>>219804820
Because millennial writers (especially the females) are a bunch of snarky, uninspired narcissists whose minds have been warped by spending too much time online smugly bickering with each other.

>>219804820
The lazy answer is Joss Whedon ruined writing. The slightly less lazy answer is writers decided it was better to make their shitty writing "self aware" that it's shitty instead of actually improving their craft. Modern western writing is basically gratuitous lampshading.

Women. They are the majority now in the writing room and it shows.

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>>219804820
I likes 90s action/cop/thrillers/mafia writings. We had badass glowies and cops. I feel like that ended with breaking bad

>>219805159
>describe zoomers
>call them millennials
non-writers are being hired as writers, that is the real problem. they are people who gain inspiration from conversations they have with friends instead of concepts and possibilities that they build in their mind.

>>219804820
only if (((Hollywood))) allows straight White males back into the studios

>>219806005
Zoomers are much less confrontational than millennials. From my experience, they're more inclined to be goofy than sassy.

>non-writers are being hired as writers, that is the real problem
This is definitely *part* of the problem, but I'd be willing to bet the majority of writers are still people who went to school for writing and think of themselves as serious writers.

>>219805233
Unfortunately True. Most of them get meme degrees like English literature or Social Sciences so that's the kind of work they naturally fall into.

>>219806469
Or maybe not i take that back

>In 2025, women accounted for only 20% of writers for the top 250 grossing films.

>>219806366
I know that, you can't say anything around zoomers without hearing about it later in a disappointed frown tone. they're sensitive and don't like hostility at all even when it's just entertainment or real life sarcasm.

>>219806550
>don't like hostility at all even when it's just entertainment
But how do you do character conflict if there isn't some inherent underlying hostility?

>>219806548
Nta but women are much more likely to be on writing teams for stuff like Netflix and HBO productions. Generally speaking, they can't hack it on their own.

>>219806658
>women are much more likely to be on writing teams for stuff like Netflix and HBO productions
For what reason?

>>219806788
Pretty sure it has something to do with the nature of estrogen vs. testosterone and the fact that an abundance of the former makes one more inclined to follow than lead.

>>219806879
>something to do with the nature of estrogen vs. testosterone
And this makes women more likely to want to write for Netflix and HBO shows why?

>>219804820
because most things are written by California based female college graduates and/or faggots.

>>219804820
i hate when they use a word in dialogue that's never used in real life not once ever
I'm not going to give you an example

>>219806879
That would explain why that Resident Evil show Netflix did seemed more interested in the teenage girls instead of the actual plot and horror stuff, but even then why hire women who have no interest in horror or sci-fi at all?

>>219806939
>And this makes women more likely to want to write for Netflix and HBO shows why?
... because they get to join a large platoon of writers rather than taking on the sole responsibility of writing a screenplay.

>>219806969
the women think they do, but it's the same as when kids play with toys: boys want to become the toy, girls want the toy to become them.

Women may think they like sci-fi or horror, but in reality they want to change the entire genre to be what they think it should be.

>>219806996
makes sense, 99% of women can't write for shit.

>>219806969
DEI is a thing, especially in the entertainment industry.

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>>219804820
Watched stalker last night now I want something vain, juvenile and trashy like hazbin hotel done through the prism of philosophical wanderings and existential woes of Stalker.
Please it would be fucking kino and hilarious.

>>219806939
Because women, are clout chasers first and foremost and Netflix & HBO have a "prestigious" reputation, so they're more inclined for what will give them clout instead of anything resembling the deep, complex storytelling usually associated with at least HBO

>>219807011
Well their vision of what a show about a mad scientist causing the zombie apocalypse intentionally is fucking terrible. They didn't seem to get the memo that if Wesker did have kids, he'd more than likely abandon them to die and not give a fuck.

That's a thing I notice with villains written by women is they sometimes try to soften them for presumably, masturbatory fantasy reasons. And usually these women are white so the old adage of "White women are fucking retarded" rings true.

>>219807147
That's less a woman issue and more a millennial/zoomer one, they bought into this gay meme called "Media Literacy" and it's brainwashed them into thinking villains being villainous or actually bad people is some kind of condoning of evil acts

>>219807380
That's nothing to do with media literacy, it's people being told that actual evil doesn't exist, just people with different beliefs. So everyone has to have to do what they do for a Greater Good or at least what they think is a Greater Good.

Which is, of course, bullshit. Some people are just evil. You can look at real people like Jimmy Saville or Ian Watkins or Jeffrey Epstein or indeed Donald Trump and you aren't gonna find any higher ideals or traumatic backgrounds. Some people are just greedy and cruel and that's it.

