>>97903222
>How is the 40k side of the community at your local LGS?
There isnt one, it's MTG and gaslands

>>97903222
>TQ
I don't go to the LGS because I cannot find a good case to transport a 2k point guard army and I fear having an autism spergout and making myself look bad.
I'm not even sure if those airplane suitcases would work.

>alternative rules
Anybody tried these?
We whine about the rules and maybe they were added as a solution probably like how the terrain complaints are we why the Wargames Terrain download was added too.

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>>97903222
Hijacking for a different TQ:
The best battleline unit to spam is?
>you can pick multiple of similar types such as pink and blue horrors, krieg and cadians, etc

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>>97903222
WWI 305mm mortar

the fat man says drukhari refresh soon

I like orks :D

How we feeling about this? >>97902950

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James had one job.

oh and vect is being released or something

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Working on anything, anons?

>>97903241
I guess happy for those players but honestly they are tertiary Xeno factions that are basically irrelevant.

NO TITTIES
NO TITTIES FOR VECT
I WILL GET TITTY BITCHES TO PUT ON VECT'S BARGE
NO CENSORSHIP FOR THE PIMP SHIP

>>97903241
WORSE THAN HITLER

>>97903241
James and this puritan morality from britbongs are fucking wrong.

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>>97903243
>oh and vect is being released

>>97903255
NO TITTIES ON HIS BARGE

>>97903245
Vespids are a tertiary faction, tarellions are a tertiary faction. Dark Eldar are number 1 baby.

>>97903245
>tau
>tertiary
>irrelevant
wut?

>>97903261
I don't make the rules I just abide by them.

>>97903260
Deldar are number 1? They are changing youe faction to appeal Timmies fag, i would say you are last number at this pint.

The Astra Militarum should be staffed by cute twinks for Xeno women to enjoy.

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>>97903244
This cably fucker.

>>97903242
I'm pretty sure artillery is not meant to zip around the table behind transports, those features are to explain it getting transported to the deployment zone.

Now, if you ever had a table large enough where transporting artillery is both cool and sound, then go ahead, but I don't think you should expect it to be as fast to load up, move, unload and set up ready to fire in the span of a game turn

>>97903241
I don't understand the idea of updating crisis suits and broadsides of all things.

>>97903222
>TQ
Not too bad, but ironically our AOS community is bigger. Obviously MTG dominates in terms of player count but our store owner is very public about the fact that he gives more shelf space/special treatment to the wargamers over the TCGheads in the store because we spend more money. Surprising amount of guard players though, there's about as many guardfags as marinefags. There's about 2 chaos players that I know of for 40k and one of them is me, and a smattering of xenos here and there.

My only problem with the store right now is we're a little short on tables and terrain, mostly because the guy who made our tables moved out of the area so we're short a carpenter to make the nice table toppers we have for wargames. Guy made about 4 wooden toppers that slot over standard foldout tables and have a 6x4 play area to lay a mat down on and a one foot side caddy area to put your models or accessories. It's really fucking nice.

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>How is the 40k side of the community at your local LGS?

*club but still

>>97903264
I'M NUMBER 1 BABY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkzptjhCkbs

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>>97903271
Meanwhile...

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total space marine death

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>>97903222
>>97903237
I want a centaur to tow my thuddgun as well as 9 krigers for the artillery team.

>>97903242
I'm fairly sure forgeworld had rules for towing.
Battlefield artillery should have a set-up/deploy mechanic.

>>97903244
I need to paint a necromunda juve before sunday, so I'll work on that
after that, maybe work on something for the collage

If an unit has the "Red Corsairs Raiders" keyword, does it count as having the "Red Corsairs" keyword or are they two distinct keywords?

>>97903290
You'll see there it says it takes a whole extra turn to set up after moving.

>>97903294
Shit Team is not WH40k and belongs to >>>/tg/ktg.

>>97903305
Nta but you're the one who talked about "zooming around", anon only mentioned towing.
Don't be a retard.

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>>97903311
Alternatively, since the thing lets passengers shoot out of it...

>>97903301
I don't think red corsairs is a keyword.

>>97903242
Anon, it's the Imperial Guard, not fucking Iraq. "Just slap that mortar on that Toyota" won't fly.

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>>97903331
>towed artillery is some jury rigged sand nigger shit

>>97903241
Happy the Deldar are getting a refresh.
Disappointed that James doesn't seem interested in attractive women.
Granted I'm not looking for animu attractive faces. It doesn't mean that GW can't make a proper female face sculpt.
Or maybe it is corporate mandate that they don't make attractive faces because they might be problematic or a similar sentiment.

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>>97903331
What do you mean?

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>>97903244
a lad
the neighbours are complaining about me running the air compressor at night so i'm going to have to find a solution for it

>>97903342
we don't use that word here

>>97903342
sand?

>>97903290
>the transport has to start the turn already in contact, the artillery cannot fire the turn it leaves the transport
see, I'm ok with this, it basically forces multi-turns planning

>>97903229
Glue magnets to the bottoms of your bases and get a Harvmatta from Ikea, I found a nice bag that mine fits in perfectly, look around for square delivery bags.
>TQ
Kind of crazy, really, last weekend there were 10 tables going, no tournament or anything.

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>saw a roughly 40k-scaled AT-AT for $60 at local dept store
Do I drop the dough on a kid's toy just to convert it into terrain for my table? Been thinking about doing something like it for years - I'm not a Star Wars fan at all really but the AT-AT is a stupid cool vehicle.

>>97903241
DoK in burkas-tier shit. I dont know how this stacks with fullfaggotory in the UK where mena and womes walking on the streets fully naked with rainbow flags and fucking each others with didlos

>>97903301
Should be. They do this shit a lot in CSM where they say “‘Heretic Astartes Infantry’ Keyword,” which doesn’t exist, it’s two separate ones.

Ian Watson died.

To honor him, GW should make a marine version of the Triumph of Saint Katherine but it's Imperial Fists carting around Rogal Dorn's amber-encased skeleton to battle. This would also cause Imperial Fists fans to seethe, which would be the cherry on top (they'd buy it anyway)

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>>97903244
After buying company heroes over 2 years ago I finally painted the last one. I don’t even play 40k

>>97903358
I hate sand

>>97903395
>it's not the real skeleton anyway...!

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>>97903244
Got some Thousand Sons assembled, they’re my first models, I’m new. Have to wait for a cold front this weekend to prime since it’s been tropical outside for a while, and I don’t have an airbrush.
I went and fully assembled my rubrics, kind of regret it, but I have 10 scarab terminators in sub-assembly too.

>>97903395
>how to piss off primarch fans while also making shitloads of money because they'd buy it anyway like the paypiggies they are

gw hire this anon

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>>97903395
Pretty sure all they have of him is his hand.

