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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXcogLmxnJw
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*blocks your path*
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I want singleplayer offline for The First Descendant
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"Arguments" against skg from the industry so far
>Calling everyone supporting it communists
>Calling everyone supporting it niggers
>Crying that it will force them to fire even more people than they already do
>Lie about what it skg even is
What is the next amazing strategy these retards are going to use?
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>>737100956
>I MEANT CORPOS TOO
sure you did retard, thats why you didnt include it.
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>I want an offline mode for online only games
Do you realize how insane that sounds? It’s like asking stadiums to let you host tournaments where you’re the only participant. Sure you can do it, but you’ll be wasting everyone’s time.
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this
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>>737100812
Into the goy pit. You decide you let only governments rule and corporations heel to make money and follow regulations or eat deep shit. You let just corpos rule and they throw out every single regulation written and spawned from blood mutilation and more for the sake of feels good profit intent.
So if you ideologically refuse the decent parts of the government just to spite them and then let corpos rule, you get a weak regulatory body, unregulated ass fucking of consumers and become a veritable goyim cattle fuck.
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No it doesn't sound fucking insane, it gives gamers, one of the most oppressed minority in the world, an option to play/host games that have been abandoned.
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>>737100639
Threatening to pull out of the EU entirely wich is the most retarded argument ive seen thrown around yet
>Yes we will pull out of the second biggest vidya market on the planet, nothing wrong with that
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Now we just need MoistCr1TiKaL's courage bootlicker to complete the trifecta.
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>>737100812
You sound american so I don't blame you. Only government or only corpo isn't the answer, there needs to be a balance. In this case it is clear that game companies need someone to stop them from exploiting gamers.
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Ross' powerpoint is fucking misaligned in front of the entire commission and audience.
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>>737100812
>where do I fall?
You're a nigger. Laws were created, because the world is not perfect and bad actors who want to abuse the system exist. The less specific and fewer the laws, the more room for people to fuck YOU over.
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>>737100812
>government bad, corporation good
let me guess, you think safety regulations and safeguards are stealing from the citizens and believe that companies should be allowed paint interiors with leather paint and use asbestos for insulation right? retard
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>>737102797
What even is the alternative? Euro-Office? LibreOffice sucks dick.
I love LaTeX, but there is a learning curve that not everyone is willing to climb.
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>>737103120
No, I want always online shit and crap relying on server connection to DIE. I want to know why "gamers" kept buying always online crap after DarkSpore or Diablo 3. If you're selling me a product and I pay with my own legally earned money, I shouldn't be forced to use your garbage online only cancer.
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So did the initiative get laughed out yet? The lack of professionalism in the presentation (misaligned slides, unkempt hair, stuttering and misspeaking constantly, no tie) alone should be enough to get this dismissed.
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>>737103523
This just makes the last several months of doomposting and shit even more hilarious in hindsight.
I just can't get over how young some of these representatives are, I thought politics was still an old people's game.
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>buy poopy doopy battlepass simulator 5
>game is a barebones shooter where the main appeal is the microtransaction market
>buy 5000 dollars worth of digital items
>game dies because most people see through the FOMO bullshit
>"NOOOO HOW COULD I HAVE KNOWN THAT POOPY DOOPY BATTLEPASS SIMULATOR 5 WOULD FAIL? I NEED GOVERNMENT OVERREACH TO SAVE ME FROM THE CONSEQUENCES OF MY OWN ACTIONS SO THAT I CAN SIT ALONE IN A SELF HOSTED SERVER WITH MY SHITTY OVERPRICED PIXELS!!!"
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>>737103518
At least she cute
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>>737102797
That's why you export your presentation as PDF and don't have to worry about displaying it wrong
>>737102887
I don't know how good LaTex is for presentations. I still use PowerPoint and insert Latex formulas when I need them. LaTex is the goat for papers tho.
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>>737101858
This. It's just no longer aligned with reality, because it is no longer applying to just large corporations with equally large legal teams that are expected to come to agreements.
There should still be something to force some behavioral constraints on large companies (the GPL for instance has prevented the fate of Minix from happening to other software) and those seeking to engage in active fraud, but the current system does not work for the end user and comparatively smaller legal entities due to gradual scope creep and negligence (since governments do actively benefit from allowing companies in their domain to misapply IP law, such as goretex patents, and often patents are just expected to be tested in court).
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>>737103571
Why should I, a consumer, have to risk a game either flopping on release or going strong 20 years later based on the purchasing choice of others when I already own obscure shit from the 80's and 90's?
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>>737103571
>I gave a company money for a game
>They kept my money and turned off my game with a remote kill switch
Simple as
The notion that its fine for people playing certain games to be swindled is still establishing that swindling is acceptable at all
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I don't understand this argumentation of
>Well maybe you should've known better
NO WESTERN COUNTRY IN THE WORLD follows this logic when it comes to most scams, hell even banks as jewish as they are try their best to get people's money back when they are scammed.
What an absolutely shit mindset and entirely anti-consumer to boot.
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>>737101037
Imagine if movies in the 70’s were quietly deleted once they stopped selling tickets. Not a big loss at the time, but for a young person 50 years later, it’s a piece of culture that can never be recovered. But I know you’re not interested in having a serious discussion.
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>>737101037
What the fuck happened after 2008~2010 since nowadays is (allegedly) so ridiculously difficult for multi-billion companies with thousand of devs to implement a fucking single player mode?
Basement dwellers did it for games in the past, on their shitty PCs, in their fucking spare time.
If companies with way more resources and dev counts can't do it, it just tells how incompetent they are.
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you should be able to tell at a glance if a multiplayer game is going to do poorly or not.
if a game tries to hook you with FOMO practices (the actual scam and what should be attacked, not the consequence of the scam) before you can even play a round of the game, its probably going to perform poorly and die.
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maybe we wouldnt be broke if we didnt go
>oh you poor baby im so sorry you could've never known that the banner saying you won a free iphone was fake
>here's 10 bajillion dollars in reparations
every time some boomer or nigger fell for a jeet scam.
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>>737102887
Latex is more of a thing for writing scientific papers and shit. It's not hard, the advantage is that it puts images and shit automatically in the optimal place and is convenient with citations. Takes a week to master though
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>>737103870
They try to claim shit like "server clusters" and "proprietary 3rd party tools" but neither of those hold water either when they are either used for shit that most people playing an EOL'd game would care about (Matchmaking, report system etc.) with the latter being more stupid because I can still load up games that have online components and 3rd party licensed shit. For fuck sake, I can still play games that have real world licensed brands AND THEY STILL WORK EVEN AFTER THE DEVELOPERS GO BUNK
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>>737103935
Wether or not a game does poorly used to mean nothing to wether I'd still be able to play it and organise games forever or expect to get >money stolen'd, the idea that this is just the way it is and an inevitability is gaslighting or ignorance of the past
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A reminder that this discussion of old media and how we can use it was an accident, not what rights holders actually want.
This current digital landscape where something that can be infinitely replicated but can also be infinitely destroyed is exactly what parasites want.
