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Miyamoto did nothing wrong.

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Hi, guys. Umaru here, I'm covering for Peter Griffin today, but the joke OP is making is related to Star Fox's history. Star Fox up to this point, the original on the SNES and SF64, were both rail shooters. Adventure marked the first time this formula was changed, hence the term "off the rails". It's a double-meaning because it's also where fans think Star Fox lost the plot.

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Star Fox 2 is such a gem. They really said "Rails are cool, but let's do actual open 3D levels on SNES".

After seeing the DP prototype, I can't cut this game any more slack, they would have definitely got it out by 2001, even if it meant scaling back some stuff. Rare knew what they doing with the N64, more than Nintendo did.

More money was spent changing the game than what would have been lost leaving it as is at the nadir of the N64.

Assault was alright

>>737072000
It's his best design/model though

>>737075465
>After seeing the DP prototype, I can't cut this game any more slack
After playing the DP prototype we've had in circulation for years, I'm more convinced than ever that turning it into SFA was a good thing. It basically was the same shit in terms of puzzles and locations, but it would have run like ass just like Jet Force Gemini on the original hardware. And Microsoft would be owning it to this day, likely not doing shit with the IP.

>>737072000
>Only get to play as Krystal for like 20 minutes before she's gone for the whole game
I unironically dropped it the moment I realized I was just spending the entire game playing as Fox.

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>>737074820
>Krystal got sidelined in her own game
>Rosalina got sidelined in her own movie
Why does this keep happening?

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Heh I got it

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>>737074820
NTR godess..

>>737076784
>And Microsoft would be owning it to this day, likely not doing shit with the IP

So like what Nintendo is doing with it now.

>>737072000
I mean... they literally went off the rail shooter rails so yeah I guess they did

>>737077554
Sindoll

>>737078214
No they put fox in a shitty movie

Memes and Krystal aside, what does SF Adventure actually add to SF as a franchise or universe? If anything it feels like it sticks out all the more and not in a good way.

>>737075119
This is some real voodoo magic to make this shit possible. Nintendo is retarded for not buying Argonaut Games and letting them make more first party titles

>>737078383
I was more referring to the fact that Nintendo has not majorly used any of the Dinosaur Planet elements they retained from Rare post-Command from 20 years ago, Smash Bros. being the sole exception.

>>737072000
I liked it.

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>>737076784
>It basically was the same shit in terms of puzzles and locations
It wasn't.
>Krystal reduced to the prologue instead of half the game alongside Sabre, pic related is more or less all her parts cut out along with some of Sabre's
>Kyte was reduced to a small cameo and you wouldn't even know it was her, she got fucked over the hardest because her mother and siblings survived, the irony given her mother was killed in the original story
>Sabre cut completely, Randorn cut completely
>General Scales didn't get his intended fight due to the retool, then lost a second chance at a fight due to the buyout (Yes I know he was a pawn but you still would have fought him)
>Drakor, the main villain, was made into Scales' and Andross' lackey, no lines or dialogue, his entire backstory with the Kamerian Heart and Krazoa war scrubbed
>Krazoa were the real villains in the story, Quan Ata Lachu plot and actual Krazoa Palace was cut
>75% of Cape Claw was cut, Krystal's areas were cut, The SwapStone's brother was cut, actual spells were cut, etc.
>All the stuff that was unexplained in SFA (one example being the Sharpclaw having all that tech despite being tribal like the other groups was Drakor supplying them with it to take over the planet) or felt off was fully addressed or more coherent in DP

>And Microsoft would be owning it to this day, likely not doing shit with the IP.
Nintendo ain't doing anything with the DP elements at all, even Krystal got phased out. Star Fox's last 'game' was a cameo in Starlink. Dinosaur Planet could have been on the NSO if nothing else or even on XBLA.
>have run like ass just like Jet Force Gemini on the original hardware
Conker disproves this. They were using the expansion pak for the game.

