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>I can fix her
>she can make me worse
Which way, Terran man?
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Fuck yeah! A new Outsider.
Beryl has a habit of not answering Alex questions whenever the answer wouldn't be appropriate for a child. Instead she tries to distract him with something else. Like she is Alex mom. She keeps being worst girl.
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>>97808565
Alternatively "by the way our cybernetically enhanced psychic trained from infancy supersoldiers tend to go berserk and kill friendly troops after a battle so we leave them alone until they stop shaking" is the kind of military secret they'd keep away from a foreign nation's diplomat, no matter how friendly.
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>>97808685
It's literally just Fireblade and her PTSD has nothing to do with her enhancements or training. If anything it's her lack of training. Beryl could have easily said something along the lines of "Fireblade gets into a rage during combat and needs time to calm down."
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>>97808968
Its on the well of souls in the extras section
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>obsessed enough with blue people to have an entire page dedicated to cataloguing every fictional race of blue people he can find
>makes himself green
what is his FUCKING problem
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>>97809378
Objectively wrong.
Tempo is best, Beryl and Fireblade are equally good and valid. Talon is a dead elf walking.
We have not yet met worst girl.
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>>97808871
It is, and it's probably made worse by her psychic enahncements and the fact that she barely has control over her powers to begin with.
The Loroi use individuals like her as living weapons. Beryl obviously understands that saying this willl make them look a lot less like the good guys. I wonder if Tempo will comment on it.
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>>97808685
Nonsense, that is just dirty Umiak propaganda she is just having some shakes just let her sit for a bit, please ignore that she ripped off her psychic enhancement crown thingy connected to her brain by implants in her skull.
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>>97810058
She got so riled up from all that bloodshed she needs a moment for the afterglow to fade...
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>>97809378
You can't fix Fireblade. She isn't even in the running. Ranking Stillstorm that high marks you as a man of culture, though.
>>97810004
Tempo truly is the best. Sure, she is a Mizol and plays the game of diplomacy as best as she can, but she does genuinely try to do Alex some favours where feasible.
Look how she made it possible for Alex to witness the destruction of Bellarmine. Alex wanted to see a Loroi weapon fire and tried an emotional appeal to achieve that. Tempo agreed with Alex sentimental reasons, but also saw the gain for the Loroi in letting Alex witness their weapons fire. Mutual benefit.
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>>97811690
>Stillstorm
I really want to know if she has hobbies. Or any kind of personality beyond "angry". She's skilled but apparently extremely unpleasant to be around. She reminds me of a stereotypical Vietnam vet who spent 10 tours in the jungle and now has trouble with any interaction that doesn't involve killing someone or being paranoid that someone is trying to kill them.
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>>97807704
WIP for comparison
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>>97813271
What's the over-under on this happening again in the future, a second crisis occurring while she's out, and him having to carry her as the only person who'smostlyimmune to having and induced psychic breakdown?
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>The finished version of page 232 is up, and it's the last one that I can get by without finishing the bridge model, so that's what I'll be working on in April. I can't move any farther without this being finished, so obviously this is my top priority for Outsider work. The bright side is that once this is completed, it will make finishing the next 60+ pages much faster.
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>The wrinkle is that I'm simultaneously trying to switch from Lightwave 3D to Blender as my 3D graphics program.
It's over, no more updates for another few years.
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>>97814917
Feel free to learn some GURPS
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>>97816355
FUCK
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>>97807704
>why is she shouting "HORUS!"?
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>>97815504
Gigatourist
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>>97818577
They do talk, but she rarely does and it's usually a very bad sign, indicating lack of trust and imminent violence.
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>>97818695
I like the subtext thatstillstorm, from taben, who lost one of her daughters in a previous battle, decided to send Talon away from the fleet. Ostensibly so she can train some new pilots, but if you notice talon has the same hair and eye color as stillstorm.. meaning talon probably resembles her late daughter.
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>>97815377
I like how the Umiak bridge is vaguely retrofuturistic, especially with the monitors embedded in the walls compared to the floating displays of the Loroi.
>>97818876
A lot of the similarities might just be general features shared by their ethnic group like having a sharper nose, being skinny etc.
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>>97821058
>A lot of the similarities might just be general features shared by their ethnic group like having a sharper nose, being skinny etc.
Which probably remind Stillstorm of her homeworld.
She is old by wartime Loroi standards, and has seen generations of warriors die. She probably experiences some form of survivors guilt when she sees another interceptor squadron almost die to the last Loroi, especially one from her homeworld.