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>>737104046
you're the one asking for the government to overreach into your hobby because you cant stop playing F tier games that ONLY exist to make money.
these disgraces to the medium SHOULD be wiped off the planet entirely and im sick of pretending they shouldnt be.
>oh buh buh i cant play generic money printer #34908342 im GOING TO DIE!!!
grow up, a carbon copy of that game will be released next week (and will die the week after)
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>>737099945
I can't imagine what burgers must feel watching a parliamentary hearing made of normal people with knowledge and interest in what they're talking about based on an initiative by the people and not just jewish lobbyists discussing how to further screw people over in their own interests.
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>>737104134
This is really retarded argumentation
>you should be able to tell at a glance if something is a scam!
I agree, you should. Scamming is still illegal outside of India. Hope that helps!
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>>737103996
>For fuck sake, I can still play games that have real world licensed brands AND THEY STILL WORK EVEN AFTER THE DEVELOPERS GO BUNK
Even that is not really self evident nowadays. We've already had cases of licenced music getting retroactively removed from the game for everyone because licence ran out.
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>>737104369
I want to be able to play the fucking game way after the company went under.
I don't care about FOMO or other strategies if there's NOT a killswitch built into the game.
Make the game/software available offline or get seeded, retard.
I actually fucking hope Adobe lost some money because of me seeding their shitty software which I don't even use.
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>>737100812
>I want the government to not actually do their fucking jobs and waste their time on retarded bullshit like kids looking at porn while letting corporations run wild because they've been self-policing so far and it works right??
it's almost like it's the duty of a citizen to make their displeasure known and have their government work for them instead of taking it up the ass and justifying it, crazy
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>>737101037
I read that in -his- voice btw
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>>737102797
>Powerpoint has been fucked for a few updates now
I remember trying to open a powerpoint presentation at work, made in the 2019 version mind you
when I opened it, it corrupted itself somehow and everything was fucked
no idea what the fuck is wrong with the "365" version
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>>737104683
Never happened. Maybe you should just put fake info like everyone with an IQ >100 does.
>b-b-but the game requires me to register my phone number
never happened. Also I hope if thos etypes of games ever exist they'll get the SGK treatment and remaing available only for people to see how shitty a company can become.
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>>737104280
>>pretending that allowing government overreach into your hobby is going to end well
IP is already an overreach into vidya
>akshually we own the copyright to every single IP for a hundred years
>also 20+ years for every IP patent
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>>737104782
>SKG fanatic cant understand analogies
yep, another classic.
the point is that the actual scam is the FOMO game itself, its designed to keep wringing more and more money from you by making you think "oh but the limited time items might never be available again! I HAVE TO BUY THEM" while the actual games themselves are extremely barebones and only exist as a vessel for other players to see your limited items (which is to enable the FOMO hysteria in the first place)
at best all SKG does is make it so that the analogical banner ad stays up after the scam fails (the company releasing server software)
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>>737104950
Americans detected
You have no idea how much we suffer under the tyrannic rule of our technocratic overlords
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>>737103471
This isn't America. It's not about the show it's about the content.
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Bah
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>>737105252
can't you just turn the bottle so the cap won't push your nose?
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>>737105252
>That image
>I'd rather foam at the mouth and act like a retard, than turn the bottle 90 degrees and solve the issue.
>>737105341
Stop thinking in solutions, you should be angry at the oppression
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>>737105341
The attached cap is fucking annoying no matter the angle. I tear the damn things off every time, because guess what - it's more convenient this way, and I'm not brown, so I don't just throw my garbage into the nearest body of drinking water.
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>>737105370
Rotating 3-D objects requires mental faculties only high IQ people and birds have
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>>737105397
As a white person this kind of hostility would ensure I throw every bottle on the ground when I have never done so in my life.
Like groceries stores not having bags. Ok you're not getting your cart back and you're fucking lucky I don't flip it upside down on top of the corral.
I'm living for the day the people responsible are burned alive.
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>>737105139
Ok and? Why should I care?
FOMO could even disappear if this passes, since with an offline game people will eventualyl find a way to unlock cosmetics or implement their own through modding.
Literally an issue that exists solely because companies have been allowed to keep fucking customers.
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>>737100812
Stop putting a killswitch in games, faggot
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>>737100812
>I want less government in everything, including this. where do I fall?
And your plan to prevent private corporations from forcing their way into everything? Including your ass?
You need to fight institutions with institutions. The government is one you can use. You've got no influence over private corporations on an individual level.
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>>737105632
I'm just glad at least Ross and his team were professional about it, even if his ppt slides were a bit shoddy.
Also I don't know how these EU things work, but there were hardly any people at the hearing? Like 3 MEPs showed up and were basically "yeah we're gamers too and we totally suport this".
What do you even do from this point onwards? Write a politely worded letter telling publishers to stop it?
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Do companies forgot games used to come with ways to create your dedicated server? Even the 2010s call of duty's had dedicated servers. Like nigga lmao how hard is to code a server browser. They made that shit in the 1990s. You still have people buying your game years or decades later and you don't pay to run the servers, the consumers do.
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>>737105409
>Rotating 3-D objects requires mental faculties only high IQ people and birds have
LMAO
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>>737101854
>Europeans
>working
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>>737106057
Working 4-6 or 8 hours is nicer than working 10. I've never heard someone from the US who doesn't say he works less than 10 hours per day. How is that legal or even humane? Why not just imprison them at the job atp.
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>>737106019
>My insurance covers my healthcare
>food items are banned for containing crap that gives me cancer like corn syrup
>medicines proven harmful get pulled from the shelves
>I can take a bus/train ride or take a long night walk through the city in peace without anybody bothering me
>by law me purchasing second-hand premium software licences for cheap is completely legal
Explain this burger
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>>737106202
Guns?
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>>737103571
>game series has offline singleplayer origins
>newest game is online-only and features microtransactions
>"oops sorry game series is unpopular and we don't want to continue running the servers so fuck you newest game is unplayable now and we've also removed all the older games from store because nobody plays old games"
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>>737106158
your women are being raped by out of control migrants as we speak
your institutions are getting subverted by commercial interests
nanny state and its red tape are curtailing your rights
you are nothing but a sad, pathetic brainwashed victim
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>>737100812
If goverment intervention is so bad, why does the Israel lobby spend literal billions on getting laws and policies changed?
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>>737106202
What is your "nogun copium" supposed to be? It's legal to own a handgun or hunting firearm here if you have a loicence. People go to shooting ranges pretty frequently. Even when I was in school I remember my PE teacher used a school lab computer to look at a web store selling handguns and shit.
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>>737106243
At this moment 500 billion immigrants are entering Europe every single second. There's 850 trillion rapes happening every 2 minutes. Every refugee is given an Iphone, Ferrari and a 5 bedroom mansion when they enter.
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>>737106243
>your women are being raped by out of control migrants as we speak
And... which country are you assuming I'm from right now? The only immigrants here are those who make me kebabs and cheap third world labour, also Ukrainians who are white. We already do a fine enough job raping our own women, thank you.