>>97903395
Only if it also carries the chalice full of shit nuggets for their ritualistic coprophagy

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>>97903241
Anyone that expected Vect refresh to come with tits out slaves was smoking some wild hopium. The odds of that ever happening were so low that anyone legitimately disappointed by the negative confirmation has only themselves to blame. Xenos pet/slave/bodyguard could be interesting at least. Always nice when the designers get a chance to do something different.
I kinda like that he won't be locked on the dias of destruction. He'll be able to fit inside any raider if he's an infantry unit, so it's an excuse to convert one with extra bling into being his dedicated pimpmobile.

Don't play tau but redoing basic battlesuits seems like a bit of a waste, I feel like they hold up well enough.

>>97903408
Which was a retcon from the depiction in Ian Watson's Space Marine, where they have Dorn's entire skeleton onboard the Phalanx and cut amber off of it to feed to neophytes. They proceed to shit out the amber and put the amber shit pellets in a special chamber restricted to the chapter Reclusiarch. Just retcon it back to this.

>>97903411
>>97903425
it's so fucking peak

Wyches are gonna be completely covered up, aren't they

>>97903354
Love me mortar carriers. Shame the griffon is ded

>>97903435
They already are?

>>97903395
Rip Ian an og for 40k lore.
GW is currently on a Primarch returning spree because they realize that marinefags will paypig for their marvel tier super dads and there's several cashcows they can milk. The amount of retcons of Dorn going from dead to missing is proof of that, no idea how they'd bring back Sanguinius, Curze, or Ferrus though.

>>97903435
as it should be to prevent temptation inshallah

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>>97903242
GW isn't cool enough for this shit. Wish we had more of this shit alongside actually useful smoke rounds, but that would require badass smoke templates that block LOS. Fuck, man.

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>>97903425
What was rogue trader era space marines' fascination with devouring each other?

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>>97903222
>TQ
I'm looking into the current state as I haven't played since 7th. Since the one store closed it seem everyone ducked into a Facebook and discord group. Looks like the days of walking into a store to grab a pick up game or schedule one are over. If you want a game you need to join the facebook/discord to get one. Every day my goal of "discord never lol" becomes less maintainable as more and more people want a screen between them and the outside world. When I was at one of the LGS's last weekend for my Ars Magica game there was a votann (100% painted) vs Eldar (95% painted) game, and a Necron (60% painted) vs Sisters (100% painted) game going on.

>>97903354
James squatted the mortar carrier a long time ago.

Whoever designed the neurotyrant should be shot. What a fucking nightmare to get the back piece on. And I haven't even gotten to trying to paint it yet.

>>97903445
Curze and Alpharius just faked their deaths.
Sanguinius and Ferrus return as warp entities. Ferrus already reappeared leading the Legion of the Damned in a HH book like 3 years ago.

>>97903445
Eventually the shock and wonder factor of primarchs will wear off when enough return and we'll be left with GW going "fuck, now what" while fans and writers get buyer's remorse. Even a few of the retarded tiktok 40k content farms like weshammer are starting to sound off alarm bells and go "WAIT WAIT WAIT MORE LOYALIST PRIMARCHS RETURNING MIGHT RUIN THE SETTING AND WRITE IT INTO A CORNER"

>>97903456
ever since the 80s, something being dark and mature just meant that it had cannibalism, rape and gratuitous gore

now the rape is gone out of fashion because it clashes with profits, and gore and cannibalism stopped being daring and controversial

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>>97903490
idk why this is making me giggle

>>97903484
You make them die and disappear again lol

>>97903478
>Ferrus already reappeared leading the Legion of the Damned in a HH book like 3 years ago.

The author of that HH book confirmed that it wasn't Ferrus or the Legion of the Damned, btw. Said it was actually just an Emperor-exclusive psychic power that manifested looking like that, and then said that the Legion of the Damned are still Fire Hawks. I think he got a promotion in the past 3 years to some bigwig IP manager position. Not that it stopped content farm loretubers from making videos about it

>>97903497
ADB contradicts himself all the time, like he said he'd never use the enuncia but then has it in betrayer

>>97903478
>Curze and Alpharius just faked their deaths.
I don't think Curze could fake getting his head cut off and he was extremely suicidal so that makes even less sense for him to do that. I could believe Alpharius faked his death though.

>>97903484
Sloptubers just now realizing that Primarchs constantly returning has been awful for the setting makes me kek. I think even GW started to realize that after they brought back the Lion because he got absolutely nothing for years with the "redeemed fallen" storyline going no where. It's like GW just dug Lion back up because Guilliman made so much money but didn't know wtf to do with him after one book.

>>97903518
>people bitch for all of 8th and 9th that its a settting and it shouldn't move forward
>the lion comes back and we don't push past arks of omen for years
>people bitch about this too

>>97903512
Yeah, but there's a pattern I've noticed where he'll say "oh I'll never use old lore, old lore isn't canon" and then eventually he'll go back and write about old lore in his novels or say "actually it's oldlore" after the fact. Like the story about him being in the HH writer's room and telling people "STICK TO OLDLORE" compared to Abnett who wanted to do crazy whacko shit, and given how The End and the Death aligns with Slaves to Darkness and goes as far as to include shit like a skaven daemon prince/minor chaos god, it's clear ADB won out. Oldlore won. The Legion of the Damned are fire hawks. Rick Priestley won. Alan Bligh won and laughs from beyond the grave. Cope.

>>97903518
it's not like they know what to do with Guilliman either

>>97903241
I'm honestly more upset that the boat is gone then the bitches. It was a cool ass boat.
I guess that means he'll actually be able to ride in transports now though and use all of those rules they have built the faction around now. So... Okay I guess?

>>97903533
the old lore was always present in the heresy, in the interviews almost every author for the siege would talk about how they scraped together every piece of information about the siege

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Leaked master of refreshed wyches

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>>97903533
He probably entered the 40k writing space decades ago as a freelancer saying he wouldn't use old lore and would bring BOLD AND NEW FRESH IDEAS to 40k (which was a big thing in the fandom 2 decades ago, people wanted old shit retconned and ADB was basically an ascended fa/tg/uy), then got exposed to the grogs at GW's writing staff like Phil Kelly, Gav Thorpe, Alan Bligh, John French etc and ended up becoming a fake grog himself. Dude's in charge of 40k's narrative direction now and 11th ed is doing Armageddon nostalgia. It's not a coincidence.

>>97903547
Why Bongs are so obsessed with sexuality?

>>97903535
True. But at least Guilliman got several books with him being in a lot of big events to give some illusion of development. Lion got fucking nothing after Arks of Omens and is only now getting teased about meeting Guilliman. I guess the new DoW game kinda counts too?

