>>11752813
the color pink
the toy's general design/appearance
the toy's advertised purpose

>>11752813
The best info we have on it shows that most of the variance in preferences for toys and activities is genetic. boy and girls in isolation will split into groups and behave in very different ways. for boys, the affinity for construction and simulated combat are deeply engrained and this continues on through life. It's not some global conspiracy that boys all over the world love Halo and COD while girls play candy puzzle adventure and makeup. I'm glad we have the data that disproves blank-slate equalism but it's only needed people people too smart for their own good came up with dumb ideas.

>>11752813
Quite socialised, I think. If you just let them play with eachother’s stuff they’re happy, and the girl/boy colours are such a recent change that biologically speaking kids probably aren’t preprogrammed to love a colour and it’s more of an artificial creation meant to condition them to associate “boy and girl colours” with getting their parents to buy them certain toys.

In real life I’ve found model train sets, legos, sand and water pistols are the most universally beloved. Otherwise it all depends on group dynamics, usually the alpha child with richer parents who buy them more in a friend group sets the toy trends, or they’ll just play with whatever.

>>11752813
>driven by biological factors versus socialization
what is this tranny shit, girls do not care about war toys or superhero shit they prefer baking and child care

>>11753031
I disagree, to a certain extent. I think you're right about colors, but the ways that boys and girls play, as evidenced by a lego study, is very different. Girls like to do more roleplay, while boys are more technical/action oriented. So I do think they will naturally gravitate towards whatever suits their tastes, and toy companies will cater to those tastes.

>>11752813
Anyone who says socialization is 100% making a bad faith argument or coming from a place of ignorance.
There's actually quite a few data studies done on this by toy companies.
For instance Mattel did a data study to see if girls would like action figures the way men do since they were considering a Barbie action figure line at the time.
They found girls would consistently turn mascaline archatypes such as Batman for instance into women, basically if playing with Batman or any other similar figure they would have him doing tea time and dates. Women would try and make these figures become what they wanted.
Whereas men will naturally try and embody the characters and learn anything and everything they can about them.
There's a lot of interesting stuff to infer from a lot of these studies.

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>>11753105
just remembered I Am Elemental, which i remembered as a push to for "action figures for the female audience". I'm sad that didnt inspire into mainstream, but good on any ladies who share the hobby

>>11752813
>>11752817
I'd say the pink/blue aspect is the only thing that's mostly or fully socialised, it used to be the other way around.
Researchers tested baby monkeys with truck and plush toys, and the boy monkeys were more likely to play with the trucks while the girl monkeys were more likely to play with the plush toys (but were more variable). I think this is the final nail in the coffin of the socialisation theory. Psychologists also did similar studies for human babies who haven't had time to be socialised yet, with similar results.
https://www.simplypsychology.org/hassett-et-al-monkey-toy-preferences.html

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It's mostly biological, hence other animals selectively using stereotypical objects targeted by sex, despite those objects being made for humans.
So male monkeys play with trucks most, despite not understanding what they are, while female monkeys wanting to play with dolls most. OBviously, there's going to be some lingering curiosity with the object, because it's unfamiliar, but there's a marked difference still.

>>11753105
i thought it was LEGO who did this or was part of the study?

>>11753036
Your trad mom wants you to finish cleaning up your basement, then wash your hands and come up for dinner.

>>11752813
Studies and data tells us it's mostly biological and when external stimuli and preasure are renoved biys and and girls still gravitate to their expected choices respectively.

However just because this is what the numbwrs say doesn't mean it should be socially enforced either. Girls can stillvlike cars and GI Joes and boys can still want a Barbie. Just let kids like what they like, it's the one time in their life they should be allowed to do so.

>>11753048
The funny thing is Lego is balls and uterus deep into progressiveness and equality and even they know there are differences between how girls and boys play hence Friends and Ninjago

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>>11752813
You should see toys from ages past where boys had action figures, robots, cars, and space stuff while girls had a kitchen playset.

>>11753036
I was always into my brother's TMNT toys but I was told by multiple people that they were for boys. Biology may play a part at the start but I think it has way more to do with socialization.

>>11753172
You say like like biology and testosterone are the only effects. If everyone is going to say Barbies are for girls is that going to make you want to play with them?

>>11753515
you can socially engineer anything you want with enough negative or positive stimuli.

It's why exorcisms rose 100000% after the Exorcist movie came out and why there's a middle school where all of the kids are identify as trans or nonbinary.