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>>737077393
I keep telling you all, "He is the golden child". He's the one he cares about the most, it's the only one of his heroes who actually laid the girl.
>>737078413
It adds more than anything which is how the problem started. It set the precedent for an actual fucking story Nintendo had to (and failed to) maintain.
>If anything it feels like it sticks out all the more and not in a good way.
Which is why everyone hates it. Or likes it. There is no "middle ground" with this clusterfuck. It's like he put up a dead end sign in the middle of the track purely because Rareware was driving it and he wanted them to go off the rails with it.

>>737078495
They were barely used in their own game. General Scales, despite being the main villain doesn't even get a proper boss fight

>>737078842
They ran out of time when they had made the changes, and they scrapped the initial fight when they had to make the move to the GC and change the IP to Star Fox. Two times Scales got fucked over.

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>>737078842
Down to brass tacks, the only reason he wanted it changed to a starfox game was because he wanted his golden child to have an arranged marriage with the main character of DP. Not only was his only input to keep her when they wanted to can her, they put her in the very beginning of the game before Fox is even introduced because they know that's the only reason for the game in the first place.

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The funny and sad thing is that reading interviews over the years have kinda low key revealed that Takaya Imamura is the primary reason the Star Fox storyline went to shit after SF64.

>the eight year timeskip between sf64 and adventures was his call, dude apparently thought about making it TWENTY YEARS when sf64 first came out
>krystal even being in the gcn games at all (rare was initially just going to cut her entirely from dp) and also sexualizing the shit out of her was his (and i guess shiggy's call), also retiring peppy from the field which pissed fans off
>literally the entirety of star fox command's batshine insane storylines and endings are all entirely on his hands

Like yeah there were other people involved with how that continuity turned out like Rare and Namco but the broad strokes of things like the characters actually aging and being swapped in favour of new weirdos like Krystal and Panther, as well as again the entirety of Command's story all come from him. It's why I actually find it unfair when people say that Adventures "derailed" the series because if you actually read these old interviews, you can tell that this was the direction the series' storyline was always gonna go down in, it's just that it made Krystal/Dinosaur Planet a convenient scapegoat for it all.

>>737079170
Even in the game, Fox's actions basically nail it down. He does not give a single fuck about this stupid planet. He does not want to be there, he is pissed he can't use proper weapons and the only reason he progresses is because of her staff. Then he finally meets her and suddenly everyone starts caring about playing the game again, especially fox.

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>>737079241
Another example while we're at it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starfox/comments/18rek3h/just_throwing_out_a_translation_of_this_old/

> N.O.M: Were there any changes in characters or other aspects from the 64 version?

>Imamura: I suppose it would be that Fox and the team have aged. This time around the story is set 8 years in the future. Characters like Mario and Bowser never age, but I feel that Fox needs to change in various ways over time. Maybe 10 years from now, we'll have the same face we've always known, but the character is actually Fox's son.

It's kinda funny that people are surprised Command's story ended like this reading this.

>>737079097
I don't even understand that. Wasn't Andross fucking dead in Star Fox 64? Not every game needs its own Bowser, especially not Star Fox a game that took itself relatively seriously. It would've only helped if Fox had a rogues gallery

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>>737079426
Unfortunately anon it's obvious that Miyamoto and Imamura believe Andross to be Fox's Bowser, the latter said as such in this old interview.

Even Command despite technically introducing a new villain with the Anglars, heavily ties its lore back to Venom and Andross.

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>>737079463
>Tells IGN he "wished they would make it into a starfox game" 2 weeks after they intercepted them before E3 and arranged to make it just that
>commissions Assault before Adventures fulfils a preorder

>>737079463
The sad truth is that Nintendo didn't even force Rare to do it, Miyamoto just gave the Stampers an offer and they accepted because they figured that Dinosaur Planet was screwed as its own original late stage N64 IP and that it could have used both the Star Fox AND GCN boost to make it sell better, Lee Schuneman confirmed that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO7ocvmoDBc

For what it's worth, I have no doubt that DP and Krystal would have ironically faded into obscurity far faster under Microsoft than they did underneath Nintendo, but I do think it would have ultimately been more respected in the long run as an odd ball N64 cult classic.

