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is it ok to store spare parts in acid free baggies like this? i dont want to have like 100 2x3 bags for each fucking hand, seems a bit silly
im worried about paint stain or paint rubbing if stored for 10+ years
is that possible if i just store the baggie in a drawer with no friction ?
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>>11738116
I use quarter-gallon ziplok baggies, and have for years. They work just fine. And figures come with way too much shit to keep track of now. Smaller ones are OK for smaller figures that don't have a lot of accessories, but my experience is that in general the baggies made for individual figures rot and get holes in them much faster than ziplok baggies do.
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>>11738118
i purchased the baggies that specifically mention being acid free and made from that pro something something stuff that does not decay
bas not food baggies
im just worried about putting spare parts in one baggie
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>>11738123
>does not decay
scratch that but my worries still stand
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>>11738123
They're not comic books or anything paper that'll react to plastics in the long run. That really isn't an issue. IF the plastic on a toy discolors, then it's from the environment or from the type of plastic it's made out of as it begins long-term decomposing.
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>>11738131
so me storing these parts like in my images wont damage them if they just sit in a dark drawer?
im worried about lets say one part touching other and paint rubbing or staining the other

in other words ocd and schizo is my affliction
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>>11738134
>so me storing these parts like in my images wont damage them if they just sit in a dark drawer?
No. Sunlight and oxygen do more to damage toys than baggies in darkness do. Paint rubbing does occur with multiple things rubbing against each other, but that's not gonna occur for stuff that's just sitting there.
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>>11738116
I try to keep the spare (for example Spider-Man) or Superman hands that came together with each other - some of it is easy, like the hands that come with the Negative Zone or Future Foundation suit but others are far less so. I would also worry about paint rubbing but don't plan to store things for 10 years either.

I would air shit out ever so often. But I haven't done in yearly and stuff has been fine, but I'm redoing all that right this minute so the longest something was either still in the original box was 2 years (after I got it - or in some cases, 10 years since the box was factory shipped - and it's been fine). Of course, a cardboard box with a piece of clamshell window is not as air tight as a small plastic baggie.

>>11738123
>food baggies
>>11738127
>decay
PICREL was a lot win with two other lots of heads and other things (stands), I sorted it out, listed some crap to sell and stored everything separately but the McFarlane lightening effects were all stored together in just a Dollar Tree baggie, the only thing that got separate good small sized baggies were the heads, and I am often playing with those and swapping them out that they are definitely getting aired out. But I had some of those effects, like your weapons in the second picture, in the same baggie for almost two years until the past week.
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>>11738139
I bought the three McFarlane Weaspons pack from a Chinese KO seller, dirt cheap, and mostly left them as they arrived - one came in the clamshell as McFarlane actually sells them, which made me realize these are either factory rejects or factory thefts, but the other two came into their own version of cheap sandwhich baggies and i just left them dumped together, but these were in a drawer, not a box. They are fine.

I've been spending the last week collecting and sorting all this stuff, storing saw the weapons to a Red Hood figure together in their own acid-free baggie, but most of the stuff like the McFarlane and other weapons I have gotten as fodder and I have no clue what the fuck they are for or from, I am putting all machine guns together, all space guns together, etc.

And they are going to go into pencil boxes or something like that. Right now they are clean new zip lock bags.

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>>11738138
>but that's not gonna occur for stuff that's just sitting there.
Agreed - I also am not packing these baggies in, the stuff I was talking about - using cheap Dollar Tree baggies - all that was loose packed into a box, not tightly packed with no space. Nothing "rubbed" against each other - because that's my OCD as well.
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wait but i was thinking a small ventilation in the bag is good for storage? in case some plastics give off gasses they will escape and not dmg the stuff inside as much
oh god so its bad if i made a small hole in my baggies?
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>>11738158
It doesn't make a difference.
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>>11738162
meaning? like i fucked up or not?
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>>11738169
No you didn't, There's oxygen in the bag anyway. Unless you place a toy into a vacuum then replace the oxygen with inert xenon that doesn't react to plastic, the oxygen will still do its damage over the next few decades. Here's a pic of a MOC Cobra Commander that's yellowing anyway in spite of having never been opened up. I wouldn't be surprised if the O-ring is busted or about to bust as well in spite of having never been played with by kids. It's not sun-bleaching because the cardback would be sun-bleached, and it's not smokers because the cardback would be yellowed too.