>>11754131
And how prevalent are nonbinary schools? A handful of studies don't outweigh the massive, constant social conditioning kids get every day from parents, media, peers, marketing. With very young children it’s also questionable how “unsocialized” they really are. Kids are exposed to gendered cues almost immediately. Colors, toys given by parents, tone of interaction, even subtle differences in encouragement.

>>11752813
Females focus on toys with faces, males focus on toys which are, or feature, movable objects.

>>11754263
>And how prevalent are nonbinary schools?
extremely rare until the past 10 years or so, which is sorta the point you're trying to make, huh? That humans try to socially condition other humans.

A lot of studies take into account socialization, hence the study using another species of animal where they don't even understand the objects that they're given. Completely outside of the animal's understanding and norms, given no context as to their meaning, or use, and the objects are still favored in the stereotypical way by sex.
It proves there's an inherent biological link to the objects each sex prefers.

Lots of studies try to be as neutral as possible, and take into account even the most miniscule variables an adult/parent might impart on the child. Whether it's putting the object on the child's favored side (right or left handed) or the amount of eye contact the researcher has on an object. Shit's tedious and usually has no measurable differences (yes, they study these miniscule variables), but it's all in the name of science.

And there's always going to be tons of biases too, but it's about lessening the amount of biases that show up in the studies, and when they are as neutral as possible, the conclusions still point toward something we consider "no duh"

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>>11754644
Also, here's a study about a fucking stick.
Female monkeys basically treat them as dolls/babies.

So even without any features whatsoever that resembles a living thng, they're basically using their imagination to pretend it's a baby.
note that once they get old enough that they stop playing with them, mostly because they got their own baby.

And male monkeys use them too, but they stop years earlier, like how most children stop using their imagination and becomee more interested in other things.

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>>11753105
>They found girls would consistently turn mascaline archatypes such as Batman for instance into women, basically if playing with Batman or any other similar figure they would have him doing tea time and dates. Women would try and make these figures become what they wanted.
Really puts this scene into prospective

Its crazy how for years society got along on fine until modernity had to rationalize the state of existence because of how bored and comfortable the west got
>>11754658
Oh it definitely Chunks that if you know what I meme.

>Studies done on children that have already been conditioned by society into stereotypical male/female roles and behavioral patterns show that behavioral patterns are inherent.
Makes sense.
And the

>>11754658
For the record Sid did absolutely nothing wrong, he didn't know the toys were actually alive and he was hurting them. He was just a kid engaged and creative play

>>11754695
toy story is a stupid movie and you retards worship it like jesus

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>>11753513
>parents took me to TRU for my 7th birthday
>anything you want anon, even this big barbie house!
>wanted this SO badly
>no, you can’t have boy toys
Considered crying, got sylvanians instead and made a castle out of some boxes/toilet rolls for them and the rest of my toys to fight over in the end. I still kinda want one.

>>11753486
how does one play with that? like kid just make the real dishes.

>>11756122
I had it, it was really great. Even the canon never broke.

>>11754678
Studies done on monkeys show this as well.

>>11756130
Same way a boy plays with a make believe tool bench.

>>11756162
i just used the real thing
and yes i type one handed

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Interesting, I’ll have to read this one fully later.
>>11752813
I wonder how much of a difference packaging vs the actual toy itself influences behaviour.

>>11757015
I wonder how much involvement Epstein had in those studies

>>11752813
How they play is different but things like color and design are a little cultural depended.

Like a little boy will probably like to build. And use their toys for war or adventures or exploring.

A little girl would be more likely to build as a means to an end, like building a house or a farm for toys animals. She is more likely to role play more mundane tasks wirh her toys. She is more likely to role play social interactions. More likely to created complicated social dynamics or systems of care.

Like a little boy might take an action figure and a toy dog and do a pretend adventure wirh them. A little girl is more likely to have the toys interact with other characters in a normal setting. The dog is likely to have puppies and there be a whole selling or giving away of the puppies to other toys.

If either is autistic this all kind of goes out the window and you see more collecting, ordering, etc. Play can also be much more elaborate for either gender, with the boys morw likely to introduce more complex relationships and the girls more likely to include adventure or war play.

I haven't researched it but just going off anecdotal evidence of my friend group where a lot of them are into legos, I've noticed the males gravitate toward things like cars or robots (bionicles especially though that's probably just nostalgia) while the females prefer the botanicals or animals. for whatever it's worth, they really hate the friends line and it's not even that they feel pandered to so much as just the color schemes are off-putting and the minidolls are retarded.

