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Iran war propaganda

>>219810322
Preventing genocidal terrorism isn't itself terrorism.

> Iran has factually enriched Uranium to 60%.
> 90% is required for a bomb.
> Only 3% is needed for civilian usage.
What does that tell you?

Iran factually is the number one exporter of terrorism in the world, their last president ordered all female protestors be raped prior to execution so they would not get into heaven.
In the 80s Iran-Iraq War they forced it to go on 6 years longer than it needed to (they pushed Iraq back to the pre-war borders as early as 1982 & Saddam made multiple ceasefire offers) because they wanted to spread their Islamic revolution.
They had child soldiers as young as 12 and brought back ww1/Imperial Japanese style human wave attacks wasting unfathomable numbers of their own soldiers lives for almost no gain.
They killed 7500 political prisoners in 4 years (by comparison the Shah killed only 100 across the entire 1970s)

Does that sound like a country that can be trusted with nukes?

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>>219810485
In no point in the movie they say that the "Rogue Country" is Iran, though.

>>219811834
Iran is the only country we exported F-14 Tomcats to and both the snowy mountain setting & nuclear enrichment threat fit them.

The Su-57 Felons are Russian but Iran has recently bought Russian Flankers so them eventually buying Felons is easily possible and they certainly could have bought Felons instead if Russia could produce them faster.

>>219810485
Iran has ben extremely peaceful compared to some other nuclear armed countries so I don't see why not
North Korea has them, Pakistan has them, India has them, Russia has them, China has them, America has them, Israel has them. So no I really don't see the problem

>>219812189
Exporting the most amount of terrorism on the planet is not fucking peaceful you brain damaged psychotic.

And the difference is none of those other nations are suicidal. Iranian leadership absolutely is willing to let their entire population die if it means they get to be martyrs for God. They do not give a shit about MAD, they want nukes because they want to kill the entire population of Israel, period.

>>219812189
Obama said preventing Pakistan from using nukes was among the greatest struggles of his presidency so acting like they are peaceful is nonsense.

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>>219810322

>Murders half of the Iranian government with airstrikes in the middle of negotiations
>Acts like the survivors are crazy and unreasonable for not wanting a peace deal that's obviously just stalling for the next attack

>Threaten to conquer Greenland repeatedly and neglect to try to sell the war to allies.
>Get surprised Europeans aren't coming to help

>Promise to reindustrialize America so your retarded mutant supporters can have decent jobs again
>Instead tether the entire economy to the AI bubble

Is there something in the water over there, Ameribros?

>>219810322
>made a billy even after the chinks banned it because they wouldn't take the taiwan flag out
yeah, I'm thinking based

>>219810485
>Preventing genocidal terrorism isn't itself terrorism.
Which is why we need to destroy israel

>>219811834
The F14 Tomcat Maverick steals in the movie was a clever nod back to the original movie but it kinda gives away the identity of the enemy nation as being Iran simply because they were the only country still using and operating the F14 in the 2020's

>>219812244
Pakistan has exported far more Islamic terrorism since the 80s, on top of being a far more dysfunctional country than Iran. But it's your zog master that controls the narrative.

>>219812567
>Pakistan has exported far more Islamic terrorism since the 80s
SOURCE?

>>219812399
All it takes is to yell TRANNY BATHROOMS

>>219812720
They export most of it to India so nobody really notices or particularly cares.

>>219812757
Oh, that explains why Ranjeet is seething and posting AI slop

>>219812189
the problem, dumbass, is that once a country already has nukes your options for dealing with them are severely diminished because the threat of using nukes is on the table. russia has nukes therefore all that can be done is a proxy war via ukraine even though in conventional terms the us could venezuela them in a week. they only won't risk it because of nukes. that's why it's crucial to prevent iran from getting nukes, so that you don't get another player on the board that's semi-untouchable, particularly one that's run by literal suicide bomber goatfucking towelheads

>>219812757
all those train deaths in india are actually pakistani terror strikes. what they do is hijack indian trains and then just drive them normally

>>219812899
Why do you love israel so much?