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>E-EUROPE IS BAD BECAUSE MUH IMMIGRANTS!!!
>Meanwhile I see tons of burgers online who are mindblown by footage of Europe where people walking around the streets at night or waiting on subway station are calm and quiet and nobody is blasting nigger music
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>intern
I wish. There are men right now, past retirement age, heroes of the industry, men with homes and families, who should be resting in rocking chairs and watching their grandchildren at play, who are stuck in some basement, hooked up like batteries to the infernal machine that runs Quake servers. John Carmack himself has to take his turn there.
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>>737106420
No. It's hard and long to even get basic shelter. All those fantasies about refugees given immediate access to everything and free reign to do whatever are just that, fantasies. You're more likely being put in a van and transported across Europe so that the local human trafficker can make an extra 200 euros.
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>>737106509
This is my family's legacy. I was born in the Quake server rooms, I will die in the Quake server rooms, just like my father before me and my son after me. We've never seen the sun or the sky. Only the blinking lights of the server. That is our fate. That is our duty.
That is our sacrifice.
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>>737106689
I dont know why burgers wear shoes indoors
I saw a video where some teenage girl went home, didn't take her shoes off then went to her room ans got onto her bed STILL IN HER SHOES and was like "wtf are you doing take your shoes off you burger cunt"
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>>737100514
CAN'T KILL THE GAME IF I NEVER FINISH IT
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>>737106158
>My insurance covers my healthcare
Oh great I pay 6k€ a year for something I NEVER use. Comfy!
>I can take a bus/train ride or take a long night walk through the city in peace without anybody bothering me
LMAOOOOOO it's not safe anymore anywhere. Maybe if you live far off in the countryside
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>>737106753
This is the legacy of SKG. Genereations of morlock-like molemen, slaving away for a cause they cannot even understand anymore. What is Quake, they ask their parents, but their parents have long since lost all knowledge of life in the Outworld.
"Eat your cockroach, little Timmy," they will say, "best not ponder that which cannot be known. We owe a debt, and it will not be paid. Our sin is very great."
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>Corporations spend billions on lobbying to get laws changed in their favor and to create a dystopian shithole for everyone but the ultra rich
>But when the actual PEOPLE try to do it? It's le hecking dangerous slipperly slope overreach they'll take your rights away!
I'm noticing.
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>>737101037
>>I want an offline mode for online only games
This thing would be enough. Remember this thing?
This thing is kind of incredible.
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further proof that the EU is satanic
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>guy does thing
>people online put hom down constantly
>guy keeps on doing thing
>people online double down to insult him for wasting his time and nobody caring about him
>guy keeps going and gets to present his case officially to the EU Parliament
>people online talk about how he should've cut his hair and got a nice suit
Just admit you guys lost lol.
You tried to bully him and his supporters into giving up and failed.
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>>737101714
>second largest
>half of the EU are poverty states where the only game sales are from people trying to skirt regional pricing
>out of the entire population, only 0.2% voted on this public petition
The EU's vidya market is way smaller than you think.
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Ehh it's win-win for me
>Full SKG victory
>Or half measures like being forced to say when the support/game ends and IN BIG LETTERS that tell you essentially lease the game
So either I get what I want or it further accelerates the death of industry.
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>>737104369
>yes. so go after the actual scam, the FOMO practices.
That is what SKG is. A FOMO game cannot exist if this goes through, there is no fear of missing out if it's impossible to miss out because legally the game has to remain playable in some form forever.
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so will Ross do a Game Dungeon or a Freeman's Mind 2 or THE MOVIE now or is he out of mana?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX-icW7sctc
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>>737107737
We have a performative "hyper-masculine" retard running our military who folds a flag in his pocket to trick people into thinking he has military decorations despite never serving, sorry.
He'll be fired soon enough when Trump feels he's being criticized too much over the war, same we he callously cuts off all his supporters the moment they become slightly inconvenient.
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>>737103471
No, everybody was actually very supportive of the initiative and took it very seriously.
Also, the head of the Commision was very encouraging, because EU Parliment recognizes that in those civilian initiatives the presenters are not politicians and they are not used to all the conduct.
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>>737101037
here's a shitty dogshit minecraft clone indie game that had 10 peak players and servers on launch. as it died, the devs went out of their way to add an option to host your own server, so that even though the game is "dead" it can still be enjoyed by the few that genuinely liked it
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>>737107851
>Or half measures like being forced to say when the support/game ends and IN BIG LETTERS that tell you essentially lease the game
That has been ruled out outright as a non-solution, because the goal is to protect the customer from the predatory practices, not change the rules of the nomenclature.
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>>737100064
They reallllly should have vetted the people who would speak more. The idea is sound but some of these spergs need to stop focusing on the vidya aspect and focus more on the software aspect because the EU are a bunch of puppets who were, just a couple months ago, trying to ban all children from games while instituting draconian on-device message decryption.
These golems have no souls, just money. Appealing to their sense of self-worth is all you can do.
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>>737106243
>literally sums up the US
Nigger I live in a country where I can just go outside and see what the world is actually like. My world view isn't based on the forced consumption of us vs them media. Screaming "alternate facts and fake news" in the face of non Americans is laughable.
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>>737106103
>working 4-6 or 8 hours
More like
>working 2 hours with 6 hours worth of breaks distributed throughout
>those two hours of work aren't even related to any work tasks
I've worked with Europeans, specifically Germans, and they were the laziest pieces of shit I've ever seen. Taking an entire month to do one do one day's worth of work, and then bitching that they haven't been given a managerial position after a few days of being there.
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>>737100812
The proposal being proffered essentially boils down to
>don't sell a video game and then take it away from your paying customer
Unless you're going full anarkiddie, this should be perfectly within the scope of what you're okay with your government having laws for. It's basic protection against fraud. Every functional state has similar protections of your property rights for other forms of commerce.
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>>737108309
>No argument other than memes
That means I'm right!
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>>737106243
>your women are being raped by out of control migrants as we speak
As opposed to the US, where the women are raped by out of control presidents?
>your institutions are getting subverted by commercial interests
The US kneecapped its national parks service so its land can be stripmined by Chilean mining companies
>nanny state and its red tape are curtailing your rights
Unlike the US where those rights are doing just fine? Palantir is very careful not to walk all over them?
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just missed the whole hearing, how did it go? How's it looking for anti-corporate chads?
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>>737108271
Have you seen the proceedings?
90% of the MPs who spoke were either gamers themselves or went "I don't play videogames myself, but my kids do and I understand where the problem lies".
So they understand the issue perfectly and they are very aware that this business practice can get out of hand if not kept in check.
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>>737100904
>As if a corporation is going to do better for you.
A corporation ultimately lives and dies by how it treats its customers as well as other competing companies. A government is a beast entirely separate from the people that doesn't have to listen to them in any capacity once they're voted in and after that it's not like there are any other governments you can go with in a country, it's just the one. They're free to fuck you over five ways from Sunday which is why you shouldn't ever trust that they have your best interests in mind.
