I don't want to talk to aquajeet.

Lancer ga shinda!

this was the last TM product that still had that doujin circle feel even though they were already a company by then

>>737087341
The 30 minute rape scene was a bit egregious

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>>737087009
Half of Shirou's harem was already NTR'd by Shinji in the original too (and all of them were if you count Rin fucking Saber)

>>737087146
No. It's overly pretentious garbage designed to suck your wallet dry. Every "waifu" is damaged goods

>>737087146
No. Fate/Zero series has the best writing, since it wasn't written by the original creator.

>>737087765
it was kino

>>737087009
>Gilgamesh actually puts in the effort when he isn't the antagonist
Many such cases.

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>>737087146
FSN like Tsukihime oozes soul

>>737087341
Eh, I would still say CCC had it in spades too. And Mahoyo.
But yeah everything else after that...
CCC even basically has straight up H-scenes in it if you squint your eyes.

>>737089646
no matter how infinitesimally close and lewd it gets, without explicit H-content it is still all ages shit
TM lost their original spirit when they ditched the H-content

>>737087146
It's focused on magic as a real thing people can do. Nasu plays with words mostly. So setting someone on fire is the same as casting fireball.

>>737089769
CCC is 17+, not all ages
:)

>>737087009
>entire harem gets NTRed
The only H-Scenes that happen in the game (besides the Priest girl) are after the main plot is finished with the real shirou tho?

>>737089801
I don't get it

>>737090136
Most of Fate Stay/Night is the characters dealing with things they don't understand.

>>737088198
Based ankoman, I always hated shirou.

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>>737087146
No. Nothing with the cancer known as (((bisexual))) representation is worth a damn.
Avoid any video game series with at least one installment featuring that garbage.

>>737089842
All Ages just means a game has no sex scene
Tsukihime Remake is considered All Ages despite being 17+

>>737090682
meds now and forever obsessed schizo

>>737090042
Actually played the game award

>>737090536
>redditman

>>737087146
Fate Stay/Night is the ultimate VN. The pinnacle of the medium.

>>737090682
Sometimes I forgot I share a board with people Reagan dumped from the insane asylums.

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>>737090941
This
the only blemish I would put on it is the existence of HF being a half finished frankenstein of multiple cut routes with questionable execution but otherwise as a sum of it's parts, it's unsurpassed.

>>737087009
Shirou is effectively a Pseudo-Servant in Hollow. The entire thing is actually a Singularity. Angra Mainyu can only exist properly when he's possessing someone, and the one he's possessing here is Shirou.

>>737087146
good morning aquajeet

>>737090941
true
>>737091130
>the only blemish I would put on it is the existence of HF being a half finished frankenstein of multiple cut routes with questionable execution
That's why it's being carried by both Kirei and Illya

>>737088198
>Half of Shirou's harem was already NTR'd by Shinji in the original too
>saber
shinji never touched saber and would probably get split in two if he tried
>rin
the worst he did to rin was like lick her neck without consent while she was tied up. if this somehow "taints" her for you and you consider this meaningfully ntr, you have brain problems, this is even worse than "indirect kiss" shit. it's essentially on the same level as if he spit on her face.
>sakura
he did indeed rape sakura, an already broken rape victim who had spent the last ten years being raped by literal bugs and who took it like a dead animal. at that point one more bug isn't really going to ruin her any worse than she already was.

so 1 for 3, 1 for 4 if you count ilya in his harem (and i do because she is).

>>737092526
I was counting Rider too, that's why I said half. Although I guess she doesn't solidify herself as part of the harem up until HA

>>737092965
ok that's fair then, sure

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>>737091130
HF was my favorite route
Maybe I'm a brainlet but it didn't seem half finished or poorly executed to me
I thought UBW was by far the weakest constantly rehashing the same "muh ideals" shit we already went over in fate except for kino hype moments

>>737095124
I liked many things in HF but I found the core story potentially interesting in theory but the way it was done was not as good. Things like the hgw being turned on its head, servants dropping like flies early on, saber disappearing as shirous servant, revelations about the hgw, rin becoming an antagonist, the atmospheric and body horror Nasu is so good at. Kirei and illya’s spotlight shouldn’t even be mentioned. The main problem is one, sakura and her over the top backstory is so tryhard it loops back to being funny , two is shirou whose conflict with his ideals being the most interesting thing about FSN to me, gets discarded. Dropping them just makes his motivation the standard: save the girl agaisnt all odds the world be damned as seen in popular shonen. Which is ok but even then HF half asses many things like how shirou saves the girl and still saves the world, so the conflict was moot and does away with the whole “a hero of justice can only save those he sides with” theme and does away with the catharsis in the overly saccharine true end contrasting so heavily with the grim rest of the route instead of the bittersweet intended normal where shirou self destructs, not being able to exist without his ideals.

