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>>11759519
The wiki theorizes that it’s supposed to be Wingstun

>>11759533
I plan on getting the random repaint of the mold exactly 1.5 years from now when the prices actually match it's demand.

Nothing on SS86 Cyclonus yet, right? I don’t care if it’s literally the same toy as the. Kingdom release though it’s probably going to be just straight up the same mold, but probably slightly more accurate to the movie coloring.

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>>11759465
He looks like he has those MP Soundwave hips, only without the crotch plate to hide it.

>>11759541
I wish they had just done this with astrotrain and gave budget to shockwave or wheeljack, who are still using the old molds that were mediocre then, while the astrotrain mold from the same line was easily one of the most impressive and lasting. I think all it needed was some gaps filled and a wrist rotation, and to abolish the trailer.

>>11759544
Astrotrain was the worst though and is only getting any praise now because the new one is uglier in bot mode.

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>>11759494
Big Convoy is exactly as mediocre as I thought he would be. The only thing improved here is that his joints are smoother, but that comes with the territory of the og being twenty years old.

The whole thing is too squat and bulky generally, with the result being that his kibble somehow ends up being even more restrictive than the original at blocking decent poses.

Of course I'm getting Jetfire.

I considered Scourge, then I found out its just a package refresh of the one I already have.

Soundwave....maybe on sale. If they make some of his tapes.

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>>11759546
He was one of the most solid figures in the line, with compromises only in the train mode. It has great articulation too outside of the wrists really.

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>Everyone else has less Energon because of me
>Can barely keep up with the other bots in vehicle mode, I'm such a slow piece of shit
>Can"t maintain my force force field long enough for it to be of any real use

>>11759547
youre like the tfone hype guy right now

>>11759551
do we even know if this version takes tapes?
also bs altmode ngl I feel like I could do better with the blokees version

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I am getting two of these guys!!

>>11759557

No, we don't. Its hard to tell if his chest even opens, and if it does theres like, no room in there at all.

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General sculpt work is fine, the fur texture is grossly rough. The proportions really are not good at all. Going roughly off the character sheets is good and all, but he does not EVER look this fat I the show.

The headsculpt somehow is also worse than the original, with it being oddly long and skinny...

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>>11759554
>gave us one of the hardest comic panels in tf history

>>11759554
>Is the Autobot defense strategist
>Has quite literally never done his job in the history of the franchise

>>11759559
>Its hard to tell if his chest even opens
it really isn't, it's attacked to a very visible hinge and there's a seam line
get better eyes

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>>11759556
Can't help it, the original really is actually significantly better.

>>11759562
not even close, dude
just off the top of my head, "Lengthways" easily beats it

>>11759564

Okay, but it still looks like theres no room in there.

>>11759554
I am so lonely. All the other Autobots think I'm a gas guzler. No one talks to me. No one wants to be my friend-- They think I am a coward. They send me from planet to planet, shielding people in their name. And as I get better at it, their disdain for me grows more and more. I am a victim of my own success. Trailbreaker. I don't even get a real name, only a purpose. I am capable of so much more and no one sees it. Some days I feel so alone I could cry, but I don't. I never do. Because what would be the point? Not a single person in the entire universe would care. Take it to the Allspark.

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>>11759566
good contender, however

>>11759552
Shuttle mode was compromised too. Look I know this general loves New Bad Old Good but Astrotrain was a shit tier back then and people even then preferred to just hold onto their Titans Return figures.

>>11759572
Siege astrotrain was multitudes better than the titans return one. You can't even call the third mode a train it was closer to a stick with guns on it. Not to mention it had less articulation and more robot form compromises, the only saving grace is that the shuttle mode is more cohesive.

>>11759577
>the only saving grace is that the shuttle mode is more cohesive.
It wasn't even a shuttle, just a generic spaceship.

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>>11759533
Is he a Titan?
why he looks so...weird
like if he's either a tiny chibi character
or a GIANT character that looks like a big rock...

he reminds me of oompa-loompa character types like picrelated
ugh what the fuck (yeah i know it's written "armada"...whatever)

>>11759580
He's a Commander.

>>11759580
he combines with armada prime to form his legs so it would be commander probably

>>11759547
I still wish they gave him some sort of American name with Prime in it.

>>11759582
>he combines with armada prime
that specific toy too? or the old one?
i guess it will be cool to see the final form

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>>11759577
>>11759579
The TR mold worked better as Sentinel Prime.

With the leaks I find it funny that Breakekaway (Aerialbot repaint?), Skyfall (aerialbot repaint?), Guzzle (Brawl repaint) and Alpha Bravo (Vortex repaint) are all coming out at the same time.
All limbs that Nexus Prime needs. Yet we don’t know anything about a repainted frame.

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>>11759584
something like this. They'll also probably release overload (the back cannons) with the skybloom shield. It will probably be the legacy armada optimus prime seeing as they are keeping that mold around for stuff like nemisis prime.

>>11759584
New one probably. Although the new one is compatible with the old Overload, so who knows.

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Did a quick edit over Jet Optimus to show what Nemesis and Spacewarp would look like together for that one anon

>>11759589
I dig it. Kinda reminds me of G2 Ramjet.

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>>11759582
>combines with armada prime
Oh shit armada prime is this guy
i wanted him for so long because he looks so much fun
and if he will be combining to become even bigger/cooler/more fun....holy crap i have to buy him now!!!

>>11759595

You should, he's a great toy.

>>11759595
Don’t get too excited, he essentially replaces Optimus's trailer as his legs like here >>11759589, though there is a third member called Overload who attaches to Optimus's back like here >>11759587

>>11759533
I am kinda glad he looks somewhat bad in robot mode because now I don't have to get two because I can't decide if I want to keep him as pants or robot

>>11759533
Looks like to me that the thruster sleeves over Prime's blaster and that the shield splits in two pieces to fill out Prime's back in combined mode.
>>11759600
Personally, I think he looks great. He always looked like a lardass in the cartoon, most of the promotional art, and most importantly the original toy. This is just how he looks in my mind's eye.