>>219813053
i wouldn't say i love it but since they are one of the last western-adjacent states on earth that's willing to actually kill their enemies i respect it and wish white nations would learn from it

>>219813183
So is killing enemies the good part, or is "western" countries killing enemies the good part?

>>219813687
well i live in the west and i like the west and therefore i want the enemies of the west to be killed and for the enemies of the enemies of the west to not be killed, because that's me. i would have thought this was pretty straightforward.

>>219813769
So we should destroy israel? They've done more harm to white countries than anyone else

>>219813791
such as?

>>219813807
Among other things, the migrant crisis was instigated by zionist wars (israel deliberately destabilizes its neighbors so they're too weak to oppose it) and facilitated by jewish migrant aid services/NGOs. I suspect you already know this but you're more interested in being an internet tough guy than you are in actually helping the white race. I'm not going to convince you so this is mostly for the lurkers.

>>219813984
the migrant crisis would not have been a crisis if, as i wrote above, westerners were open to killing their enemies, or even just letting them die. it does not follow from israel's wars destabilizing ahmed's country that europe must let ahmed in and give him free money and treat him leniently when he rapes white children. those responses are produced by a deeply cucked post-ww2 political culture that it is delusional and extremely unproductive to blame on le jews. if your ability to repel hostile migrants is so compromised that you have to depend on the rest of the world being so stable nobody ever has motivation to migrate then you are doomed, israel or no israel. the solution is to grow some balls.

i am also not going to convince you of anything, since you are one of those people that has the jews confused with god, but "for the lurkers:" any actual project to save the white race must involve confronting the weaknesses inherent to whiteness as it currently exists and not endlessly blaming your impotence on an outgroup. the jew fixation is cope and helps nobody.

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>/tv/ thread
>it's just thirdies arguing about /pol/shit

>>219810322
No you don't understand, they were just TWO WEEKS away from having a nuke!

>>219810485
Americans:
>Overthrow the democratic forces in Iran.
>Help install the Shah who is autocratic and repressive.
>Reactionary forces build in opposition against the Shah.
>Student protests storm the embassy and literally found evidence showing US were complicit in installing the Shah and maintaining his regime.
>Repressive reactionary regime hates how Americans constantly interfere.
>Americans respond to regime by instigating the brutal war between Iraq and themselves.
>War lasts for 8 years.
>Israel and America constantly talk about overthrowing them.
>Start seeking nuclear weapons as the only way to establish actual security.

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>>219815732

That's one of the really interesting things about us, speaking as an American.

We hold grudges about shit most of us weren't alive for. Like when Iran and Lebanon come up someone mentions the Marine barracks in the 80's. When a natural disaster happens in Japan some dickhead is in the comments making a crack about how it's karma for Pearl Harbor.

But when someone in another country is mad about stuff we did in the past, it's always treated as unhinged, irrelevant, whataboutism, etc.

>>219813984
The migrant crisis happened for one reason: Merkel and PR. Germany rules the Eurozone. Germany has wanted to dominate Europe for quite some time but with the EU it does it in everything but name. Angela Merkel's advisors said to her, we can't be seen to have German border guards hitting away mirgrants or else people will bring up the parallels to the Nazis. So her whole shift was, Europe will take these people, share these people out and integrate them magically. Basically every Southern European country hated this idea because they were the ones that had to deal with them and process them, causing chaos. But everyone accepted the deal because Germany rules Europe economically. The migrant crisis wouldn't have happened if Merkel had just said, let us keep them out. It was a pure ideological position built on fears of PR with no practical idea how to process it.

>>219815857
None of this stuff exists in a vacuum, it is cause and effect.
>I beat you up constantly.
>This changes how you act and how you live your life.
>Maybe you overcompensate to feel secure because of it.
>Decade later you still bear the grudge and act hostile towards me.
>I then blame you for that hostility.
>How would you feel?
>Being blamed for the hostility they caused by their behaviour.
I am not necessarily trying to justify the hostility a person might feel but I am definitely trying to foster understanding as to why someone might feel like that. Simple cause and effect stuff.

People look at countries and wonder, why can't they be stable? Instability is pushed on them by major powers for geopolitical reasons, for resources, to gain influence and power over them. Neocolonialism is the process by which this occurs, often not directly, often by other means or obsfucated through processes/proxies.

