Jedis can do mind control.

Besides, what good does destroying a planet do? You just vaporized millions to billions of innocents and destroyed all of their resources

>Hey Vader, go fuck yourself.

>>219822688
>starbursts on his shirt and a vape in the pocket
the empire was way too lax on workplace attire

>>219822812
The modern military believes pockets are purely decorative. Even that pen sticking out would have gotten his ass chewed

>>219822688
...and like a year later a force user causes the collapse of an, until then, rather stable intergalactic empire
Curious, isn't it?

>>219822898
>kill one person
>their entire empire collapses faster than the speed of communication

>>219822721
>a planet rebels
>commence a planetary invasion
>one time something goes wrong and your forces get bogged down
>have to pour in millions of troops, armor and credits for years
>other planets see that the empire can be beaten or at least brought to a stalemate
>they increase rebel activity or outright rebel openly stretching your forces thin
vs
>a planet rebels
>you destroy it with a press of a button
>other planets lynch anyone who even remotely looks like a rebel out of fear of getting vaporized

>>219823138
Was the Empire, and all its supporters, inherently genocidal maniacs willing to destroy an entire planet and all its inhabitants? If anything, they'd lynch the people who pressed the button

The prequels just kinda made the jedi weak as shit. All of them got fooled and beaten by a human army. Meanwhile Luke nuked their the Empire's ultimate fortress after being a jedi for like 1 day. Luke represents genuine divine heroism, whereas the prequel jedi exist to serve of the cynical point of "what if jedi are dumb".

>>219823192
You're thinking in very modern terms here. Guess what Genghis Khan or the romans did when they conquered territory?

>>219823358
They didn't have a planet-destroying space station

>>219823371
No but they had city destroying armies, ask the judeans or the baghdadis

>>219823406
>ask the judeans or the baghdadis
They're still around, so I will.

>>219823442
Much like the Alderaan debris field is still around, yes

>>219823495
I can't talk to rubble, but I can read the history of survivors and talk to their descendants. Something that wouldn't be possible if the entire planet were vaporized in an instant with the press of a button

>>219823358
Uh, make them vassal states so they can be taxed and leveraged for trading? The Romans and Mongols definitely did not genocide every location they owned.

>>219823538
I'm sure some alderaanis were in orbit / away when they got vaporised

>>219823544
No but they didn't shy away when it came to it

>>219823192
emperor was, and he was willing to condition his subjects to the point they'd do that out of fear. iirc canonically in rogue one the rebels were about to disband after they found out about the death star

>>219822688
Motti was an idiot. Vader is explaining that what happens in the galaxy, happens because the Force wills it. The Death Star was a philosophical failure on Tarkin's part, assuming that fear would lead to suppression rather than what actually happened, rebellion with nothing to lose.
>>219823192
Tarkin made the choice without asking anyone, he's the main psycho
>>219823253
No. Luke trained for far more than a single day and the destruction of the First Death Star was carried by others alongside him, as he would have gone down without the help of Rogue Squadron and the Falcon.
Furthermore, Luke and Anakin are canonically the most powerful force users next to Sidious and maybe Yoda, all other Jedi are inferior
>got fooled and beaten by a human army
Because Palpatine's machinations exploiting their complacent nature after a thousand years of no wars, their reliance on the clones to beat the war and also their sheer numbers. Should be noted Luke only had to deal with at best 20 fighters in the Death Star with help, Order 66 involved thousands of troopers PER Jedi.

>>219823605
>>219823630
I still don't believe that blowing up an entire planet would've been nothing more than a net loss for whoever pressed the button. Consider the modern-day with nukes

>>219823655
>Tarkin made the choice without asking anyone, he's the main psycho
This seems like a huge design flaw, and I would like to know what Palpatine privately thought about it after-the-fact (not to save face because spilt milk)

>>219823744
Sheev was good pals with Tarkin, he would defend him and shit on people like Tagge, Vader or Thrawn for disagreeing with him
That's the issue with the Empire, it's nepotistic in nature

>>219823771
So just rise up against the main baddies, lynch them, and shit on their graves?