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>>97809079
Danke
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>>97808565
Beryl obviously just wants to ride Alex raw and bear his many children
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>>97828918
Light spoilers, but even at page 291 we're still on the bug ship, so him focusing doing the 3d background for the scene seems appropriate (all the sketch pages have no background at all).
Hopefully it just means a short slowing of progress to get the background done before he speeds up again, but I admit I'm getting PTSD flashbacks to the beginning of the dreaded Shuttle Arc.™
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Theory:
Fireblade's post-combat shakes aren't PTSD or stress related or a whatever% adverse side effect to cyborg brain rewiring use only as prescribed.
Instead they are the result of Umiak experimentation and bio-tampering which also resulted in telekinesis, the exact opposite of the power they were hoping to instill (they wanted to make a farseer OR create something loyal to them I think).
Fireblade's brain chemistry is part Umiak because they know best how to work with that bio template and the rest of her brain and body behaves erratically when the nerves for telekinesis start pumping bug juice into her brainpan.
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>>97813885
Spiral was Maiad, not Tabeni.
Stillstorm is the other Tabeni.
Talon dying because of Stillstorm's orders will give the comic narrative reason to explain Stillstorm's backstory.
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>>97833804
idk if he's said anything about it but I think Arioch's plan is to use AI for the background of interstitial scenes like the boarding action where the characters are only in a room for one or two pages. While rooms the characters will be in for long stretches (like the bridge of the bug ship, which the characters seem like they'll be on for like 100 pages) he'll 3D model them. Which I think is a sensible decision.
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>>97807704
kek wonky ass AI backgrounds on a glacially paced comic where nothing happens and they don't even fuck.
if your comic is carried entirely by pussy you should stop half-assing it and just draw porn for fuck's sake
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>>97815377
>Blender
Doesn't it take years to learn and set up a workflow on any 3d program, and isn't Blender infamous for having a steeper and longer learning curve than others?
I'm going to guess that he's doing this because of some AI assistance plugin or something because I do not see why he would consider this a worthwhile activity at this point versus any of the previous twenty five years of comics production.
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>>97837247
It could be just old-fashioned autism too.
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>>97839598
Her third great-nephew (Rain) is supposed to be a major character, but I'm not sure when he's supposed to be introduced.At least, I think the Welcome Rain that's mentioned as a character and seen in concept art is the same as the Rain used as an example of how a male would be addressed.
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>>97833921
the crab eating seaweed
perhaps too subtle
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>>97807704
It only occurred to me upon reading this thread after reading what has been made of the comic. Accounting for differential in fanbase size, this series must be contending with ASOIAF for nonsense theories and meme generation caused by going on without updates.
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>>97842914
Also, what the hell?
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>>97845580
Seems a little rude to call the theory 'nonsense' and 'what the hell' worthy. I think Fireblade having a hybridized or at least chimeric biology explains a few things in comic such as Alex's ability to perceive her, and the fact that her psychic aura is red-orange whereas every single other loroi is simple cyan. Or the author statement that she's childless. She might not be reproductively compatible with the loroi species anymore despite the empire having a manifest interest in reproducing her potential.
>>97845927
The Umiak have encountered the Historians before and have had the time and experience and technological level to develop a modicum of security. They were confident enough of their ships' systems ability to overcome the Historians that they launched an occupation force through Historian space, successfully seizing worlds without glassing them, until driven out of much of Historian space--by Loroi forces. The Loroi are also aware of the fact that the Historian construct's projector was aboard the shuttle but did not deploy it as an asset, despite putting it aboard the shuttle in recognition of it being an IT hazard; this indicates either unwillingness or inability, since ignorance can be ruled out. The human dataslate must be an unexpected special case of being just good enough to host the bot while being insecure enough to be infectored, and Umiak ships postdating their invasion through Historian space must be a nonspecial case of adequate cyberwar hardening. The virus would presumably have acted to seize the Umiak ship independently of Alex's intentions if it were possible for it to do so, since it is an agent of its own agenda and not a purely reactive extension of Alex's will.
Tempo's mindhax and especially her now-unspoilered char sheet's sensor dampening EM hax can be assumed to be the only way this could have worked.
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>>97846001
I think your theory is valid, but at least for why Fireblade has a different aura, I would lean towards the explanation that it is genuinely what her psychic presence is, and that Alex either has a special bond with her or that Fireblade's aura is powerful enough that even Alex can pick it up. Hasn't it been mentioned that Loroi "true" names usually reference their psychic presence and that their spoken names are basically shortened versions of that? In that case her name would just be a reflection of what Alex is able to sense.