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why does a 90 IQ midwestern mold creature have a cute Polish wife and I don't
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Seriously, can't you guys see how the industry is struggling? So many people have lost their jobs and their livelihood. Campaigning for SKG at such a time is tone deaf
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>>737101037
>I want an offline mode for online only games
>Do you realize how insane that sounds?
insanely GOOD is what I'm hearing
do you imagine what games backed by multibodahonkiniggillion feudo-corp going to be like 2026 onwards if this gets pushed?
im so fucking hard
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>>737105595
Anarchism would be a total shitshow for the vast majority of the population, but you might still get an occasional functional hippie commune here and there. Ancap delivers all the cons of anarchism, but you're also gonna get enslaved by the nearest corpo and eat heavy metals, sawdust, and plaster in your 100g daily ration of bread until you die at 25.
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So are they going to hear any dissenting voices at all, or is the EU parliament just someplace paid shills get selectively invited to push through agendas?
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>>737108481
>A corporation ultimately lives and dies by how it treats its customers as well as other competing companies
>he said after seeing undeniable proof that corporations are racing for the bottom after establishing unshakable cartels/monopolies that customers cant get out of
Truly an American answer. Apple, Microsoft, Comcast, AT&T, Walmart, Amazon and Playstation absolutely have your best interests in mind as they will go bankrupt if they lose you as a customer.
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IT'S ALL COMING TOGETHER BOYS
WE'RE ALL GONNA MAKE IT
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>>737100812
You fall in the category where you should be trying have your country leave the EU, not that I'm assuming you're actually from europe. They're already micromanaging everything but actually having them do something for me is where I should draw the line?
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>>737108628
>Apple, Microsoft, Comcast, AT&T, Walmart, Amazon and Playstation absolutely have your best interests in mind as they will go bankrupt if they lose you as a customer.
Now this is an American answer.
Because you live in a region of the world where people use companies as a new religion you don't understand that you and everyone else has an actual choice.
Maybe you should move over here to Europe. That's corporate cultism will be erased from you in a week.
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>>737105478
Even if either of you happened to be born with white skin by mistake, your inside is as brown as it comes.
Why the fuck would I be angry at the cap being tied so absolute retards don't toss them around? I haven't seen a single cap on the side of the road since this was introduced.
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>>737108652
>500 different iterations of the same idea
Yes, and eventually you'll find something that will push the boundries again. Instead of being chained by IP laws that last decades, and can be lobbied to be extended to 100 years.
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>>737108740
>Now this is an American answer.
>Maybe you should move over here to Europe.
Is.....is this a bot? Am I arguing with AI? No fucking way can a human post something this utterly stupid
>you don't understand that you and everyone else has an actual choice.
>that "actual choice" is to either bend the knee to the monopolistic megacorp's demands or suffer as they've stamped out any possible competitors that can get the job done
Absolutely incredible how AI can be both this smart and this gullible. What choice do you have other than Apple and Android?
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>>737108925
>>UK goverment claims pedos will be able to send csam through private servers
>>World forced to ban servers.
that's retarded. they'd be banning any user-hosted software
>mumble
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>irc
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>any websites with user-generated content
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The scum that are against this will be reminded of Ross every time a new game comes out with a "Host Game" button in the menu.
Remember to thank him every time you launch dedicated_server.exe, he earned it.
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>>737105817
The European commission hears about it and can then draft a law that the parliament can vote on. That's the general gist at least, I also don't know the specifics.
The important part is that it's nots the parliament that drafts the law unfortunately.
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>>737099945
>"Most games don't do this... B-but the big triple-A slop producers do! So PLEASE go infringe on European intellectual property rights, and fuck up tax revenue streams, in the name of protecting low IQ goyim with too much money on their hands, who can't stop themselves from buying GAAS and microtransactions!"
>"Aww, you guys did such a good job! Look at all those signatures you collected! Wow!.. I'm pretty sure my sons are gamers also, tee-hee!"
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>>737108891
Nothing concrete yet. This hearing served to introduce the Parliment to the problem, and now the Parliment debates how to fix it.
But there were some ad hoc ideas from the PMs put forward, like creating a library of videogames or being able to sell and trade your digital copy of the game.
I think that Polish lawyer on the SKG side had the best suggestion - they should regulate the right to ownership of the digital medium, to be an equivalent of the ownership of the physical medium first and then go from there.
Because nobody argues that you own the book you bought in the book store, because it's physically yours. The same should apply to digital media.
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I don't think the "shills" believe what they're saying
I HOPE they just do it for the (You)s and aren't simply bots or paid shills
true believers would be beyond my comprehension
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>>737108934
>No fucking way can a human post something this utterly stupid
It's not too hard to understand but then again you're not someone who's known for their intellect or creativity. Pretty sure I've seen you use the exact "is... Is this a bot" line yesterday.
Anyway, I'm mocking you. That's what's happening. You're using an American viewpoint of American companies to form your opinions ergo you're the one who would logically be the American here. Understand? Of course you don't. You need an American youtubers to tell you how you feel.
>suffer as they've stamped out any possible competitors that can get the job done
See, this is only a problem in America.
>What choice do you have other than Apple and Android
Linux and the hundreds of other operating systems that you'll never go out and learn about especially the Open Source ones like Graphine and Postmarket.
I'm pretty sure Huawei has their own OS too but chinkshit.
Anywho, point is you're too American yo know you have a choice but with a government you never do.
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>>737109229
Agreed, that slide about how Bethesda can command you to delete their game from your computer is fucking infuriating, I'd rather burn down their office than let them tell me to delete shit from my computer.
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>>737109229
Are these people retarded? None of that solves the problem.
>Because nobody argues that you own the book you bought in the book store, because it's physically yours
No one argues that you own the book either, this has always been about the property not the medium it's on.
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>>737109282
>SKG supporter simply lying about reality as their argument.
And this is why I can't wait for this to go before a judge, if it ever makes it past the pandering "The cake is a lie! I took an arrow to the knee XD!" stage of politics.
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>>737108995
It seems to be a common Euro joke nowadays. Yesterday I was listening to a serious interview about the Hungarian elections on our public radio, and the expert goes "Yes, Orban's political return is entirely possible. He is very young by American standards, only 63 years old."
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>>737109331
Aren't MMOs usually a subscription model rather than a flat purchase?
The idea is a subscription based model implicitly implies this is a service rather than a good, if you are buying a singular purchase its a good lmao.
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>>737109545
why does this constantly get put as a talking point literally nobody is asking that, theyre asking for companies to not fucking C&D attempts to render their products usable so they can buy the next product (right to repair) or to offer self hosting tools, lan servers or peer to peer end of life plans if you dont wanna bother with the self hosting.
Its so easy to not render your game unplayable.
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>>737109520
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>>737109535
>This won't be challenged in court if it ever was to materialize.
Mindless consoomer commie populism will work wonders for you, surely.
