>>219824408
The universe is indifferent and the mythologies you cling to are merely a cope in light of that fact.

>>219824408
Because God didn't make Mozart a great composer. His father, who forced him to study since the age of 2, did.

>>219824408
He also wrote music about licking arsch.
https://youtu.be/-VsieYM4NZE?is=KhGsw13LkCTjuxi6

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>>219824408
god only rewards the pure and holy, and sally wished his dad would die so theres that

>>219824602
I don't understand how those children aren't laughing. I guess they don't speak german in Spain. But surely they must know what the song is about.

>>219824408
Is there any historical merit to this or is the guy just "that" character that exists to get btfo'd by the main character for no reason?

>>219824710
poor nigga got to meet beethoven and mozart in his lifetime (RIP)

>>219824408
If Hipsters were around back then, he'd have gotten a decent cult following

>>219824710
I don't know what you mean. Salieri is the main character.

>>219824926
disgusting airy-olas; too big

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>>219824946
too many areolae

>>219824408
1. You can't substitute talent / skill with "divine dedication"
2. Meaningful art comes from personal experience which he was denying himself in his naive bargain
God was trying to show him the errors by putting a person that embodies the antithesis of his faulty logic, as a hint for him to change.
But Salieri (in the movie atleast) took it the wrong way. It was also an indirect critique of Christianity / religion in a way.

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>>219824946
I LOVE THOSE PEPPERONI NIPS FOR YOUR INFORMATION

>>219824978
kek

>>219824710
He was real, but the rivalry between them was mostly exaggerated for the sake of the story. Iicr, they were in good terms and they were both respectful to each other. I think they even wrote something together, but I can't remember well.

>>219824408
When the FUCK is the spammer going to get dealt with?
The shit he spams daily:
-"m*torcycle cl*b aka MC content"
-screenshots of simpsons/family guy with his trigger phrases mspainted in
-jigs*w/saw movies (JigC)
<Note, hes obsessed with the "MC" threads and saw movieis, hence calling him JigC, along with AI images of jigs*w on a motorcycle)
-Obsession with hiding his filenames with a similar schema above (HomeR, ChapE, like "JigC")
-"baskin r*berts", a corruption of the ice-cream chain name. (constantly uses "erts" as a prefix)
-obsession with "tr*st f*nd b*nd", and calling people "fundies" (?)
-telling people to "cram"
-calling people "poofter"
-spamming yolandi/die antwoord/chappie

its gotten really fucking tiresome watching him post dozens of threads every day

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>>219824926
woah, boobies!

>>219824408
>Can't accept the fact that someone is just better than him at making music
>It must be God...mocking me!
What a sore loser

>>219824430
>>219824513
Find God

>>219824408
Because God doesn't exist.

>>219825683
If he wanted me to find him, he'd make it happen

>>219825683
Find (and submit) to the jewish canaanite cacodaemon yahveh

>>219825721
but /pol/ and /tv/ told me that God is real (see I even capitalized the word God so can can tell that I'm the real deal, just like with the word White)

they also told me whenever someone says that God isn't real that they're a cringe redditor atheist. so I guess.... that makes you a cringe redditor atheists! Praise to God! Christ is King! MAGA! Support Israel!

>>219825804
shalom

I just had a conversation with someone about how humans don't know the first thing about how our minds work, but yet there must be more intelligent things listening in and laughing at our hapless conversation. This is where our conversation became dissociated. You assume that there MUST be more intelligent things, listening in, and laughing at our retarded conversations. But the much more likely possibility is that there are none. Or at least, if there are, they are SO FAR SUPERIOR, that they don't even care about our ant-world interactions. The world is tessellated in this way, unto infinity.

>>219824408
>We have sid james at home

>>219824732
This is revisionism. Beethoven and Mozart were not celebrated any more than their contemporaries. That happened decades after their deaths when the press decided there were only 3 composers in the classical period and all the others need to be forgotten.

>>219825804
>i believe things i read online
that is a personal problem

>>219824408
He represents 99% of humanity. We hate his pettiness but understand it. For us the struggle is what remains.