>>11759533
Thick as a brick. That's my Jetfire alright
Now announce the Optimus rerelease already so I can weep at dropping $200+ on this shit.

>>11759598
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOLm2yyhcus

>>11759533
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZqo4OZ0Pqs

>>11759533
So what are the chances of the sword getting a release that isn't tied to convention exclusive?

>>11759533
I’m oddly charmed by this fat fuck. I don’t think he is as nice an update as Armada Prime but I anticipate his primary use as being pants.

>>11759533
>side of box hint at Jetfire Prime
Hell yeah

>>11759533
He looks great, but where are Demolishor and Cyclonus you fucks

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The glory days of Studio Series are over, the line is just shit now.

>>11759623
I'm surprised they did it at all, I figured they just grandfathered Evasion Prime as a Studio Series toy in the first place.

>>11759533
Man oh man, it's wild what 20 years can do to your opinion of a figure. >>11759565
I wish the most recent Hasbro release wasn't so idk man, lack luster. I loved the original nemesis big convoy.

>>11759623
Looks fine to me? Actually really good if it's a deluxe. You're acting like this is Deluxe Devastation OP even though this clearly mops the floor with that one.

>>11759626
>Actually really good if it's a deluxe
That's a $43 Voyager of course.

>>11759623
Why is he so washed out?

>>11759626
>Actually really good if it's a deluxe.
It's a voyager.

>>11759633
'Cause he's all rusty and that's how he looked in the movie.

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>>11759353
They kept him huge and chunky but wiped off almost every single aspect of detail he had before
But no Mini-Con?
And the space Team looks WORSE than the originals with way less paint and details and new hollow spots

>>11759354
This will shelfwarm forever

>>11759355
WORSE than the original
Christ

>>11759356
Lol

>>11759357
Another easy pass

>>11759359
MAYBE but only cause i'm diging the head and even then I like Skywarp more

>>11759626
>Arm Tumors
>The unpainted raw grey
>Chunk hanging off the heel
>Worse gun
>Flap hanging off the back, even tho it can fold up a bit more
>Barely anyankle room despite AoE Voyager like 8+ years ago could do it
Movie The Best remains the actual Best

>>11759533
more like Armada food
because he ate it all

>>11759636
It has as much detail as it did before.

>>11759450
me too, it's just the tiny nitpicks holding me back from liking this version. I'll probably get him on sale someday.
>>11759565
I so wish I could get the alt colors of the original mold. I'll get stupid rich someday. Probably just in time for all the rubber to crumble. But by then we'll be able to 3d print new jointed trunks.

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>>11759533
They did his transformation wrong or they fucked up the design completely, his chest isn’t supposed to look like that.

>>11759650
i have no horse in this race and I can't help but just be sad for the people who care about him. any wanker can see this is a total cockup

>>11759650
I have to imagine some concessions were made to have him turn into an actually functional pair of legs

>>11759652
You can see the super mode Optimus hips in the shuttle mode images. Dude has to have two sets of legs now.

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better than this third poopy bootleg

>>11759658
Why he giving me the bedroom eyes

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>>11759645
I'm sorry these are just actually two entirely different levels of detail >>11759353

>>11759650
Easily the worst part is the nose chode hanging down

>>11759658
Man he's so good

>>11759662
That has less detail than the new one

>>11759658
i'm sorry but it will never be okay to use a rocket booster as a gun, unless it transforms. it's just too obviously a rocket booster. it doesn't look like a blunderbuss or a flare gun or anything.

>>11759658
eww

>>11759671
Oh ok you're trolling

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>nu-jefire based off of a miss-tranformed image (and art based off of said mis-transformation) instead of the actual proper configuration and anime model
LMAOOOOOOOO
WIKI DESIGNERS STRIKE AGAIN

>>11759662
Are you blind? The new one has a shitload of extra panel lines and sculpted detail. They always add extra shit these days.

>>11759682
You can compare the picks you posted. the vintage one has less detail, they added a bunch of greebling all over, even the nosecone and cockpit area.

>>11759613
Zero. Jetfire is likely also a convention exclusive.

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>>11759677
>Cyclonus when he tries to gunfight Jetfire

>>11759677
It looks like an extended beam cannon, it's fine, you are just unimaginative.

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>>11759677
Could be worse. RotF Stratosphere was planned to come with a space shuttle gun, before it was budgeted out.

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anons with this toy, please post it with other bots or in poses. Need to do some thinking on it

>>11759689

>Jetfire is likely also a convention exclusive.

Ummm....

>>11759689
Are you fucking retarded?

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I haven't seen anyone complaining. What the fuck did they do to Sky Blast's rocket arm? It doesn't even look like a rocket anymore.

>>11759685
how do they still have jobs

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>>11759652
Yeah, the original was mostly, like, the façade of legs

>>11759686
>>11759687
>Anons once again either retarded or trolling
Come on man

The new one is missing
>Gradient among the lower front end (Atmospheric Reentry detail)
>Entire front is molded white with only the tip painted black
>No red or black lining and details on the mid section (Bay area)
>Wings missing black detail
>Wing tips missing Red panel detail
>Back Fins missing Black Details
I get "New good" mentality since most are retarded and mindlessly eat the new remakes but they basically turned the entire back into a box with overdesigned shit. They ruined the profile and shape of the original rocket
Now the whole back is a box with Thruster Nozzles slapped on
The side is a bit cleaner but still has a gappy bit where the thighs are exposed

>>11759696
if everything looks good then nothing looks good.
what makes us like things is that, unlike things that are different, they have the right look. That's the basis of robots. This shape was chosen, not this shape, and we are pleased. The engineering part of the brain is like 'aw yeah, that nacelle' even if we don't know why.