>>737079306
Look at the save icon for the game in the Gamecube menu, he's shaking his head. Fox was a stand-in for how Rare felt about the entire ordeal.

>>737079721
Oh, interesting. It must just be an online narrative that it was imposed.

>>737079426
Again, nothing made sense in the context of SFA. But in DP, it was all there. The Krazoa were using Krystal/Sabre to revive them so they could fuck the universe up, while Drakor was reviving the Kamerian Heart to destroy the planet so they couldn't be revived. They could have just kept the original story, but Fox took Sabre's place and that would have probably been much better. Drakor becomes a recurring antagonist, Scales gets his fight, Star Fox now has a new element to work with with Andross' remaining forces or whatever they were doing after Adventures and Drakor potentially going to his home planet to regroup and go after Star Fox and his crew.

Even Scales could have been a lesser faction trying to get even with Drakor and possibly teaming up with Fox and Krystal when the opportunity called for it.

>>737077554
You can say whatever you want about Krystal, but her portrayal in command is peak woman.

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>>737072000
off the rails

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At least something good came out of Adventures.

>>737072000
Still better than Assault

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>>737079721
Interesting to see how they were planning to incorporate Dinosaur Planet into the greater Star Fox lore. As it exists, the game feels pretty far removed from everything else, even the Sauria stage in Assault feels like a weird detour.

>>737074820
Stupid sexy vixen

>>737072000
The new rumored Star Fox could be a flaming turd and it would still be more interesting than the garbage Nintendo has put out so far in 2026.

>>737072000
I liked it, those floating jellyfish at the start freaked me out though I thought they were game viruses.

I’m trying to ask this as non-confrontationally as possible, but do you fags even like star fox? We’ve had threads every day since the Galaxy movie, and it’s mostly just people saying how pretty much every game didn’t live up to expectations.

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>>737079363
Marcus's game is still on the table

>>737086017
I love Starfox. Starfox 64 was one of my first games and I played it religiously as a kid. I play through it a few times each year improving my score.

>>737072000
This game gets a pass for being a reskin. Assault was ok, command is where shit really hit the fan.

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>>737086017
I like every Star Fox game, even Command.

>>737086017
i do, i love the star fox 64, adventure and assault, the wii u one is trash trough

>>737086017
Star Fox 64 was just that good. Just a shame that Star Fox was really more just a great game than a great series in practice.

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make way for KATT

>>737086482
>the wii u one is trash trough
It's not, you just got filtered by the controller.

>>737072000
It was peak so whatever.

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>>737075465
It had a worse framerate than Hailfire Peaks in Banjo Tooie.

>>737083098
>Nintendo almost turned Star Fox into The Phantom Menace

>>737072000
That box art is such bullshit. You only get to play as fox

Star Fox Adventures really highlights how completely sauceless Nintendo's games.

DP had dialogue like:
>I can taste your fear, animal. It is very sweet.
>You didn't tell him what happened in the temple. Go on. Tell him. Tell him how you destroyed his God.
They replaced Drakor and Randorn and the Quan Ata Lachu and the Majestic 8 and all that stuff with dime store Nintendo bullshit.

>>737086017
>it’s mostly just people saying how pretty much every game didn’t live up to expectations.
I think it is because 64 set the bar incredibly high from how amazing it is. It basically perfected the franchise too early with little room for growth.

>>737086017
SF64 has the kind of game design that is genuinely perfect. Instead of length, it has depth, which is what offers it so much replayability. You can play SF64 25 different times and have unique experiences with it, and playing "only" 7 missions each run means there's no burn-out. Compare that to most modern games that offer only superficial binary choices and have a 40-80 hour campaign; that's nothing but burn-out and begging to be experienced through YouTube.

I will admit that Adventures, Assault, and Command are "bad" for very distinct and different reasons, but none of them are offensive to me. I had the most fun with Assault which also had a short campaign and great multiplayer, but the story didn't have different routes like SF64 which was a huge let-down. Command had different routes, but the story itself was bizarre and the gameplay, if we can even call it that, was appalling. Adventures had the issue of being too long and having no replayability whatsoever, but the gameplay, when it wasn't gimmicky ("I HATE THE TEST OF STRENGTH, I HATE THE TEST OF STRENGTH") was adequate for what can be derisively called an Ocarina of Time clone.