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>>97851502
The Umiak show as pale white(ish), it'd make little sense for Umiak plus Loroi to suddenly become super bright and powerful.
The color is just her untrainable unsheathed psy powers.
Also, she is described as 'talking psychically in her sleep', which is somehow what Alex saw/felt.
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>>97851502
>Alex either has a special bond with her or that Fireblade's aura is powerful enough that even Alex can pick it up.
Likely both.
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>>97846001
No, you got me wrong. I don't think your theory works, and prefer the idea that her aura is different simply because she's the only one who has specifically trained her psychokinetic abilities to the extent she has, but I've suffered the ASOIAF theory that my tolerance for epileptic trees is so high that you'd need to be like 8 more layers deep to get a "what the hell" out of me. The "what the hell" is about the beards.
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>>97853439
>her aura is different simply because she's the only one who has specifically trained her psychokinetic abilities to the extent she has
Fireblade isn't special because of training. The Teidar caste is dedicated to training their psychokinesis, and every other Teidar in the Union is more comprehensively trained than Fireblade since Fireblade spent her formative years scrounging as a savage on a postapocalyptic hellscape. We have seen a vision of her personal history and there was no mentor present. Two of those heavily trained Teidar bad-touched Alex while specifically probing him. None (zero [0]) of the other Teidar were visible or tangible to Jardin at all during this interaction, much less similar to Fireblade. Fireblade's use of her power consists of doing what comes naturally to her, not anything that is contrary to her nature to which she had to be trained and conditioned, since nobody but the Umiak was running training facilities on Seren.
The Umiak however were running comprehensive programs of brainwashing and experimentation on the native population, with the presumable special focus on studying psionics. We also know that all Umiak experimentation resulted in various failures. If any such experimentation created something like Fireblade then said experiment could only be called a retarded failure since said Fireblade would have immediately exploded the facility and every research specialist inside of it. We further know that experimentation on Loroi psionics CAN succeed because we know that Loroi exist at all, and could only exist as a result of artificial and scientific development. The fact that Loroi are an ancient science artifice is extremely likely to become a plot point given Mozin's dialogue.
There are 3 important story threads that already came into contact in the backstory on Seren already; Loroi nature, the Umiak war, and Fireblade's character. They don't have to weave together, but it doesn't seem like such a stretch.
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>>97809495
It can be a good time
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>>97809495
Nope, it's been done before to great success.
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>>97858194
Yes, that is one of many reasons Fireblade's story would complement Alex's and would give Arioch the opportunity to show-don't-tell some important things tying directly into the comic's themes and current events.
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>>97863738
I want Tempo to tell me more about Loroi cuisine.
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>>97863738
Wel yes, but the Loroi would have found any such genetic tempering.
And age wise Fireblade would have been in training at the time where the Umiak occupied Seren, or am I wrong with the dates?
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Careful anon, they trick you into liking blue space elves.
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>the Loroi would have found any such genetic tempering.
Indeed. And Fireblade will dreamember in that context regarding the contrast between the experimentation of the bugs and the long hard process of healing in the halls of the elves (which will culminate in restoring her eye, 'with as much Loroi genecode restored in the organ as possible without risking your body rejecting the implant' or suchlike, if I reckon correctly). This will shape the story and provide contrast between the cultures of the Umiak, full of hard pragmatism and paranoia, and the Loroi with their warrior's honor and pride; and will prove to Alex that the Loroi are worthy of trust not just as individuals but at the societal level because they are willing to be irrational actors on the side of TRUST, just as Tempo extended trust to him, whereas the Umiak will only be irrational actors on the side of distrust. It is at this point that the Historian construct will spell out some actions a perfect rational actor would do in Alex's place and he will be able to make an informed choice. If the theory holds.
>And age wise Fireblade would have been in training at the time where the Umiak occupied Seren, or am I wrong with the dates?
https://well-of-souls.com/outsider/forum_war_history.html
2135 was when the war started and when Fireblade was born.
June of 2139 was when Seren was occupied.
She was 4 years old.
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>>97878444
Too young.
https://well-of-souls.com/outsider/forum_loroi_rites.html
>It is usually by the age of six that a daughter of warrior parentage begins formal training, by default in the same caste as her mother.