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>>11759658
It's not, but the fans hobby is definitely oddly round.

>>11759699
i'd be okay if it was t'other way 'round... if the front of the shuttle had a flip out barrel or something. nice retro pew pew zap ray gun

>>11759715
>Literally the combination I was planning to do
An anon of taste. How does slipstream feel quality wise, is she wobbly, solid or somewhere in-between?

>>11759685
Isn't that how he looked in the show and the Dreamwave comics?

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>>11759718

Pretty solid I’d say.

>>11759712
If Jet Prime gave you a knee kick, would it also count as a punch?

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At least it's cartoon accurate

>>11759714
The sky is blue. I like cheeseburgers. Red pandas. Did you know mobile giraffe? Agadabadoodoo! I would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for Barack Obama. The FitnessGram Pacer Test is a multistage aerobic capacity test that progressively gets more difficult as it continues. The 20 meter pacer test will begin in 30 seconds. Line up at the start. The running speed starts slowly but gets faster each minute after you hear this signal bodeboop. A sing lap should be completed every time you hear this sound. ding Remember to run in a straight line and run as long as possible. The second time you fail to complete a lap before the sound, your test is over. The test will begin on the word start. On your mark. Get ready!… Start.

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>>11759724
I needed that 2004 throwback, thank you.

>>11759721
He's have to be able to bend his knee first

>>11759721
Closed fist slap.

>>11759720
Clean your fucking desk, Boco

>>11759713
Lack of paint is a severe downgrade, but I can paint on details. I can't design new knees.

Can someone tell me what exactly got fixed on the selects Trypticon? The hips are just as solid as the original TR release.

>>11759737
>original TR release.
Are you referring to the first release with the hip flaw?

>>11759713
>Gradient among the lower front end (Atmospheric Reentry detail)
Improvement. Getting rid of Siege style battle damage is only ever something good.

>>11759729

TV stand. I know, I know, I'm giving the whole room a do over this year.

>>11759742
Yes, you couldn't move them because the springs were too strong. This new release feels exactly the same.

>>11759747
>This new release feels exactly the same.
Well, if it happens to you get a refund or have Hasbro send you a replacement.

>>11759749
different anon. When I got Typpy, I just modified the hips myself. Just a matter of cutting the springs in the ratchets

>>11759623
I like that he now has proper arms, but I hate the unpainted grey plastic, hollow thighs, and that a chunk of the truck cab is now a backpack.

I wonder if Guzzle and Alpha Bravo coming out means there's a Wreckage coming out.

>>11759713
I feel like paint has been getting worse and worse on Hasbro figs as time has gone on, and while I readily acknowledge that this guy is not perfect, he will be a decent pair of pants for my favorite Prime mold ever.

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>>11759719
I just checked the anime and naw, he's correct in the show. So, shame.
All things considered, I don't think the new figure's chest looks terrible; though I do hope there's a possibility to adjust the chest's position, or that there'd be an upgrade kit or summin.

>>11759533
Wtf is this shit? Is it meant to be one of those deformed figures with odd proportions because if not then this looks so shit

>>11759749
I'm fucked on refunds since this was a gift from a family member in the United States and brought it disassembled with his luggage.

>>11759785
Weird this is on the new fig the top black piece DOES fold down, so it's like... halfway there. Bizarre

>>11759791
*thing

>>11759693
Looking at it again, it's almost as if the saw both
>>11759685
>>11759650
and couldn't decide which to go with? So, they did an inbetween? Utterly bizarre.

>>11759791
that's weirdly how it works now. they fix one thing, and ruin something else in the process.
Quickstrike's scorpion head moves more out of the way than it used to in robot mode, but now it sits too high in beast mode, showing the big obvious robot pelvis, whose thighs are not even attached low enough. And yeah he used to have fucking clownshoes, but now his scorpion mode has what is just obviously robot shins for forearms, and way too small pincers.
and worst of all, these things are way too minor for anyone to bother making a kit for them. I really, really wish we got more 3p CHUG scale shit.

>>11759798
>inbetween
my guess would be 'figured out their mistake partway along, too late to change part of it'

>>11759685
I remember when Black Roritchi came out with that head that could have only happened because they looked at the wiki, I suggested the people with the toys or with reference images should update the wikis to be accurate. This was met with a lot of "THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE CHANGED, HASBRO SHOULD KNOW BETTER", and that was the end of it.

Well, I do agree, they should know better, but this could also be something that doesn't happen if better pictures were just uploaded too. Oh well! I guess nobody will ever be happy!

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I miss core class, hope it comes back some day but figure they'll be near $20 if they do.

>>11759802
I mean
you're not wrong at all, but I also think that reference images you look up online should be reliably correct. it's nuts that you'd need to look them up in some official Hasbro archive or something.
When I google a particular animal so I'm representing it right in a drawing, I never worry it's the wrong one. and it's very rare that I get something totally fictional, like a plant that was really made from mushroom caps stuck together with toothpicks

the massive, MASSIVE amount of mistransformed, misleading, and obscured images of transformers is a failure with many fingerprints on it. And realistically, Hasbro's own archive almost certainly has mistransformed shots, since that's how EVERY OTHER FIGURE is shown to us in previews

>>11759809
>but I also think that reference images you look up online should be reliably correct.
That's what Hasbro thinks too

>>11759808
Maybe we can confuse the shrinkflators by moving every size down a tad, so the new 'deluxes' are bigger than the old cores, since old cores were too small.. but now that's the new starter size. then yknow, leaders become what we expect from voyagers, and they start doing commanders regularly.
and also they lower their prices hahaha yeah. Come on guys get it together.