That's what happens with oxygen and time, and none of us have a special vacuum pump with xenon gas-replacement capabilities lying around.
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>>11738179
that does not look that bad desu
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>>11738192
Yellowing is still yellowing, and that little bit easily killed around $1,000 off of the top end of the value for a MOC Cobra Commander.
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>>11738194
thanfully i collect only to have them for me, i rip the cardboard and pose them up
if out of space they get put in a baggie and go to dark jail drawer
i mean im not collecting bright colour figures, mostly lotr stuff
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>>11738116
I've done it for several years and have had no issues so far. The only things that have discolored are just from paint transferring from one object to the other, nothing due to the bags themselves. I also make sure to get bags with holes in them and to also put holes in the lids of tubs so whatever gasses are being let off can escape.
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>>11738116
Acid free shit is for photographic stuff or paper in general. Nothing is going to happen to plastic inside regular bags
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>>11738179
he would have yellowed faster if he was opened.

Aging and declay is inevitable, but you can use bags to keep shit fresh longer.
Using a freezer and refridgator also helps too, but that's entering ridiculous territory unless you're rich enough to not share it with your food.

Also, don't poke holes in your bag. Just open it every year or three/six months. It's also the perfect time to check on its condition.
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>>11738158
You should ventilate the stuff in plastic bag - once in a while. People suggest yearly but I have gone longer.

You definitely do not need to poke a hole or small hole(s) in your baggies. If you are doing this and storing them thinking you can forget about them for years, what you really need to do is photograph and sell them, or collect them and donate them, or send them to the landfill.
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>>11740468
>You definitely do not need to poke a hole or small hole(s) in your baggies
but doing that is harmless right? just retarded? asking for clarification
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How do farts affect toys?
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>>11741914
it's better for them to be air tight, because oxidation is a thing. air ciriculation is bad and it's better to limit it to when you air it out every year or so.

If you want to be anal, buy those oxygen absorber packets. silica/moisture packets aren't the same thing and aren't really needed for plastic.
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>>11741973
>because oxidation is a thing
ehhhh?
I mean what about those collectors that have all the shit on display with no cases
i refuse to believe some oxygen will damage everything if it sits on a table for 10 years
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>>11742045
>i refuse to believe some oxygen will damage everything if it sits on a table for 10 years
Because you don't know that oxygen is corrosive.

companies already include antioxidants into their plastics to keep their products from shifting colors over time, but only when they actually know the color/plastic reacts to it negatively. Companies have been taking into account these things for at least half a century.

That picture of the SNES is where the main body wasnt tested for longevity, while other parts made of different plastics remained grey. The chipped part shows that the inside of the plastic that didn't touch air (oxygen) has stayed grey too, but now that it's exposed, it'll slowly shift over time.

Since plastic and color formulas are constantly changing, there's a chance new combination of color and plastic will cause it to degrade faster than normal. Or maybe China fucks up or cheaps out.
So if you're an anal collector, you would want to also take into account all the bad things that are damaging to your toys and take precautions.

Personally, i have boxes that are air tight, but only because they're way better made than regular plastic boxes. I don't insert anything with them, but i do put moisture packets in with my art/comic book boxes + electronics/media.

pic is how connectors blocked airflow to certain parts, which allowed the plastics in those parts to remain their original color, while everything else that was exposed to air became yellow.
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>>11738138
>Sunlight and oxygen do more to damage toys t
I am not psychologically built for toys, this shit causes me crazy anxiety. Every time I look at my figures, I just think of them evaporating away all the time, fading etc. I really struggle to get past it mentally.
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>>11742119
i read about this for a little while today, i have come to the conclusion that oxygen thingy is too much to care about, i mean even if you seal it in a baggie its not 100 percent sealed, if i were to care about oxygen then i would enter autism territory
i mean thats too much
i will just be satisfied with acid free baggies that each have diff accesories of some sort never touching in a dark drawer (baggies have one tiny hole or two.
in conclusion im not that autistic
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>>11742501
oh, i agree with you, because I'm not planning to ever resell my shit. I play with my toys and even lose track of their accessories.
But if you do care about maximum resellability and having everything in mint condition 2, 5 or even 20 years down the line, I'd take the extra precautions.

Those oxygen absorbers are for when you can't seal them 100% and can't take out the air completely from bags.
Like i said in an earlier post, aging and decay is inevitable, but every extra precaution you take will extend the life and condition of your toys by years and even decades.

I used to work in a library, btw, so i had to learn about archiving shit properly. This includes plastics, since we also had to take care of CDs, films, and other storage mediums.
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>>11743102
Those oxygen thingies, is there anything like that for larger spaces like a display case or is that just a fools errand and there is too much air/air movement for it to ever have an effect?
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>>11743106
A display case isnt even pretending to be air tight, you'd be endlessly chasing your tail. You can put in those large packets, but they'd lose their effect in a month or so.
An enclosed space is useful though, as it minimizes the amount of air circulation/contact. Slightly useful, but it's something.

