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I like Jace's daughter as a character and I wish her cards were better. There, I said it.

what the fuck is this general?

Planar standard thread? Has anyone even tried the format?

>>97888963 see >>97888941

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>>97888963
Exactly what it says. A thread for discussing Magic in all formats but without UB and SLs

>>97888969
I would be interested to. The Magic community is too castrated to be vocal against UB. Too many influencer afraid to bite the hand that feeds them will complain about UB, but then buy boxes of it to open or play it on their streams to time with releases.
It's time the community said what it wants instead of this "i don't wanna yuck someone else's yum" shit

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I am so excited for November
https://youtu.be/nolpET4mgiI

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this is the future you choose.

>>97889056
It should have been a monk bros… or a cleric.

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Tam a CUTE! I hope she has a good story in Reality Fracture

>Loved Modern post-Eye ban, pre-WotS
Is there a Nostalgia format for me? I yearn for the days of kino decks like this being semi-viable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvyEJacjEIc

>>97889090
That might be too granular, but there is pre-modern
Yugioh has shown that gamers can revolt against their overlords and disapprove of what they're printing, returning to retro formats. I think the potential is there in Magic, you just have to organize.

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The Reality Fracture leak for those who haven't seen it. Blue Chandra is basically guaranteed, rest of the Jacestice League also likely to get swaps

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The best of Reality Fracture will be get a non gay version of Strixhaven.

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>>97889263
>we would like to proudly introduce Reality Fracture, an alternate timeline where anything is possible! Have you ever wondered "what if Strixhaven wasn't gay?"
I can see it now.

In all seriousness though, I don't hate Strixhaven. I think the idea of a magic school and having to learn and study magic is neat, the bits I don't like are the American college and sportsball aspects

>>97889298
The perspective in this art is awful.

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This schedule is retarded but... Can be worse next year?

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>>97889429
This isn't a UB hate thread, it's just a no UB thread. I think speculating about how much/what UB there will be next year is against the spirit of the thread.

Just find joy in what we have.
Here, I like this Strixhaven card.

>>97888984
>Soifessor
You mean your God. He's on your side and hates UB.

>>97889494
>He's on your side and hates UB.
Why does he keep buying and playing it then?
Also
>your side
If you don't dislike UB why are you here? There are other threads for you, kindly leave.

>>97889505
show me your janny application and i'll consider it faggot

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>Strixhaven in 2 weeks then 6 months until the next set
Whelp.

>>97889535
Happens. At least we're back to 3 sets a year

>>97889535
And that's a good thing!

Is MTGO a good way to play without Universes Beyond?
If yes, Would you recommend MTGO to a newcomer in 2026?

>>97888913
If we don't have UB to complain about what do we have left?

>>97889605
Not very familiar with it but it sounds a bit cancerous to me, maybe someone else can weigh in on it.
All we need to do is connect with other people who don't like where Magic is going. That's it.
>>97889615
So you're saying Magic is perfect without UB? Dangerously based take.
But idk, you can complain about powercreep or bans, or anything your little heart desires, cutie.

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I just want one of these for each colour.
WHY, WOTC? WHY WON'T YOU COMPLETE THE SET?!

>>97889745
I think because lands are inexplicably green's "thing"
Idk man I've argued with oldheads irl about this shit, but I think it was a design mistake to make fundamental game actions like drawing cards and playing lands the domain of particular colors.
It would be like if only red was good at combat and other colors were crippled in comparison

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Predict the next female gooner card, right now.

>>97889847
I picture of my throbbing cock

>>97889893
Do you work at WotC? Otherwise I think that may be unlikely

Oko is an attainable physique, stop eating Cheetos faggoid.

>>97889847
I understand Gush now.

>>97890020
Well yeah. It's that old meme of women seeing unrealistic beauty standards and having a meltdown and men seeing them and becoming inspired, it's true.

>>97889629
>you can complain about powercreep or bans, or anything your little heart desires, cutie.
But UB is more fun. Fire design is hot garbage. What more is there to say?

>>97890085
Well anon, sounds like you've got it all solved and should go post in a different thread that better suits your tastes.

>>97889847
this meme isn't accurate,
i've never met a woman mtg player who dislikes hot female art or finds it "problematic". most seem to love it (at least if they like magic at all they prefer the nielson/ guay sexy art over the globohomo BIPOC full armor shit since R2R.
it was literally the one flat asian who bitched about being mogged by elves n shit (plus troons of course, for the same reasons) that got signalboosted by soi boys

sad

>>97890223
>this meme isn’t accurate, my anecdotal experiences…
Without a hint of irony

>>97890223
True
>>97890300
Angry that his anecdote was countered by an anecdote

>>97889847
Jace might get something kind of seductive if he’s the villain of Reality Fracture

>>97888969
I checked the meta document and I was not feeling it. Just nothing unique, just the same control/midrange/combo stuff. The last few sets have been kind of "meh" mechanics wise so it just feels like an uninspired meta. Not a bad meta, just generic and boring.

>>97889090
There was a sweet spot right around before the first modern horizons set in which modern meta was incredible. Diverse, fun, interesting, prices were mostly stable, fun stuff.

>>97889745
>>97889755
You could have each color having a different permanent as a land, but they already fucked that up by having all the 5 colors artifact lands.

>>97890362
Are there enough permanent types to allow for that though?
Creature, Artifact, enchantment…planeswalker? Battle???

>>97890397
A 0 mana instant that makes a token land and count as your land drop? Same for a sorcery spell?

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>>97890397
You totally could for planeswalker. A battle land would be doable too, I don't see why not. Main issue would be the issue that dryad arbor already has, clarity issues when considering attackers/blockers.

>>97890435
If you made an instant/sorcery that would have to go to blue so which colour would take artifact? Red? Like a treasure land? Maybe but then who the fuck takes battles? Because that seems red or black
>>97890437
What color would the planeswalker be thouuuuugh

>>97890444
G = 1/1 creature
R = battle that you can defeat to make it tap for RR
B = planeswalker it's yawg reawakened in urborg, you can throw in a dark ritual reference for the memberberries
U = artifact that can do some new shit I guess idk
W = enchantment aura that gives some benefit to the enchanted creature while the land is untapped

>>97890460
You could give the U Artifact reconfigure and it only taps for mana when it’s not a creature?

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Jurassic Park is back online!

>>97890348
What does it take for a meta to be exciting to you though? It feels like the sort of thing that is so subjective that it becomes meaningless

>>97890348
Well it's mostly about aesthetic identity rather than gameplay identity, it's for people like me who want to play standard but can't stand ub

>>97889459
nta but can it get better then?
what real magic sets are on the table next year. I have seen some speculate about alara but I have no idea if that is based on some blogatog post.