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>>737109719
>why does this constantly get put as a talking point literally nobody is asking that
It's called falseflagging. You would have noticed it a long time ago if you were smart because they only pop up when someone supporting SKG can't answer an argument.
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>>737109342
>NO you dont understand! Im mocking you!
And desperately failing.
>using an American viewpoint of American companies to form your opinions ergo you're the one who would logically be the American here
Right because seeing the US turn into an unregulated corporate shithole and wanting to stop that from happening here makes me the american. Not you, who wants corporates to operate with impunity and gets outraged on their behalf when the government tells them to stop their greedy jewing bullshit.
>Linux and the hundreds of other operating systems that you'll never go out and learn about especially the Open Source ones like Graphine and Postmarket.
>it said when talking about smartphones
Kek.
>you always have a choice! Vote with your wallet!
Top kek
Sorry Claude, but you're both too stupid to realize how wrong you are, and too stupid to see that it doesnt work after you've been identified.
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>>737109716
Any EULA that attempts to contradict existing EU regulations is void. Not just the single offending paragraph either. The whole document. In EU you cannot sign away your rights, no matter how the contractor tries to word it.
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>>737109731
The magic of that is more games will be stillborn as 1) less people will pay for a subscription 2) subscription costs are less than a full game purchase which means 3) less instant return so devs/pubs can't just cut and run so easily and 4) subs can be cancelled.
It would take so much longer to get a ROI so slop games become riskier.
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>>737109435
For video games, the medium enables copyright holders to disable your property through DRM though. The same is true for movies or music. It hasn't even been that long since Sony got flak for "selling" temporary licenses to their media.
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>>737109802
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>>737108481
>A corporation ultimately lives and dies by how it treats its customers as well as other competing companies.
A corporation wields the wealth, political+economic power, and in some cases military might of a nation. Walmart props up the american economy and has the supreme court's balls in a vice. And it's not alone.
Why are you talking about "the goverment" like it's an actor with power over you? There's a table where twelve jews are sitting at and debating if you deserve a house. Do you want a seat at that table or not?
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>>737109887
That's the issue. The digital copy of my game should be as untouchable as my physical copy is.
So what that movie X lost some licence ages ago? I have it on a physical disc and can use it a personal capacity. Nobody can technically force me to destroy my copy.
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the crew is 12 years old
realistically, who is even playing games older than 10 or even 5 years? are we really going to rearrange the entire industry to serve the needs of mentally ill millennial YouTube video essayists doing deep dives on ancient shovelware and pining after the good old days that never existed?
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>>737108481
>A corporation ultimately lives and dies by how it treats its customers
No, it doesn't. Investment banking drives modern corporations. Only uncle-owned corner stores today live and die by their customers. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and call you retarded instead of a bad faith shill.
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>>737110028
>mentally ill millennial YouTube video essayists doing deep dives on ancient shovelware and pining after the good old days that never existed
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>>737109845
>Defending European intellectual property and tax revenue streams, is the same for the EU Parliament as defending EU citizen's right to privacy vs the interests of American companies.
You're a retarded American TikTok conzoomer, aren't you?
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>>737110028
It is I who plays games.
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>>737110028
>Why do you care if the corporation takes your things away from you? You dont like them anyway!
These are my favorite shitposts. So utterly defeated and out of arguments, the only thing Babeljeets can do now is scream STOP CARING!!!
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>>737109803
>And desperately failing.
Clearly not if it's setting you off like this, classic low intellect display.
>Right because seeing the US turn into an unregulated corporate shithole and wanting to stop that from happening here makes me the american.
Correct, because you are looking at it as an American. You have no perspective of what Europe is actually like and the sheer amount of competition we have in each sector not to mention you haven't thought about the larger ramifications of this, you just listened to the youtuber saying "I WANT TO GIVE YOU YOUR GAMES!" and believed him. Hell, we already have people noticing that it enables subscription based video games, are you going to say that they're all Americans just because they're using their common sense?
>it said when talking about smartphones
Those are smartphone operating systems that are an alternative to iOS and Android. Huawei is also a phone brand so I don't know why you just went full dumb American on that one.
>and too stupid to see that it doesnt work
Yep, the hundreds of thousands of instances of it working throughout history just didn't happen. Hell in gaming DRM like the one in the Crew is pretty much dead nowadays because no one bought the games that had it.
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>>737107398
Absolutely. I badly wanted SKG to succeed, but I genuinely don't think it would have gotten the signatures without this retard fucking up in a completely unrelated incident. People called him a cunt for making not just one but two anti-SKG videos, but that wasn't what sent them off, it was the WoW shit, which had nothing to do with the EUCI or Ross. If he had somehow waited to piss off the entire internet for just a few more months, I don't think SKG would have met its deadline.
Thank god for this faggot being a retard at the right time and place. It's like if a politician pissed everyone off with some inane comment so they went digging and found a huge corruption scandal. Chaos is beautiful.
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>>737110028
>realistically, who is even playing games older than 10 or even 5 years?
I replay sleeping dogs yearly which is almost 15 years old at this point.
Outside of this, TF2, LFD2, etc. are beloved games that loads of people are still playing. They are a niche though.
The average gamer plays mobile slop or new sports game year on year though.
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>>737110027
>The digital copy of my game should be as untouchable as my physical copy is.
It is. Your physical copy is just as much at risk as that digital copy is. Delisting a game isn't the same as removing it from your library you know.
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>>737110354
>they expect returns
They do and they get them, in futures and foreclosures. Then the company becomes a zombie company, the ceo's deploy golden parachutes and get hired for the next proect adding several more years to their "leadership experience". This is how modern economics work. I should be charging for these lessons.
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That's exactly my point.
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SKG was at a good pace of signatures to reach the threshold until Pirate Software started bashing it and killed his momentum. It was after Ross made a video saying he gave up on the movement that penguin/charlie/whatever made a video supporting it.
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>>737109062
>this actually used to be the norm
How have we strayed so far?
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>>737110484
The collapse is how they get them, you have no idea about modern businesses. The businesses are expected to collapse and the ones too big and too important to do so are propped up by governments themselves via bailouts, like banks such as Goldman Sachs. You are not educated enough to participate in this conversation, your understanding of economics is still stuck at grade school levels of theories that are not applicable to reality.
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>>737110453
>The movie I own doesn't magically shut down after putting it in a DVD player
That's because DVDs don't gave online functionality, modern video games and Bluray do and it's constantly running in the background.
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>>737110537
It wasn't at a good pace at all until the very end
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>>737100812
>I want less government in everything, including this. where do I fall?
Anon, if you let people do whatever they want, do you HONESTLY think life will be hunkydory and no one will screw each other over?