>it's not NTR since Shirou picks Sakura so you can fuck both Rin and Saber

>>737096669
Yeah it was a bit of a copout how Sakura doesn't face any consequences for her actions in regards to killing thousands of people and it's all glossed over for her happy ending. Him abandoning his ideals didn't mean as much when Rin or anybody else really didn't challenge him too much on it.
I don't think nasu had the balls to fully commit to making Rin an actual antagonist and it definitely suffered for it. And even in their final duel together Sakura is deprived of sympathy when Rin basically goes "yeah your life sucks but mine sucked too!!!!" And sakura just agrees with her.
That being said still my favorite. H-scenes were the best. Cock crazy Sakura makes my dick diamonds.

>>737097780
The whole route was slowly building to the idea that almost the entire world(including his own ideals) were actively crushing him after abandoning it and trying to save sakura, except none of that happens and rin and rider is still there to help him out. Nasu lost his edge long ago and he admits to losing to the story and being a hypocrite as in regards the ending of HF. I think he said something along the line of urobuchi being better as a writer due to him being an uncaring insect that goes through with his ideas instead of being emotionally swayed by the story itself.
And yeah the H-scenes were very good. Contrary to my previous opinion the "romance" between the two being so one sided was a good choice. Seeing Sakura subtly taking advantage of Shirou and using him for sex in order to sate her lust was both erotic and added a dynamic twist to the usual heroine relationship.

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>>737095124
HF just takes a LONG time to really get into the meat of it. It's a slow burn in all senses of the word. The calm and peaceful days cooking with Sakura and shopping with Ilya mixed with the horror mystery aspects of the shadow all culminating in
>Save Ilya
>Save Ilya
>Save Ilya
>Save Ilya
and everything that happens after that is pure, undiluted, K I N O

>>737097780
>in regards to killing thousands of people and it's all glossed over for her happy ending.
You now remember even the story says it's all AM and not her.

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>>737090682
>Literal faggot THIS mad he got cucked

>>737098106
I agree with your criticisms but I don't think the HF true ending was a complete copout. It's the happiest ending to match the most depressing route and to bookend the entire game which makes sense to me. He did the same shit with kohaku end but it really wouldn't feel right to end an 80 hour vn with a bummer end like the HF normal. But I guess that's what you mean by "losing to the story"
I think its fitting that the "final" ending to the game is also the only one where the holy grail is actually used despite it all being revealed how bullshit the war and the grail are. Shirou was never able to be a superhero because the ideal is an impossibility but by throwing it all away he was able to become a hero for the woman he loved and was rewarded in turn by the grail/ilya.
>Urobuchi
I really liked fate zero I only watched the anime but I think in a lot of ways it was better than fsn.
>>737098170
Yes you're right pure fucking kino. The final projections, the body of swords, the heavens feel dress, the final fist fight
I think that's what nasu does best: kino moments
Does it make sense that saber and shirou can take 5 of hercules lives in one strike? No but everything about the buildup and release of the hercules fight in the fate route was amazing
I really need to watch the movie trilogy

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Not enough Luvia

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This thread needs more aoko

>>737087765
She had it coming.

>>737088958
???
lol
fate zero is literal fanfic

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Never thought I'd say this but Phil fish was right.
Japanese games suck.

>>737095124
>constantly rehashing the same "muh ideals" shit we already went over in fate
that was my favorite part though

>>737088958
>Fate/Zero
>Good writing
Take your (You)

>>737107928
What's wrong with the writing in fate/zero?

>>737108820
Reddit: the series

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>>737098106
>I think he said something along the line of urobuchi being better as a writer due to him being an uncaring insect that goes through with his ideas instead of being emotionally swayed by the story itself.
That's just Shirou's autism reaching through the nasuverse to change the ending.

>>737109774
>everything I don't like is reddit

Nasu cannot draw ass

>>737113034
Nasu isn't the artist

>>737113034
Sakuras ass is great