>>97893874
>female liches
Not possible. Becoming a lich requires being a Wizard, which in turn requires high intelligence. Therefore, as they aren't smart enough to be wizards, femnoids can't become liches. QED.

>>97893936
It just sounds like you are not smart enough to be a lich, retard.

>>97893874
>she's only 33
Must have been a bad day.

I like em. It's fun to have standard "hot" evil chick who is then revealed to be horribly hideous.
The most memorable time I used a female lich was when one disintegrated the parties horny bard.

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>>97893874
Women are only useful if they preserve their beauty, so female liches are only meaningful if they represent the vanity of undeath, of keeping themselves alive and beautiful at the cost of others.
Which as a theme is better for vampires, but liches can do it too if you design them right.

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>>97893936
extremely based archmage

It's amazing how you ALWAYS bite every single woman-related bait posted on the board.

>>97893936
>Becoming a lich requires being a Wizard,
Wrong. Any 11th level humanoid caster with create wondrous item can become a lich. Cleric liches and sorcerer liches are perfectly valid, albeit, they are simply not as "desirable" because liches often become liches so as to have an eternity of study, and sorcerers do not need to study. Clerics prefer becoming mummies to pledge themselves to their dark god, and sorcerers prefer becoming vampires because of their powerful charisma-based abilities, but there is no actual limiting factors.

>>97894597
More like a extremely faggotry archtard.

It's amazing how he ALWAYS bites every single woman-related bait posted on the board.

>>97893874
No such thing. Women don’t understand lichdom. It’s like asking them to understand “male oriented movies”. They cannot do it. They’d turn human souls into powder and apply it to their faces to keep their skin from rotting to the bone. Totally missing the point of lichdom. So silly.

>>97894746
>They’d turn human souls into powder and apply it to their faces to keep their skin from rotting to the bone.
Thanks, stealing that.

>>97894746
Kek. I can see female liches being the vain counterpart to male liches who lack basic hygiene skills.

“In my demonstration ritual I will show you how to better preserve your skin as an undead spellcaster using the flayed skin of children-“

“Nobody fucking cares, you disgusting whore!” (his rotting jaw falls off after saying this)

>>97894746
Or maybe you just have brain damage.
>>97894757
More like you steal his butthole.

>>97894633
You want to see bait that is always bitten?
AD&D 2E is OSR

A female lich implies female wizards. That is physically impossible. Would you trust a woman’s math? Absolutely ridiculous assumption.

>>97894746
>>97894778

The Female Lich would probably immediately start working on becoming a Demi-Lich. Not because they went insane and want to maximize their spell-shitting potential, but because they hate their rotting, high-maintenance bodies and gladly would replace them with some spectral projection from a crystalized soul.

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>tfw the skeleton lady has a wide pelvis
I'd bone a female lich

>>97894799
Yes, the a lot of things are confusing to those who never gone to school.
>>97894800
In the Epic Handbook there is a lady Demi-Lich. She just a skeleton hand endlessly working on making a spell book with every spell that exists.

>>97894825
>She just a skeleton hand endlessly working on making a spell book with every spell that exists.
That’s called a dictionary

>>97894611
And with the exact same "comeback" every single time without fail or exception. I've been convinced for a while that it's actually some kind of advanced bot because I've actively told him that I'm baiting him and then added a generic line about women at the end and he bit it. Repeatedly, in the same thread.

>>97894611
>>97894633
Fuck, I didn't notice I double posted, CloufdFare fucked up with me.
>>97894901
That's a pretty good hint it's true.

>hur dur women can’t be wizards
Some fantasy settings (elden ring, etc) have women as the better/smarter wizards while men are the better/stronger warriors

>>97895127
Elden Ring is extremely woke, the entire DLC is about gay sex.

>>97895134
You must love that DLC then.

>>97895127
>>97895134
Did anyone else get this nagging suspicion while playing ER that Miyazaki’s obsession with moons and femininity was a bit *too* obnoxious? He’s basically rubbing it in the player’s face that the moon > stars, similar to the erdtree displacing the sun. The entire game is about women emasculating and displacing men. In the dlc the insane npc (who is obsessed with becoming a woman) claiming that the moon “ain’t all that” is a weak piece of shit and his spell costs a lot less than the moon.