>>97903560
Muslims can't physically restrain themselves from assaulting women, I thought we already knew that

>>97903559
>ended up becoming a fake grog himself. Dude's in charge of 40k's narrative direction now and 11th ed is doing Armageddon nostalgia. It's not a coincidence.
To be fair I wouldn't put a lot on him, he is the head of narrative at GW, but remember that he is just that.
ADB ultimately answers to the people above him, and if they tell him and the team "Do X", there's not a whole lot he can say about it, unless he wants to leave the company.

Aka, there's always a bigger fish.

>>97903518
>so here's an idea: We bring back more loyalist primarchs.
>OKAY WE BROUGHT BACK THE LION AND HIS MODEL IS MAKING SHITLOADS OF MONEY
>okay let's have him redeem the fallen and shit, he can teleport around the Imperium Nihilus, start whooping chaos ass, make the dark angels a legion again given the crisis, maybe bring back the dark angels' long lost DAOT tech and make them masters of the Imperium Nihilus, maybe make a fake astronomican or something-
>wait, that sounds fucking retarded, wouldn't that just make the 40k dark angels the HH dark angels? FUCK. okay we've written ourselves into a corner, what do we do with this guy???
>we do nothing.
>nothing?
>idk, have him sit on his ass. Don't even have him meet Guilliman. We need to keep our brand integrity.
>okay, but what about his return? Won't the fans of his model get upset?
>no, they're fucking braindead, they'll just buy his model and shut up.
>there's no way they'll just sh-
>SIR, WE'RE GETTING REPORTS THAT THEY BOUGHT HIS MODEL AND SHUT UP.
>see? New strategy: We do NOTHING. Abandon all previous plans and focus on Armageddon nostalgia baiting. We'll make billions.

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kino

>>97903266
Hell yeah

If that thing was vyper sized it would be cool as hell.

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>>97903244
Getting close to finishing my abominant

>>97903606
That's what she said.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/lgjzyr7m/warhammer-40000-rules-reveal-shoot-from-the-saddle-with-inquisitor-kroyle-and-intranzia-fraye/

>>97903596
>the year is 2016
>tts is popular amongst the fandom and features the Emperor and returning primarchs fixing the imperium
>gw brings back guilliman and has him start fixing the imperium, even drops hints that daemon primarchs could be redeemed like in TTS
>the year is 2026
>grimdark nostalgiabaiting is popular amongst the fandom, they want 40k to retvrn to the "glory days" and keep saying primarchs returning to fix the imperium ruins the setting.
>gw brings out armageddon themed starter set featuring marines wearing bits of MK VII armor, blood angels, etc. Previous edition had a trailer where Guilliman talks like he wants to shoot himself because there is no hope.

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>>97903622
look what's back there

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>>97903560
Way I always knew it it comes from the bongs long obsession with considering themselves the most "civilized" society in the world. Lust is unsightly and unbecoming.

>>97903622
>This edition will have less rerolls!!!!!
>Anyways here's an Inquisitor that gives all of your battle line full hit rerolls on a 2+

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>>97903630
>Guilliman talks like he wants to shoot himself because there is no hope.
he's been doing that since he got back, he didn't fix anything, he won't redeem anyone, there was at no fucking point a move towards a more "noblebright" imperium or whatever you tertiary memes munchers would call it.

>>97903651
he just needs his brobro back

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>>97903459
>back in the day, I was whirlwind-tier artillery, now I am forgotten

Griffons were cool. Relatively durable (given good positioning and setup) and inexpensive area denial. A menace to light infantry and light vehicles.

MFW someone wanted to infiltrate some light infantry near an objective that was in/near griffon range.

>>97903651
>Macragge and Ultramar still relative paradises of clean, educated, and civil society compared to the wider imperium

Maybe Gulliman was right in being a turncoat and making himself the alternate emperor for that moment during the Heresy.

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Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.

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>>97903216
it's actually getting a little too tasteful. turns out anyone with mediocre skills can make a furfag grave look a little solemn.
don't worry, the mood lightens with them reaching for their wolf tail buttplugs

>>97903454
try not to piss yourself

>>97903669
You asked for it. Get ready tomorrow because there’ll be hell to pay.

>>97903642
Old Yarrick Baneblade, Dorn, and the new armored car… what am I missing?

>>97903665
relative is the key word here
and they're not even better by much

>>97903674
what?

>>97903678
its not me, its some false flagging scumlord

>>97903681
i don't know who the fuck you are, faggot.

>>97903358
Sorry, nigger rigged sandnigger shit

>>97903630
>>97903651
>move towards a more "noblebright" imperium or whatever you tertiary memes munchers would call it.
What caused or are the causes for this belief to happen?

>>97903685
Heh. Reminds me of my cousin at christmas. He said something like “Fuckin’ hell, just leave it” when his toddler was messing around with something he shouldn’t, and my mother (now in her 60s) said “Garry! Language!”, to which he replied, “Sorry auntie, fuckING hell”. I died laughing.

>>97903630
40k is best with no hope. Girlyman fixing anything is good for James and for us

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>>97903642
WD338 (February 2008)
>the mural is freehand
wew

>>97903666
Now you are right, but soon you will wish otherwise

>>97903694
so you are stupid. but that's okay, how's your collage entry going?

>>97903630
This shit is cyclical, ten years from now it'll be back to trying to appeal to children again. There's even interviews with John Blanche bitching about how 2nd edition was "trying to appeal to kids" in 1993 and how he was happy that 3rd edition "was a lot darker in presentation." 40k follows trends. More "adult" stuff like Dune is more popular now and 40k tries to match (which is funny considering the heavy Dune ripoff elements), ten years ago the MCU was the bee's knees and 40k tried to match, ten years before that Halo was huge and 40k tried to match with bolter porn, the mid-late 90's and early 2000's edge was in vogue and 40k was edgy as shit to try and match, etc.

>for this game lore to be good it must be grim, dark, sad and chaos must have the upper hand
fine with me.

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>>97903708
I love a good underdog story

>>97903708
>>for this game lore to be good it must be grim, dark, sad and chaos must have self sabatoging dumbfucks at the helm
Ftfy

>>97903708
>noooo!!! in order to be good, it must be hope maxing and be centered around primarchs returning and winning! the emperor should return and win!! grimdark bad!!! we must EVOOOOOLVE to appeal to the masses and get our quirky reddit chungus Henry Cavill tv show!

>>97903717
>in order to be good, it must be hope maxing
Truth nuke
>Everything else
Meaningless drivel

>>97903712
everyone has self sabotaging dumbfucks at the helm

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>>97903721
Chaos doesn't

>>97903717
Yes. Everything on this post is right.
Fuck your grimderp, emo-faggotry retard.