And another key people need to understand, whether Iran, or Russia, or whoever. You can't change a regime this way, there are a lot of forces at play. Iran has a younger, more educated population. Most of these people hate their regime BUT they also dislike America and the west. They'd love to liberalise, but they don't want a model forced on them. Without intervention a lot of regimes and governments will eventually fall but it is our folly to think we can force it. If anything, people end up fostering even more extremist oppositions: the regime in Syria was bad, ISIS was worse. Right now we are just galvanising support for the regime and creating the next wave of extremists.

>>219815732
Fuck you & your tankie lies to fucking hell.

- The Shah was installed in the 40s by the Soviets & Britain because his father was too Nazi friendly.

- The Shah had the legal right to dismiss Mosaddegh since 1949 also before we got involved.

- Mosaddegh's last election was rigged (I believe they simply stopped counting the votes after the urban centers finished)

- Mosaddegh was becoming increasingly authoritarian. He pardoned the assassin of a prior prime minster & was emboldening Iran's communist party.

- The Shah again had the legal right to remove Mosaddegh, Mosaddegh factually did not have the right to remove The Shah but he tried. Us preventing the Shah from being illegally removed is not itself a coup.

> Help install the Shah who is autocratic and repressive.
Which is still immeasurably better for EVERYONE than a genocidal Soviet puppet. You can not give a country democracy immediately when the population is brainwashed into wanting to genocide landlords and kulaks. You can eventually transition into democracy once the population has been deradicalized as we saw in South Korea & Taiwan.

> Americans respond to regime by instigating the brutal war between Iraq and themselves.
This is a flat out lie. We did not give Iraq any tangible aid until AFTER Iran turned down Saddam's repeated ceasefire offers which he made AFTER Iran had already fulfilled their self defensive need to push Iraq back to the pre-war borders as early as 1982.

I believe we even gave Israeli permission to give a bunch of our surplus aid to Iran at the start of the war we were initially so indifferent to situation. We only started to worry when it was clear Iran wasn't going to stop and wanted to spread the Islamic revolution into another country.

That was so self evidently unacceptable that the Soviets & France ALSO supported Saddam.

>>219816309
>tankie
Not a tankie.
>Which is still immeasurably better for EVERYONE than a genocidal Soviet puppet.
Demolish ALL democratic forces and label them communist? That is Cold War policy 101. Firstly you downplay what happened then you also downplay the brutality that happened under the Shah. It was better for everyone? THEN WHY WAS THERE A REVOLUTION, RETARD?? Why did reactionary forces build up so much if it was better for everyone? Clearly it wasn't.
>We did not give Iraq any tangible aid until AFTER
Actual lie. Read: Spider's Web: The Secret History of How the White House Illegally Armed Iraq. You armed Iraq even before this point. And after than it was billions in aid, intelligence, weapons.

>>219810485
shalom rabbi

>>219816309
Oh and fuck your chat GPT answer. The spacing and dashes make it obvious.

>>219816495
>Demolish ALL democratic forces
Again they weren't a real democracy and his election was rigged.

> Firstly you downplay what happened then you also downplay the brutality that happened under the Shah. It was better for everyone? THEN WHY WAS THERE A REVOLUTION, RETARD?? Why did reactionary forces build up so much if it was better for everyone?

I didn't say the Shah's rule was good I said it was the far lesser evil to both what came after and what would have been done by a communist puppet state.

Again...
> The Shah killed barely around 100 political prisoners across the entire 1970s.
> The post revolution government killed 7500+ in 4 years.
> The Soviets killed 2 MILLION Afghans.

>>219816309
>is not itself a coup
Destroying democracy was.
>You can eventually transition into democracy
This never happened. And yet documents prove they were propping up the Shah who was using authoritarian measures against the people.

>We did not give Iraq any tangible aid until AFTER
>I believe we even gave Israeli permission
Holy retardation. You know how proxies work? How intelligence operations work? You just contradicted yourself
>We didn't give any aid..
>Here is how we gave aid.
The reason you give aid via proxies is so you can pretend they didn't do it. The US government had designated Iraq a sponsor of terrorism so couldn't directly provide aid until that designation was removed. You don't know how these things work, some naive shit.