>>219823786
I don't know what you mean

>>219823771
I would say that's not exclusive to the empire.. just look at a certain current day administration

wasnt until Palpatine in the sequels where the force did anything impressive, beyond that its claim of power was the equivalent to faith in god to move mountains type shit, the sequels were trash but as a nerd I actually welcomed Palpatine being a sith demigod in 9, probably the coolest thing they did

>>219823813
I do not believe in video-game logic where if the boss dies, everything under them just surrenders. There is no way that most of the Empire would agree that some lackey should have the ability to destroy an entire planet and its inhabitants because they got butthurt in a few battles

>>219823138
nice to see thoughtful minded persons post here from time to time

>>219823821
If Trump used a nuke, I would give my life to put a bullet in his brain. And I'm sure I'm not alone

>>219822688
>Palpatine manipulated the Republic and made the Empire just via force shenanigans

>>219823844
"some lackey" puts Tarkin really mildly, he is a top tier elite in Eriadu which is one of the big Core Worlds and has political influence all across the Empire plus being Grand Moff of a whole region of the galaxy
Plus he has his fair share of sycophants who'll follow him to rise through the ranks

>>219823949
If you're not the Boss, you're his servant. Lackey is a compliment

>>219823949
If Tarkin is so powerful, why does he lick the balls of some decrepit space wizard who can't figure out a cell phone

>>219823894
he achieved everything through politics, he only used the force to cloud the jedi minds, but they're so retarded in the movies I'm sure they'd be none the wiser even without the force

>>219824293
>they're so retarded in the movies
Canon.

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I wish the other films had a Tarkin type figure in the background. He really makes the first film have a war film like atmosphere, especially with how much of the death star is subconsciously black and white like it's directly linked to the 1940s. He isn't comically evil, but cold and calculated. He went down with the ship, it's so old school cool.

>>219822688
>Use force to create being from a virgin birth
>Manipulate force to put him into a war
>Use war to mold him into a combat god
>Use force to send him nightmares that lead him to fear
>Use force to convince him you can end his fear
>Manipulate him to murder every single one of your powerful enemies
>Make him bow to you and become your slave
>Conquer the entire galaxy effortlessly

Yeah, you could make the argument that a Death Star could just blow up every planet, but then you'd have much fewer people to rule and serve you as slaves. The way the Emperor did it with his domination of the living force was longer, but gave him much more power and resources.

>>219823844
never heard of a dictatorship? the empire citizens were negligible and the high up nobles/aristocrats were paid well

>>219824293
He used the force to foresee events all the time though and to help him in politics and everything else.

>>219824522
>like it's directly linked to the 1940s
Yes, the Nazis were all evil for no reason other than Jews are bad for no reason. Black and white. Kill all who oppose Jews

>>219823544
Not fair bros, how come we don’t get to do no genociding :(

>>219824551
>never heard of a dictatorship?
When Hitler died, the Nazis surrendered.

>>219822812
Those are clearly now-and-laters

>>219824564
Imagine being such a pleb that you don't know the ending of Star Wars is based on black and white war films like The Dam Busters. Even in the 90s I knew that.

>>219824654
Heil Israel

>>219822734
>YOU GONNA LET HIM GET AWAY WITH THAT? WHAT'S THE EMPIRE COMIN TO?

>>219824522
yeah Tarkin is really cool, a great character from a Star Wars that was gone when the first movie ended

>>219822688
>now get in your fucking podracer

>>219824584
that was because of much more than hitlers death

>>219824970
Hitler's death was the final, ultimate straw.
With Hitler's death, died hope

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>>219825067
>implying there was any hope to be had

>>219825129
If Germany didn't align with the Japs, America wouldn't have joined the European front

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>>219822688
>Then Lord Vader made this like choking motion with his hand and Lieutenant Johnson started gagging and turning blue, then he shit his pants right in front of Tarkin and the entire imperial staff. It was comedy gold....

>>219825129
I would've carried this

>>219822734
>>Hey Vader, go fuck yourself.
>*Pulls fire alarm and runs*
>"Schooool's out for summer!"

>>219826500
>"Schooool's out for summer!"
>I DON'T WANT TO BE ANOTHER BRICK IN THE WALL

>>219822898
>...and like a year later a force user causes the collapse of an, until then, rather stable intergalactic empire
Because the leader of said empire just HAD to convert some kid to his schizo religion. If he just ignored the force shit and nuked Luke and his friends from orbit he would have won.

>>219826588
Vader would've killed him, or died trying

>>219826588
>a force user who used the force to gain everything they got would just ignore the force
ok