>>97903723
>Pic unrelated

>>97903717
You are so spiteful

>>97903717
Perturabo go back to plebbit.

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>>97903719
>>97903724
I'm not falling for that shit, anons!

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>>97903717
>noooo!!! in order to be good, it must be hope maxing and be centered around primarchs returning and winning! the emperor should return and win!! grimdark bad!!! we must EVOOOOOLVE to appeal to the masses and get our quirky reddit chungus Henry Cavill tv show!

>>97903723
it's been 10,000 years and the emperor is basically dead. none of the primarchs are around. and yall were still stuck in a fucking hole that whole time getting bested by literal child soldiers.

fuck off and suck on a demon cock while telling yourself you're taking advantage of them.

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>>97903739
stop ban evading, faggot

>>97903744
Please stop responding to me.

>>97903264
I know you’re exaggerating for effect but even so, this is the same game that has Votann in it man.

>>97903744
I know he’s an obnoxious lolcow, but at a certain point what do you get out of just throwing insults? just report him, and move on.

>>97903747
You dont get to decide that you avatarfagging nigger

Just before Ian Watson died, he came to me in a dream and said

>"anon, redditors will cheer on the destruction of your favorite franchise as all grimdark elements are removed and replaced with primarch glorification. the scale of the setting shall shrink, the minis will get more expensive, and GW will make two gorillion dollars while making the setting spiritually Israeli. Retards will enable this in order to stick it to irrelevant fucking Trench Crusade, or some other faggot reason. Heed my words, lest this dark future come true before your very eyes."

Why are we shadowboxing at GW removing Grimdark when that hasn't happened.

>>97903766
thank you for the insight, candace. I’m such a big fan of your show.

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>>97903766
Today I'll remind them.

>>97903766
He came to mine too and said the same thing, except I asked him how I could prevent this future. He told me:

>"the rape scenes, anon, you have to read the rape scenes in my books. the answer lies within them."

>>97903766
Wasting the time to write this absolute nonsensical shit is sad anon.

>>97903778
today I’ll remind you that a short lore blurb explaining the backstory of the imperium and space marines is way different than having them being active players in the setting.

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>>97903769
>when that hasn't happened.
Some grimdark things have been dialed back. The grimdark isn't gone in entirety.
Admittedly this is probably to be more appealing to modern investors and modern sensitivity among the younger audience.
For instance it has been a while since the penal guard human bomb has been removed.
>but
You can probably make a proxy for a remote mine from the kriegers.
The main grimdark thing is that the "there is only war" hasn't been removed yet.

If I had to go against the grain and say that GW is trying to preserve grimdark, I think it is a bit of a tug of war between keeping Warhammer 40k's core identities alive in being a grimdark "anti-Star Trek" setting of only war and at the same time making sure their setting is "clean enough" to appeal to investors and not piss off sensitive younger audiences.

>>97903780
i thought the solution to every problem in 40k was:"gatekeep harder, bois!"

>>97903786
>a short blurb where it shows leman russ doing comical challenges to both the emperor and the lion
>from 1989
>but le marvel primarchs are a recent thing
The setting has always been like this.

>>97903788
Anon that model hasn't been a thing since 2ed edition where the grimdark reached its peak in 3rd. You're speaking nonsense.

>>97903778
>today I'll remind them.

this is just the backstory of the imperium and horus heresy, anon. what the fuck does this have to do with primarchs returning to the M41 setting and becoming the center of attention

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>>97903788
>Some grimdark things have been dialed back
I'd look at examples of how they grimdark'd Agri Worlds, a relatively new development.

>>97903703
It's odd seeing the disconnect between my experience and modren opinion. I started 40k about 7-8 months after 2nd came out . Us 16yo-22yo played the shit out of it. To inaugurate the release of 3rd we fired up a league. After two or three games we packed up our 40k stuff and stuffed it in the closet. We deemed that gw streamlined the game into oblivion. Our concensus was GW changed the demographic from 16yo-24yo to 9yo-14yo. 40k only came back in my area towards the end of 4th due to Apocalypse and the sweet ass big box deals.

>>97903788
>then then
some humans wear bomb vests to kill enemies of mankind
>then
after serving in the guard you get to settle on a planet you conquered if you survive
>now
after your grueling years of surviving in the guard you get turned into a servitor

>>97903241
I don't give a fuck about named characters. I want a multibuild haemonculus and new grotesques.

>>97903790
no that didn't fucking work because arch warhammer is a retarded secondary faggot tourist. literally the only way you could actually gatekeep 40k is via mass murder, and that's not on the cards. the better solution is to just repeat the same shit over and over again until someone tells an influencer, who influences other influencers and their viewers, so more people repeat the same shit over and over that you agree with, until eventually the only one actively cheering on more loyalist primarch returns is Valrak while the masses clamor for grimdark. seems to be working so far.

of course, the third option, and the best option, is to read the rape scenes and find Ian Watson's hidden treasure chest.

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>>97903651
I still want them to do an Imperium civil war.
Guilliman's Ultramar-based reformist Imperium vs a High Lords of Terra's full grimdark reactionary Imperium. Justify the endless space marine vs space marine matchups. Leave the Imperium Nihilus to its own devices under Dante and the Lion as neutral for anyone who doesn't want to commit.

>>97903717
You can only have this opinion if you disregard everything that happened in 8e. Either way, you're just whining.

>>97903709
Always hated that guy’s art. Everything looks goofy

>>97903766
>the scale of the setting shall shrink
>no steel Legion present on armageddon anymore
HE WAS RIGHT

>>97903832
The Lion looks like a long blonde haired Mediterranean man

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How does Fabulous Bill play on the tabletop? I like his appearance, he has that old crazy professor look I can only hope to acquire when I'm in my 60's. But his point cost seems pretty low for a named character, and a lot of his stats seem kinda dodgy. I'm asking people who've either fielded him or fought against him.

James Workshop vs Jim Darkness

>>97903850
you don't take him for his personal stats, you take him because he gives a brick of chosen +1s and T you dimwit

>>97903855
nta but was that last bit of commentary necessary?