>>11753105
>They found girls would consistently turn mascaline archatypes such as Batman for instance into women, basically if playing with Batman or any other similar figure they would have him doing tea time and dates. Women would try and make these figures become what they wanted.
>Whereas men will naturally try and embody the characters and learn anything and everything they can about them.
>There's a lot of interesting stuff to infer from a lot of these studies.

Women are inherently more narcissistic than men, if what you're saying is true

>>11754667
>modernity had to rationalize the state of existence because of how bored and comfortable the west got

Its that education went up and conservatives tend to be assholes.

Zoomers and gen a didnt live through it, but conservatives have been the biggest fuccking assholes for the longest time. In the 50s and 60s, your parents might have beat you almost to death for getting a blow job before marriage or marrying a japanese woman.

A lot of the liberalism of the 60s to 2000s was a reaction to that sort of stuff

>>11756122
Save up and get it. Fuck it. Do it.

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>>11757268
>I haven't researched it but just going off anecdotal evidence of my friend group where a lot of them are into legos, I've noticed the males gravitate toward things like cars or robots (bionicles especially though that's probably just nostalgia) while the females prefer the botanicals or animals. for whatever it's worth, they really hate the friends line and it's not even that they feel pandered to so much as just the color schemes are off-putting and the minidolls are retarded.

I remember when Lego first did some girl sets. Amusingly they were all like vacation or rich people hobbies. Like beach condo and horse stable. They eventually flopped and a lot of young boys picked them up. They were pretty sweet for vacation towns to drive cars in and stuff.

Lol, cracks me up. "What women want? To be spoiled little shits and do nothing but vacation and play at the beach"

>>11757281
>Women are inherently more narcissistic than men, if what you're saying is true
nta F I'm pretty sure we are. Just because we're told that our looks matter so much.

>>11757281
It's not that they're narcasstic, it's that they kinda suck putting themselves into other peoples shoe. So while females are more empathic, it's in a more projectional way.
Guys are better at understanding what makes another person tick.

>>11753031
What a load of shit

>>11752850
This guy fucks

>>11757298

You're not *told* your looks matter, they matter. If everyone in the world was mute and all language broke down, 15-25 year old hotties would still do better than fat hamplanets. Facts don't care about your feelings sweetie.

>>11752813
Almost entirely biological according to all actual research data we have. Boys and girls naturally like different things from an extremely young age.

One point that's worth bringing up is that even when kids use the "wrong" toys they play with them in a distinctly boyish/girlish way. If you give young boys a bunch of Barbies they will make the Barbies fight and kill each other. If you give girls soldier figurines they will make them have a tea party.

>>11753105
The kids in thoes studies have already been conditioned to play a certain way and prefer a certain type of toy though.

>>11758561
Unless you assume everyone is born conditioned that is simply not true.

>>11758564
So they gave action figures to newborns and those newborns started having tea parties with Batman?

The fact that the girls already were playing by having tea parties proves my point and discredits the idea that they genetically will have tea parties with Batman.

>>11758566
you're assuming everyone was raised identically though.

How much of a shut in are you never played with other kids to understand how it really be? You're on a board where people get angry over someone else because they play with an American branded Batman instead of a Chinese one.
The fact that kids can even settle on playing together with trucks, jets, and babies is almost a miracle. Humans are predisposed to that play by sex, even if a kid will look down on you for owning a Matchbox truck and not the higher end Hot Wheels. I mean, they'll still let you play with them, but your choice is SHIT! God forbid you brought a bootleg toy, where you'll be ashamed to even show up to school the next day.
I mean, even boys raised in a mostly girl family will still want to play with trucks or actiony toys and get involved with sports, instead of dolls and tea time.

Nevermind studies with other species proves there's an inherent way of play that differs by sex, even when give toys only humans would understand.

>>11759135
They basically are though.

Girls get taught that they should play a certain waay > Girl grows up and has a daughter > Teaches that girl to play that way > Repeat

And then some idiot like you comes along and goes "This proves that genetically women will play tea party with batman!"

The studies are seriously flawed because kids don't exist in a vacuum and are bombarded with gender roles from birth.

>>11759250
sure, ignore other species behave in an inherit fashion similiar to humans do based on sex
ignore that humans aren't all raised the same
Ignore that there's thousands of studies that try and be as neutral as possible to study these things that keep pointing to the same shit

basically, you're a flat earther.