>>97889535
honestly that's exactly what I wanted, less sets a year. it was getting exhausting

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>>97890749
The magic word in question

>>97890789
Honestly UB should always have been a different format. Even as a Commander player I didn’t like its inclusion. I got into Magic for Magic, UB was forced on us

Now is the time to speak up
>>97890790
Not aware of any leaks. It’ll all come in time one way or another

Lorwyn was my number 1 pick to return to but they didn’t reprint a lot of the cards I think they should have.
I’m also partial to Eldraine, but I don’t want to keep going back there too frequently.
I think Kaldheim never really got its moment and a revisit there could be deserved. Theros or Amonkhet could also be good, gods were neat

>>97890348
>the meta doc
there already is one?

>>97889298
>I think the idea of a magic school and having to learn and study magic is neat

A magic school is a great idea. A magic school that encompasses an entire plane of existence is a retarded idea.

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You lost.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnxjY1an_i0

>>97890933
>A magic school that encompasses an entire plane of existence is a retarded idea.
As far as I'm aware the school isn't the entire plane. But even if it was I don't see how that's any sillier than Ravnica. It's just a feature of the planar multiverse thing going on, inevitably they will have a neat idea and stick to the design philosophy of "the whole plane is like this"

Came back to playing arena because I realized every other game is either worse or doesn't have an online client.
Honestly I also really like how pretty much every cosmetic in this client can be obtained later on even if you miss it, really minimizes fomo.
But why don't we have a /vg/ general? Feels really weird for a game as big as magic to not be able to maintain a general there when yugioh has multiple.
Also I really hate the whole spiderman/ninja turtles shit that is happening. Probably a really bad time to return to this game just for that but alas.
Reposting this because apparently I posted it on the dead thread.

>>97891001
>But why don't we have a /vg/ general?
Could always make one, friend
>Also I really hate the whole spiderman/ninja turtles shit that is happening.
Yeah LotR and Final Fantashit made millions of dollars so the Hasbro execs are going to keep cranking the slot machine looking for another million dollar IP. Fortunately rumor is that they're getting a bit skittish since Spider-Man performed severely under expectations. Avatar did well, but it's looking like Turtles didn't.
It could really go either way, but we won't know for 2 years since that's the lag time between design of a set and its release. There's guaranteed to be a couple more years of this shit at least.
But if we organise like we have been doing, WotC could be pressured into at least not allowing UB to be legal and that would be a win

>>97890985
>I don't see how that's any sillier than Ravnica

You can't have a functioning economy or anything at all if literally all you have is a fucking school. If all jobs are teachers and if everything anybody does is study to become a teacher. It's not a functioning model for a society of any size, even a city let alone an entire world. Ravnica is retarded too but at least it has a whole ecosystem going on with tons of different people doing different jobs.

Incidentally this kind of shit (reducing each nu-plane to one theme with zero depth or thought) is why all planes after Innistrad suck dick.

>>97891007
There are so many online formats at this point that they should just give us a no UB standard or something.
I am not even a huge magic nerd, my experience with the game is relatively little and I mostly dip my toe in a variety of tcgs, but seeing this ninja turtle shit is really sucking my enjoyment of this game.
I only first started playing magic when arena was in beta. Ixalan was like my first set and aesthetically at least I really enjoyed it.
Thinking back at it, War of the spark really felt like the beginning of this UB shit that is happening. Sure it wasn't actually UB, but it was basically an avengers rip off and feels like the beginning of wotc trying to use pop culture to lure new players in.

>>97890833
honestly I'd prefer going to some yet to explore planes (no, not muraganda). lorwyn had some cool cards but I don't reeally care about tribal heavy settings. I don't mind a return to set as long as it's not like the travesty that was aetherdrift

>>97891013
Why does a plane need a functioning economy? The current lore is that anyone can travel the Omen Paths without a Spark, why couldn’t people just visit Strixhaven?

As it happens, the school isn’t even the entire plane. Apparently the school is located on the northern continent of the plane of Arcavios, so there you go

>>97891025
>Not Muraganda
WTF?

>>97891029
The current lore can suck my dick and omenpaths have existed for literally like a month in story time. One month. What the fuck did they do in the millions of years before them, when only like 50 people in the whole multiverse could planeswalk? What will they do when the omenpaths are gone and removed from the lore?

>>97891001
For some reason the people who play Arena only post about playing Draft formats, or argue over who is a bot and how rigged the game is. Can't keep a general alive with that.

>>97891001
Arena /vg/ thread was literally destroyed by schizophrenic poster, systematically shitting the thread

>>97891025
Vryn and Regatha are probably the two most obvious unexplored planes because of their connections to Jace and Chandra, respectively.
Xerex won that Phyrexia Battle voting thing (Vryn was second), but it's whole point was that it's nonsensical world full of geometrical oddities and physics fuckery that mindbroke Phyrexians so I'm not sure if current MtG developers can make it work.

Echoir sounds interesting - a plane with big-ass castle where giant Titan collects various creatures from other planes.

You can probably write some hype-ass story set in Equilor, as it's supposed to be one of the oldest planes in multiverse with it's human inhabitants being long living and supposedly on Urza's powerlevel.

There's plenty of planechase and book/comics planes that feel too specific theme-wise or gimmicky to work as settings for separate sets but would be interesting to see. I hated what WoTC did with Aetherdrift, but a travel-themed sets letting us to see these places would be okay?

Also Angrath's home plane because Angrath is based. We know only know that it has minotaurs and probably dragons and is close to Kaldheim.

>>97890985
Ravnicacworks because of scale

The biggest universities maybe take up a few city blocks

>>97891029
>The current lore is that anyone can travel the Omen Paths without a Spark, why couldn’t people just visit Strixhaven?
Strixhaven is pre-Omenpath

>>97891029
>why couldn’t people just visit Strixhaven?
You need a visa.

>>97891023
Yeah it's been a long road.
>Sure it wasn't actually UB, but it was basically an avengers rip off
And it only got worse from there, developing into what people in the community commonly refer to as "hat sets". Prime examples being Murders at Karlov Manor where the hat was a detective hat, and Outlaws of Thunder Junction where the hat was a cowboy hat.
Felt like they were raising the temperature to get people used to sets essentially based on movie genres

>>97891039
>>97891138
>>97891168
All of this is redundant because as I already said the university is not the entire plane as it turns out. The plane is Arcavios and Strixhaven is a location in it

UB won.