>>219808630
Maybe not ideals, but being subjected to circumcision is probably traumatic enough to drive all kinds of bizarre behavior in later life.

>>219808712
I don't know, man. I'm not circumcised but I know a couple of people who are and I don't think it did them any lasting psychological harm.

>>219806258
That's not the issue anymore either, straight white men are also perpetually on the internet, getting into feuds and quarells and bitching about culture war bullshit with everyone. They'd be just as bad as anyone else.

>>219806366
>but I'd be willing to bet the majority of writers are still people who went to school for writing and think of themselves as serious writers.
That's the problem, you can't go to 'school' for writing, you either have it and are bred in an environment where you develop it and persevere or you don't. Film school has sucked all of the creativity and natural organic process out of film.

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>>219806788
I don't know if you've heard yet, but there's this new thing in the past 15 years called "Diversity Quotas" and "DEI" going around...

>>219805233
>>219806469
Back when Community was being made NBC forced half of the writing staff to be women. Dan Harmon is a retarded cuck and said it worked out great and maybe it did for him or he and other men were carrying the women's water. Either way this was in 2009. There are some good women writers but they never needed to be forced into being hired. DEI for women, blacks, every other race scuttling out from the stack to crabs in a bucket each other and any piece of the pie they can get making all entertainment garbage is just the way things are.

All the retards copying Whedon was just a coincidence that people stick with because annoying bad writers copy Whedon.

>>219808779
And even film itself isn't used anymore.

>>219805201
>>219806005
I can tell this is the real answer, since this is exactly how I, and entirely uncreative person, would write something if I had to. Based on conversations with my friends or from on here.

>>219806650
This is the problem, they grew up with the mindset and conceit that conflict must be avoided at any and all costs, when actually conflict is necessary to life, isn't inherently bad or negative, and I'd even argue it's the only thing preventing life from being a neutral wave frequency.

>>219808630
>>219808712
Oh hey, some Discord trannies got the memo that DEI was being scrutinized ITT and swooped in to make sure the discussion go redirected to "acceptable" targets.

>>219808757
>Ummmm OK it 100% worked before when we had White men in the Writing-Room and hired for Talent instead of skin-color, vaginas and ideological nepotism.....b-b-but it won't work NOW if we return to that because [mumble mumble excuse mumble mumble], s-so let's not even bother t-trying!

>>219808870
You're legit proving my point right now by appealing to culture war talking points, something those old great story makers would never do. You think just because you're white you're going to have high artistic ideals/values, ethics, and understanding of virtue and passions in the human heart? No, that isn't inherent. We used to be possess that broadly as a country and we just also so happened to be white. Just kicking all the non white people out won't do anything because whites suck too now.

>>219808870
The best director, writer and probably cinemotographer on earth right now are all Mexicans. Let that sink in, /pol/chud

>>219804820
wokeshift over the last ~15 years from competency in the writer's room to mandated 75% or more women, poc, and lgptq in the writer's room.

>>219808915
>You're legit proving my point right now by appealing to culture war talking points
No, I'm contradicting YOUR "culture-war" bullshit, retard.
Don't try to target and attack White males with your ideological points and THEN accuse your opponent of "culture-war shit" when they counter-argue you, dipshit.
Why do leftists keep trying to take this weaselly-ass route for arguing? I.e. being belligerent "Culture-Warriors" to start off with, and then accusing people of exactly what they just did when they contradict them?

>>219808915
There has been a not only evident, but an outright ADMITTED movement across the industry to exclude White males from Writing-Rooms as much as possible over the past 15 years. See: >>219808790
It's not even up for "debate": The people behind it outright admit to it and even brag about it.
That's not a "culture war talking point". That's just "a fact".

You want no more "culture war shit"? Then stop waging cultural wars for decades on end, shit head. Once things return to how they were before >>219808790
THEN we can talk about "culture war shit" never having to be brought up again.

>>219808779
I don't 100% agree with you but this is why many things are shit. Why are all cop shows retarded and nonsensical? Because nobody writing them knows how being a cop works or even takes the time to figure it out or even uses a consultant to get notes.
Almost all old cop shows you get former cops on the writing staff to make sure things reflected reality. Nobody even tries that at all anymore. They're more worried about making sure the writing staff is a rainbow and that they portray the "truths" of the unhoused, minorities, mentally divergent, etc. Reality for most people is being a whiny piece of shit so everything written now is about being a whiny piece of shit.