All in all, the appeal of Star Fox has been, for me, the characters and their radio chatter and banter, the tight gameplay, the realized space settings, and blowing things up. I can't speak for everyone, but if we were given a game like Assault that had dozens of mission routes, I would be a happy camper.

>>737078723
Oh what could have been

Star Fox 64 is what Nintendo was afraid Super Metroid was, a genuine masterpiece of a game that they could never top if they tried, so why bother

Except they have tried to top it, only to fall on its face every single time.

Miyamato was really fucking lucky Metroid Prime turned out to be a masterpiece, because the same train of logic that led to SFA led to MP.

This game made me a furry

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>>737089995
You're welcome.

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>>737088003
It always reminds me of this promotional Ocarina of Time poster.

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>>737089995
Many are saying this

>>737089995
Weird how it happens to some people. Krystal's massive bobblehead turned me off.

>>737079241
>>737079363
if you look at the ending arts to command and the pictures he draws almost every day on twitter you can tell he drew them all himself

this the point when the series became more about furries than space ships

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>>737090262
It was her loincloth and accent that got me.

>>737072000
I will always hate Adventures because it destroyed the momentum of the Star Fox series forever. Five whole years since Star Fox 64, a unanimous classic, and we get a Rareware Zeldalike rebranded into a Star Fox game. The only way they could've turned it back around was if Assault was awesome but instead it was merely decent, except for the multiplayer but who was playing multiplayer GameCube in 2005 outside of the occasional Melee or Mario Kart?

>>737090964
>who was playing multiplayer GameCube in 2005 outside of the occassional Melee or Mario Kart?
Poorfags.
>t. poorfag

>>737091067
I got my friends to play it with me a few times in the 2010s. It made me wish the game got a "New Play Control" release like Jungle Beat or Pikmin, so they could've had online multiplayer on the Wii.

>>737072000
Actually 64 had all range mode.

>>737091128
We played so much multiplayer we unlocked everything for it. I just did a Google search and found out that means we played 260+ matches of Assault MP. I'm simultaneously proud and embarrassed. I also remember unlocking the demon rifle because I was getting pissy that one of my friends always picked Wolf for his higher health and could tank regular sniper rifle headshots with him.

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>>737072000
I get the joke. I'm not laughing, but I get it.

>>737075005
HAHAHAHAHA!

>>737072000
Good one

>>737090435
This game had amazing graphics for its time.

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>>737092453
Rare had some tech wizards on the team.

>>737075119
People try to say shit like Metroid can't be open world, and open world Starfox would suck too, and then games like Starfox freaking 2 on the SNES pull it off. The second game!

>>737092453
Stop praising Adventures, it's ASS. You should already know Rare were godkings from DK Country, know when that game came out, and look at those graphics.

>>737075119
What the hell even went wrong?

>>737093206
The game was set to come out after the Playstation and Nintendo didn't think it would be able to compete.

>>737081229
I wish there were a sequel to this, I love Fox being a Saurian sex slave.

>Krystal is the only fox on the entire planet
>All but states her true homeworld got fucking axed by Andross leaving her a war orphan
>Has never met another one her own kind since her parents
>Is never touched upon other than being a love interest for Fox
This entire franchise is nothing but wasted potential, I swear

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>Can i see your legs?

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>>737093893
>

>>737093726
Krystal fucks human men

>>737092609
SNIIIIIFFFF

>>737088201
Did it, though? Star Fox 64 is such an incredibly dull and antiquated game compared to Rogue Squadron. This is the elephant in the room about Star Fox. It's just not a very good series.

>>737088201
Why did that happen with Star Fox but not with Zelda or Mario?

>>737093147
That's the only praise I even for have Adventures and Dinosaur Planet.