>>97891240
>t.oink oink oink

Just ignore him and he will kill himself. The fact that he is seething so bad at the mere existence of a thread contrary to his views that he feels compelled to spam his anger about it is an L

>>97889076
Monkman here.

No, this has no monkly quality.

>>97891038
the vanilla creature gimmick is not for me. MAYBE if it was s non-creature spell centered set but I doubt that
>>97891119
there is a lot of potential. I just wanna know what the hell is going on with garruk. hopefully he shows up in fractured but whole

>>97890786
Variety in strategies, different top decks having different wincons, etc. Modern used to be good when decks like Living End, Taking turns, Burn, Death's Shadows, Ponza, etc. All were either Tier 1 or 2 and were competitive and played mostly different from each other. The meta doc I saw was mostly just goblin decks, Temu combo and Azorius control, some of the most basic strategies and a huge chunk of the metagame.

>But you are comparing an eternal format meta to a standard meta
That's true, but even with that in mind we've had more diverse metas before, like the meta right after War of the Spark, before the bans ramped up and the set release pacing exploded. That level of variety is what appeals to me and Astral Standard isn't there for me yet due to the current bland game design policy WotC has.

>>97890924
An anon linked to me on the main MTG thread a week or so ago and it was pretty through. I don't know where the link is right now, however.

>>97891072
Why would you play arean for any constructed format? It takes ages to build any competitive deck due to the terrible wildcard economy and you can just buy Tabletop Simulator and build any deck you want if you want to play casually anyways.

>>97891007
>nope we are never going to pressure wotc to make UW better no sir
This is why your fever dream will never work, you've focused on the entirely wrong thing fool

>he's still seething about this thread's mere existence
lol

reposting because of thread autism

please help me pick which 8 cards i should get rid of, i dont know shit about how to round out a deck im just buying a bunch of upgrades everyone says are good

https://moxfield.com/decks/8uOhu266EE-K3SFSFA1gQw

Damn.
Is this real?
A thread to discuss Planar Standard and /ccg/ in peace, without gay corporate garbage?

Fuck yeah, I'm in. Abandon ship from the old threads, lad.

>>97891560
Funny how this thread sprouted from /edhg/ and not /mtg/, really gets the noggin' joggin'

>>97890985
Ravnica works because the guilds all fulfill different roles in society, and together they form something that resembles a complete society. Strixhaven doesn't work because literally all we know about the plane is "there are five dragons, Archaics, and the wizard school." They copypasted Harry Potter without thinking about what happens outside of Hogwarts. Even Ikoria has a more fleshed out setting.

>>97891399
I found a drive doc about the meta
https://drive.google.com/file/d/10eYFlIVV8h6BAncQJ2KMNwq_EztNDzuB/view
>azorius has 80%+ winrate

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I don't like UB but grixis Azula card is fucking baller
How do I reconcile with this fact

>>97891119
>Also Angrath's home plane because Angrath is based.
Aranzhur was as good as destroyed per the new Strixhaven novel. It physically remains but got wrecked to the point where it no longer supports life. Angrath and his family fucked off from there. He was last heard from planning to relocate survivors of his plane to Innistrad.

>>97891535
there's a lot but these popped out
your curve is quite high considering how little ramp you got. but not only that, your low end has cards like gravecrawler which is doesn't do very much in this deck since you have very few sacrifice outlets for it to keep casting it over and over. worst case you'll only get one measly trigger
I know it's very tempting to put high cost setup pieces in the deck but you gotta cut cards like obnix, meren and junji for the same reasons
anything that needs 2 or more hoops to jump through and start with the more expesive ones

>>97891596
All sets are hat sets because the people in charge of building lore think of planes as Rick and Morty universes
>Wowee Rick this whole plane is a school

>>97891656
Just accept that mtg is going to be weiss schwarz

>>97891560
Redpill me on planar standard, what are the rules and where can i play?
>>97891656
Just have principles, easy as that.

>>97891714
>just have principles like tolerating the wotc troons making shitty UW
Lol

>>97891635
Yeah, that was the one I read. As I said, not really interesting meta wise.

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And least Adams' will get paid.

>>97891882
Wow, looks like shit.
We should include Secret Lairs in the "Fuck off to the slop containment thread" too.

>>97888969
yes, is a low power format
is not bad but a little slow for the average standard player

>>97891882
That's some really boring and generic card effect.

>>97891994
It’s for wholesome chungus Commander “let’s all play passive to show off our decks”

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I AM FUCKING STARVING FOR GOOD IN UNIVERSE CARD ART. IM SO TIRED OF EVERYTHING LOOKING LIKE HEARTHSTONE.

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>>97892034
>IM SO TIRED OF EVERYTHING LOOKING LIKE HEARTHSTONE.
Best I can do is "Even gayer and shitter than Hearthstone"

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>>97892034
What about this one?

>>97891656
Buy the UB cards you do like and don't buy the ones you don't like like a normal human.

>>97891882
Damn... so this means rimworld is possible. I'm sorry bros I'm gonna have to consoom if that happens.

>>97892046
damn, reminds me of old magic art. very classy and the other pieces were good too

>>97892051
>>97892095
once you do that it's required you switch to the containment general

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>>97892111
What about this one? I like this one, too.

>>97892112
I'm just waiting for the new /edhg/, so I'll be leaving once it's up. Spending all day arguing about UB is a waste of energy, time, and semen.

>>97892095
Why would anyone live on Rimjob World?

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Mtg art died when Terese Nielsen was fired

>fired
She was never employed.

>>97892231
Don't bother. It will never register with anons that there's a difference between being an employee and being an independent contractor. Trying to educate them is a waste of energy.

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>>97892231
>>97892273
Jewish word-game pilpulling technicality gymnastics are boring. Let's say "canceled" instead is that better you freaks?

So... What's the best MtG book series?

>>97892324
Lord of the Rings

>>97892324
Ravnica block is like a 7/10 Discworld which is still quite enjoyable.
I like "Tapestries" which is an anthology of the super-old lore (pre-Dominaria) and I think there is one other anthology from that time as well.

>>97892286
No. She stopped receiving commissions is the phrase you are looking for.

>>97892324
https://www.docdroid.net/f3zSDG0/children-of-the-nameless-pdf
This is the best mtg book and it's free.

>>97892332
>LotR
Get that UB shit out of here.

>>97892324
I heard teysa gets raped in one

>>97892136
I do like it and the other ones by that same artist. the archaics in general have the more interesting pieces

>>97892324
Agents of Artifice

Im looking at the theorycrafting for SOS and god everything looks like shit bros

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Gonna build this Chad. Give me some cards that go stupid in a go-wide Selesnya tokens deck. Extra points if they somehow exploit his sacrifice ability.