It should be worth noting, after 10-20 years, that's when you want to be vigiltant with anything plastic, because that's when plasticizers start to really come out. Dry rot also starts to take place. So a box is better than a bag at this point, because a bag will trap the gases and bags can touch the figure at multiple points, which causes the plasticizers to accumulate back onto the figure to cause (more) damage.
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>>11743182
I've done archival work for art, which also included sculpture so included mixed media, including poly resin, plastic, etc.

You are right about all this but very few action figures are going to worth this time and expense as far as reselling them 20 years down the line. I was buying action figures from someone who was selling for a Vegas widow, who found her husband's store locker once they hounded her to pay the bill or get the shit out, and it was all climate controlled, unboxed, opened but carefully packed and even inventoried with a spreadsheet.

I have gotten some great deals from this seller because these are all auctions and some idiots don't know how to bid or what to buy and some people don't know how to sell.
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>>11743182
>because a bag will trap the gases and bags can touch the figure at multiple points, which causes the plasticizers to accumulate back onto the figure to cause (more) damage.
what if the bag has some holes like my retarded ass did
will i still get bogged by this? i store in baggies
pic related
please dont bully
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>>11743498
>Sauron_wins.jpg
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>>11743498
the bag almost always touching the figure means any plasticizers that don't leave will rub up or deposit back onto the figure. Platicizers are evil, yet they're necessary for the figure.

Like i said, it takes decades for the toy to decay to a point where a bag is counterintuitive. Bags are actually one of the best way s to keep your toy stored when it's still new. So i wouldn't worry about it for the first 20 years of your toy's life.

After that? You ahve to keep track of it. This is why it's recommended to air your toys out every half year or so, because you never know when the toy will start to get fucked. There's lines like Revoltech/Amazing Yamaguchi where the plasticizers only take a year after release to start weeping. Lines like Acid Rain started to crumble after 5 years.
Once shit like starts to happen, you put it in a box. If it's weeping plasticizers, the figure goes into solitary confinement, away from everyone else. You can leave it out on display, since air circulation will dissipate the platicizers to harmless levels.

tl;dr: you don't have to give a shit until 2 decades down the line. it's rare for plastics decompose faster than that, but stay in touch with the community to see if others start reporting issues early.

>>11743387
Honestly, it's not expensive to buy those packets. It can be time consuming though, depending on how large your collection is.
So you buy $20 worth of oxygen absorbers and however much time you need to insert them into the bag/box once a decade, plus the time it takes to air out your toys every 3/6 months/year/2 years.

Personally, I'm anal with my books and video games, but not for resale value, but because i want them to last my life time. So i have a dehumidifier, moisture packets, even oxygen scrubbers, because i want them to be readable and unchanged for as long as possible.
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>>11743697
honestly i dont play on collecting action figures, i only collect lotr stuff and no i wont get toybiz line
besides that my main focus is on polystone statues, now these are fucking nice
(also i plan to display every figure of the line but currently i dont have room so they are in baggies)
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>>11743697
And I thought I was worried about my stuff to a crazy degree.
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>>11744988
Just explaining why you're allowed to worry about your stuff to a crazy degree, because everything degrades and will decay even faster thanks to conditions that are in your control.

I think most of us have been collecting toys for at least 20 years, so we know how slow they actually decay, but have come across toys that have taken less times for issues to pop up. So there are steps you can take so that those issues won't happen for decades later.

Again, i personally just dump shit into boxes with some organizing, because i know most toys will last for a long time without problem. i do check on them though.

pic took 30 years to happen. broken despite still being sealed in package. you can see the yellowing on the border of the package, since that's where it's exposed to air the most.
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You could unironically store them in comic book bags. You could use acid free boards to separate stuff. You could even buy a comic book short box or long box to store the parts standing. An acid free tissue paper would work in just wrapping some stuff and placing it in the bags.
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>>11746471
Forgot to mention, current/modern bags are the smallest, silver thick could be bigger. Magazine size are larger. Treasury size are huge. Just look up the dimensions on a site like "BCW Suppplies". At one point I was using trading card sleeves to sell Lego figures.
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>>11746471
Not the worst idea. Store them in a comic book box too I guess. Depending on how you do it.
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>>11745260
Is it the O-ring that broke?
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>>11760756
yes.
The orings all rot and will all eventually snap even if kept in oxygen-free containers in mint unopened packaging

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