>staring at the moon takes up more brain power than looking into deep ass space
>conjuring two miniature moons takes up significantly more intelligence than conjuring a miniature universe
Bravo Miyazaki-san. I bet NASA is so proud.

>>97895164
It's just (you). Can you go with your whining to /v/ or its off-shoots instead on adding another spam to /tg/?

>>97895208
Nah. It’s not just him. The entire setting is feminine. You’d have to be blind not to see this. The female enemies are even stronger than the male enemies. The big was golden tree quite literally took up the sun’s position (sunflowers face the Erdtree not the sun). Only a woman or a feminine being can become a god.

Also, Miyazaki originally wanted females to be better sorcerers than males in the first Dark Souls (originally men would only have access to a limited number of spells while women got full access to them), too. But he scrapped it. It was partially carried over in Dark Souls 3, where only women can unlock certain forms of magic.

>>97895221
the big ass* golden tree

>>97894746
>not kidnapping a cute princess to swap bodies with just in time for the PCs to show up and kill the blabbering / confused animated corpse before taking you back to the kingdom so you can arrange for the king's death and inherit the throne.

Oh sure the bodies wear out from the necromantic energy but thats what cute peasant girls getting hired to be her handmaidens is for.

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>>97893874
I'm fine with her using her lichdom to be nice to cats.

>>97895221
You know, pretending to be different people doesn't work when you've been repeating the same rant on a niche specific topic in a specific way for months.

>>97895349
Cope more. ER being a feminine world has been an assumption since its release. God is literally a woman.

>>97895127
Yes but those settings are retarded. Most magical traditions in the real world were primarily male. Everything from Egyptian Hierophants to Persian Magi to Greco-Roman Alchemists.
Sorry buddy, men are just both stronger AND smarter than women.

>>97895361
I'm sure there are some loretubers that made long form video about the topic, but I want YOU to move YOUR easily identified whine-spam out of traditional games board to a more suitable video games board.

>>97895369
>Most magical traditions in the real world were primarily male.
And they were too stupid to cast actual spells.

>>97895369
>smarter than women.
Your retarded and nogames post disproves that. You may not know this but stuff that don't allow women in tend to not have many women in it.

>>97895369
Ignore him. He’s a troll trying to start another sex war. The game’s top wizards are shown IN game, and they’re both male, not female. They’re literal Buddhas in fact. But, for whatever reason, the majority of the player base assumes a much younger woman (who was dumb enough to get seduced by her opposing country, I might add) is somehow their superior (I don’t know why people use her spell as evidence for this), when they most likely left the academy of their own volition, since they can barely be described as human by the time of the game (the entire point of them and their lesser crystallian kin is that they are so enlightened they’re basically just vibing in meditative silence).
>Egypt
Retarded wiccans with an interest in the ancient world will claim Isis was the god of magic when it was actually (her dad in some accounts) Thoth, who was also the god of the moon (b-but I thought muh moon was feminine??), as well as the stars, and later the sun when hermeticism came into the picture and he transcended his own pantheon.

>>97895369
Wasn't the most valued oracle in greece female managed?

>>97895410
>the entire point of them and their lesser crystallian kin is that they are so enlightened they’re basically just vibing in meditative silence
Oooor that they're dead rocks after their brains caught cosmic cancer.

>>97895497
Debatable. The “faint cogitation” refers to them being enigmatic and indiscernible, or slow in thought, not brain dead. They don’t respond much, if at all. Lusat might be hiding from the stars the way Onze is, but Azur appears to be doing just fine out in the open, and is levitating in meditation the same way the zen crystallians are.

>>97895369
>the Oracle at Delphi
>the Moirai
>the Norns
>thousands of years of "witches"
>thousands of years of "sacred prostitution"

>>97893874
No real issue with the concept, I imagine they'd be much less common though since of the various "higher undead" you see in fantasy, the Lich definitely appeals to a very male autist type of power fantasy, in which appearance and earthly desires are entirely irrelevant and their totally massive brains make them unkillable, eternal, and powerful.

>>97895634
>appearance
Wouldn't that be a non-issue for any caster worth anything? You can just appear however you want. That's a big point about casters in the witcher.

>>97895661
Witcher comes from the point of view of an old jaded slavic man, most fantasy doesn't explicitly assert that women are all vain lying whores.