>>97892497
Are you slow?

>>97892497
Selesnya is very good with CoCo in Pioneer for example but trying to make a go wide deck in formats where the game don't last past turn 3 is very hard anon

>>97892497
Looks like a fun deck. I might build one too to compliment my Darien mono white.

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Alela Anthem/Enchantress EDH deck with light Faerie synergy and a basic gameplan of utilizing control and Anthem enchantments to stall until I have an army of beefed up flying tokens to swing and win with.
Yay or nay?

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>>97892497
The other anon isn't wrong. That's like the most straightforward commander ever. What kind of tricks are you expecting? You could go heavy on wraths I guess, use stuff like cryptolith rite to close the gap on command tax. There's really nothing cool or special to do with him. I'll always recommend picrel for token decks.

>Dwarf Fortress Secret Lair confirmed
Sorry, I'm swallowing the UB pill

>>97892540
>Israel
Oh hell yeah

>>97892533
I do something similar except with artifacts. It's silly.

>>97892540
askers?

>>97892556
Me.

>>97892540
This is how 100% of anti-UB people are. Once they get something they genuinely love, they'll buy it and cope about how it's "only that one".

>>97892578
You think that because you are a pig yourself. The reality is 100% of people with self respect will not bite that garbage even if they like the IP, simply because some IPs are not mean for Magic.

I like Rick & Morty but it would be shit to see it in MTG as a set.

>>97892584
>The reality is 100% of people with self respect-
Stopped reading at your weird self-righteous, self-congratulations. I'll wait til you get the thing you want, and until then you can continue to scream.

>>97892578
I mean, yes, but also if you offer me a non rotating format without UB, I will happily give it a try.
That's why I play Pioneer. It was the last vestige of pure Magic left.

>>97892584
If the UB selectors had better taste and cared about the tone of Magic, we wouldn't really be having this discussion. Then again, we also have the problem with Secret Lairs and any other limited product working as a pseudo reserve list to drive up prices for scalpers. Magic's got a lot of holes in it these days.
>captcha is STILL fucked
God I hate this.

>>97892578
Normies can't even get a brewery started. Fuck off. Dwarf Fort is cool and /tg/-adjacent

>>97892633
I was suggesting that anyone Anti-UB is like you. You like something that you consider fitting enough and that's fine. I want you to buy stuff you like and support crossovers you think fit the game.

yeah i play counterfeit duals
yeah i pass them off as real for street cred
so what?

>>97892685
>yeah i play counterfeit duals
Based
>yeah i pass them off as real
Cringe
>for street cred
Nigger you play magic, you have no street cred.

>>97892578
cry about it in /edhg/ for the thousandth time, they love seeing the same posts over and over and over and over again

>>97893027
Cry about what? Telling someone to enjoy what they enjoy? I didn't get so upset that I started a thread throwing a fit about UB lmao

>>97893064
you are so blindingly upset about people not being slop-eating little piggies like you that you can't even fathom that people who dislike UB could possibly also like some of the most popular fantasy/"nerd" franchises in the world.

Like in what universe could you possibly consider it impossible for someone to dislike and not support Magic the Gathering Universes Beyond and like fucking Lord of the Rings at the same time

>>97893077
>Y-YOU'RE MAD
>I'M GONNA MAKE MY OWN SANDBOX AND TELL EVERYONE I HATE THAT THING BUT I'M NOT ANGRY-
Please. Please do go on about how not-mad you are. Make another thread about how not-upset you are right now.

>>97893095
yeah yeah just ignore the point and keep whining, we've all seen this a million times in /edhg/.

>>97889429
if next year is less than 6 sets I'll be happy
If it's just three regular sets, the last marvel UB, and something that actually feels in line with magic and not horribly memeworthy (ie something like Naruto, and thus every thread is that one Sasuke art as a different bonus sheet card) then I think I will refrain from complaining that much

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>>97893111
I just want an original, properly fleshed out plane that isn't a hat set

and no Planeswalkers.

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>>97893111
>if next year is less than 6 sets

>>97893104
>n-no you're whining

>start thread having a hissy fit about UB
>lash out at the basic concept of buy what you like and don't buy what you don't
>everyone else is angry

>>97893122
have we gotten a single new plane that wasn't just a hat set with or without effort put into it since Innistrad, besides Tarkir?
>Gothic horror plane
>Greek mythology plane
>Nordic mythology plane
>South America plane
>Dinosaur plane

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Which deck should I play for next premodern in 2 weeks?
>Previously played, don't want to play again for now
Survival Infestation aggro
Standstill aggro (Flippi, UW weenie)
Blood Oath sligh
Stasis
It's proxy friendly so I can just print out whatever deck I want; price isn't an issue. I'd prefer not to play decks like FEB that require a gorillion matches to become good with. For whatever reason although I prefer combo in legacy I prefer fair decks in premodern.

>>97893122
I would like them to do a set in Fiora, Leovold's plane. Given the quality of lore friendly sets lately though I wouldn't hold my breath.

Premodern bros come home

>>97893170
Kaladesh I guess? It's vaguely Indian themed but I wouldn't call it a hat set/plane like its contemporaries Ixalan and Amonkhet

>>97888913
strixhaven is literally a harry potter UB though

>>97888913
>5 color Ashling both looks nothing like Ashling and isn't actually five color
bit disappointing all around, really

>>97892497
Wow, a go-wide tokens selesnya deck? Feeling bold today, huh?

>>97893189
Id say that counts in the same way Tarkir (which is just mongolia with dragons) does as a non hat-set plane, it's a weird mashup of jeets and jeetmobiles but it's not just dude the mahabharata lmao

>>97893200
It's a hat set plane where the walkers play as teachers

>>97893229
hat sets are spiritually UB

I'm confused. Is this not the edh general? What is going on.

>>97893244
We're taking it back

>>97893244
Have you tried reading the OP?

>>97892685
>>97892818
It’s an /edhg/ shitpost. Just that same pro-UB troll seething that this thread is successful and trying to devolve it into an unusable shit-flinging mess

>>97892578
Nope. I got into Magic for Magic. I know what IP would tempt me and I’d still have no problem refusing it because I think UB is bad for Magic as a whole.
Avatar was a franchize I liked a lot. I rewatched the whole original series when the UB announced, but I haven’t even TOUCHED an Avatar Magic card, let alone spent any money on them

>>97893244
Have you tried reading the OP?

