malaria in WW2
If Germany played that group stage match clean, then the 14 days between then and the final didn't matter either. Nobody can effectively roid this quickly

>>154214304
wait until his descendants find 50 more goals buried in your backyard and then we'll talk