>>219824408
iirc it's a myth and that guy was actually well received at the time

>>219824408
For teh lols

>>219826316
DO YOU WANT TO BE A TRAINED MONKEY
the picture is a picture of envy

>>219826317
Not well-received enough to still be remembered today, or for everything new/relatively good being compared to and called "the best thing since Mozart".

Mozart was an idiot savant. A retard, in a good way. At least for his music ability. Music is not a sport. No sane individual could have ever matched him in the level of creativity. He was one of a kind. The same way that Einstein was. A genetic mutation that made their brains above-average, never to be copied again.

>>219824408
His real talent was in sweets and confectionery but he was too daft to realize it

>>219824408
This is not the dude you want to promote your faith. You want to make him super handsome and get the underpanties moist. God has it all planned out don't worry.

>>219824408
Mozart and Salieri were both tethered to the blandest, most boring era of classical music (the actual Classical era, as opposed to Baroque or Romantic). Salieri was great in his time, but the capital C Classical style was engineered from the ground up to be inoffensive normie slop, and once the public moved on most of the famous composers of that era faded into obscurity. Classical lacks the obsessive autism of the Baroque and the raw, emotional expression of the Romantic, it just kind of… is.

Mozart endured despite the limitations of the era in which he was working because he also happened to be (one of) the (top 3) best melodicist(s) of all time. Beethoven started in the Classical era but more or less invented Romanticism in music, which is what he is more known for. Aside from Salieri, the only other Classical composers that casuals may know about are Haydn and Clementi, whose music is more known as the boring beginner intermediate repertoire you’re forced to learn until your teacher lets you move on to the good stuff than something you’d actually seriously listen to.

>>219824408
>Why didn't God endow him with the talent to make beautiful music in His Glory and instead gave that talent to a drunken degenerate who wrote music about farts?

To test his pride and see if he was humble. The Bible makes it clear that God loves humility and people who aren't prideful.

- Mozart had massive talent but no discipline or focus.

- Salieri had discipline, focus, and political connections.

If they had worked together, then they probably would have composed many masterpieces together and spread it across the world. But Salieri was too prideful and angry that Mozart was better than him at composing music. So he would rather Mozart die. Only when Mozart was on his deathbed did Salieri realize his mistake.

It was a test from God. And Salieri failed miserably.

>>219826778
Salieri died only 2 years before Beethoven did. Clown. Also the Romantic music didn't just magically happen. Beethoven simply started to make different kind of music and other people followed. Nothing stopped Mozart and Salieri from doing the same

>>219826778
I dare say, the only decent era of music, was classical music. How many times can you listen to Rihanna's Most Important Girl In The World? Will they be listening to that in the year 3000? Absolutely not.

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>>219824408
It's a lesson of humility and personal character. The whole movie is. Do none of you watch the movies you make posts about? Salieri is tortures because although he was handed so many gifts (court composer, respect, critical and audience popularity), he is tortured that a man he sees as "unworthy" opposed to him (Amadeus, this childish fool who creates magnificent, elevated music) has greater talent than he could ever imagine. Meanwhile, Amadeus is portrayed as immature, silly, weird, off-putting, and though brilliant has no tact, which never helps him. And he is not appreciated in his time, which brings him great frustration. And he has a ridiculous domestic situation he finds distracting at best and still subject to material poverty. And a deeply flawed man. Salieri sees him as foolishly given divinity; Mozart sees only frustration.

>>219826856
If god hates his creations so much to torture them so, why did he even bother bringing them to life?

Amadeus is a 10/10 movie. Watch it zoomers.

>>219827088
>If god hates his creations so much to torture them so, why did he even bother bringing them to life?
Tsk Tsk. Where did the post say God hates his creations? Where?

>>219827124
It's implied. The effects upon his creations are the reflection of pure hatred, if not designed.

>>219826960
>Beethoven simply started to make different kind of music and other people followed
This doesn’t contradict what I said about him at all. Every composer for the next 80 years wasn’t beating off to him incessantly because they were really big fans of symphony 1 and 2. When is the last time that your city’s symphony even played either of those?
>Nothing stopped Mozart and Salieri from doing the same
Assuming this is true (it isn’t), that is why nobody would even remember who Salieri was today if not because of the urban legend that inspired Amadeus.