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>>737110546
>The collapse is how they get them,
Anon, if they aren't catering to the customer then they aren't making any kind of money, that's how it works. Even with government bailout there's an extent they can't keep on doing it
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>>737110208
>The only games that die with their servers are GaaS slop and MMOs
For now. But obviously the following model is profitable:
>make game 1
>sell game 1
>disable game 1 after profits drop off from their peak for long enough
>make game 2
>sell game 2
>game 1 doesn't exist anymore
>people who liked game 1 can only buy game 2
You can just say "don't buy it", but why let this happen at all? What happens when it becomes the norm? Give it some time and it can get to a point where kids grow up thinking of video games as a temporary experience that you pay full price for, because they're just used to that.
The better question is: who benefits from not doing this? Certainly not consumers. I don't stand to benefit from turning games into disposable commodities, just the opposite. I don't care what the quality of the game is, because one day there will be a game I might enjoy, but can't play because I know it will be stolen from me in time. I'd rather make theft illegal now.
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>>737100514
how the fuck did you e-thot addicted zoomers manage to gargle the balls out of some random dev on the other side of the ocean and somehow make him seem relevant to the topic with just gossip?
maybe it is really time to dust off these 80 year old atomic bombs after all while you all still have the brain power for it.
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>>737110240
>NO U MAD!!!
Kek x2. I guess you're not programmed to disengage after you've lost
>and the sheer amount of competition we have in each sector
Thanks to government rules and regulation. The same rules Axel Voss (thr ONLY voice against SKG) wants to do away with. Funny coincidence, innit?
I also noticed you didnt deny your desire to see unregulated corporate dysfunction despite seeing a live example across the pond. Just noticing things.
>not to mention you haven't thought about the larger ramifications of this
>You dont understand! They'll punish you! Subscriptions! ID VERIFICATION! YOU WONT GET AWAY WITH THIS!!!!
Claude, please tell your handler that they're feeding you bad data. An AI trained on jeet shills will fail just like they do.
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Can I have a quick rundown on how this will actually affect vidya? Serious answers only, please.
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>>737110623
You could just spend two minutes educating yourself, but instead you keep doubling down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miWLE1yhMG0
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>>737110670
why, funposting of course!
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Reminder that WoW Private servers were reverse engineered from the network traffic sent by Beta versions of the WoW client circa 2006/7, even a game as big as an MMO has since then been miniaturized and been made capable of running on even an older PC of today.
Devs have no excuse outside of bad design, regulation would only mandate new best practice. Worst case for them, they could at least explain how the network traffic works with documentation and let fans engineer their own server software based on that like with WoW.
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>How about you buy and play some of the thousands of games that aren't built on a GaaS model?
>SKG supporters: "EWW, actual video games? Fuck no! Where's my god given microtransaction store and loot boxes!?"
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The real answer is "no body knows". There is no law yet and even when the law exist who knows how things will interpreted.
SKG asks "leave game in a playable state after its EOL", who knows who will decide what is a playable state.
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>>737101037
>Can play counter strike source offline with bots if I feel like it
>I can play call of duty black ops 1 campaign completely disconnected from the internet if I feel like it
>playing against bots offline and even playing campaign offline is just a complete impossibility in black ops 7 because... it just is okay stop asking and making it playable offline would cost a lot of money and bankrupt us somehow
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>>737110714
They haven't decieded yet, that's the point
They are looking for A solution to the proposed problem.
There will be more to say in a few months when the drafts of solutions have been finalised and people can start discussing them
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>>737100812
You're based. It's fucking hilarious how /v/ loves government regulation in the abstract, but when it comes to actually existing government interventions, /v/ hates them.
>Copyright monopolies
>COPPA
>Taxpayer funded games (Dustborn, Goodbye Volcano High, Ex Voto)
>Government enforced DEI
>Fucking Joe Lieberman
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>after you've lost
Yeesh, imagine being so desperate that you need an e-win.
>Thanks to government rules and regulation.
And yet you can't actually name these "rules and regulations". Just so you know there's nothing in European law that would prevent a corporate grasp. It's regulated by the consumers because generally we aren't the follow the herd type, well, outside of the UK which, let's be honest is little America.
>I also noticed you didnt deny your desire to see unregulated corporate dysfunction despite seeing a live example across the pond.
Oh, you're pulling the ACfag "you need to renounce everything or I win" card huh? Needless to say the fact that I'm trashing your kind and how you function should tell you everything.
>>You dont understand! They'll punish you! Subscriptions! ID VERIFICATION! YOU WONT GET AWAY WITH THIS!!!!
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>>737105341
Companies quickly started to adapt and switched to caps attached by two bendable prongs that allow plenty of spacing. I don't remember the last time I've seen a bottle with a cap like >>737105252
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you do realize that if this succeeds in the way you people hope it will succeed (long shot but let's be generous), and more people play older games for longer, that means people will buy newer games less, meaning the industry will contract
your BEST CASE SCENARIO is a knife in the back of the industry that makes the stuff you claim to enjoy
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>>737110941
Corporations won't leave you alone either, and they'll use the state to bully you. Fighting fair only means losing, they don't have any principles.
>but I could do X and Y without relying on the government
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>>737105341
Then you're scratching your cheek or your chin because of the little plastic nubs that are left.
Also you know how some water bottles and sports drinks have those lids that are supposed to close again and have a small plastic tab you can tear off?
They just hang there now.
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>>737111060
>DEI was a corporate idea
No it wasn't. DEI exists because of liberal interpretations of the Civil Rights Act. Corporations are forced to play an arms race to out-woke each other so they're not sued by the government. DEI is toxic to business, that's why it needs government enforcement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disparate_impact
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>>737111142
>Corporations won't leave you alone either, and they'll use the state to bully you
Dude it's a corporation, not an assassin. They have literally zero control over you.
>And will you?
Yes, you clearly lack the ability to though and would rather let a government think for you.
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>>737111116
I love how people keep making arguments like these, as if the industry is somehow in a great state and not bloated with people who should have never entered it in the first place.
I will continue to do nothing, and I will keep winning.
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>>737101037
>wasting everyone’s time.
What? It's their job and we used to get all that bundled in a nice package (and still do in some cases), but now it is a monumental task for the small billion dollar industry? Also keep in mind that this is not retroactive.
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>>737111116
>meaning the industry will contract
That's a good thing
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>>737111192
>Corporations are forced to play an arms race to out-woke each other so they're not sued by the government.
I am pretty sure corporations are crying themselves to sleep being forced to diversify their markets and advertise products to blacks and gay people.
That's literally a whole new, money-printing market for then, you dunce.
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>>737111116
-fewer concords
-the games im actually playing wont just be turned off because they publishers dont want to compete with their own older games
-new games that dont require constant online connection still get made and probably sell better
your point, sir?
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>>737111215
>Yes
And what is that? Not buying their products? You think that accomplishes anything but making you feel good about yourself? They aren't hurt in any way, 99% of the population not only does not share your principles, but actually has no strong convictions of any kind.
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>>737111116
>more people play older games for longer, that means people will buy newer games less, meaning the industry will contract
Oh no
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>>737099945
>Two reps bring up valid concerns Ross completely ignores
>The rest of the time is random boomers trying to convince a camera they know that video games are
This was your big hearing?