>>219808996
Bro you're stupid. I'm proving YOUR logic as faulty, which is whites would somehow save television in film from DEI and culture war nonsense, when in reality you, a white man, are clearly obsessed with it. You'd probably fill all your writing with it, because you're clearly not interested or passionate about faithfully and passionately expressing the human condition through film and TV, you're passionate about how it can serve you socio-political narrative and be weaponized against people you hate. That goes for most of this site, you're all obsessed with culture war, /pol/chud hate. You're as bad as the people you hate, you're maybe even worse. It's horseshoe theory. If you all fucked off and died the world would be a better place.

>>219808915
>You think just because you're white you're going to have high artistic ideals/values, ethics, and understanding of virtue and passions in the human heart?
I never claimed that. I literally even stipulated
>hired for talent instead of skin-color
you insipid, disingenuous faggot.

It's leftists who instead have claimed for 15 years now that certain people have "high artistic ideals/values, ethics, and understanding of virtue and passions in the human heart" simply for being brown, being gay, being female, etc., and that THAT was why they now HAD TO make up the majority of any writing-team, regardless of any actual levels of talent or professional experience.

>>219809065
>when in reality you, a white man, are clearly obsessed with it.
What part of
>Don't try to target and attack White males with your ideological points and THEN accuse your opponent of "culture-war shit" when they counter-argue you, dipshit
did you not understand?
You're not very good at hiding YOUR agenda, are you, you fat-lipped, disingenuous, subversive piece of shit?

>>219809031
Like 80% of the top grossing films last year were from white guys lol. The industry is more saturated with DEI because of streaming but white guys still run everything but quality has still gone down.

But here's a challenge for you: weite something spectacular and produce it. It's easier than ever to self produce your own movie. Ehat are you waiting for? The cream rises to the top, always, in every industry, but especially the arts. Or are you a self defeatist cuck who won't even get started filming anything because you've already predetermined the DEI will prohibit your masterpiece from recieving the praise it deserves. Have you even ever filmed or written anything?

>>219809082
>It's leftists who instead have claimed for 15 years now that certain people have "high artistic ideals/values, ethics, and understanding of virtue and passions in the human heart"
They've literally never once claimed that. Now you're being the disengenious faggot. Guess we're the same after all!

>>219809065
wow, what a faggot.

>>219809065
>"Fuck White men!"
>"No, fuck you, SJW piece of shit"
>"Y-Y-YOU'RE 'OBSESSED' WITH POLITICS! J-JUST LIKE THE SJW'S!!!"
What a flimsy-ass argument. Get fucked.

>>219809112
My agenda is I hate both you, the extreme chud right, and the extreme gay/dei left. You both deserve firing squads. You're both ruining our country.
>Disengenious
>fat lipped
>Subversive
Oh boy, more stock standard empty vague /pol/ buzzwords! Why don't you do us all a favor and stay there? I'll even link it for you

>>>/pol/

>>219809129
>They've literally never once claimed that.
Yes they have. Do you not know what a "Diversity Quota" is? Do you not know they've been standard practice in many Writing-Rooms for more than 15 fucking years now, as demonstrated by the example in >>219808792
?

>>219809154
They are pushing diversity quota's, which is bad, but they've never claimed exactly what you've quoted, not even one part of it. You're in a state of delusion and you seem unwell, and very angry and hateful.

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>The people complaining about the problem, and working to solve it, are JUST AS BAD as the people who created the problem and are making things worse!
Lol, get fucking raped you disingenuous piece of shit. That shit may have worked on some dupes in 2014 or something but nobody's falling for that in 2026. The jig's up.

>>219809174
Nigga you ain't well. Any adult minded person coming acorss our back and forth can clearly see that. You strike me as an underaged who just discovered /pol/.

>>219809169
>hey are pushing diversity quota's, which is bad, but they've never claimed exactly what you've quoted
Wait, so they're NOT mandating that Writing-Rooms include browns and women because they think they're better Writers? ...WHY are they doing it then? To INTENTIONALLY make Writing worse rather than accidentally? Are leftists that fucking retarded and destructive now?

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No "adult minded person" complains about "the chud right" or even knows what that is, tranny. It's literal tranny-speak from Tumblr. Unfortunately the same isn't true for DEI and other wokeshit, which the normie public has now become aware of in the past couple years and also has EMPHATICALLY rejected.

You're a wokeoid desperately trying, and failing, to feign being a """normal""" outside overserver and nobody's falling for it.
And that's obvious to anyone that knows this "culture war" was never between "wokeoids vs. chuds" or whatever imaginary dynamic wokeoids came up with to justify their plight: It has literally always been "wokeoids vs. normal people simply resisting wokeoids and their destructive invasion of culture". The shit you decry as "anti-woke" is literally just where normal people are and have been for decades. You just NEED it to be a "muh both sides, tho!"-thing to justify your attacks on normal people with normal principles.