>>97903861
FUCK YOU

>>97903861
This is not your safe space, redditor. Feel free to leave anytime, nobody wants you here anyway

>>97903690
Outdated marketing and the fanbase. I shit you not, it's not ANYTHING out of current GW and was never in the actual writing. People saw the fucking surface level 8th ed marketing which was when GW was deliberately trying to appeal to literal children (remember Warhammer Adventures?). By COVID all that shit was gone, the only thing left is people gaslighting themselves into believing that GW is "making the setting less grimdark" because there's a vocal group of terminally online fans, mostly tertiaries, who think 40k shouldn't be grimdark and have gaslit themselves into thinking the 8th ed marketing changed the setting into 2015 Age of Sigmar. They don't engage with 40k beyond the barest surface level, so they saw pic related and went "yep! 40k isn't grimdark anymore!" These tertiaries successfully mindraped a vocal minority of people into thinking that GW was actually making the setting less grimdark when it's the opposite, there's more grimdark and grimderp in the setting than ever, fucking agri-worlds got retconned into being WORSE THAN HIVE WORLDS. GUILLIMAN IS BORDERLINE SUICIDAL. MORE MARINES ARE DYING THAN EVER BEFORE. CADIA IS GONE. ABADDON IS REBUILDING HORUS'S DARK EMPIRE IN THE IMPERIUM NIHILUS. THE NECRONS ARE ACTUALLY TAKING SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNTS OF IMPERIAL TERRITORY. MULTIPLE NAMED WORLDS WITH THEIR OWN SUBFACTIONS HAVE BEEN TAKEN BY CHAOS OR ISOLATED BY THE GREAT RIFT. FENRIS WAS NEARLY DESTROYED. THE DEATH GUARD HAVE AN EMPIRE VERY CLOSE TO THE TAU EMPIRE AND ULTRAMAR THAT REGULARLY RAIDS BOTH REGIONS. HIVE FLEET LEVIATHAN IS EVERYWHERE. THE ORKS ARE ON A TRAJECTORY THAT WILL PUT THEM ON THE SAME LEVEL THEY WERE DURING THE WAR OF THE BEAST.

and then these people have the gall to complain about primarch returns. the only valid complaint they have is that named characters take up too much limelight, but it's not really a change, its always been like that.

>>97903828
I still think they could do a firstborn vs primaris civil war to sell two product lines at the same time

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>>97903872
OH FUCK I FORGOT TO POST THE PIC RELATED FUUUUUUCK. now i look like a retard.

>>97903879
They already sell 40k for primaris and HH for firstborn? Nothing is stopping you from using those firstborn miniatures in 40k.

>>97903867
We can treat peers with respect anon

>>97903850
He makes Chosen nastier and if using his detachment you can reroll the dice that decide the augmentations

>>97903889
They could sell even more marines though with a civil war.

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>night lords lighting is literally painted on the armour
>it’s actual lighting
>it’s fake lighting being projected across the armour
What’s your favourite explanation?

>>97903898
Thanks. Might try him.

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>>97903872
Using the term tertiaries because you don't want to insult BL reading secondary faggots is cringe thoughbeit

>>97903872
if they ever had the primarchs come back and start wiping the floor with everyone, they'd immediately undo it by having guilliman order 66 the imperium and declare himself Alpharius to keep the grimdark intact somehow

>>97903882
>admech completely excluded from the big imperium group photo
poor sods

>>97903276
Crisis suits are kinda the shittiest looking thing in the range and they dont even have all the wargear they need in the kit. Borad side looks better among their shit line of mechs, but if you're updating crisis sits you kinda need to update him too.

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>>97903872
>doesn't even mention Eldar
heh

Not that you need to since it's the same as it ever was for them: slowly going extinct.

>>97903906
they'll pull some shit like this the moment the primarchs are all returned because when they do that, they won't have anything else to keep up franchise engagement and keep people hyped, so they'll bullshit something crazy and then pull out some dusty ass Rick Priestley lore or HH throwaway line as justification.

>>97903282
Total sigmarite victory

>>97903906
Sorry but we're going into Age of The Emperor territory.

>>97903908
They just like to use ad mech as comic relief and shit like that which is a shame.

>>97903901
I always liked to assume that they had a means of overcharging their suits to create the effect and rattle their enemies, like how Blackbeard put smoking fuses into his beard before battle

>>97903872
Thanks anon.
>Abaddon is rebuilding Horus' Dark Empire
Is this Abby's "endgame" plan after the Imperium finally is vanquished? Just rule an Empire for the chaos gods?

>>97903906
>>97903913
retards are like "primarchs returning DOES NOT destroy the setting on a thematic level, and the reason why is because GW would do something that destroys the setting on a thematic level because of their return!"

>>97903900
What you are describing would at most be something like a narrative campaign book. The Badab War, a civil war between chapters of firstborn marines, yielded the release of only several FW characters. It would not be necessary to do an entirely different range to accomodate such an inconsequential narrative event.

It might be fun for you to play Red Corsairs, since they are the remnants of the rebelling space marines from the Badab War. Not necessarily a civil war between firstborn and primaris but likely the closest you will get to it since they also aren't totally about chaos.

You can also just make up your own scenario and have your HH firstborn and primaris fight. This is a hobby with just about endless possibilities.

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>tfw didn't even get a chance to paint a few minis at work tonight

>>97903928
You don't think they could sell an entire firstborn line? Fair enough. I think the transition to primaris was a bit of a wet fart in the lore though, and it being an inconsequential event is part of the reason it's lame. More backlash from the traditionalist imperium would've been super cool.

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>>97903922
Yes, while convincing himself that he's not a slave of the chaos gods. The goal Abaddon and the rest of the Black Legion are fighting for the Imperium is the same one they initially fought the Heresy for: The belief that Astartes have a natural right to rule over humanity any way they see fit, that the Emperor is weak and not giving them what they deserve by allowing humans to rule the Imperium on a higher level than marines. Abaddon is Senator Armstrong if Senator Armstrong was actually a slave to eldritch gods who want to enslave and torture humanity forever but he deluded himself into thinking that he was actually using those gods to achieve his original goal - the strong ruling over the weak.

>tfw gw releases space marines classic models

>>97903942
Clearly Abaddon should have been an Ultramarine instead.

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>>97903942
So he's fuckin Megatron?

>>97903872
Midwit post

>>97903958
...yeah, man. he's megatron. fuck, his voice actors even sound like they're trying to do a megatron impression.

>>97903942
>Abaddon is Senator Armstrong if Senator Armstrong was actually a slave to eldritch gods who want to enslave and torture humanity forever but he deluded himself into thinking that he was actually using those gods to achieve his original goal - the strong ruling over the weak.
That is the best analogy I was not expecting to be presented with but I now get it completely.
I still listen to the MGR music to this day.

What do you know about the other Undivided legions?

why does everyone seethe about yabbadabbadon, he's just a cartoon villain, I don't get why people get mad about him so much

>>97903969
It's because his arms stopped falling off, it's ridiculous.

>>97903959
disprove his points, tell us how 40k is less grimdark now

>>97903969
>seethe about yabbadabbadon
>everyone
Not everyone
I think it is generally "interest and expression of observation" in how GW has been trying to fix Abbadon in the eyes of secondaries.
The most obvious fix was getting rid of his metal model where the arms kept falling off and replacing it with a new plastic model.
Admittedly I'd prefer if Abby didn't have the primaris helmet spiked and standing on a dead primaris marine to make his model "era-agnostic" but I think the helm can be replaced with a preferably Horus Heresy era head and the primaris marine corpse should just be a huge tactical rock out of greenstuff.