>>97895661
We're not talking about the Witcher, though. Do they even have Liches? I'm assuming a D&D/PF type deal if we're talking Lich (generic), since that's really what popularized them. Liches are pretty well defined as appearing outwardly undead, they can't pass for human like a vampire can.

As for "you can just appear however you want", you could always cast some sort of illusion spell but it's just that, an illusion. You're really either rotting away, or a straight up skeleton in most depictions. How easy or hard having an effective disguise as a Lich is depends on the mechanics of the system. And again, a magic illusion would be just that, an illusion. You know you're still a rotting corpse, and your magic just projects disguise.

The archetypal Lich is the sperg's power fantasy of being able to NEET it up for 1000 years and transcend mortal desires like having friends or falling in love. I'm absolutely sure there are some women that'd be into that, but fewer of them than men.

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>>97894591
>implying skeleton women can't be beautiful
Don't be osteophobic, anon.

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>>97895741
I love a woman's bones but they ought to stay suspended in a voluptuous goo.

>>97895302
Awwww

>>97895735
>you could always cast some sort of illusion spell but it's just that, an illusion
That's just quick and effective makeup

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>>97893936
Never underestimate the lengths a woman will go to in order to regain her beauty.

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>>97894591
>>97894746
Why are you like this

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>>97895720
>most fantasy doesn't explicitly assert that women are all vain lying whores.
Well no shit. That's the FANTASY. I'd love to see a world where all women aren't vain, lying, whores. That would be a wonderful place. Hence, fantasy.

Of course, since all women ARE vain, lying, whores, we know that any setting in which they are not such is clearly an unrealistic setting, and that hurts immersion.

>>97896405
Maybe you should try living in this world and not just hide in your room saying retarded things in /tg/

>>97896550
>said the vain, lying, whore

>>97896758
>t. retard.

>>97895777
Do you have any more images like this please then?

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>>97893936
>lichcel coping

>>97893874
Liches are inherently male coded. There's nothing inherently stopping a girl from turning into a lich, but being a lich is something I can only picture a man even wanting to pursue.
Plus, liches are usually da big bad, and, let's be honest, male villains are more intimidating.

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>>97893874
Neutral

>>97896849
Not an argument. In my unlimited magnanimity, I thusly accept your concession.

>>97895369
>Most magical traditions in the real world were primarily male
and 100% of magical traditions in the real world are made up retarded shit that doesn't actually do anything, how is that a measure of intelligence

>>97897021
nta but the character is thrasir from fire emblem heroes

>>97893936
Not true. Clerics can become liches.

>>97897475
>that doesn't actually do anything
Science doesn’t do anything?

>>97893936
That's a retarded take. Women may be less intelligent than men in general, but liches are already outliers. Even though 90+% of Liches should reasonably be male, for both reasons of intelligence and psychology, there should be a (albeit largely insignificant) minority of female liches, too.

>>97895369
>men are just both stronger AND smarter than women.
I hate that this is objectively true.

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>>97898124
Thessa wasn't especially intelligent. Her transformation into a lich was an act of dark rage and vindictive spite when she was burnt at the stake as a witch.

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>>97898124
Aislinn didn't become a lich through cleverness, she developed a transcendental affinity for the transformative power of decay by burial in soil.

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>>97898124
Jessika wasn't intelligent, she was just so vain that she went insane while delving into dark magic while trying to preserve her youth and beauty and became a lich literally without realizing it. She still believes she's young and beautiful.

Rolled 1, 5 = 6 (2d6)

>>97893874
they're okay

>>97897439
I was not replying to one. Your posts are just retarded whinging.

>>97896287
>Female liches are powered by Narcissistic Rage
Checks out

>>97898386
It seems you are powered by stupid and having things in your ass.

>>97898167
>>97898180
>>97898191
Lmao

>>97895302
would completely believe she got into the dark arts to get more time with her cats

>>97893874
What is the point of a female villain you don't want to fuck? Seriously, the only reason to make an NPC female is to take advantage of players wanting to fuck them, so you can use that to manipulate them. So what's the point of a female villain that's unfuckable?

>>97898124
Threads like this and posts like >>97898167 >>97898180 >>97898191 >>97898762 men are morons who think highly of themselves.

>>97899623
It bugs you to no end that IQ had a favorite gender. Now be a good girl and say the favorite is women, because you people are nothing if not predictable.