>>11759809
Hasbro throws out their archives because whenever a new CEO comes in he doesn't want anything to do with the old stuff before him. Only the designers of the toys would keep references around and only if they had the space, because Hasbro does not just have a big wall with every toy they've ever made on it because whimsy is dead and everything has to look like a coffee house now

>>11759817
indeed.. sigh. none of our dreams will ever come true.

it wouldn't hurt so badly if we hadn't constantly been promised otherwise.

they should just stop using tfwiki in general. the site is shit and full of raging faggots.

>>11759822
and it loads like a fat girl trying to squeeze into a high chair., not even for fetish reasons, but just to acquire additional food

but it's the only site we have, so

>>11759822
...Except TFWiki's images are correctly transformed. https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Jetfire_(Armada)#Armada
It's google images or whatever that's to blame.

>>11759823
I did notice that. It runs like absolute dogshit nowadays I have no idea wtf happened.

>>11759831
i'm sure it cheaped out and moved to a cheaper server. the amount of money it brings in is surely fixed at best, more likely in decline. and hosting costs are astronomical these days, I guess because everyone's constantly running all their servers to make pretend money or robot parrots. which are pretty sweet in theory, and sometimes in practice, but... it used to be that having to blow out the entire local electrical grid was saved for huge, planet-altering supermachines.

>>11759570
why is he wording it like it's the writer telling us what's happening on a meta level?

>>11759787
That's just how the dude looks. Don't hate on him for being naturally stocky.
Personally, I'm a fan of Transformers that don't all use "heroic" or humanoid proportions - they're transforming robots, not humans, and don't need to adhere to any one shape.

>>11759835
Never in the show did he look short, fat, dumpy and disabled with Warwick Davis proportions. This is just hasbro being fucking lazy as per usual and putting zero effort in their design

>>11759650
How did they fuck up him and Big Convoy so bad? It's like they were designed from memory.

>>11759845
>having his chest a bit lower than it's supposed to suddenly makes him "short, fat, dumpy, and disabled"
I'm not excusing their mistake but jesus christ, cool it with the opera playing.

>>11759685
No fucking way... I think you might be right. It looks like they didn't even design his chest plate to slide up and split apart.

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>>11759694
The fuck is that? Jet engine?

>>11759623
I believe the left is just HDR improperly shown

>>11759709
It looks like they totally prioritized it being a 5mm peg.

>>11759633
Looks like HDR

>>11759834
in fairness, robots can be repaired, so death isn't permanent for them unless the spark is extinguished.

Most of you are going to keep Jetfire in his pants mode 99% of the time anyways, robot mode is whatever

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We need a proper Deluxe or Voyager version of a Maser Tank

>>11759852
he's being a little emotional but I can't disagree with him
>>11759835
I mean I'm the first to say let's have weirder proportions and stuff. earlier anon wanted to change beast Ironhide's head, I say no way, i love his long head
but I do want his robot mode redone from scratch, it looks garbo. he looks like a bad drawing, and the elephant head-halves look stupid just hanging off.
they need to redo him as like, a movie-Devastator-esque knucklewalker with the elephant head moving to his ass to become a trunk-tail (the ears cover the eyes so it's not weird IT'S NOT WEIRD) and he shouldn't just have a big tab behind his head for the tusks to hang from.

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>>11759922
that Bee might have the best basic body shape of any Bee. How the fuck did that happen?

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>>11759931
Any day now h..haha

>>11759946
Needs to be fatter.

>>11759922
>one of these things just doesn’t belong

>>11759946
that mold wouldn't really work for her though

>>11759946
>>11759946
TFA Glyph is weird, she steals Tap-Out's green and then TFA Tap-Out needs to be a DIFFERENT green

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what's your dream never-ever-happening recolor?

>>11759975
It's hard to pick a 'dream' one because I'm just a beast guy, so there's no impossibly obscure recolor characters I can think of. Everything is plausible, even if some are unlikely (and many would need a normal version before they could have a recolor)
and saying "I think t-rex megatron would look awesome in black" is not so much a dream as the kinda shit that goes through my head when I should be asleep.

>>11759980
Flying Island Blackarachnia and Predacon Rhinox STILL haven't had any toys in any form.

>>11759982
yeah but are those really that special to anyone? I mean I guess BA in silver with champagne shins is at least kinda different looking, but her beast mode is unaffected and.. rhinox is such a subtle change, he's a blip compared to how the lighting in that show tints models.
I suppose they'd be fun to have as alt universe 'what if they stayed that way' guys

>>11759982
>Predacon Rhinox
Weeeellll... TECHNICALLY he did get a toy - as BM Tankor.

https://tvnewscheck.com/programming/article/hasbro-entertainment-get-after-it-media-debut-hasbro-legends-broadcast-channel/
G1 gonna be back on the air again

>>11759989
No, he technically didn't. Stop being stupid.

>>11759922
I'm really excited for my favorite version of Ratchet, but man we do need some Animated Cons ASAP.

>>11759922
Man I hate all of these. TFA cannot come to Studio Series soon enough.

>>11759789
>>11759749
>>11759742
Welp, it took hours of work, but I finally weakened both springs, aligned the hip properly as well (it was jutting out on one side), added some silicone shock oil, and took apart full tilt so I could tighten the hips with some card stock and a clear coat.

Hasbro cannot release a single Titan without issues to save their lives. Even Black Zarak, which arrived without any damage or flaws, was still missing the entire head the first time I ordered it.>>11759809

>>11760006
>Hasbro cannot release a single Titan without issues to save their lives
I keep telling people but they don't listen.