>I don't get why people get mad about him so much
The biggest reason I think some people are mad about Abby is that ADB kind of turned Abby into a self insert daddy issues character. I'm not sure if that's just parroted info among secondaries of if true.
That and some of the stuff he pulls off kind of comes across as some 13 year old edgy Sonic the Hedgehog OC stuff in execution.

>>97903937
There is plenty of pushback in the lore. There are multiple instances of firstborn marines killing their primaris recruits upon meeting them. It just doesn't justify an entirely new model range. If it makes you feel better there are rumors of a true scale Mk VII squad coming to HH/The Scouring. With that kit you would be able to set up such a scenario.

>>97903988
>some of the stuff he pulls off kind of comes across as some 13 year old edgy Sonic the Hedgehog OC stuff in execution
I mean yeah, he's a cartoon villain. Look at the night lords, they're 100% cringe, but they own it. Abaddon can be cringe too. Cringe and cool are two sides of the same coin.

How dumb is in a 1k game to put 5 fire dragons and 5 banshees in the same transport serpent?

It’s very clear they are just going back to stagnation 40k lore with a “sprinkle” of progression

The Indomintus crusade, pariah nexus, and the 4th Tyrannic war hasn’t truly ended yet and now we move into Armageddon again


You see a lot of primarch complaining but outside of introductory books we sort of actually don’t know what they do anymore. We know of Lions do nothing but what exactly has Robute done recently? Have we followed his perspective recently? Angrons book enforces the idea his simply to far gone, Fulgrim actually did shit in 40k before nulore etc

>>97903942
>Abbaddon is Senator Armstrong
Alright Titus is now going to take Raiden's place.
>https://youtu.be/TTxAlkD-xDI?t=66

>FOUGHT ORKS DURING THE GREAT CRUSADE YA KNOW!
>As some barely used reserve force!
>TRY THE FRONT LINES AT THE LARGEST ORK EMPIRE OF ULLANOR!
>COULD HAVE DONE A FASTER JOB WITH TOTAL CONTROL OF THE IMPERIAL NAVY!
>I'M NOT ONE OF THOSE SOULLESS SLAVED PANSIES!
>I COULD BREAK YOUR PRIMARCH IN TWO
>WITH MY BARE HANDS
>DON'T FUCK WITH THIS LEGIONNAIRE!

>>97903872
>>97904010
Truth Nvkes

>>97903975
Grimdark isn't how fucked up the geostrategic stituation of the imperium is described to be in a campaign book 3 people read, it's the aesthetic tone of the art, models, game rules, and codex blurbs. All of which are markedly less grimdark as they now fixated on much cleaner traditional sci fi, heros and villans of larger than life scale, and with the exception of like 2 of the new artists, a very clean digital style.

>>97904019
Its way cooler now

>>97903969
"The leader of chaos marines actually HATES chaos and is an epic atheist and he's super cool and he leads a trillion billion marines, and..."

just fucking lame desu

>>97904010
>>97903872
Ironic everyone complains the same names characters show up everywhere yet when GW actually bothers to keep them separate we get complaints they don’t meet

We currently live in the worst of both sides we get progression slop that goes nowhere but we don’t truly get stagnating like old 40k

>>97903963
Iron Warriors is a shitfest of Warsmiths fucking each other over for their own glory, with Perturabo's favor as an afterthought. They're not as ideologically devoted to the Long War as Abaddon and the Black Legion, but they still pay lip service to it. They're mostly just spiteful, they want revenge on the Imperium for wronging them more than anything else, and just want to make it suffer. They'd be fine with Perturabo getting off his butt and deciding to build his own empire if it meant they got the chance to fuck over the Imperial Fists and the Imperium at large. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

Word Bearers nominally operate under the delusion that they are saving humanity. Lorgar (and by extension, most of his legion) believes that the fall of the Eldar was because the Eldar didn't worship Chaos, and that they would have survived, even thrived if they had simply been chaos worshippers. They truly believe that the only way for humanity to survive is to accept "the primordial truth" that it must worship Chaos. Of course, they're also just fanatical worshippers of Chaos Undivided outside of that, and are closest to Warhammer Fantasy Chaos Warriors out of any chaos marine legion.

The Alpha Legion is just a bunch of cells that don't keep contact with each other pursuing all kinds of contradictory goals, outside of that I'm not sure what their game is, they genuinely seem like they infiltrated the Imperium at the deepest levels just as a protocol and then destabilize it with no actual goal in mind, but there could be more to them if GW decides to do more

Night Lords are a bunch of fucking degenerates who are broken and basically on survival mode. Each warband just terrorizes people for the hell of it and survival. Some openly worship Chaos, others are like Abaddon in the sense that they're slaves to the gods but will deny it until their dying breath. They're degenerate raiders who lost any sense of overarching purpose when their primarch died.

>>97903996
>Look at the night lords, they're 100% cringe, but they own it
That's partially the crux of it.
The Night Lords are presented as a kind of self aware edgy the edgehog kind of thing.

The BL are different in that they want to be taken seriously by the fanbase.
The problem to my knowledge is that the presentation of the BL is that they're not being presented properly as shit like logistics and demonstrations of their efficiency aren't properly executed.
>INB4 destruction of Cadia
The big Blackstone fortress chucked at the planet is a lot like Abby pulling a panic influenced desperate gamble to take out the planet as nearly everything started to go wrong for him.

I think the BL are having the same problem the Ultramarines are having in that they're too becoming too perfect nowadays. It doesn't help that they're also the posterboys of their respective factions so naturally they'll get the most attention and scrutiny from the fanbase.

>>97903958
Don't compare my 4 million year old warlord to a scrub like Abaddon. Megs has done infinitely more damage to Cybertron and the entire universe then anything Abaddon and the Black Legion has ever accomplished.

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>>97903244
beakie

>>97904038
looks fantastic so far

>>97903790
It's impossible to gatekeep a multi billion dollar franchise that you don't own. Especially when it is also as decentralized as 40k is.

Only thing you can do is to vet the people who you personally play with and filter all the tards who aren't fun to play with and other people with obvious redflags, faggots, people who constantly bring up politics, etc.

This is just a long winded way of saying;
"Play with your friends."

>>97904053
Play with
People who are 5'10" and taller
People with well painted models
People who are not fat and groom themselves
People who are not going through a divorce

And you will have literally no issues.

>>97904010
Most loretubers and even the 40k lore reddit have turned on primarchs coming back and progression in general

Even Auspex highlights anti primarch sentiment in his lore videos the only one who likes primarchs still is Valrak but that’s because that’s his genuine opinion

>>97904032
Really good post anon. I now believe you are actually knowledgeable in chaos space marine lore that is deeper than surface level memes.