>In some cases, such as private nomadic groups or large castes such as the Soroin that have many academies, the children are enrolled locally. In others, such as more specialized castes like the Mizol, Teidar or Listel, the children are transported to a special caste academy, which may be on a different planet.
I don't know whether or not Seren would have a Teidar academy, but that isn't even relevant at the diral stage, that comes after passing the normal unspecialized survival trials:
>Now about eight years old (the Human equivalent of about sixteen), the new warriors are usually entered into the more formal education required by her military branch, lasting between two to four years, depending on the specialty. In some castes, there is a kind of apprenticeship in which trainees may be assigned to real units to complete their training (such as the Soroin Paset, assigned to real ships in a manner similar to a midshipman). In addition to specialized education and some generalized college-level subjects, this secondary education process is also used to refine the “wild” edge many of the young warriors will have developed during the child-band stage.
>During peacetime, at this stage the graduating warriors would be assigned to training units for eight to ten years. However, during the current Umiak war, as in ancient times, graduating warriors are more often than not transferred directly into active combat units.
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>>97878824
It is interesting that Arioch specifically calls out telekinesis as one of the few circumstances under which daughters of civilian mothers might be eligible for warrior trials and warrior elevation. It seems possible that Fireblade has a different shameful background as the daughter of a demoted warrior or a guild civilian.
The more likely of those two would be a demoted warrior.
The most likely cause of said demotion being incurable hereditary epilepsy, diagnosed shortly after her first pregnancy. Since we have seen evidence of Fireblade manifesting such a condition, and since peacetime warrior status would have more to do with reproductive rights and military responsibilities than with being thrown facefirst into a bloodbath it seems appropriate that certain disabilities would stand to be cause for such demotion.
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Yes.
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>>97879121
Shellshock seizures have record as both nonepileptic and epileptic types, and are more likely to be epileptic than the Vietnam era PNES diagnoses which had the advantage of denying homeless veterans permanent disability payments had indicated. Stress triggers most myoclonic epilepsies. The difference between an epileptic and a psychogenic nonepileptic seizure is that a brain scan shows normal activity in PNES, the Loroi would probably be able to communicate effectively with Fireblade if it was a PNES because they are telepaths and her brain activity would be normal.
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>>97881166
We don't know if it's PTSD, a reaction to the psychic exhaustion, or something else. Her character sheet just calls it 'post combat shakes'
Allso, she has Pyrokinesis which is probably why Alex can sense her.And she probably uses that to literally boil bug brains which is kinda scary.
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>>97882293
We do know that it's not true Epilepsy, because GURPS 3e has a separate disadvantage for that.
Epilepsy -30 points
You are subject to seizures, during which your limbs tremble
uncontrollably and you cannot speak or think clearly. (This represents
a severe form of the ailment.) Whenever you are in a very
stressful situation (especially if your life or the life of a friend is
threatened), you must roll 3 dice against your basic HT. A failed
roll will bring on a seizure lasting for 1d minutes. Needless to say,
you can do nothing while the seizure goes on, and you take 1 die of
fatigue damage as well. If you have any sort of phobia, exposure to
the object of fear is automatically a stressful situation; roll vs. HT
once every 10 minutes.
By concentrating, you may attempt to induce a seizure through
autohypnosis. This requires one minute and a successful IQ roll. A
seizure in a high-mana (magical) area will produce visions, which
may at the GM’s option be true or even prophetic.
Primitives, not understanding “fits,” are sometimes awed by
them, and may think your seizure shows a communication from the
gods. Make a reaction roll at +1. Very good results indicate worship!
Poor results will cause the savages to flee – never to attack.
Post-Combat Shakes -5 points
You are shaken and sickened by combat, but only after it's
over. As soon as all your enemies are dead or incapacitated,
your character must make a Fright Check, and you must roleplay
the results. The GM may put penalties on your Fright
Check roll if the combat was particularly dangerous or gruesome.
This disadvantage goes well with the Berserk and
Flashbacks disadvantages.
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>>97884878
Neither of these really explain why Beryl would believe being around her is dangerous. Unless you hideously fail your Fright Check the worst you get is minor damage from fainting and falling down, and generally it's a bit of fatigue damage and a few seconds' stun. Under no circumstances do you do anything more complex than fleeing in terror.
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>>97885867
Bloodlust forces a character to make a self control roll to avoid just plain killing an enemy that is downed or trying to surrender, or when attempting to bypass a sentry etc. with zero regard to stealth or other factors.
i.e. Fireblade abso-fucking-lutely hates the Umiak.