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>>11759975
Transmetal Tigatron

>>11759975
Stranglehold from a Rhinox

>>11759852
Being this much of a fag is why hasbro tfs are shit these days. Your happy to accept garbage. So as a result hasbro will keep treating you like a fucking moron. This is why haslab got created to shake down retards

>>11760056
Wow, Sakamoto is being weirdly conservative with Thunderblast's design

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>>11759623
It was always very hit and miss when it came to competing with the original movie lines, much less the screen itself. The HFTD voyager Optimus was always better than the SS options, for example. At best you got something like SS Starscream, but it's the DotM deluxe just upscaled.

They could release the HTFD Voyager Optimus--even as a leader class--and it would immediately be the best shit in Studio Series.

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>>11759547
>>11759560
>>11759565
I never had the original and I've never seen Beast Wars Neo (though I do plan to watch that and BWII at some point), so I can't speak to how he is as an update to the old figure or how accurate he looks to the source material. I do completely agree with what you said about the kibble hampering his articulation though. That said, you got him in some good looking poses for those shots. Nice work.

>>11760066
I don't know if having chunks of her blown off after the comedy villain trio fails would be allowed.

>>11760056
G2 Nemesis looking like the White Base with those colors... That belongs to Shattered Glass, not G2.

>>11760065
This hobby is completely overrun with people who genuinely believe the Transformers from 1987 until 2013 was a black hole.

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>>11760074
I don't think it is supposed to be that exactly. The G2 guys are introduced later.

>>11760078
I dont think I’ve seen anyone that thinks that at all
Maybe they don’t like BW or UT, or even Bayformers, but I’ve not seen them hate everything TF post movie

>>11760079
Flatline carrying the G2 brand marker is hilarious. Should have been labeled as a Mercenary since you can't easily read his way of thinking.

>>11760078
Why 2013 specifically?

>>11759533
I guess everyone who has been mistransforming the original toy's chest all their lives will be happy with that, but it better be the best pair of pants ever because that robot mode isn't doing it for me.

>>11760069
Are people really defending this?
The cope is off the charts....

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>>11760080
>>11760082
That's not what I meant. I mean there are people that genuinely know nothing about that period except maybe Bayformers. Around 2015-2019 we had a flood of tourists who didn't care about anything else besides the source material which also means they get all their info from TFWiki and opinions from tfw2005.

>>11760082
Because that's when it was "cool" to be into nerd shit.

>>11759533
I’m convinced that Hasbro is using Seibertron images for reference since it’s the largest online resource of toy images. Not only did they have the Ruckus with the wrongly applied stickers, but their page on Armada Jetfire has the toy inexplicable mistransformed for the first couple of images https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/toys/gallery/armada/jetfire/382/

>>11759993
Just hunt down the original figures. Studio Series will cock them all up.

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>>11760099
How do you mistransform a figure that's packaged in robot mode?
>>11760101
This. I was trying to think what exactly was off but the new figures just completely lack the dynamism of the originals.

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>>11759703
You can fake the classic null ray placement using her wings, but the illusion only holds up in certain poses.

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>>11759703
>>11760110
To your other question, she feels find in hand. No floppy joints, at least not on my copy. I wanted a seeker but I quite like her for what she is.

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>>11760112
>feel find in hand
*fine, obviously

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>>11760102
My guess is that they had it in vehicle mode and transformed it based on the instructions as they don’t mention to push his chest up. My question is how do you realize it’s mistransformed and not go back and redo the previous photos?
>>11760120
That actually looks kind of nice

>>11759554
Seriously, why the fuck can't Hasbro do black plastic anymore? Everything that's supposed to be black is brown instead, nowadays.

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>>11760110
This toy got a lot of flack, but I quite like this design for Slipstream.
It's like an amalgam of the old Takara Windblade remold and the various designs loosely based on the Prime Starscream redeco.
I don't know why people want her to be just another purple Starscream.

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>>11760129
>I don't know why people want her to be just another purple Starscream.
Well that's easy, because that's what she always was and because people wanted an official female seeker for decades. (though we also have Nova Storm, often forgotten about)
Like I said, I grew to like Legacy Slipstream for what she is but I was beating the drum for an ER recolor louder than anyone. (and for Sunstorm, but that's another story)

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>>11760120
>>11760134
Damn...now i have to buy another $200 worth of transfomer because he looks cool...

>>11760146
>but I was beating the drum for an ER recolor louder than anyone
I think what people wanted was a deluxe female seeker mold. Slipstream was never going to be an ER Starscream repaint that base mold is way too boxy to pass as anything female

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>>11760146
>because that's what she always was
No, she wasn't, Animated Slipstream was smaller and lither than Starsream and had a different head design.
Meanwhile, people want her to look like this.

>>11760129
>>11760155
I think people want a Road Rage style retool rather than a straight redeco for Slipstream because they want a toy of hers that somewhat matches every other seeker in size. That and people want more Voyager and Leader sized Fembots

>>11760146
>because that's what she always
The only time she was EVER a purple starscream was that one TFCC repaint of prime starscream.

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>>11759922
Holier sovl

>>11760130
>Mistransformed original that is also missing a piece
Yeah, no wonder they messed up.

>>11760155
>No, she wasn't, Animated Slipstream was smaller and lither than Starsream and had a different head design.
For fuck's sake anon, that's what I mean and in no way contradicts what I said. This is why I always talk about the autism of this general. I mean in broad strokes, obviously. You've seen Kingdom Tracks to Road Rage right? Are you really gonna say she's not "red Tracks" at the end of the day? And yes, I would have also liked her as pictured without any retooling because the seeker design is inherently kind of androgynous to begin with.
I love how there are people out there who will clamor for a new Strika and then say your pic related looks too much like a dude, all in the same breath.
>>11760154
Slipstream was never going to be an ER Starscream repaint that base mold is way too boxy to pass as anything female
See above, plus don't forget that the even boxier Siege seeker mold was used to make a Nova Storm.

>>11760159
>why no, I've never seen Animated!
It was literally her original appearance anon.

>>11760165
see
>>11760155
I'm being literal here but she was never a starscream recolor like skywarp and thundercracker are.