>>11759250
Found the jew

>>11759255
Show me one other species that has tea parties with Batman.

are children naturally right handed or taught to be right handed?

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>>11759439
why are you hung up on that detail?

Tea party is a catchall term for what little girls do when they play, because it's so outlandish to guys. The term encompasses other shit girls like to do: shopping, fashion show, going to the prom, etc, which is what that LEGO study actually demonstrated

You can read more about all the differences here: https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/05/legos/484115/

Do note how all the boomers and feminists are upset that girls don't actually behave like boys or prefer gender neutral shit, which also implies that the parents tried to raise their girls to be less girl-like. So despite 50 years of social engineering (telling girls to get a job, play sports, join the army to kill people, and other shit guys do), girls are still naturally inclined to do stereotypical girlie shit.
On the extreme side have you even looked at girls who say that they're trans? Despite wanting to be male, they still want to play fashion, do their make up, and other social shit that girls are known for. There's extremely few girls who are trans who actually behave like boys/men.

I hope you read that article, because i especially like how LEGO getting girls more interested into building blocks upset all the feminists because it was too girlie.

Contrast that with guys, who embrace the stereotypes and want more. Obviously, lots of girls embrace the stereotypes for females, but it's looked down upon, because again, there's been a social movement for FIFTY YEARS. Entire generations have been raised and bombarded with social messaging, yet girls still want to do stereotypical girlie shit.

>>11759702
Good question. I'm ambidextrous when I'm fapping.

>>11759864
>shit girls like to do
You mean "Shit girls have been conditioned to do since birth" LOL.

Your entire proof for your argument is that people conditioned to play and act a certain way will act that way.

>>11759864
>get a job, play sports, join the army
That's boy stuff?

Calling it now, you guys are so hung up on biology playing a big part so you can justify transexuality.

>>11759702
My mother said she favored her left hand and was hit in school to use her right hand instead, so it is environmental.

>>11758564
Bro, babies are conditoned as soon as they're brought home. They're even conditioned in the hospital when they're seperated with pink and blue.

>>11759864
>There's extremely few girls who are trans who actually behave like boys/men.
You obviously don't know any trans people...

>>11759864
>On the extreme side have you even looked at girls who say that they're trans? Despite wanting to be male, they still want to play fashion, do their make up, and other social shit that girls are known for.
This is false for a large number of homosexual women as well.

>>11752813
Differences in boy's and girl's toy preferences begin with biological tendencies but are significantly amplified and shaped by socialization.

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>>11760084
tranditionally? Yes.
Welcome to what 50 years of social conditioning does where you think that's no longer boy stuff.. among other shit.
Funny how social conditioning can only take you so far, huh? The shit that's engrained (wanting to do social play vs physical play) by our nature takes more extreme measures to modify and that sort of strict parenting can be pretty damaging when you do.

>>11760076
i see you never bother to read and only want to rely on your eyes noticing that the earth doesn't curve.

>>11760090
i used to know the extreme rare few that actually behave like boys/men, and because of where they gathered, i also got to know the much more abundant "fakers"

BTW, i really like how you people are being so offended by the girl parts, but take no umbrage about boys being boys.

>>11760545
>You are being socially conditioned to not think of things as boy things
>Boy things are genetic
holy shit you are dumb.

>>11759250
>Girl grows up and has a daughter > Teaches that girl to play that way

A lot of kids get zero guidance from parents on how to play with toys

>>11760837
Lol sure.

>>11759250
>Girl grows up and has a daughter > Teaches that girl to play that way

A lot of kids get zero guidance from parents on how to play with toys

>>11760861
These flatearthers have no argument.

They're just angry things don't line up with their ideology and just want to ridicule all the facts that have been brought up in this thread.

>>11760994
>facts
lol.

I think it is a mix of both nature and nurture
My sisters hated anything that they couldnt use for roleplaying marriage and family while my brothers mostly didnt want to play with dolls or lego, they wanted more sporty stuff or military trucks
Sometimes everyone would play with the dolls though
I think watching your cousins and siblings can be very impressionable too

People are legitimately too retarded to know how averages work. So if 99%of boys play with toys a certain way and 1% like Barbies it means that it's not a boys toy. But in the flip side that might mean the boy is trans because boys cant play with dolls he must be a women.

>>11761669
The only reason boys don't like Barbies is because they have been told by society that it is girly and they must be gay if they play with them.
That's literally all it is.

>>11761707
Proofs?

>>11761749
Open your eyes.