>>97899727
>you people are nothing if not predictable
And for my next trick, I predict the feminist will say something along the lines of "you're nothing." And maybe they'll respond to this one and imply my use of the word "trick" mans I'm akin to a dog.

>>97898124
There are fewer female liches because liches aren't hot. That's why you get more female casters turning into demons and vampires. Females who turn to lichdom are outliers because they lack vanity.

>>97893936
Except clerics can also become liches, you moron.

>>97899727
No, it's men. There are more smart women than smart men, but the smartest tend to be men. At least, as far as the severely biased historical evidence shows.

>>97899773
Correct. The bell curves of gender intelligence place most women in the average range, there are more dumb men than dumb women. But there are also more smart men that smart women. The former makes women feel superior, the latter makes them angry.

>>97899727
Why do you indulge the troon's fantasies? It makes no sense.

>>97899787
Those that play TTRPGs don't have the ego for that nonsense, they were ostracized from the "proper" upbringing of women at young ages - otherwise they wouldn't be playing TTRPGs.

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>>97897021
https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=thrasir_%28fire_emblem%29+

>>97899727
>>97899773
>>97899787
People who think having a high IQ mean they are smart are retards, retard.
>>97899739
I will call you a faggot.
>>97899800
No one knows why you are stupid.

>>97899920
Look, buddy, if you can't resist replying and trying to insult people, at least be good at it. Now make a "I know you are but what am I?" reply because it's all you can do.

>>97900312
Cry harder. retard. Getting a high score on some internet IQ test does not make you smart.

>>97893874
I divide my undeads in two categories, those feeding on lifeforce and having to deal with mortals, and those who don't. The later include liches, and are effectively genderless. No hormones, no working genitalia, no need to pretend. The psychological association with a gender also disappears.

This is doubly so with liches, who can inhabit the bones of somewho who wasn't their species, let alone gender.

this is a 9/10 thread by 2026 standards

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>>97895497
Lol. You DO know that there’s an entire god-damned race made entirely out of glintstone in the game, right? Not sure where the idea that glintstone isn’t capable of moving or animating itself came from, when it quite literally grows like a plant, and spells behave a lot like lifeforms. The ‘wisdom of stone’ was the study of the residual life/vitality within glintstone, but was also the study of how residual life/vitality could manifest itself as advanced inorganic cogitation, which is seen in the inorganic crystalians and the primeval sorcerers. It’s pure intellect, or logic, without any frivolous thought involved. The “faint cogitation” refers to them being largely unresponsive or just frustratingly enigmatic in their ways.

Not sure why you guys can’t parse lore. The concept artwork of the two primeval sorcerers also has them standing upright. Certainly not stuck in position.

>>97903098
This is where fantasy begins to smoothly transition into sci-fi. Liches are a transhuman allegory / parable. The main problem with them is that they still carry the defeatist pessimism of ancient mythology which was originally designed to soothe existential angst about the fact of mortality. Now that medicine is advancing so rapidly, we need a more optimistic myth about striving for immortality.
Liches are so 20th century.
Infomorphs are new now.
And in fantasy terms, that's a ghost of some kind.

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>>97893936
>so many replies
>for such obvious and low-hanging ragebait
I'm more angry at the anons replying to this guy than him, y'all are just fucking awful at recognizing bait.

>>97894746
>Women don’t understand lichdom
/thread

>>97894620
>Any 11th level humanoid caster with create wondrous item
Is that really it? Can a bard or a paladin become a lich?

>>97893874
Necrobinder is cool.

Women ought to desire becoming vampires instead. They can keep their looks and can still taste the aspects of life important for women.
Liches are like 4chan jannies.

>>97899727
Men blaming women for mid iq is like women blaming men for growing more body hair.
These are traits cultivated by the opposite sex, not fate.

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the motivations for women to live forever are a lot weaker, few women want to outlive loved ones or the society in which they have status and attachment.

>>97903741
/tard. Fixed that for you.

>>97903794
Bard, yes. I can't imagine a Paladin managing to complete a phylactery without falling, but if you're including variant paladins then also yes.

>>97895369
Loki mocked Odin for learning magic because magic is a thing for women.

>>97904367
And yet Loki uses magic to turn into a (female) horse just to get fucked by male horses. Norse mythology has never not been a comedy. Odin was the original min-maxer who mastered everything even magic. He was better than the women.