>>11760120
I'm pleased at the amount of dedicated engineering this mode has
The way the shins extend and the nosecone seemingly disappears
They knew this is how he'd be diaplayed 96% of the time

>>11760166
She was close enough and you're being obtuse if you can't see that.
What she never was was a Windblade recolor until that Generations toy of her came out.

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>>11760163
You're being incredibly disingenuous.
Road Rage is a red Tracks because she's based on toy that was red Tracks. She's never not been red Tracks, in any toy or piece of media.
Same for Nova Storm (not toy, but character model), who wasn't even female until IDW retconned it after the Siege toy came out.
Slipstream was never just a recolor, her proportions are clearly different, you couldn't just take an old Animated Starscream toy, paint it purple and teal and be done.

>>11760120
>no shuttle front in sight
Uh oh. Partsforming again?

>>11760163
>>11760177
At the end of the day, people just want the toys to resemble what the character is like in their heads.
Nobody cares that Nova Storm, Road Rage and Strika are blocky fembots because they've always been blocky fembots.
Slipstream is a wild card because people have different ideas of her. To some, she's another seeker recolor, she doesn't need to look different nor should she. To others, she's a seeker but more feminine, she needs to look different even at the expense of the seeker aesthetic.

>>11760120
but how will he be stable without an obnoxious retarded frame?

>>11760179
ERM WELL MAGIC DOESN'T REAL SO YOU HAVE TO BE THANKFUL NO MATTER HOW BAD THE SLOP IS

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>One of my frequent buying online sellers posted this as part of the product page

I don't know if he is trying to encourage or discourage people from preordering Jefire

Panther remold and recolor from ROTB Cheetor, but more importantly, how the fuck have we not gotten a Rhino out of Kingdom Rhinox? I thought Hasbro wringed their molds until there was not a drop left.

Well, got Jetfire on Amazon. Would get it on Pulse too, if they'd let me...

>>11760201
meant for>>11759975

>>11760199
Jetfire always looked bulky but strong. New one is just wonky. Amazing what changing the shape of the chest and crotch can do, just be making the upper chest narrower and having the nosecone hanging so low it completely messes with the overall feel of the design.

...are we sure they aren't intentionally making the bay toys in studio series bad so they can turn around and plead for more g1 stuff in the line?

>>11760180
The new seeker mold would probably be perfect for her since the front of the torso could easily be swapped out for a slimmer one.

>>11760193
You see, jetfire IS the frame.

>>11759975
Cryotek, as they STILL won't release him.
Other than that, Primal Prime (if the "New Prime" thing really is a rerelease of the Throne of the Primes with OpOp).
Also, fuck whatever is going on with the captcha today.

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>>11760206
Can't consider it a change when you never wasted money on the original and it doesn't exist in your mind.

>>11760221
That robot mode looks pretty bad even in a vacuum. It's not egregiously bad like Sideways but these updates always manage to fumble something because they just don't understand why some things were designed in a certain way in the first place.

>>11760223
Sideways is good though.

>>11760048
Ohhh that's a good call, that is almost surely not happening.

i guess I have more 'dream redesigns' like I'd love to see TM2 blackarachnia done properly, not compromising either mode, not making her face weird and ugly like in the show, not goofing up her beast mode head like in the show, but the robot mode not having gigantic kibble either..

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>>11760069
Gotta say that looks okayish.
if I ever buy this guy it's gonna be a recolor for certain, and I'll make him an OC. I'll think of him as this squatty, stout dwarven warrior.

man okay, here's my dream recolor, shattered glass beast megatron but either NOT using this mold, or using a significantly improved version of it. I'd rather it just be Kingdom mold

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Well, look who just showed up - I wasn't expecting either of these guys today, let alone at the same time. Not sure who I want to open and review first, though it'll be a bit before I can play around with either of them.

>>11760206
same for Big Convoy
He was always big, and always had a lot of hangy kibble, but they changed every aspect of both of those aspects and ruined it.

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>>11759723
What?

>>11760129
>an amalgam of the old Takara Windblade remold and the various designs loosely based on the Prime Starscream redeco

The resulting toy has none of these qualities

>>11760177
>>11760180
With better consideration from them, they could do something akin to takara's GS Tentakill & Scylla for the seekers & slipstream

>>11760225
Haha, no

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>>11760066
>Wow, Sakamoto is being weirdly conservative with Thunderblast's design
Nah, he's drawing her the same as he always has - he just colored the underside of her boobs the same color as her chestplate so it would slip past the troons' radars. These are the same panels colored properly, with no modifications to the existing lineart.

>>11760130
When the OG toy (which was shit) brutally mogs the latest design then you know that today's designers are just taking the piss. Thank christ for 3rd party companies

>>11760243
I owned the dumpsterfire that was the original Sideways, Legacy is the toy I wanted over twenty years ago instead of proof that Armada was a garbage line with Unicron being a fluke.

>>11760079
So, translating this shows the characters aren't actually from the G2 era - Flatline THINKS they ended up on the G2 timeline and is making everyone "dress up" to fit in before making Motormaster and the others participate in the Speedia 500.
With that in mind, who decided Nemesis' colors? Given we know this version of her is a Titan and not just a ship, was it her own idea to paint herself the same colors as Jhiaxus?

>>11760246
New one looks better though

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>>11760246
>the OG toy (which was shit)

>>11760243
haha, these combiner wars figures look worse as time goes on

>>11760247
>I owned the dumpsterfire that was the original Sideways, Legacy is the toy I wanted over twenty years ago
I still own the original and what I always wanted is a Sideways with heads that looked as cool as the anime designs. The new one manages to make those look even worse, the new minicons fucking suck. Less articulated, partsform and can't even be bothered to hide the head mode eyes. They changed the black one transformation so now the horns in head mode are completely wrong. Also the bike mode looks way worse with obvious hinges on the sides compared to the original. Sideways has terrible looking feet and fat lower arms that are completely innacurate and they also botched the faction change gimmick as it doesn't have a blank position for bike or minicon-less modes.
Yes, they added joints. That's good. But everything else is trash. Fuck that thing, that's not the Sideways I've been waiting for all this time.