>>219809169
>but they've never claimed exactly what you've quoted, not even one part of it
Weird: Nobody else claimed that about White people to begin with, either. You just baselessly projected it onto your opposition starting in >>219808915

Holy shit you disingenuous queers are SO easy to dismantle. This is the debate-equivalent of shooting fish in a fucking barrel. Discord clearly ain't sending their best.

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>>219809065
>>219809152
>>219809190
>insipid leftist turd gets contradicted ONCE
>"/POL/!!! /POL/!!! /POL/!!! /POL/!!! /POL/!!! /POL/!!!"

>>219804820
Current gen writers haven't experienced life, other than by surrogate means, or through sanitized experiences marketed to them.
And so, that's how their writing appears.

>>219804820

TV writers used to be frustrated novelists (or successful ones in the case of The Wire) so their standards were higher

I've noticed everytime a major guild or union has a strike, the quality of their output inevitably suffers as a result. Sometimes this dip in quality is temporary and corrects over time but multiple large strikes in a short timespan usually result in the system completely failing.

>>219806548
>for only 20% of writers for the top 250 grossing films.
that just means that what they write doesn't make money, at least in that format, not that the women aren't the majority of writers

>>219808630
>TDS out of nowhere

>>219809276
How about you go for a walk and get some fresh air?

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>>219808757
>They'd be just as bad as anyone else.
>Firefighters are just as bad as the firestarters
cool story bro

>>219804820
>why aren't they good at X
women don't do that, they do whatever gets them noticed for joining AND leaving a thing. You would notice when they leave the creative writing room but that will never happen. For now they are deadset on making sure you notice that they are there now shitting up the place and could possibly be moved along in a drama filled way... which would totally be the worst thing that ever happened if you believe the stuff they put out.

>>219808996
>Why do leftists keep trying to take this weaselly-ass route for arguing?
ll their "argument" are either insults or NO U. Or both

>>219809438
>deflection
Why don't you? It's because your ideological bubble only exist in the corners of internet and you would meet normal people outside?

>>219809549
>>deflection
>Why don't you?

I will do exactly that in a couple of minutes, as it happens.

>how it was before
That's sexist, racist, mysoginist, and whatever other bullshit made-up term that they will attack you with when you long for times that were better in quality because what you get now is meant to erase that from memory.

Its not just that Joss Whedon-esque quip fest wink at the audience and camera and perform ironically within the world that you're in as opposed to playing it sincerely was the dominant form of writing in the popular film zeitgeist for 20 years and all other studios and such felt that they had to cookie cutter copy-paste that formula because of how hard and long it won for Disney. The problem lies in that while being inundated with that form of writing and cadence and rhythym for their own films, none of them ever participated in actual conversations with people. If it wasn't all through screens, phones, Skype and Zoom calls, the people writing the crap and trite aren't being socialized in and semblance of the world and are not accumulating real world and life experiences that people and writers of the past did in order to tell a compelling story that would make worthwhile films. They have their entire warped as fuck worldview fed to them through the internet and algorithms while stomp-clap-HEY-ukulele playing their way through corporate structures and hoop jumping. You add women and their raging hormones, s0ys who cry over the photocopier not working and collecting toys all over his work station, trannies thinking their women and sheltered idiots in suits rifling through fossilized IPs because its what they remember from their coke binges from the 80s and you simply get a situation where too many chefs pissing in the pot not only spoils the soup, but several other higher ups, cliques, agendas and interests need to whip their dilation wands and crusty foreskin less dicks out to add their pinkish urine to the concoction as well and what you get is crap writing made for sound bites and meme material for phonescreens.

>>219809570
Sure you will, buddy. Sure you will.

>>219809610
*any semblance of the word

>>219809610
yep

>>219809114
>The cream rises to the top in every industry
That's not even remotely true

>>219806005
>non-writers are being hired as writers, that is the real problem. they are people who gain inspiration from conversations they have with friends instead of concepts and possibilities that they build in their mind.
Interesting, and I think I've noticed what you're talking about.

>>219806658
>women are much more likely to be on writing teams for stuff like Netflix and HBO productions.
Pretty fully explains the abomination that is True Detective Night Country

>>219809276
Good points. I used to be apolitical before Drumptler got involved and the world lost its mind to TDS, so I've gone 100% chud.