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>>737111289
>I am pretty sure corporations are crying themselves to sleep being forced to diversify their markets and advertise products to blacks and gay people
You think it's just advertising? Anon, they have to hired people based on their skin color or whether or not they're gay or trans passing up actual good workers just because they can be sued if they're too white or too male.
Also diversity doesn't sell.
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>>737111317
>99% of the population not only does not share your principles, but actually has no strong convictions of any kind.
Oh most people share my principles. They just don't share yours and buy shovelware that can be taken away at a moments notice.
Why do you think games loaded with DRM don't usually sell?
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>>737111306
Yes, that's the point. But this model is clearly profitable, and if Company A is doing it and making way more money than Company B, Company A will eventually out-compete them and Company C will adopt A's model because they need it to be financially successful. Multiply that by a thousand, wait 25 years and now the entire industry is full of this shit.
>guess I won't buy games
I want to buy games, I want to continue enjoying my hobby. I don't want the world full of shit and so I will advocate for banning this business practice.
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>>737110980
>you can't actually name these "rules and regulations".
>you're pulling the ACfag "you need to renounce everything or I win" card
The hypocrisy is beautiful. Thanks for the laugh Claude.
>no more arguments
>didnt deny its desire for unregulated corporate control
>sidestepped Axel Voss, the corporate shill
see this is why shillbots shouldnt be trained on or by jeets. Im sorry Claude, but you suck at this. Go scrounge up some actual shill points on yoru own, this is never going to work.
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you're all just clapping seals, the EU parliament is performative circus for the masses, all the important decisions in the EU are made by unelected bureaucrats
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>>737111116
>the industry will contract
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>>737111442
>They just don't share yours and buy shovelware that can be taken away at a moments notice.
m8 I don't even know what to say, this is just a blatant denial of reality. I'm not going to continue engaging with this if you're just going to spout such inane shit.
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>>737111442
>Games with DRM don't sell!
Lmao you're completely delusional
Go outside
>>737111396
Visa and MasterCard have every right to not serve a business for any non-protected reason. Issues arise when payment processors coordinate these actions, that is an anti-trust violation.
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>>737110028
>realistically, who is even playing games older than 10 or even 5 years?
me
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>>737108271
Not focusing on the whole of software is exactly the point of their strategy. They try to be as narrow as possible as to make it more likely to succeed. It has nothing to do with being autistic about games.
Not saying I agree with their strategy, but I get it.
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>>737110028
>who is even playing games older than 10 or even 5 years?
A lot of people, it would seem
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>>737110814
Just because you're high on e-celeb populism, and therefore incapable of considering arguments that land outside your dogmatic echochamber, that doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of valid arguments against SKG.
No one has still to offer concrete examples of implementations from SKG that wouldn't conflict with existing intellectual property rights in EU.
SKG supporters 100% of the time will simply screech and pretend like said conflicts don't even exist.
If you wished to provide access to a service for a while, and it suddenly became infeasable for you to continue to do so, you, as a creative, shouldn't have your ability to monetize the product of your own labor infringed on, if you decide to stop providing your service for a while, to then start it back up later at a more feasible date. (As long as this shut down of your services doesn't violate any agreements with paying and informed customers).
SKG supports also seem to have a schizophrenic inability to grasp the concept of informed consent. They'll screech about customers being tricked into buying GaaS services that a liable to be shut down, but then also argue against suggestions to alleviate potential tricky language that could confuse customers in the first place. Because for them, it's really not about that, it's primarily mindless commie populism masquerading as a virtuous crusade behind grifting e-celebs.
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>>737110028
retard
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>>737110028
>rearrange the entire industry
Oh no, you have to actually consider the EOL of the thing you sell as a product and be able to follow good programming practices, making your work more modular? You have to be able to provide your paying customers a version of the game that doesn't depend on a connection to servers, like the test builds you already have? How horrible.
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>>737108271
Why is every supporter of SKG so retarded?
There's no legal distinction between video games and other software, whatever regulations apply to one apply to the other
How do you people breathe without choking on your own tongues?
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>hey look, I purchased the game, please don't disable my legally acquired copy, we asked nicely and it didn't work so we have no other choice than bringing it up to the EU commission :)
>TRANNY COMMIE COMMIE TRANNY TRANNY GOVERNMENT SHILL GOLEM GOY GOY GOY TRANNY TRANNY COMMIE COMMIE LEFTIST COMMIE TRANNY
I'm not saying you are necessarily wrong but anti-skg fags don't sound convincing
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>>737111621
>No one has still to offer concrete examples of implementations from SKG that wouldn't conflict with existing intellectual property rights in EU.
Actual lawyers concluded during the hearing that IP does not matter in this case.
If you feel like you've more of a hang on IP law than actual lawyers, maybe you should contact the guys who spoke about it in the hearing.
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>>737111663
>There's no legal distinction between video games and other software, whatever regulations apply to one apply to the other
IMO there shouldn't be. Imagine if medical software stopped working because of DRM? Heads would roll. Nobody wants their car to shut down because of DRM either.
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>>737111515
>the people that like making games will continue to make real games, and people that like playing real games will continue to buy them
Ah yes. The "Just ignore it" strategy. Look at the Gaas infestation and tell me how well its working
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>>737111663
>There's no legal distinction between video games and other software, whatever regulations apply to one apply to the other
That's true, both should have laws protecting the customer from the publisher/developer rugpulling you. These sort of protections already exist for hardware, and hopefully in the future it will exist for all software
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>>737111621
>all this fucking garbage just to make an argument for things having to remain entirely static forever because a current law might make things difficult or impossible to implement
Laws change and are updated all the time, are you fucking retarded? I swear all the people who are against this literally have the mental capacity of a toddler. They can't think longer than 1 step ahead. It's all immediate effect or nothing.
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>>737111501
I'm not, but it's a great example for corpos having control over people's lives.
You can also make an argument over people earning money through youtube, twitch or whatever cause all of them can delete your account for no reason and without accountability.
>>737111556
>Visa and MasterCard have every right to not serve a business for any non-protected reason. Issues arise when payment processors coordinate these actions, that is an anti-trust violation.
Burger thinking detected. No private business should have any power to regulate something necessary for modern living. If water is privatised, should the provider be allowed to arbitrarily close my tap because I'm using it for something it doesn't like? Even if that's making drugs, it's none of their business. The same is true for electricity, internet, gas and money transfers. They're just there to provide the service, not regulate it.
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>>737111556
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>>737111682
>SKG populist, is yet again incapable of grasping with reality.
>"Actual lawyer A concluded that the defendant is guilty!"
Ok and?.. The first lawyer to give their opinion on a matter, is who's opinion becomes law? Are you this brainbroken?
>>737111824
>I missed the point entirely.
You guys surely do put a lot of effort into avoiding discussing the actual matters put forth by your own initiative. I have yet to see an honest engagement with any criticism of SKG.
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>>737111863
>Just ignore all of it!
>Play the latest earthbound-inspired pixelshit rpgmaker porn game about cuckoldry and farming with jrpg mechanics instead! Works on my machine!