>>97893255
>I made an entire thread to whine about UB
Well, it beats you losers shitting up /edhg/ all day.

>>97892578
For me that franchise is Magic the Gathering.

>>97893544
>Strixhaven enjoyer
>thunder junction enjoyer
>detective ravnica enjoyer
ew I'd rather 3 more FF sets over shit like that.

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Long-term wise focusing on third party licenses is kind of bad business overall. Not really /tg/ related, but look what happened to Funko Pop and Fortnite. FP announced that they may go bankrupt very soon and Fortnite bunch of alternative game modes and fired bunch of people. Licenses are expensive and if your core product is shit, it does not matter if it's tied to popular franchise.
Finding proper franchise to turn into cash is pretty difficult, too - you want something popular but also something that does not have already tons of merch. FF, Avatar and LoTR were kind of lucky shots because they all are extremely popular franchises with merch-starving fandoms.

>>97893601
I guess what I'm trying to say is that Mark Rosewater is a massive copium-smoking faggot that is driving MTG into the ground because in his retarded head he thinks that putting SPOIDAMAN on poorly designed and printed cards is somehow making them less poorly designed and printed.

>>97893572
Yes yes, UBrown, we know you're trans, no need to mention that your favorite franchise is the queerest one ever to interact with Magic.

>>97893612
This is by far the copiest cope of the thread aside from the OP

>>97893357
>an entire thread to whine about UB
Sir, this is a thread to ignore UB. Read the OP.
>>97893601
Same goes for you. We're not interested in talking about what a bad decision UB is. The point of this thread is to act like it doesn't exist, kindly keep to the OP.

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>>97889615
>>97889629
>>97890122
FIRE cards
https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/746/spectral-sailor
https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/139/dragon-sniper

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>>97892040
At least post the UW version

>>97893170
Mythology isn't a hat set. Innistrad would be a hat set by your own standard because it is gothic horror, zombies, werewolves, vampires etc.

Leech Collector AND Transit Mage?
We're hitting the limits.

>>97893177
Whats your preferred playstyle/colors? Start there

>>97893852
I believe that's what he's saying. Outside of Tarkir and Kaladesh, every new plane introduced since Innistrad (inclusive) has been a hat set/planes. Some have more effort put into them and are enjoyable as settings, but they're all still starting from the point of planet of hats.

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>>97893992
Eh feels like the definition of "hat" to some people just means a genre they're familiar with or has recently been popular. Recent here meaning like within a century.

How is Lorwyn NOT a hat set if Innistrad is? It's the fairytale hat, before Eldraine. In fact you could even go 1 further and say it's the D&D set before the D&D set because Lorwyn and Shadowmoor are basically one to one fucking rip offs of the Feywild and Shadowfell in D&D.

I think it muddies the waters too much to get upset about Magic taking inspiration from popular fantasy or mythology. Hat sets to me are more specifically sets clearly trying to recreate a genre or setting that has been in cinema in the last 50 years.
Gangster movies, westerns, magic schools, noir etc etc etc.
With an emphasis on making existing characters play roles in that genre
By that definition Capenna was the first true hat set.

>>97894032
Shadows Over Innistrad is the first "true" hat set with Jace inexplicably wearing the detective coat

>>97894041
Bit of a stretch. Probably easier to just says its the seed that grew into hat sets.

Is Ixalan a hat plane, because there are distinct factions? And pirates wear hats?
I like pirates. I like Ixalan.

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>>97894052
I would say not because it wasn't really riffing on a movie genre or forcing pre-existing characters to engage with movie tropes.
It was just playing on the Spanish conquest and lost-world dinosaurs. Fair game imo.

An existing character engaging with tropes is the biggest signal of a hat set to me
>a powerful queen is going to dress like a common outlaw and go on a heist cos it's the cowboy set!!!!

>>97894052
No, that's not what a hat set is. Lets take the most obvious hat set: Outlaws of Thunder Junction. It's the cowboy set, everyone is some variation of cowboy and wild west-themed there. Including characters who really, really shouldn't be. Rakdos goes to Thunder Junction? He gets a vest, bandolier and cowboy hat! Marchesa goes to Thunder Junction? That's right, she's now a wild west showgirl (or something, I can't be assed to look up her art)!
Ixalan, by contrast, doesn't have anyone who goes there suddenly turn into a pirate. There are things other than pirates in Ixalan, and not everything there is immediately recognizable as a specific (usually movie-related and recognizable to normies) trope. So the past Ixalan sets are not to be considered hat sets (future sets might be, like murders, which is set on ravnica but very much a hat set).

>>97894051
Also Jace has been a "heady" character at least since he was involved in the mazer run in Dragon's maze. Who else in the gatewatch would be in charge of investigating what was happening in Innistrad? Chandra? Nissa? At best Gideon, but he was never the type of guy to investigate stuff either. In the context of the setting at the time, Jace was the only actual option.

Execution also something important when putting down "hat sets". Hat sets, in my opinion, also has to have the feel of something that isn't a natural progression of the story or setting. I wouldn't say SOI is a hat set because the investigation aspect is something that makes sense as a continuation of the BfZ plot where one of the titans was missing and Nahiri, one of the people in charge of sealing the Eldrazi, was also missing in action and they had to figure out what was happening. The transition into a mystery makes more sense.

Hat sets like Thunder Junction, Markov, Aetherdrift, etc feels more like the writers don't want to actually bother with a consistent plot or world and just want to do these "fun" concepts and force the characters that already exist in this template they want to do instead of what would be a good fit for the setting that already exists.

Execution, execution, execution. The reason why the more "thematic" sets feel more like playhouse versions of previous thematic sets is because the writing and atmosphere mostly suck in terms of quality. Characters that had not business being involved in these sets are mostly acting out of character or completely outside of what they care, stories bend themselves over to fit these new ideas, etc. It's like the whole storyline and character development took a break for a joke episode that isn't particularly funny or entertaining, actual filler.

>>97894052
>>97894063
It's a hat set because Jace is dressed up like a castaway and Vraska is dressed up like a pirate

>>97894051
Also Jace has been a "heady" character at least since he was involved in the maze run in Dragon's maze. Who else in the gatewatch would be in charge of investigating what was happening in Innistrad? Chandra? Nissa? At best Gideon, but he was never the type of guy to investigate stuff either. In the context of the setting at the time, Jace was the only actual option.