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>>11759975
Magna convoy out of Siege OP (especially it got the same sword instead of the strike shied/axe)

>>11760247
Please, the new one is trashily designed. Everyone in these toylines has articulations, we get it, but they can't compete to be functional or pleasant to see; the autobot head is retarded looking, his feet look like pic rec

>>11760199
Man, he is fatter & less gracious + his head is tiny

>>11760251
Nemesis got her white colors from crossing the rift in space, in the Killing Jar episode; even the quintesson shuttle was prone to color change

>>11760257
The original wasn't functional or pleasant to look at, and it had worse feet.

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>>11760246
>the OG toy (which was shit)

>>11760243
huh. these actually look okay. and they also look properly female... aside from the torso clearly just being a facade.
>>11760244
thank you. nothing conservative about those whiners.

>>11760257
Still, the noticeable Musai-like ship that is an original design for Transformers ending up getting White Base colors with the added tricolor patches... Who thought this was a wise idea? I know I kept comparing to Gundam time and again (hey, Sunrise did some animation with the 86 movie that gave me some comparisons), but it's actually glaring to Gundam fans who know how to separate the two franchises.

>>11759533
>>11760199
NGL, the way they sculpted new Jetfire makes him kinda look like he's wearing a top that's pulled down to show off his tits LMAO

>>11760258
>The original wasn't functional
The gimmick and minicons actually worked as intended.

>or pleasant to look at
Bike mode is way better. And the helmets looked innacurate to the animation but still better than "obvious swivel mouthplate" and "fucked up horns" on the new ones that manage to have even worse sculpts.

>and it had worse feet.
As far as articulation goes sure, but as far as looks? Not even close. New one looks like his ankles broke.

The original toy was pretty wonky and lacked articulation, but after 20 years what we got is a sidegrade at best, and that is pathetic.

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>>11760290
Nothing but an upgrade. The shit gimmick ruined the entire toy, he walked on flat clown shoes that sounded like they were scraping off every time you slide them, and he looked liked a cobbled together pile of junk. But hey you could shove a minicon on his head and make him look more retarded, 10/10 best toy in the universe.

>>11760101
I have several original figures, but I don't have rose-tinted glasses. They are not perfect and there is plenty to improve.
Several of the figures lack wrist articulation and have sideways gorilla elbows, obv no ankles, and despite some stellar deluxes, most still had nothing more than a neck swivel even if they didn't have gimmicky electronics preventing a balljoint.
Most of the Autobots had inaccurate weapons, Optimus gets neckfat if you put his facemask down, the size-accurate Bulkhead has a bunch of tacked on shit, Lugnut and Sentinel Prime are forever a midgets, there really isn't a perfect TFA Bumblebee, Ratchet and Blitzwing are just... Ass...
And that's without mentioning all the characters who never got figures to start with.

Ntm with current prices, I'll never buy the figures I don't own already from childhood (like Wreck-Gar, Samurai Prowl, Blurr, the jet twins, or Wing Optimus).

>>11760310
>They are not perfect and there is plenty to improve.
I agree, but I also know modern Hasbro and the compromises they'll make.

>BBTS finally processing 86 Megatron preorder

>>11760179
I think it becomes his new backpack, optimus needs one in order to lock his torso to the waist

>>11759565
>>11759560
something I've noticed with modern hasbro editions of the older anime transformers designs is they often lack the same sense of gesture and dynamism in the sculpt's form. They just look stiffer and more awkward. With big convoy for example the legs have a slight curvature to them that's missing from the new version.

The animated figures are another example>>11760160
>>11759922

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>you, an idiot: "They based Jetfire on a shitty mistransformation NOOOOOOO
>me, a chad genius: "ah, Dreamwave Jetfire at last your greatness has returned to us"

>Armada, Animated and Prime get sidegrades at best when compared to OGs
>Cybertron gets hit after hit when they're dedicated molds
Cybertronbros, why are we winning so hard?

>>11760337
Things are easier to cad using flatter panels and shapes. Probably a sign that designers are either being rotated or veteran staff are getting used to modern software.

>>11760339
Every Armada toy is an upgrade though, and the Animated toys aren't the ugly Ben 10 jumpsuit people anymore.

>>11759533
This probably doesn't mean anything, but I find it interesting they're calling him Armada Jetfire.
The AotP packaging doesn't do universes anymore, this makes Armada look like a title or part of his name.

>>11760339
>Hit after hit
Metroplex, uhhhhhhh

>>11760360
>Metroplex
A figure so unpopular it's up on amazon RIGHT NOW for $129.99

>>11760360
Besides the lack of his macro-con, what's the issue?

>>11760337
yeah well in fairness, animated shows always cheat

>>11760361
He was almost good. I'm still in disbelief that they didn't add ratchets or a locking mechanism so it could hold Spark Drinker properly. It falls out so easily.

I miss light-up gimmicks and spring loaded weapons

>>11760342

>the ugly Ben 10 jumpsuit people

THANK YOU.

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I've decided to do Breakaway first - he has fewer modes, and fewer things to address versus Basara Prime.
I'll start with the packaging - it's been a long, long time since I've seen a Transformers toy in a box like this. They posed him in the middle of kicking his ball, which is fun, and he's got two other pieces in there - part of his ball form, and the stand for you to perch him on.

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>>11760360
Yea but he good

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>>11760406
Out of the box, with all of his stuff. He's got some nice, metallic blue paint on him. The silver he's made with is swirly, which may be something to look out for later, but it feels sturdy enough for now.

