>>219809546
It implies time is non-linear even though causality is, a classic bootstrap paradox.

>>219811430
It's a grandfather paradox, moron.

>>219811430
I think Donnie Darko solves this. The mistake is believing causality is actually taking place right in front of your face with observable events. If life is one great physical-spiritual omnibus moving through the universe, "God" or whatever you call it, then the individual's actions are highly predicted but they aren't necessary. The broad strokes of causality are set on a scale far beyond the individual, and the world flows around whatever tiny inputs are made.

It solves the paradox in situations like this, but still implies true time travel to the past is impossible, because the whole of causality can't be rolled back. If the past exists and you make contact with it, nothing could happen there to fundamentally alter the trunk of reality. They probably could've revealed themselves to themselves without anything happening, but if they tried to do it during a pivotal battle, someone would just die or suffer misfortune because the result is already written, and that's with fantasy magic. In reality it will take crazy technology to access even the individual visionary level of time travel.

As for why the so-called individual has such power to defy causality, we're still way bigger and heavier than almost all life. Humans have significant gravity in the landscape of causality, just none compared to the whole.

>>219809546
Pink jacket Hermione is the only part of these movies that I remember.

>>219809546
time turner threesome with two Hermiones

Buckbreak is the grandfather in this situation, you never see him dead. There's no paradox because the grandfather disappeared.

>>219809546
it implies no free will which isn't a problem logically but it also requires the universe somehow enforce a time traveler to not be able to change the past to not break causality which becomes quickly convoluted.
it's easier for the universe to just not allow time travel at all like in ours.

>>219812842
Lots of things could happen that are more possible than time travel. Maybe people just decide not to act on the time traveler's revelations, or maybe they forget. Maybe the person you tell steps on a lego and dies

>>219812842
>requires the universe somehow enforce a time traveler to not be able to change the past to not break causality which becomes quickly convoluted.
no it doesn't. causality occurs naturally when the time travel is integrated in the current timeline

>>219813411
The real problem is how did Harry see himself in the bush before it happened the first time. Either the movie isn't the first time it happened, (multiple timelines) free will doesn't exist at all and time travel is just an aspect of immutable causality, or something else.

>>219813800
I guess if we're constructing a pseudo theory of time travel, he wouldn't see himself "the first time" and the past people he later interacts with are only shades without free will. Or rather, you touch the stalk of your own life at an earlier point and it can react a little bit. "the past" would be a sort of dreamworld, like the tangent universe, that's largely deterministic and spooky liminal. Similar to hell.

They make major changes by freeing Sirius and Morty invents rock n' roll, but time travel IRL would probably be more abstract than that. More like the bunny mask burned into people's minds.

>story about time travel
Often kino
>time travel introduced as a plot point in a story that isn't otherwise about it
Always bad

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Who was in the wrong here?

>>219814790
The Eloi for not presenting bussy when confronted with an ancientchad

>>219809546
Just because it makes sense doesn't mean it makes sense, dude.

>>219815439
wow . . .

>>219812652
>He thinks there's an actual plot to be found in Donnie Darko

>>219814456
Final fantasy 14, 1 kino time and 1 ok time.
It's literally the only example I can think of though outside comedy shows.

>>219812680
that's a hoodie, ranjeet

why timetravel at all then?

>>219815606
RETARD ALERT

>>219809546
They hate it philosophically, not logically. Closed time loops mean that the entire timeline is fixed, at all points, at all times. Nothing "matters" on the grandest scale because existence will play out exactly as it plays out. Some people cannot emotionally handle being nothing more than a cog in a machine, which can never rise to be anything more than a cog.

>>219813800
There is no such thing as a "first time" in a closed time loop. The chicken and the egg have both always existed.

They're parody books for children.

>>219815926
Parody of what?
I can't think of a single magic school story that predates Harry potter, mystical martial arts schools maybe.

>>219816091
Please be bait. Groosham Grange, The Worst Witch, A Wizard of Earthsea

>>219811430

So what happens if the loop is broken and Hermione decides not to use the time turner? Does the timeline change and Harry and Sirius are killed by the dementors or does the universe corrects to keep Harry alive? Harry has a prophecy he is destined to fulfill after all...

>>219817126
>So what happens if the loop is broken and Hermione decides not to use the time turner?
the loop can't be broken. she already used it but in the future

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>>219809546
Wish I could go back in time to early 2000s, I could fix everything.

>>219817126
Why would Hermione ever decide that, though? There's no other way to save Buckbeak and Sirius, Dumbledore himself told her. And she's still in her naive student phase, hence Dumbeldore would know best.

>>219809546
deterministic time travel is the most realistic there can be

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>>219812680
I remember reading a newspaper article around the time *Prisoner of Azkaban* was released; it mentioned how much the kids had grown and noted that Emma Watson's breasts had taken shape, making her look quite like a young lady... I recall there was also talk about whether or not to replace the actress because the kids were growing up so fast.

>>219809546
Time travel is where storytelling goes to die.

>>219809546
Atheists love to make you feel bad, because if you're avoiding joy, you're avoiding God.

>>219809546
> sequel where Voldemort’s daughter goes back in time to prevent him from dying