Berserk forces a character to make a self control roll whenver she loses more than 25% of hp in 1 sec, or when a loved one suffers similar damage.
Going Berserk forces her to attack whenever possible, charge teh enemy when possible, and since she has Telekinetic and Pyrokinetic powers, and can use a Telekinetic Shield. . .yeah, she probably just just starts bursting brains and force choking bugs.
If she didn't go berserk initially, she probably could not avoid it when Reed and Spiral died.
She could snap out of the Berserk rage after killing an enemy. If she didn't do that, and ran out of enemies she would attack allies.
Beryl probably knows this, which is why she wants to stay away from Firblade until she is back in control
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>>97884878
>(This represents a severe form of the ailment).
We don't know that it isn't medically diagnosable epilepsy, we know that it is not the most severe and cinematically recognizable form of epilepsy. If I wanted to play a detective with stress related focal trembles in his gun hand triggered by imminent violence or a werewolf who has nocturnal convulsions preceding sleep I would not take that disadvantage either. If a player wanted to represent a less severe form of epilepsy we would look at other disadvantages that could be taken together to represent the symptoms of the less severe form, and would agree to have a maximum point value for said disadvantages that could not exceed the -30 from the severe form.
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>whenver she loses more than 25% of hp in 1 sec,
In 3e it's just a flat 3 HP, so if you're playing something with massively increased HT or HP you can go berserk off getting the paint scratched.
>Beryl probably knows this
I'd guess that Beryl knows about the Berserk but not the Post-Combat Shakes (since she'd have no reason to have been in combat alongside Fireblade before and the Berserk is what would generate stories), and has conflated the latter as being part of the former instead of a separate follow-up thing.
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>>97887718
And Post-Combat Shakes is not a good representation of any form, because it has variable effects based on how badly you flub your Fright Check. You can't guarantee it'll give you a specific result like tremors, because it could give you minor fatigue, fainting, vomiting, panic, extra quirks, a seizure, a coma, or catatonia instead.
It's a delayed fear response.
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>>97846001
>I think Fireblade having a hybridized or at least chimeric biology explains a few things in comic such as Alex's ability to perceive her, and the fact that her psychic aura is red-orange whereas every single other loroi is simple cyan
No it does not. You just think your wild theory is connected to any of these things because you have nothing else to support your theory. IF Fireblade really were in any part Umiak she would have been euthanized by the Loroi a long time ago. She is powerful, but not so that she'd be worth keeping around.
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>>97888247
If the Loroi state is both genocidal and paranoid at the level of exterminating the victims and adversaries of their enemy due to 40kesque loathing of the taint of the xeno then humanity would be better siding against them no matter who we would be siding with.
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>>97888527
The umiak are stated to have left a bunch of modified sleeper agents, spies, etc on seren after the occupation ended, this is one of the reasons they are so suspicious of alex at the start - they think he might be some kind of gruesome biologically modified loroi sent to destabilize them in some way. If fireblade was anything other than 100% loroi with some heavy PTSD, the loroi would kill her the instant they found out about it.
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It's a 4X videogame, and the game mechanics it uses to portray space empires are what the comic is sort of based on.
The Loroi are a take on the Elerians, a feudal telepathic empire of space elves.
The Umiak are based on the Klackons, a race of insesctoids that are extremely industrious, but also ruthless.
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>-10 points
>around 11 or 12 characters long
Anything with a qualifier like Phobia, Duty, etc. would probably be too long. Physical disadvantages would probably have become visible by now.
A bunch of stuff like Cowardice, Laziness, Jealousy, Indecisiveness don't seem to fit with what's been shown.
I think these are the candidates:
Extravagance
Gregarious
Miserliness
Unluckiness
Most of those don't seem like something worth blacking out, though. Maybe Unluckiness if it were to indicate something weird going on with her that keeps attracting problems?
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>>97902833
>Beardless (from Celtic Myth) is -10
>Tempo has a bare chin in >>97833921
It's all so clear now.
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>>97902905
Gesticulation is quirk-tier, and she does have a blacked-out one but there'd be no need to hide that even back in 2006.
Rival doesn't exist as a disadvantage in GURPS 3, and a full-blown Enemy would be the right point value but probably too many characters to fit.
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>>97902930
I was just guessing, really.
I don't even know GURPS all I have is a 4th ed rulebook pdf.
It really looks like he has some rules for space combat. But it looks rather complex, which is why it would probably benfit from a virtual tabletop that does all the range calculations.