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>>11760409
He's got a decent range of motion in his legs, as well as a faux ab crunch that's part of his transformation - this lets him bring his knees pretty high up, which is exactly what you want for a soccer-bot. I'm a little disappointed with his elbows, though - you only get about 90° bending them forward. His wrists are balljoints, so they can move around pretty well, and his head has enough clearance to look up and down a bit.
His toes have pegs on them so you can stick his ball on one and make it look like he's kicking or balancing it; his feet also have peg holes under them, so he can attack to the blue stand in robot mode. He comes with no weapons (he's an athlete, not a soldier), but I suppose there's nothing stopping him from spiking his ball into an enemy Decepticon's face or kicking them with his cleats in a pinch.

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>>11760410
Ball form. They tried to make his transformation a bit more interesting than what you'd expect - his entire chest piece with his arms has to spin around, and his feet fold up and tuck in kinda weirdly. Sadly, he's a partsformer - that piece that was separate in his box is needed to cover the hole where his feet go in, and it just clips onto his back when in robot mode. Still, there's something strangely pleasing about having him as a perfect little sphere once fully transformed.
Oh, his soccer ball actually opens up like a clamshell and pegs into the bottom of his base, so all of his pieces get to stay together.

Managed to find Nexus Prime at Target today, also had a Sideways so might go back tomorrow hoping it's there. What's the deal with Target keeping the old price points for transformers? It's nice but everywhere else has kept with the price increase

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>>11760412
Bonus pics. Partsforming and elbows aside, he's pretty fun - especially if you have some pose stands lying around - but I suppose your level of enjoyment will vary depending on how much you like the thought of owning a soccer-bot. I kinda want them to redo Krok with this mold so he has someone to play against.

>>11760374
exploding shoulders

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>>11760414
And that's all. I'll see if I have time to do Basara Prime tomorrow.
>>11760413
Lucky - I haven't seen either of those guys yet. Not sure about the prices - it seems like everyone's doing their own thing these days.

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>>11760414
>I kinda want them to redo Krok with this mold
It strangely kind of works. There's a lot of details on Breakaway that loosely match Krok. Even his chest resembles Krok's cockpit chest.

>>11760394
Same. I miss simple Transformers that were chunky and did cool shit. That's why I love Cyberworld Scorponok, he scratches that itch. I need more like him yesterday.
>spring loaded weapons
Ooof, that's one I don't see coming back too soon. Modern safety standards and allat.

>>11760409
if the torso just transformed a bit more, instead of being a beachball on stilts, I'd enjoy this just as an orbformer.

>>11760394
I miss lights, but springs are a pain.
and if we ARE going to get missile weapons, they should be like G2 megatron's cannon. I'm sorry, but for pretty obvious reasons, no missile launcher in the world has the missile POKING OUT OF THE TUBE.
There's missiles on a jet attached to underslung pylons, sure. But if you could hit those, you could hit the jet, and it'd be dead anyway

>>11760407
Between him and BlackZarak who I got at the same time and price, I like him less though.

>>11760244
... copter dude on the left has a gun dick.

>>11760434
That's Buzzsaw, who may or may not be related to the Yellowjacket dude from Beast Wars/Beast Machines.

>people itt shitting on animated, OG armada jetfire, etc
god you niggers are such shit taste faggots

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won't pretend to know how these toys are designed. Compromises have to be made with it having 3 modes of transformation and with toy safety standard.

I can understand the low crotch; it probably has something to do with the Jet Convoy, but my beef is really with the black block of the chest.

The coloring and the how big it is, it does look like Jetfire is baring his man tits with the chest winglets opened and the gold nozzles on the side just merge with the front block. Like he is wearing a mid-section corset, those without the top part covering the breast and for jetfire's case it is now a man who is wearing it.
Had that block colored in white with black painted top would mitigate the look (I think)- but it would change the look of the shuttle somewhat.

Still, the low crotch would still be a problem. But at least we would only have 1 major visual flaw instead of 2.

Man, after finding Nexus today and looking at the combiner head in person and all I can think is he has a heck of a fat head compared to the previous 3 combiners. Speaking of heads, I'm still kind of bummed that Menasors head can only go left and right. Devastator you can cheat with how it's made while Superion gets the best of the bunch for movement

>>11760457
I will always think the AOTP Nexus will be obsolete as soon as we get Shattered Glass Heatwave, on top of hoping the limbs have pieces of the Cyber Caliber for Nexus to wield.

Since Nexus is getting limbs next year, I still hope they don't do a g2 Silverbolt for the frame and call it a day but this is hasbro we are talking about. My hope would be for a commander Heatwave that would work as the lower torso and chest piece for Nexus to slot into

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i wish there was a way to have both fun gimmicks and modern articulation

>>11760505
I love the colors on that Topspin so much. Gorgeous in both modes.

>>11760509
There was, but the biggest problem with Transformers, since the late 90s, is that boomers only want to complete their G1 character line-up and they are the largest group within the fandom.
You'll never have a truly fun original character until these dickwads are happy with their latest geewun Optimus.

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>>11760473
Have an attempt at what I'm talking about. Heatwave's head broke off ages ago, still pops back in since its broke clean. I'm also wondering if something could go into hollow legs for torso mode

>>11760512
is ss86 enough to make them happy?

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>>11760512
Was Classics a mistake?

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>>11760512
actually, we do get fun figures, just wish they got a higher budget

>>11760509
I like fun gimmicks but i don't want them to be stupid..
if anything is spring-loaded, i want it to be like, pull up optimus's forearm guns and they spring out forward. Instead of the original that weirdly opens up his arm like a mouth, or the new one where the cannons don't extend.

>>11760517
To them.
It's a good-looking figure, but I don't like the kibble. There's just too much of it.