Is it true that the different undivided legions represent different "specialized facets" of what renegades are like? In many ways they are all of the labels but they specialize in particular ones. Where BL may be the one that has that Ultramarine thing in being jack of all trades before they are super duper special boys.
I vaguely remember discussion about it:
>WB heretics
>IW traitors
>NL renegades
>AL I'm not sure.

Lastly is it true that the greatest asset of the legions aren't their chaos gods but actually their legions astartes combat doctrines because the whole Codex Astartes thing was limiting the power of the chapters to prevent another HH?

>>97904032
I actually kinda like that in the new Eye of Terror story the IW aren't even pretending to give a shit about Abaddon and the Black Legion anymore. Now that Peter has decided to get off his ass and do stuff himself the IW have no reason to play nice with any of the other traitors anymore because they want to be the ones to destroy the Imperium. Makes me like them a little bit.

>>97904056
>People who are 5'10" and taller
man, what did I do?

>>97904068
The short are frequently mentally ill and difficult to deal with, best avoided.

>>97904072
kek too true!

>>97904053
>Only thing you can do is to vet the people who you personally play with and filter all the tards who aren't fun to play with and other people with obvious redflags, faggots, people who constantly bring up politics, etc.
Can I get a big list of redflags, please?
Preferably so I don't wear these redflags and self reflect to better myself at the LGS.
You only get one chance to make a proper first impression when it comes to gaming at the tables.

>>97904058
I mean most 4chan opinions trickle down into the mainstream I even see YouTube comments hating prinarchs and removing of mystery

I’d argue we won’t see another loyalist primarch till 13th edition

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So since we already have 3 end of the edition books out (500 Worlds, The Maelstrom and Eye of Terro) and the 4th one coming out soon (Armageddon), what do we think of it?

>>97903850
He's very meta and so is his detachment, it's a safe pick.

>>97904019
I mean, it was always like that. The marketing and writing language was always some faux heroic shit when describing the imperium's conflicts juxtaposed against humanity at large being degenerate retarded cavemen. There have always been bright illustrations of marines and guardsmen heroically fighting EVIL!!!!!! while named characters steal the show and engage in HEROISM!!!!!! the fact those named characters can now be primarchs just makes it a bit more obvious. Bolter porn has been a thing since Brothers of the Snake (where a squad of space marines HEROICALLY!!!!!!!!! kill an entire dark eldar kabal and a single space marine is more than enough to counter a dark eldar raid). At least Lewis Jones is a modern John Blanche/Adrian Smith when it comes to how grim and dark his work is, and the War Zone campaign books so far have all been Imperial losses (we won't talk about Arks of Omen, which was kinda fucking gay)

>>97904058
Feels like plebbitors and sloptubers have realized how irrelevant Primarchs are to 40k in terms of impact to the current setting because GW has been so shit at handling the returned loyalist, especially Lion, that it made no difference and nothing changed. Guess the novelty grew stale when the only thing that happened when Lion came back was plotlines that went no where.

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>>97904092
They just removed the fallen autism with the DA since the Lion must be present for every fallen captured now

Outside of gathering storm and plague wars every other Nu lore event has not been given a true ending

>>97904058
>the only one who likes primarchs still is Valrak but that’s because that’s his genuine opinion

It's his genuine opinion mixed with sunk cost fallacy. Dude has been making "I WANT PRIMARCHS TO RETURN!!! THEY'LL ALL COME BACK ANY DAY NOW!!!" videos for almost 10 years, now. Him going back on that would require admitting that he was wrong the entire time and has been a terrible influence on the 40k community outside of leaks. He's never going to do that.

>>97904098
Lore sources please? The Fallen autism has changed but I can't see it as being completely removed from the DA.
Are the hunts for the Fallen now just focused on Fallen that cannot be redeemed now because they've fallen to chaos and the risen are just renegades that resisted chaos?

>>97904058
>the only one who likes primarchs still is Valrak but that’s because that’s his genuine opinion
and he's also a genuine fucking idiot which should be pretty telling about the kind of people that actually want primarchs returning

>>97904103
The lion must past judgment either execution or they become risen

>>97904106
he seems nice enough

>>97904058
>Even Auspex highlights anti primarch sentiment in his lore videos

What?? Where?

>>97904112
Auspex will make lore videos sometimes but he only will wink wink nudge nudge to get people to comment

He doesn’t like primaris tho

>>97903222
Anybody got all the Imperial Armour/Forge World era Horus Heresy books in high quality PDF scan format please?

I want to make a big image album of images like the OP pic.
Are there any other miniature companies that do this? Maybe scale model companies?

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>>97904010
>Fulgrim actually did shit in 40k before
That applies to all the Daemon Primarchs really, hell Angron was active during the First War for Armageddon. Now GW just justifies their big models by saying the Great Rift lets Daemons manifest in realspace more often.

>>97904082
>500 Worlds
Used to shill Titus and act as an ad for the eventual Necron plot for SM3.
>The Maelstrom
No one cares about the tax evading retards and the pirate elves. This only exist to soft squat the Ynnari with Corsairs because the Ynnari storyline is dead at this point.
> Eye of Terror
Will be used to expand on the IW because Peterturbo will be getting a demon Primarch model soon. Admech is there to job to them.
>Armageddon
Eh, I like Yarrick but I'm not interested in the BA being there.

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>>97903244
Just finished painting the adepticon boy

>>97904119
Top: Soulless
Bottom: SOVL

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After finding out how horrifying a practice veneers are today, I’m kinda curious what dental hygiene is like in the grim darkness of 40k.

>>97904123
>soulless vs sovl again
NTA but

What makes something have sovl?
And what are some modern sculpts with CAD tech that are examples of it?

I think 11th edition is gonna be a smaller edition I just have a feeling it won’t do gang buster numbers

>>97904074
>Can I get a big list of redflags, please?
In no certain order
>wash yourself regularly
>use deodorant
>don't be an ass, be respectful
>don't bring up politics constantly (most people enjoy this hobby to specifically get away from that shit)
>don't bring up world war 2 (unless you're talking about vehicle designs, etc. but don't bring up the events)
>don't sperg out over weird shit
>don't be a faggot (and I do mean the rainbow hair flaming lala homo kind)
>don't bring up this website
>don't bring up reddit
>don't bring up controversial 40k topics, like female custodes, etc.
Those are some I can think of.

>>97904122
Nice. I maybe would have done the shoulder pad checks in black and white to get it to stand out a bit more from the shirt.

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>>97904127
probably bad for most people but great for the military!!!!

>>97904132
>What makes something have sovl?
Soul is a meaningless word people use because they have nothing insightful to say.