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>>219816552
Fuck you, the spacing is to placate my ADD and to make it easier on my yes. I have zero fucking clue what site/app you even find chat GPT on.

>>219816707
>And yet documents prove they were propping up the Shah who was using authoritarian measures against the people.
YES THERE IS NOTHING FUCKING WRONG WITH THIS.
HUMAN BEINGS LOOSE THE RIGHT TO VOTE IF THEY WANT COMMUNISM BECAUSE COMMUNISM IS INHERENTLY A GENOCIDAL CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY AND WOULD TRANSGRESS AGAINST THEIR FELLOW CITIZENS HUMAN RIGHT NOT TO BE FUCKING MASS MURDERED.

>>219816679
>Again they weren't a real democracy and his election was rigged.
I used the term, democratic forces, because basically all political parties, not just the corrupt ones, were suppressed.

>I didn't say the Shah's rule was good I said it was the far lesser evil to both what came after and what would have been done by a communist puppet state.
What came after ONLY happened because of the Shah, it was a reactionary form of revolution. Your logic is incredibly flawed and you can't follow basic processes here.

>The Shah killed barely around 100 political prisoners across the entire 1970s.
Gross underestimate. Even Jimmy Carter was raising the issue of human rights in Iran prior to the revolution.

>>219816707
>This never happened
Because of the Revolution fucktard.
Why did we allow South Korea & Taiwan to become democracies if we were against such? They were even more strategically important than Iran.

>>219816801
And this is US policy, completely destroy the situation, help maintain brutality, be surprised when that brutality creates even harsher reactionary forces. Complain about genocide you helped engineer.

>>219816707
>You just contradicted yourself
Can you not fucking read?
The aid from Israel WAS TO IRAN NOT IRAQ because we didn't give a fuck at the start of the war but Israel at the time saw Saddam as the greater threat.

>>219816844
>Because of the Revolution fucktard.
It never even happened even before the revolution, you absolute retard. There was no attempt at it. None at all. If anything, the Shah was becoming more brutal in his attempt to hold on to power.

How are you this retarded? You act like, well they were gonna transition, with literally no evidence, when the evidence in fact showed they were becoming more repressive, creating more reactionary revolutionary spirit. Seriously, have you had a stroke?

>>219816883
Can you not read: using your allies WHO YOU SUPPLY to supply someone you want to supply is utilizing proxies. Are you so fucking naive you don't understand how intelligence operations work???

Maybe read up Iran-Contra for another example.

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>>219816495
Also your ignoring that The Shah's strength prevented regional wars.
Saddam said he only invaded in 1980 to take advantage of the post revolution chaos and purges of their military where as in the 70s while the Shah was still in power he signed the 1975 Algers agreement which notably favored Iran.

Preemptive strikes on nuclear weapons facilities has been US foreign policy for awhile, this Iran shit was really stupid and unless we do lasting dmg to them the strait toll situation is a major loss

>>219816804
>Gross underestimate.
In the 60s it was higher. The Shah was factually mellowing in his last decade.

>>219816883
>Saddam as the greater threat.
Saddam was part of a CIA backed hit squad against the Iraqi PM. The CIA paid for his training. The CIA apparently helped his party seize power. Not the first time they created the problems.

>>219816930
Huh? America helped support Iraq because it wanted to help damage post revolution Iran. This doesn't mean "Shah stopped wars" this just means, it is easy to destabilise your enemies when they overthrow an ally in exchange for a more hostile regime.

This is basic destabilisation techniques.

>>219816731
You got caught bitch, it is so fucking obvious.

>>219816914
I am aware how proxies work. I am saying this wasn't a example of such because Israel is the one who wanted to arm Iran not America. We just didn't care enough initially to forbid Israel from giving it to them.

> Iran-Contra
The aid given to Iran during that was microscopic compared to the aid given to Iraq. We tolerated Iran getting that aid because it served the purposes of helping anti-communist forces in South America which was a bigger priority to us than the Iran-Iraq war.

>>219812244
I literally do not care if Iran wants to sponsor Shiite terrorist groups in other sand-monkey countries. It's only our problem because we have a presence in the Middle East on behalf of Israel and petro companies, to a lesser extent.