Execution also something important when putting down "hat sets". Hat sets, in my opinion, also has to have the feel of something that isn't a natural progression of the story or setting. I wouldn't say SOI is a hat set because the investigation aspect is something that makes sense as a continuation of the BfZ plot where one of the titans was missing and Nahiri, one of the people in charge of sealing the Eldrazi, was also missing in action and they had to figure out what was happening. The transition into a mystery makes more sense.

Hat sets like Thunder Junction, Markov, Aetherdrift, etc feels more like the writers don't want to actually bother with a consistent plot or world and just want to do these "fun" concepts and force the characters that already exist in this template they want to do instead of what would be a good fit for the setting that already exists.

Execution, execution, execution. The reason why the more "thematic" sets feel more like playhouse versions of previous thematic sets is because the writing and atmosphere mostly suck in terms of quality. Characters that had not business being involved in these sets are mostly acting out of character or completely outside of what they care, stories bend themselves over to fit these new ideas, etc. It's like the whole storyline and character development took a break for a joke episode that isn't particularly funny or entertaining, actual filler.

>>97894089
>>97894104
Sorry for the double post, fucking 4chan's captcha has been fucking up since yesterday.

>>97894091
No, because there's a proper plot reason for them to be there and for Jace to be a Castaway. This anon here has the proper idea: >>97894063

It's about characters and the story simply changing completely to fit the "aesthetics" of the set just for the sake of it.

>>97894111
There's a plot reason for Elspeth to be on New Capenna and dressed up as a flapper, but that's still a hat set

>>97894227
Borderline, there's still plot reasons and, as you said, Elspeth has reasons to be there and also Urabraska and such. In my mind, the hat sets are unarguably Thunder Junction, Markov and Aetherdrift. The "plot" reasons are slim at best, it's just about trying a setting for the sake of trying and barely any interesting design space.

New Capenna and Duskmorn are botherline, with Duskmourn closer to the Hat Set definition, but I'll give New Capenna more of a pass because it doesn't change a well established setting like Markov did, didn't just create a new set out of nowhere just for the sake of a shallow theme while shoving characters there for no reason like Thunder and to an extent Aetherdrift did.

I'll die on the hill of the three ones I mentioned being undeniably hat sets, however.

I used to think 4 sets a year was fine, but going down to 3 sets a year is proving to be really comfy bros. It's nice to have breathing room to really feel out sets and environments.

>>97894227
It's a matter of intention. I don't think the purpose of Ixalan was to have Jace play castaway, I think that's just the role in the story they had to give him.
I do think the purpose of Capenna was to have characters larp as roaring 20s gangsters

>>97894304
I like it too. Wish WotC would do longer print runs though, it is quite tiresome that good sets sell out and it becomes hard to support my LGS because they don't have anything.
They only recently restocked on Bloomburrow. Fucking BLOOMBURROW. Lorwyn restock in a year I guess.

>>97894304
Is incredible how little i cared and how uninportant to me has been the late UB sets in my contact with MTG i hard skipped ATLA and did the same with TMNT and will do the same with Trek and Marvel Slop.

>>97894395
Not a thread for talking about UB, don't need to hear you're avoiding it just act like it doesn't exist

>>97892046
Yeah that's the good shit

>>97894089
>Hat sets like Thunder Junction, Markov, Aetherdrift, etc feels more like the writers don't want to actually bother with a consistent plot or world and just want to do these "fun" concepts
I'll agree DFT was conceived that way but I wouldn't put it in the same tier as OTJ. Despite the ridiculous premise it does do a fair bit of worldbuilding for Avishkar/Kaladesh and Amonkhet, and irons out some of the new interplanar politics that weren't really touched on much in the sets prior. It's not like OTJ which was completely plot-driven and dropped the characters wearing cosplay in an empty sandbox.

>>97891560
Lots of custom cards are inspired by other IPs. /ccg/ can only live on its own.

>>97894735
DFT was bad though. Whatever idiot came up with death races for Magic needs a pay cut. I also hate that we revisited Amonkhet but most of the cards were tainted with that shitty Start Your Engines! mechanic which we will literally never see again.
I've said it once and I'll say it again, I do not think Magic benefits from every set having a new keyword. I think existing keywords and mechanics being revisited would be more interesting. I'd rather see Rooms actually become playable than just hyperactively jump to the next thing constantly

>>97895187
that's what comes of every set needing to be a new thing, I suppose

Can we even post the new secret lair outside of /mlp/?

>>97895382
Honestly that rule just needs abolished and replaced with "posting wojak memes"

>>97895519
Incorrect, furry faggot pedo

>>97895538
Are you barniefag? Nobody outside of /co/ gives a shit anymore.

>>97895630
When faggots like you get a containment board, it means nobody wants you interacting with them. K pop bullshit is the next thing that needs to be globally banned.

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how would you rate the condition of this chronicles city of brass??

poor rated ones start at 15€ at cardmarket, but mine is for sure more worth than that right?

>>97895187
>I've said it once and I'll say it again, I do not think Magic benefits from every set having a new keyword.

Agreed 100%. There's so many shitty gimmick mechanics created just to have the required amount of new keywords per set. And 90% of them are just a special case of Kicker anyway.

>>97895754
Lightly played at worst. Pretty nice stuff.

>>97895754
bit of wear on the bottom, could probably get away with LP

>>97895759
Can you Forage for an example or maybe Collect some Evidence to back up your claim?

>>97895202
Yeah it’s not a system designed for visiting so many planes just once, but you’d think someone on the design team would suggest changing their approach.
I think the best keyword of the last few (-UB)sets has been blight probably. It’s an interesting “cost” to tack onto normal cards to justify reducing their mana value. Incredibly powerful in -1/-1 decks of course.
Other than that I don’t even know. Warp is good, I fucking love warping in Starwinder and telling people it says I draw for each damage dealt to face and not for each creature that connected. But again, so few cards printed with it that are worth playing and we all know when we’ll next see warp in a set…

>>97895382
You can’t post it in this thread regardless. Go on, the whole fucking board is your playground, I don’t get what your obsession is with trolling here.

>>97895769
Things like forage and collect evidence arent *really* new rules though, they're just name gimmicks for stuff that can be printed without rule changes

>>97895886
>>97895769
I don't even mind forage, I think squirrels effectively getting a tribal keyword is cool, but like everything else we have no idea when we'll ever see it again

>>97895769
>>97895886
4chan is fucking dying. I tried to post earlier, to the effect of:
I actually liked forage as a tribal keyword for squirrels but like everything else they didn't print enough of it and we might not see it again for years.

>>97896265
Again, not a thread for complaining about UB, just pretend it doesn't exist.