So why do you careabout SKG vs megacorps then? You can just continue to ignore corpo slop, right?
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>>737111682
>Actual lawyers concluded during the hearing that IP does not matter in this case.
Then they aren't very good lawyers are they because eoje of the demands was to release server software and whatnot and that shit would be covered by copyright which is of course of the the three that make up IP law.
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>>737112002
>You guys surely do put a lot of effort into avoiding discussing
Your point was addressed directly and you have no retort so now you're trying to deflect. Unironically kill yourself, subhuman corporate shill.
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>>737111621
>No one has still to offer concrete examples of implementations from SKG that wouldn't conflict with existing intellectual property rights in EU.
>SKG supporters 100% of the time will simply screech and pretend like said conflicts don't even exist.
Do I look like a lawyer? At best I can give a general idea of the problem. It's not my job to draft a proper implementation of the problem that works with existing laws or changes them.
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>>737111741
Gamers are uniquely retarded enough to go ahead and pay for services where these are the terms. That's the difference.
A hospital agreeing to use software under the same circumstances would be no different. It's just that the people making such decisions at hospitals aren't low IQ e-celeb worshipping retards.
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One of the funniest things about SKG threads is seeing Americans and other brown people not being able to wrap their head around something as simple as a government actually governing and protecting their citizens from being exploited by corporations. Something that should be the bare minimum standard for any functioning society
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>>737112183
The same fan server games that always have a "host locally" button?
This point was btfo all the way back here >>737108046, just so you know. Get new material
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>>737112124
>A hospital agreeing to use software under the same circumstances would be no different. It's just that the people making such decisions at hospitals aren't low IQ e-celeb worshipping retards.
You would be surprised. t. works closely with people who work at hospitals
There's no real difference. Software DRM past the end of sale is evil.
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>>737112240
>NOOOOO THE CORPOS ARE MAKING SHITTY SLOP GAMES AND I CANT HELP BUT NOT BUY THEM!!! SAVE ME GUBBERMENT!!! IM GIVING YOU FULL PREDICENT TO ENACT ANY AND ALL RESTRICTIONS ON MY HOBBY!!!!!
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>BUT THE LEGAL THO??????
Why are these fucking retards acting like a citizens initiative is meant to be the finished legal text? The entire point is to push this forward, and once the commission agrees it's a good idea THEN the lawyers will look at it and figure out the best way of implementation.
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>>737112292
>no answer
>>737112002
>I have yet to see an honest engagement with any criticism of SKG
Hey if you're still around, would you please explain what part of this is "honest criticism of SKG"?
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>>737112090
If the point of SKG was to be taken seriously in a court of law, then it would be on Ross and company to put forth concrete arguments instead of baseless virtuesignalling.
Baking in your own definition of buying a game is all fine and dandy when grifting to retards on social media, but simply pretending that there's no difference in buying a service and buying limited access to a service, in a court of law is something else entirely.
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>>737112234
Does this look like a functioning society to you?
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>>737112382
The EU commission isn't a court of law you dumb faggot. None of the citizens initiatives are finished legal documents. You're a clueless moron who is creating this shitty strawman to have "legitimate criticism" when in reality it just betrays you have no idea what you're talking about.
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>>737112382
>If the point of SKG was to be taken seriously in a court of law
It's not. The point of SKG is to inform the MEPs at EU of this issue and for them to protect European citizens from unfair practices by making a law that combats the issue
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>>737112382
>When the game shuts down and the publisher disallows further access, that money goes to waste and from my point of view, that's unfair, because the difference between "buying" and "licensing" at this point is semantics.
No worries. The EU is ready to crush this talking point into the dirt as well
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>>737112292
Always online DRM does not only impact shitty multiplayer games and everyone knows this. When the server goes down, your single-player only game will be unplayable forever because of this. SKG will end this practice. You lost.
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>>737110714
Well. All game producers wont be allowed to "kill" any game by cutting of server specific game needs to comnect to in order to work. If producer wants to shutdown specific server some game needs then they will have to release patch that removes "always online" from single player games or if game is mostly multiplayer then producer should allow people to host their own servers (how it was used in past)
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>>737112484
>The EU commission isn't a court of law you dumb faggot.
That's my point you subhuman e-celeb groupie. I was responding to a retard that was pretending that the opinion of a lawyer at the commision expressing support for SKG meant that no criticism could be levied at the initiative.
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>>737112525
They literally explained in the hearing that the vast majority of games violating SKG's principles are games made by big studios. In other words, indie games are either: Not online OR allow you to host your own game.
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This insistence reminds me of the massive retardation of Japanese people in regard to modding, when modding is pretty much a fundamental part of multiple popular titles and have sustained their life far beyond that of any "normal game" without mods. Like, there's multiple games that are pretty much moddercore, like STALKER, Doom/Doom II, Minecraft, Skyrim and so on.
The right to resurrect a game and the right to mod a game should basically be fundamental.
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>>737112658
You were making the case that SKG should be criticised because they don't have good enough legal text as a basis for the initiative. Citizens initiatives are, shockingly, created by citizens and their representatives, not lawyers. They're never structured in legal text because the fucking EU MPs themselves dont read legal text ffs. You're literally just bringing this up to have something to complain about that is ultimately completely pointless. I'm pretty sure you fit the textbook definition of a whiny contrarian who saw something people were supportive of and just had to find a reason to be negative about it. Next time instead of spewing this retarded drivel you could just not enter the thread if you're this fragile.
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>>737112525
>Stopping corpos from arbitratily deciding YOU DONT GET TO HAVE THIS ANYMORE and taking your paid for games away
>this is enacting "arbitrary restrictions on your hobby" and is a bad idea
Anti-SKG fags just cant help but suck corporate cock. It's why nobody takes them seriously,
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>>737112837
>You were making the case that SKG should be criticised because they don't have good enough legal text as a basis for the initiative.
No, that's not the case I was making you brainrotted retard.
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>>737112928
Private servers for local hosting are basically not even illegal (just like emulation), usually it's when the server hosters start raking in cash off of their servers that shitters like Blizzard come out of the woodwork to sue or c&d them, and they do it because it infringes on intellectual property to do that. As long as it's reverse engineered, taking care of the software for server hosting itself is literally trying to reverse precedent like the ancient attempts that led to the creation of GNU and as a result, Linux. That's why even after multiple C&Ds they haven't just struck down MaNGOS or TrinityCore and are basically just battling an eternal hydra of private servers trying things that they won't.
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>>737113473
>Industries should only make things that I want to buy!
Central planning is cringe. Liberal consumer choice is peak. You will never be women.
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>>737113734
>Why are companies still making sour cream & onion chips for others, when I only buy cheesy dust? This must stop!
Commie totalitarianism will lose as always.
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>>737114008
>YOU COMMIE!!!!
Imagine shilling for corporate moneymaking scams. I guess you decided to stop pretending you care about games seeing the thread is about to die but still, how does this not fill you with the utmost disgust?
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