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>>737072000

I'm trying assault and decided to do gold/hard mode because I thought "its a gamecube game for kids. surely its not that hard"
How wrong I was.
>enemies lobbing bombs that do a 3rd of your health from halfway across the map with pin point accuracy.
>enemies are so aggressive that setting up shots on foot is basically impossible if there are any enemies nearby.
>if you don't dodge everything when in the arwing you will die in seconds.
I just got to the boss fight against general pepper and I'm really feeling like starting on gold mode was a mistake but I would have to restart the whole game if I want to bump the difficulty down.

>>737089995
I remember seeing an old image saying "everyones furry for krystal"
it really wasnt wrong desu

>>737096402
So imagine George Lucas if instead of getting more and more directive control over star wars as time passed, he gave it away and had less control/input on it with each new saga. And instead of expressing/ defending your poor decisions on it, you just said nothing and pretend it didn't happen. That is Miyamoto and starfox basically, like a weird blend of George Lucas/Disney when it comes to directing games.

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Why does Star Fox have so much wasted potential?

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>>737089995
I can understand it getting you into furshit (not all furshit is created equal), but becoming a furry outright is a bit extreme, even for a goddess like Krystal.

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>>737098526
Because whenever he sees another game that screams wasted potential he immediately thinks to ship him into it. It's actually scary how similar it is to what furfags do.

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>>737098601
all it takes is the correct anthro to make any straight man a furry

>>737098526
Miyamoto ruins the games while the gay faggots that grift off the series ruin everything else. One only cares about redoing the same game over and over again and never letting the series grow, while the other forces their fringe ideology on everyone else because they're obsessed with seeing Fox and Wolf have anal sex that leads to worms, prolapse, and eventually diapers.

>>737093206
>What the hell even went wrong?

>>737093474

Nintendo actually planned multiple SuperFX2 (or squared, as it was called) games to be released in 1995. Star Fox 2 was one of them. FX Fighter and Comanche were the other two. But they were all cancelled at the same time. Mostly because of the changing landscape of the home console market in 1995 with the launch of the Sega 32x, Sega Saturn, and Sony Playstation. At the time, Nintendo didn't think that the clunky looking polygon SNES games could compete or sell well. Star Fox 2 was cancelled in favor of Star Fox 64, which didn't show up until early 1997. I also suspect that the FX chips that were planned for these three cancelled games were used in Doom and Yoshi's island. Both used the SuperFX2 chips :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW8YNk7-zfs

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>>737092609
They knew Exactly what they were doing.

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>>737098836

Yoshi's Island was always planned to use the FX2 chip. Comanche, Star Fox 2, and FX Fighter were all shown at E3 1995. But cancelled shortly after the event. The buzz around the Playstation at E3 1995 left Nintendo spooked and they quietly canceled most of their Super FX2 line-up because they didn't want 'clunky' looking 3D games on the SNES released besides PS1 games. They would rather wait for the N64 to push 3D.

Are Krystalfags are the most delusional subgroup of Nintendofags?

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>>737098664
At most a selective furry of sorts, given how weird and gross 80% of furshit is. And that includes a good amount of the fanart for even the most attractive ones like Krystal, much of whose fanart unfortunately consists of off-model dog fetishist slop. I'd rather just appreciate the few best ones, for what they're worth in their own right, and not bother with the rest.

>>737100431
Yes

>>737074820
Krystal wasn't Miyamoto's idea.

>>737098039
The devs clearly never play tested the thing on hard mode. Difficulty is bullshit rather than challenging.

>>737100647
Acquiring her certainly was.

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>>737077393
That's not the same though. Rosalina was always meant to be a side character. Krystal was actually supposed to be the main character until Nintendo thought they could sell more games by rebranding Dinosaur Planet with the Star Fox IP. She was also changed from a cat to a fox because Nintendo is against racemixing.

>>737075119
>3D graphics with shadows on SNES
how the actual fuck

>>737100501
This is the good shit right here.

>>737088542
>secondary, occasionally hidden objectives in a couple of missions is depth
not sure if retarded or...

>>737098039
>I would have to restart the whole game if I want to bump the difficulty down.
The game's pretty short when you're not dying constantly, so that's not as big of a deal as you'd think. There's a mode that expects you to beat the whole thing in one sitting.