>>219809610
This

Everyone wants to blame women but the depth of life experiences for millenials is very shallow when compared to previous generations. With TV and the internet it's much easier to self-isolate and deprive yourself off real experiences. The real flaw is that they know how a proper story is supposed to flow but completely miss on the execution. Combine that with disjointed, uninteresting characters whose emotional range is just quipping regardless of the tone of the scene and you're left with what is bad execution disguised as subversion.

>>219809380
Unions always begin as a necessary corrective but end up going too far and destroy whatever industry they claim to protect by institutionalizing a lack of any corrective mechanism and unsustainable salaries and benefits

>>219810802
this is also 100% true

>>219808804
Exactly, even as a kid my own mom told me there were gonna come times in my life when I'll have to stand up for myself, she was a boomer but she was right

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>>219804820
The writers are all brown women now. They literally can’t do better.

>>219804820
The knowledge is lost

I'm sick and fucking tired of flibbertigibbets and faggots
There's enough of that crap in real life, and in the office world especially
The last thing I want at the end of the day is to re-experience that crap via the TV

>>219809065
>You'd probably fill all your writing with it
Good morning, sir! I fill the writing entirely!

>>219813077
>flibbertigibbets
I learned a new word.
Thank you anon

>>219804820
women treat work as a social activity so that leaks into any product they make.

>>219808804
Either underlying hostility between the leads, sexual tension, or both. Conflict is the driving force of stories, how do you tell a story without a conflict? Even a toy commercials masquerading as TV shows like He-Man, Transformers, TMNT, and Power Rangers understood this, characters need challenges to overcome

Interpersonal conflicts exist even in the slice of life anime these boring faggots love so much

>>219813292
>Even a toy commercials masquerading as TV shows
He said the line lmao
cope

>>219813172
>flibbertigibbets
yeah it's a good one, I think I first heard it from Meg Ryan in Joe Versus the Volcano
But it comes from Shakespeare, really

>>219813292
>sexual tension
Zoomers are literally the most abstinent and degenerate generation at once and they generally despise anything with sex appeal in their TV & Movies

>>219813367
>My entire point is stories at their most basic need conflict to drive them
>(You) can't even refute my point so you give a non-response
Way to go exposing yourself as a moron

>>219813557
>generally despise anything with sex appeal in their TV & Movies
that's because anything sexual in their TV and Movies is always ugly, unsexy, gross and gay

>>219813602
I'm not the anon you were talking too and we don't disagree about conflict.
I just laughed at you for the moronic meme you parroted

>>219813624
And yet when presented with an attractive actress they go apofuckingplectic and pitch a fit
Zoomers are unironically the most fickle generation to market anything towards

>>219813996
that's another thing entirely. they are dysfunctional in many way and scared by the ideal female form, which they perceive as beyond their reach, and unappealing (pure projection and sour grapes). This leads to their attainability fetish. That's why they gush over mid at best game characters (nuLara, nuJill, that balnd nondescript chich from the latest RE...) and actresses (wednesday chick, Sydney Sweeney, Zendaya...)
it's very sad and lame

>>219804820
lots of actors and writers have already talked about this. dialogue and stories are written to appeal to the phone audience. People listening while doing something else or on their phone while watching. They have to iterate plot points multiple times and they have sassy dialogue because it pops out when you're not paying attention, it's literally to grab your GFs attention while she is scrolling instagram instead of watching so she can feel included in the show. When will it go back to how it used to be? probably never as phones become more and more integrated. It will likely only get worse, with shows becoming shorter and created FOR phones. Within the next 5 years, you will see a major series only available on youtube shorts or tiktok in short minute or so bursts per episode.

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>You're as bad as the people you hate, you're maybe even worse. It's horseshoe theory

>>219814158
>attainability
>Sydney Sweeney
How is that attainable to anyone except someone who's rich or black?

>>219814158
Big Pharma also pumped them full of medications as kids because they needed to stomp out any sense of individuality or personality

>>219814481
That's less of Big Pharma acting on their own and more BlackRock doing their forcing the changing of behaviors and having Big Pharma do that work for them

>>219804820
Stop watching so much random, cheap streaming slop. Because I'm not noticing anything like that with the stuff I'm watching.

>>219815360
I watch Landman which is on a streaming service and I don't see that kind of dialogue, then again it might have to do with the fact the show takes itself seriously

>>219815902
That's because it's a prestige drama and prestige shows by their very nature are intended to be serious in tone

The only real male role model of the last 20 years is Rance. Video media is just a lost cause and I certainly wouldn't allow children to be subjected to it.

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because