>>219816989
>America helped support Iraq because it wanted to help damage post revolution Iran
No because we wanted to stop the genocidal revolution from spreading. We did not support the original Iraqi invasion only after it was clear Iran would not stop at repelling Iraq.

>>219817090
I swear to God on my dead grandfather's eternal soul I have never used Chat GPT or any other AI writing bullshit in my life. I enjoy making list so that's just how I write.
I also made this wishlist - >>219808354

>>219817107
It is amazing how you contradict yourself. A few posts ago, you act like, well we didn't support Iraq because Saddam was a bad guy we saw as a threat. And then in this post you go, well we didn't care that Israel was giving weapons to someone we saw as a threat.

So which is it? We saw Saddam as a threat so didn't provide aid? But also let Israel provide aid because we didn't care initially even though he is a threat?

>>219810485
All this fear mongering bullshit coming from a country that is only one to use nukes twice and illegally invade other countries.
The United sharts of turdmerica is the biggest war mongering savages on the planet. Spare me your tears.

>>219810485
I've been hearing "two more weeks until Iran nukes everyone" for 40 years.

>>219816938
Somebody should preemptively strike D.C. and every major U.S. city for being a threat to world peace.

>>219817166
You supported a brutal regime for resource and geopolitical reasons. They got overthrown for a brutal regime not aligned to your interests Then the US engaged in multiple actions including attempted coups and assasination attempts inside Iran.

Supporting Iraq against Iran just seemed to absolutely coincide with US political interest in keeping Iran destabilised, huh.

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Also I did the dashes because I couldn't green text those points (like I did on the linked wishlist) while also green texting your quotes, that would be a clusterfuck.

>>219817313
And Saddam had previously had CIA support, especially in anti-communist activity in Iraq.

>>219816938
Israel has possessed an illegal nuke program for decades but they're exempted from these sorts of foreign policy gambits. Maybe thats why they zapped JFK.

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>>219817364
>We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.

>>219817386
And yet Iran is the bloodthirsty state that can never be trusted with nukes.

>>219817250
Your still not fucking reading - >>219816883
I said ISRAEL are the ones who saw Saddam as the greater threat from their personal POV because he was closer to getting nukes (Israel & Iran would team up to bomb Saddam's nuclear reactor in Operation Opera)

>>219817399
Clearly.

>>219817297
Yes becsuse they keep trying and something causes them to pause or sets them back everyone such as Israel assassinating their scientist.

>>219817297
Netanyahu has been saying it for like 30 years.

>>219817313
>You supported a brutal regime for resource and geopolitical reasons
Yes this what heroes do to stop worse bad guys.
It's no different than giving aid to Stalin against Hitler.

> Supporting Iraq against Iran just seemed to absolutely coincide with US political interest in keeping Iran destabilised, huh.
What part of "Iran turned down Saddam's repeated ceasefire offers" did you not understand?
Iran was going to keep attacking & invading Iraq regardless if we gave Iraq aid.
Operation Ramadan alone killed 20,000 soldiers and Iran gained nothing of strategic value out of it.

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>>219817625
>Yes this what heroes do to stop worse bad guys.
Anon this is the point you don't seem to get. You said the Shah was bad but the alternatives were worse.

But the Shah being bad created an even worse regime. And by propping him up, this created the eventual revolution. You don't seem to understand causation. If you didn't have a brutal Shah, you would not have had a reactionary revolution force overthrow him and create an even worse regime in complete opposition to the Shah and your support of him. By propping him up and allowing it to happen, you created a worse situation, which you no also complain about.

This is NOT the same as supporting Stalin against Hitler. This is more akin to the situations in Latin America, overthrowing one democratically elected leader to put in a dictator until that dictator becomes hostile to you (e.g. Noriega). You created the situations you complained about.

You're posting propaganda about stopping the bad guys. I'm trying to tell you that the effects of tour influence create worse problems and destabilisation. You fuck places up then wonder why it is full of people who hate you.

>>219819271
>You fuck places up then wonder why it is full of people who hate you.
America will come to your country, kill millions then decades later make movies about how sad it was for their soldiers.