>>97892324
The Thran and The Brothers War are great. Prequel/beginning of the artifacts cycle and also the best in that series. Covers the rise of Yawgmoth and Urza vs Mishra.

Ice Age cycle (The Gathering Dark, Eternal Ice, Shattered Alliance) I loved in high school. Jodah and Jaya Ballard are fun to read.

Chainer's Torment is my favorite, great story and you can treat as a self contained novel if you want. Chainer and Kamahl are bros.

>>97892324
Not the best but I think the weatherlight crew is overhated. The rath stuff is good and Mercandian Masques is a fun fish out of water adventure. Invasion block is sadly proto avengers endgame despite being good in game.

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>>97892324
Seconding the Brothers' War, Grubbkino is always worth a read. For pre-revision I'm particularly partial to Ashes of the Sun, but if you're not in the mood for Hurloon minotaur politics it's not likely to appeal to you. For nuWalker content, Agents of Artifice and Test of Metal are the only ones I can recommend, but I did stop reading after Scars of Mirrodin's rather dreadful novel.

My most controversial pick would be the Onlsaught cycle, books so divisive that they were officially retconned and remain despised by a lower class of intellects too base to appreciate unmen, angel-leopard-centaurs or Jeska's absolute clusterfuck of a journey. Every day I lament being in the timeline that Yawgmoth's reveal was retconned and we got the unbelievably gay nuPhyrexia instead of the true Phyrexia's return

for me it was fallout

>>97896388
How bout you falloutta this thread instead of constantly mentioning UB when the OP tells you to pretend it doesn’t exist?

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Why haven't people liked this since it left Standard? Especially with ways to prevent and knock off counters?

>>97896401
Faggotry,
Faggotry never changes

>>97896479
In what formats?

>>97896499
Any where it's legal, really. Ten deep card search, deck thinning. I haven't seen it used since it was in Standard.

>>97896537
I don’t like old bordered cards. They’re ugly

>>97896557
Incorrect. However, YOU are certifiably ugly.

>>97894032
You are actually clinically retarded if you consider Lorwyn a hat set

>>97894032
>How is Lorwyn NOT a hat set if Innistrad is?
Well, first off it has no humans, so ninety-nine percent of actual fairy tales are eliminated.
>>97894041
Nah, that's the original Innistrad, which is the "Twilight" hat.

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>>97893937
Well I described playstyle above, but to be more specific I tend to lean away from blue or control although I'm not opposed to them. Flippi and Survival Infestation have been my preferred decks so far, but I'd like to try a variety.

>>97892231
And you were never a woman no matter how much troonshine you chug.

>>97896640
The point was that it is an absurd assertion, dumbass.
>>97896746
>>97896746
>first off it has no humans, so ninety-nine percent of actual fairy tales are eliminated.
Why would that matter? First of all there's fairytales without humans, usually the ones about fairies and elves. But even if not, OG Lorwyn was from a time when WotC still gave a shit about the players being planeswalkers and visiting the planes, so you as the player are in the role of your snow white or whatever the fuck else.

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>>97892533
It's fine. I dunno, I have such a weakness for tribal decks, I have like 6 of them, I can't imagine building Alela as anything other than faeries, and other Alela is already strictly better for that. Arguably pic related is now even better and all legendary faeries that can, go in the 99.

There are also just better esper artifacts and/or enchantress commanders.
I think if I HAD to build Provocateur I would probably build it as equipment for the lols. Get a body to equip to every time I cast an equip spell, reduce equip costs to 0, swing with jacked up faeries

>>97896537
Read the last line

>>97897544
Playing the opponents' deck is such a boring archetype.

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>>97897741
Yeah theft is tranny strats, but access to green and an excuse to put elves (like pic related) into faerie decks is really powerful. You can also make infinite loops that will steal your opponents entire decks.

>>97897521
You can see the difference between a hat set and not by comparing Lorwyn and Eldraine. One is just vibes and theming, the other is just direct references.

>>97897769
Nigga do not tell me you're about to argue Eldraine is a hat set.
WHAT HAT?
WHO WAS WEARING A HAT?

>>97897778
Garruk

>>97897821
Dont ragebait me, sir.

>Guys should we go UP THE BEANSTALK or follow the candy trail to the GINGERBREAD CABIN
God what a retarded set

>>97897897
I loved it. Fairytales are kino, get fucked.

>>97897897
Having each of the two color limited archetypes themed around a particular fairy tale was genius desu. Gave the set a lot of definition and was an organic way to make the world feel big while still being resonant.

>>97897897
>ok this witch has an apple
>and this witch turns people into food
>and this witch is all icy
>DO YOU GET IT

>>97896312
>Chainers Torment
This! Great books and there is six of them.

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what went so wrong with this game?

>>97899230
got rid of block releases

>>97899290
this.
bring.
back.
blocks.

>>97899230
>every set has to be an island, resulting in mechanics bloat and little in the way of thought out connection and synergy (getting rid of blocks)
>extreme focus on making money, to the detriment of the overall functionality of the game (bajillion products a year, straight-to-Modern premium sets)
>shifting focus from a competitive format that demands careful balance and playtesting to a casual, deliberately unbalanced format, then printing mechanically unique cards that unbalance the format even further (Commander)

>>97899230
Yes.

>discussion of Alela Artful Provocateur got me interested in finding my copy
>like 80% sure I have one
>cannot fucking find it anywhere
How does this happen?

>>97899290
>>97899299
It's so true. Even the most hated sets like Aetherdrift and Karlov Manor are infinitely improved flavorwise just by being able to have the main set not spoil the winner/killer, and then able to make cards referencing the winner/killer in the expansions.

>>97899314
>>extreme focus on making money, to the detriment of the overall functionality of the game
Dodge v Ford

>>97899382
You set it aside so you'd know where it was and forget where you put it

>>97899395
Man you wish Hasbro knew how to make money

You can make money without shitting on your customer base. The problem is when your extreme greed leads to you messing with your customer base.

>>97899449
Seem to be doing just fine with MtG even if their other products suck
>>97899455
DODGE V FORD

>>97899455
And yet mtg is actually going the way of pokemon, the tcg people keep telling me is "player friendly"
>all the chase cards are for collectors, just like pokemon
>building a casual edh deck has never been cheaper
(You) cannot refuse this no matter how hard you try with your contrarianism
>but.... but... edh isnt a real format!!
Uh oh 60 card boomer melty

>>97899468
>hasbro is just doing fine!!
Roru rumao how new?

>>97899390
What if they left things like that unanswered until the following set, and put a few cards in that were"conclusions" to the previous set?