>>737072000
>even krystal's va tweets porn of her
damn

>>737100863
Rare was already making the game for Nintendo.
Miyamoto's only contribution was "YOO MAEK STARU FOXU GAEM NAO HAHA"

>>737072000
no shit faggot it was an on rails shooter before

>>737077393
What's worse is that there's a good chance both are a result of Shiggy's meddling

All my niggas find Adventures and Assault to be good efforts, but ultimately underwhelming in several departments. We respect it for what it was, but we see the vision that it could've been even better.

>>737072000
and it was shit.

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>>737072000
Star Fox would be in better shape if it went straight from SF64 to Assault.
Adventures threw the lore into a blender, its gameplay was completely detached from the core of the series, and overall really just should have stayed Dinosaur Planet.
Star Fox was not big enough for a spin-off styled game like Adventures. All it did was cause people to jump ship. Many never even game Assault a try as soon as they saw the on-foot combat.
I do not hate Adventures, but it did more harm than good to Star Fox.

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Favorite thing about Adventures: Krystal
Favorite thing about Assault: Spacesuit Krystal

>>737100647
See:
>>737096663

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>>737105725
>Adventures threw the lore into a blender,

Imamura did that. Adventures itself doesnt' even do anything for the greater Star Fox mythos outside of the eight year timeskip and plopping Krystal into the cast, both of which were revealed to be on Imamura. At the very least the former of which likely would have happened if EAD got to make their own Star Fox Adventures as intended before it got merged with Dinosaur Planet, the dude was literally "joking" about doing a fucking 20 year timeskip after SF64 came out for crying out loud.

>>737079241

Makes me very happy knowing that Krystalfags will never ever EVER get what they want.

>>737106949
>>737096663
>man designs a character based on what he imagines his boss would get off to
Yeah, this is why Japs are dying out.

>>737105789
Tribal Krystal is all that i need. I actually lost interest when they shoved her in that suit.
I am strictly against modernizing naked, stinky, cavewomen.

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>>737107197
What do I want?

>>737107197
She's gonna be in the next Starfox game being announced next week ;)

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AFIS Krystal.

Starting to think that leak was fake, bros...

>>737107864
Retard.

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>>737107864
>Krystal is included in the next Star Fox game
>She's made into a girlboss dyke with most of her femininity stripped who constantly humiliates Fox McCloud

>>737108332
>who constantly humiliates Fox McCloud
oh please, you faggots don't even like her romance with Fox because he's not human.

>>737108332
Shiggy wouldn't allow it.

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>>737108332
..but enough about Command

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>>737108394
Don't lump me with hmofaggots who are insecure of romantic relationships that don't involve faceless mannequin men.

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>>737108332
>>She's made into a girlboss dyke with most of her femininity stripped who constantly humiliates Fox McCloud
so, nuTawna?

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>>737072000
>Star Fox only didn't suck here
ftfy>>737074820

>>737108394
>>737108559
>hmofa seethe out of nowhere
Why is this so common in Star Fox threads? Why do you feel so threatened that people like to fantasize about a female anthro character and NOT wear one of your disgusting fursuits while doing it?

>>737074820
sex

>>737110474
You will always be a furfag, no matter how many new cope words you invent.

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>>737110474
And now here's another faggot lumping me with another group, as if the concept of being able to like both human X anthro and anthro X anthro pairings is impossible. And of course you mentioned fursuits which has nothing to do with the conversation.

inb4
>s-seething

>>737074820
>>737099187
Reminder that there's only about a 1 difference between Adventures and Assault.
Which means Krystal goes from Tribal Girl wearing a loincloth bikini to Ace Spaceship Fighter Pilot in about a year, which is actually pretty funny.

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Blue space fox amazon

>>737110919
>Fox is barely four feet all
Thats so cute, holy shit.

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>>737110919
I miss Assault's proportions.

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>>737111713
Fox should always be shorter than krystal

>>737072000
haha off the rails

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>>737111935
Disagree, making Fox taller was a better call.