>>97904127
>that image
She looks hot, but I don't like it. It gives me Dark Eldar vibes.

>>97904133
It'll make big numbers if GW does plan to release demon Peterturbo because Primarchs are the "print money" button for GW when they need to impress investors.

>>97904119
always loved the old design for magnus. like tzeentch was doing some AM shit, and turned the elegant super genius primarch into a caveman retard swinging a club because tzeentch thought it would be funny.

>>97904119
>top: warcraft cartoon artstyle nonsense
>bottom: demonic creatures from medieval illustrations

>>97904119
>top
Overdesigned and meant to be display pieces instead of proper structurally stable and resistant to drops wargaming models
Worst case scenario designed with bits to break off after a fall off the table to make the customer buy another one to get a replacement bit as fixing is too difficult
>bottom
properly structurally stable wargaming pieces but lacking in detailing due to sculpting methods not being the best at the time

What are some examples of modern models that meet the proper middle ground of this?

>>97904119
I only like Morty’s old design. Magnus is better, sorta, kinda. But that’s because he’s not just a fat marine.

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>>97903244
Just finished this guy, some of the dangers of being the plasma gunner

>>97904156
>medieval illustrations
Ah yes, the blue knuckledragger gorillaman cyclops with a red mohawk and yellow, white and red bird wings.
The most common and generic of medieval illustrations.

>>97904164
pretty frickin cool man

>>97904127
Dentist chicks are odd balls

>Perturabo getting on the tabletop before Lorgar
Fuck this gay earth

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>>97904127
>that pic
I hate going to the dentist and I hate looking like a slob at the LGS.
Yet my teeth are bad.
I guess it is par for the course of being an Imperial Guard player. At least I've lost some weight from a bit of a diet change.

>>97904171
Magnus must have a magnum dong

>>97904171
Magnus with candycorn wings is kino

>>97904170
Corax bullied him

>>97904132
The designer actually wanted to do it and had some control over the process vs. a business man telling designer what to make and what to go with because it will sell well.
>modern examples?
kommandos and wrecka krew come to mind. you can definitely tell they put genuine effort into making everything look nice and orky.

>>97904170
GW has been avoiding giving WB anything for years now despite them being the posterboys of Chaos Undivided. I wouldn't be surprised if Alpharius came back to life and got a model before Lorgar.

>>97903651
the scene in godblight where he literally turns into an avatar of the empire and shoots the big holy laser beam directly into nurgles face and explodes his demon swamp dimension begs to differ, retard.

>>97904186
>two events over the course of ten years

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>>97904058
>Most loretubers and even the 40k lore reddit have turned on primarchs coming back and progression in general

It's simple, really. Guilliman first returned when TTS was popular and ongoing, one of its selling points was primarchs returning and progression, so people basedfaced when they finally did it canonically and begged for more. Then after a few years after TTS died and the hype died down a lot of people realized that if they got what they asked for, 40k would be unrecognizable and not have a lot of what made it appealing to begin with, so they made pic related face and started getting buyer's remorse. Nevermind the fact that a lot of people are just sick and tired of seeing centerpiece models dominate the game and don't want to see more of them introduced.

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>>97904089
Lewis jones is one of the few I was talking about cranking out bangers. But there is no denying there is an overall tone shift in the things that matter (the way the models look, the way the codex art looks, the thematics of the most important things) is pure copium.

Special characters going from blinged out normal infantry man type models to a different class of miniature all together, 30% taller than a normal man astride 50 mm scenic bases changes the tone from more grim and grimy to huge and heroic totally apart from, and in my opinion, much more critical than the writing. The models are the most important window into the setting. Look at the difference between old huron and new huron for example. He's gone from rather haunting looking evil bad marine to larger than life cartoon villany. Not a bad model by any means, but the tone difference is extremely clear, and this applies to more or less all of them.

Primaris is the obvious clean scifi redesign, but that's also a lot of that in the imperial guard as well, votann contribute to that, the 40k admech range. Compare the industrial looking old sentinel to the more standard sci fi new one. There's a long long list of models you can do this for, but I can't think of any redesign where a model got more grim. Maybe basic chaos marines.

While they do have a few good artists, they're also relying still on a lot of cheap digital art like pic related. It's nowhere near as dire as the mid 2010s where everything looked even worse than this, but the issue with cheap digital art is that it looks extremely clean and plastic, where cheap unskilled traditional art has an inherent tendency towards grim and grime, so it changes the core feeling.

>>97904188
the reality is just that primarchs are just big smart dudes and dont really change anything because 40k was already filled with lots of big smart dude chapter masters like marneus calgar and dante who are functionally primarchs. the only difference is their wiki page doesnt list them as being 12 feet or whatever, but narratively they function as the biggest smartest guy in the story which is exactly what a primarch is.

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>>97904127
When gold and platinum grills became popular with rappers Ice Tea said "I'm not attaching anything to myself I can't easily hand over to the guy pointing a gun at me".

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Of all the lore rape of nu 40k why would they bother to still go

>Ohhh jet bikes are too rare still

The fact the white scars finally got this after all these years is crazy like about fucking time

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Admech bros keep winning

>>97904188
I feel like when Guilliman released, it was only like 10% of the fandom (including new incoming fans) who were really opposed to while 90% of the fandom was celebrating and saying they wanted more, that they really wanted to see 40k progress and all of the mysteries resolved and possible plot threads explored. And now, almost ten years later, it feels like 50% of the fandom don't really like the progression and think the primarchs should stay in the Horus Heresy for the the most part. It really feels more divided on whether or not you want primarchs to return and the plot to advance or not

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>>97904203
kind of weird since ganger retards on nercomunda have them

>>97904203
What the fuck happened to "forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be relearned"?

>>97904127
One of the books say they get tooth powder.

>>97904199
Trvth nvke!!!!!!

>>97904164
>The only survivor of the Great Thunder Wolf Crusade that saw orks, tau, chaos space marines, eldar all join forces to repel the Space Wolves from Tee’Ji Minor

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>>97904219
fat fuck

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>>97904203
Anti-grav shit isn't rare and never was. Pic related.
Fucking Escher gangers on Necromunda figured it out and they just welded some anti-grav shit onto a jet engine and called it good.

>>97904223
This is not a "relearned". Cawl and his goons are making new stuffs, even a whole new class of Battle Barge.

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>>97904199
If you dont understand how this changes the feel of the setting, you are retarded.

i'm really struggling with making a basic greenstuff benis tabard lol

Post a unit your army is missing that seems like a blatant oversight.

>how do we not have close combat dedicated servitors for ad mech?

I remember seeing the magazine supplements for Inquisitor where one guy used Ghazghkull as the base for a combat servitor with two power claws and thinking how rad it was, I want a unit of that.