For example, Thunder Junction followed Karlov Manor, so it gets a few non-affiliated cards depicting the killer from MKM. The players would take in all of MKM, make their guesses, have some time to speculate, and then during spoiler season for the next set we'd get our answer. All it would take is a single vertical cycle depicting the conclusion.

>>97899499
No it's not, anything even resembling a staple or a popular commander is going to the moon, including fucking precons, because of speculators, and the definition of "casual" is getting muddier by the day

>>97899516
>definition of "casual" is getting muddier by the day
Tell me that you're so poor you are that you cant afford a $100 edh deck so i can just tell you to accept being a filthy F2P and just proxy so all your problems go away

>>97899532
>Cannot refute anon's point that card prices are inflated
>Straight to ad hom calling anon a "poorfag"
Kill yourself squirrelnigger.
You can notice price gouges without being priced out of the game, faggot.

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>>97899504
I mean, objectively they are. Peaked pre-pandemic but they're only about $20 behind that peak. Comparable to Disney, well ahead of Mattel.
You can rage about it all you want but Harbro is doing well financially. Sure Magic is about their own profitable product, but apparently it's so profitable that's enough.

The issue isn't whether they are doing well financially, it is whether doing well financially justifies shameless molestation of your own product- which in my view it does not.

>>97899550
>Marketcap: 13.2bn
Kek

>>97899550
Hasbro is doing fine only because of mtg you absolute doofus, that's why they're 'molesting' mtg because they need to milk it harder to keep the damn corp afloat

>>97899566
What's the market cap on your company, anon?
>>97899567
Holy fuck would you read posts before you reply to them?
>Sure Magic is about their own profitable product, but apparently it's so profitable that's enough.
>The issue isn't whether they are doing well financially, it is whether doing well financially justifies shameless molestation of your own product- which in my view it does not.

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>>97899546
>he cannot afford a $100 edh deck

>>97899571
Probably about the same actually for the company I wagie for. Just makes it all that much more real how much of a small-midcap company they are

>>97899575
I own three four-digit decks.
Only about 1 of them had >$1000 put in it.
Stop being retarded, squirrelfag.

>>97899571
>he is THIS ignorant of hasbro's situation just to push dodge v ford
Kek

>>97899550
>You can rage about it all you want but Harbro is doing well financially
This. This is the spirit that has killed the west. Everything great we have ever created, has been ground down to dust by this mindset.

Line go up. Line go up. Line go up. What does it matter, is the world goes down? Mistaking a companies fiscal heights with their real success is a spiritual atrocity.

The measure of success is what you contribute to the world, and the legacy you leave. What good is higher profits, when your products turn shit? The value of your work is the fruits of your labor. Only vile, soulless, rotten husks mistake cash for merit. Burning your oak door to stay warm for one day of winter, means you die when the cold rushes in tomorrow.

>The issue isn't whether they are doing well financially, it is whether doing well financially justifies shameless molestation of your own product- which in my view it does not.
Amen.

>>97899604
>if I just reply smugly with 0 arguments I win
Haha he doesn't know!!!

>>97899604
>>97899606
NTA, but Devil's Advocate for a moment: what would you anons say as a measurable driver for the game's success? It's a product. Ultimately its goal is to make money. Even if there are other ways Hasbro could make money, clearly what they ARE doing is working towards that goal.

>>97899583
>"hasbro isn't doing well!"
>they're doing fine, almost at their all-time peak
>"hah! they could be doing better!"
Concession accepted I guess

>>97899420
this happens with so much of my shit, I wish I wasn't so absent minded

>>97899616
>what would you anons say as a measurable driver for the game's success? It's a product. Ultimately its goal is to make money.
No see that's the problem. The game PIECES are a product, the game is the game. It's like if a company was making money selling rare 1-in-a-million platinum-plated chess pieces. The success of that company has fucking nothing to do with the health of the game of chess.
By WotC's own fucking admission they have no idea how many people are "kitchen table" Magic players and how/what those players play

>>97899616
>NTA, but Devil's Advocate for a moment: what would you anons say as a measurable driver for the game's success?
Its gameplay being good, idiot.

Is mono white aura getting any upgrades with strixhaven?

>>97899614
But enough about you saying dodge vs ford is le bad without any proof lmao

>>97899616
Short term profits maybe.
In the long run, and i mean just 5 years from now on, you will fucking see this company crumble or change their bussines model completely.

>>97899589
Nice proxies btw haha

>>97889494
everyone does but he's a child grooming troon so he should be charged with his crimes

>>97899616
>>97899653
Hasbro is sacrificing the core audience of magic that has stuck with it for years for the sake of attracting newfags that might find marvel shit or any other specific pop culture icon attractive. At the same time they are also trying to get a piece of the pie that is the collectible pokemon market.
They are killing the game for the sake of short term profits and profitable fads, they are basically just being greedy.

>>97899635
>Its gameplay being good, idiot.
I said "measurable" drivers.

>>97899633
I won't disagree with you that the game is worse now, but to the company selling those chess pieces, why would they want to stop? If enough people are buying those exclusive Gold Archer, Dragon, or whatever chess pieces, then from a company standpoint people are still playing the game. I do hate to give credibility to the Nebraska meme too, but individual anecdotes don't reflect the overall playerbase when there are shops that still have active playerbases.

>>97899681
>child grooming
???

>>97899695
>I said "measurable" drivers.
I can measure the quality of a project's gameplay.
It is capable of being measured, therefor it is measurable.

>>97899669
Nope. All real. Just got in earlier than your zoomzoom-ass
Check the market price of Volcanic Island over the last 3 months. Shit's getting gouged everywhere.

>>97899695
>I said "measurable" drivers.
????
Literall
https://boardgamegeek.com/browse/boardgame
Since when the fuck has a tabletop game's quality not been measurable????????????

>waah waaah i hate hasbro!
>waaaah waaaaah i hate magic!!
why you don't let go, boomers? you lost.

>>97899575
I built my favorite EDH deck for like $400, it's worth over a thousand today

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>>97899733
>why you don't let go
Because, it is right to hold on.

>>97899712
>Average
Closer than the other guy's pisstake, but that's not really what I was going for.
The problem with averages is that they're suspect to a sampling bias problem. The only people who influenced that vote are people who know BGG and care to rate it. That's something that's at least one degree of separation further than engagement in the product skewed towards online enthusiasts more than the casual market. Put another way if someone buys a pack from their LGS every week, there's no 1-to-1 translation that person will vote on BBG.

>>97899706
>prices gouged everywhere!!!
>i participate in it btw!
Thanks for not being a filthy proxytard