>>219826974
I’m sorry, I thought I did a good job explaining the difference between the broad category of western art music that we call “classical”, and the actual Classical era of western art music spanning the mid to late 18th century

>>219824430
Reddit. Go back to.

>>219824710
He was the second most famous composer at the time and Mozart before he died kept alleging someone was poisoning him because his health was failing due to his alcoholism. The illiterate medically unaware people at the time started a rumor that he did it out of jealousy just because they were the most famous of their time, Pushkin wrote a play about it a few decades later, and then as people stopped giving a shit about Salieri's music entirely he became known as just "the guy from the Pushkin play that killed Mozart".

The guy who wrote Amadeus 150 years later did it because he read the Pushkin play and wanted to flesh it out more.

>>219827112

1. You can't measure pride if the person's pride isn't tested.

You can't build a bridge without testing if it will hold weight.


2. The key difference is intent. Mozart didn't do it maliciously. That's just his personality. He does it to everyone. Mozart was hyper outgoing, a party animal, and had a bit of an abrasive personality. Mozart did realize later that he should adjust his attitude to others including Salieri.

God can read a person's heart. He recognizes whether actions are done maliciously or whether it was an innocent mistake.


>>219827170
>It's implied.
Nah. Not implied. And God doesn't hate his creations. He's disappointed in them when they use his gifts (like free will) to choose to do evil.

For example, let's pretend you are a father. You have a Son. You teach that son everything you know, and teach them to do good. But somehow your son grows up to be a wifebeater, and beats up his innocent wife and daughter when he's drunk.

You would feel immense disappointment in your son. You gave him everything, taught him well, and he still chose to do evil things.

>>219824408
bad breeding

salieri should try to marry into mozart's family to have a proper heir that surpasses them both, the talent and the discipline

>>219824513
Oh please. You only get to that level with copious amounts of God given ability.

>>219827486
Does that work? As far as classical composers go, the only composer couples I can think of are the Schumanns and Richard Wagner + Liszt’s daughter Cosima. Did either of those unions produce a decent heir?

>>219825748
>If he wanted me to find him, he'd make it happen

Let me tell you a story.

A man’s house starts flooding during a storm. As the water rises, a neighbor comes by in a truck and offers to take him to safety. The man refuses, saying, “God will save me.”

Later, the water gets higher and a boat comes. The rescuers urge him to get in. He refuses again: “God will save me.”

Finally, with the house nearly submerged, a helicopter arrives. They lower a rope and tell him to climb up. He waves them off—“God will save me.”

The man drowns.

In the afterlife, he asks God why He didn’t save him.
God replies, “I sent you a truck, a boat, and a helicopter—what more were you waiting for?”


This is you.

>>219827635
I stopped reading at the third line. You need to up your conversion game, no wonder your religion is disappearing

>>219827620
nope
https://interlude.hk/what-happened-to-richard-wagners-children/

but it needs to be tried again, IQ and skills are highly heritable

>>219827790
>but it needs to be tried again, IQ and skills are highly heritable
That's never how it works. They might produce someone good at it but true greatness is random. Mozart could have had 10 brothers who put in the same effort as him and they wouldn't have been as good.

>>219827790
That was a depressing read.

>>219827679
Don't lie anon. You read all of it. You can't fool us.

>>219824513
If you aren't talented, then no amount of hard work would allow you to reach that level of skill. At best, Mozart would have above average talent. Not some super genius like he was in real life. .

>Play Free Bird

>>219824408
Amadeus is not a documentary.

>>219824408
The movie is ultra fictional. While it is obvious Mozart was terrific, he spent his life struggling to keep patronage. Partially because of his habit to release works that ignored public trends and current events.

>>219825683
>>219824408
John 2:15. It explicitly states: "Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him".

He shouldn’t have cared. It was a test and he failed.

>>219824430
Trvke, and no amount of christcuck LARPing and malding can un-trvke it.

>>219824408
Why didn't Amadeus talk about the Jews that helped ruin Mozart's life?