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How did disco elysium portray the rural chud archetype so perfectly?
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>>737110667
He's not the chud, this was.
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>>737110667
Genuinely, do you think he had a problem with Kim or disliked him? I couldn't tell if he was just playing nice to a cop or was genuinely racist from only a "we are superior" or "all gooks have bad eyes, it's OK buddy" angle and didn't actually dislike him.
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Feasibly, how could the lorry drivers actually be able to live in that blockade while the company is waiting for things to resolve with the dispute? I doubt the companies would pay the drivers food and rooms while they're stuck out there, even if they slept in the cars they still have to eat and bathe?
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it was much more impressive that they convinced everyone that pic related is a mysterious beauty everyone wants to fuck and not an appalling troon
anons on this board literally still pretend it isn't a drawing of a troon, this must be the true power of marxism
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>>737114848
no this is
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>>737110667
I liked how they nailed the soulless EU bureaucrat archetype.
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>>737114848
For any cumboys out there, her original actress was Dasha Nekrasov's, Adam Friesland's ex fiancé. I wonder if so, how much of ZA/UM know or are into Cumtown, as the in-universe book character Dick Mullen clearly seems inspired and possibly copied by Nick Mullen (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIkvXoH28g0&t=304).
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>>737117307
I think you're definitely right. But at the same time, how are you supposed to convince Kim, who has only known you for a short time, that you aren't actually communist/racist/fascist/whatever when you go around single-mindedly agreeing with communists/racists/fascists/etc.?
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>>737116240
I think Moralism as a whole is the most insightful callout in the game.
It's the unnamed ideology of the center which reluctantly roleplays as socialist, liberal or conservative, but in truth despises them all. The center that only believes in price stability, incremental progress and maintaining the machine.
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>>737117605
I know at one point when talking to Measurehead and Kim pulls you aside, the option "let me just humor him" comes up at some point, only for Kim to warn you about going down a bad path. I think they clearly meant to address my thought process (pretending for the sake of buddy'ing up) and say it leads down a pipeline. If that dialog tree actually could be used to trust the player and mechanically turn off say the affinity answer checks for that conversation, maybe also promting the player with a similar "are you just saying this?" question each time could help that. I get that solution sounds clunky but surley we can come up with a good middle ground solution if I came up with that in 5 seconds.
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>>737114518
Any have that image of all the portraits lined up by background? How Titus' flag is crisp and vibrant. While his less convinced partners are more faded or tattered etc. A great detail I didn't quite get while playing
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>>737117984
My issue is that I wanted to be a strong centrist, and moralism didn't give me that, it gave me something close but not quite there. I believe matters should be examined case by case, I believe that Harry calling for backup from a higher national authority once seeing the signs of the murder and trade dispute very quickly growing out of proportion and beyond his control/scope was an appropriate step (if we overlook that he probably ignored protocol of going through the Jamrock precinct and also told his Special Crime unit to fuck off when he needed then most, the blood that spilled at the Tribunal is on his hands).
It acted like incremental change isn't sometimes warrented or the best solution forward, sometimes to properly examine an issue you need to study and pull data from it before you can formulate a route forward. Yes, stagnation and appeal to the tradition and status quo for the sake of helps nobody in theory, but the exact same can be said for constantly "progressing society" for the exact same dogmatic faith of the philosophy over a logical reasoning for the impact it will do. If such a clear path forward were evident I wager the people would fight significantly less about that path. I think the moralist route did illustrate the downsides of centrism and appealing to the status quo, but it also felt like it strawmanned itself by having people fetishistically caught in the weeds like Hermes and the bureaucrats from Futurama
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>>737113492
Take your meds, Iosef
>>737116240
He actually looks like someone from my Lodge, but with hair. The resemblance is uncanny
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>>737114848
Hey man, I just liked her smoky new VA voice.
https://youtu.be/WKpE2H3bf-E
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>>737122630
moralintern or cunoism
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>>737117016
Is she dead yet?
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>>737132604
Burke, the father of modern conservatism, has famously said
>A State without the means of some change is without the means of its conservation
In relation to that being ultra-traditionalist is also against conservative values.
But Macintyre also said
>Moral argument presupposes shared standards of evaluation. Where such standards are absent, debate becomes a clash of incompatible premises with no common measure.
So in this way, conservatism is only traditionalist in such a way that it is a rational and socially cohesive framework of which to progress with rather than against.
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>>737132061
but i live in a nice white area so i don't have to see minorities hardly at all (and admittedly my day is kind of ruined when i do), and why would you mention mcondalds of all things urbanite?
it's like you progressive twats go out of your way to prove every trope correct.
>oh my heckin blackerinos
>oh my goyslop
>i LOVE DIVERSITY
faaaaaggot.
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>>737110667
I like how this game had both the tiny-brained retard racist who can barely even articulate himself beyond stereotypes and memes, and giga-brained ÜBERRASSIST that goes on hour-long rants about haplogroups and phrenology. And if you try to approach the logic of the latter with the logic of the former, he just scoffs and calls that kind of thinking retarded.
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>>737133334
Good post. Is it pedantic to say that those on charge of [system], whether through being brought up, raised, and trained by the system or by being a member of the group that already upheld the system, that there will be a very low chance an administrator would ever find their own system anything but cohesive and rational?
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>>737135225
Measure head is definitely one of my favs, the extra dialogue you get with him is easily the best part of going a full facist route. One thing I don't see a lot of people pick up on is he is actually a minority group that was colonized by Revachol during its Monarchy. So he's closer to a black supremacist than a white supremacist for a real life equivalent. Most people's reactions when encountering him for the first time is "oh, this guy is like a Nazi. Got it."
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>>737136398
Nta, but only if the system does not encourage introspection.
Finding flaws is easy.
It is far more likely that an administrator will simply not CARE either way and will fall into a monotonous routine and reap the benefits.
The bigger issue is that lack of care, that dulling of the mind.
That is what will allow corruption and unchecked blind "progression" to fester and grow.
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>>737138987
Really? America loves to talk about being introspective and making changes when needed to the people yet all we're doing is stripping away privacy and enforcing property law to help the major corporations. I think America is huge with platitudes and saying how good it is to fool the people while corruption runs amok.
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>>737139195
True. And you just know it's because they couldn't bring themselves to actually write a White supremacist with any kind of moral complexity or ideological depth to him, because of what probably amounts to toeing the party line and some 'reasoning' similar to the one the Subnautica dev had for not including a gun in his game.
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>>737139257
its almost as if having a SYSTEM that encourages introspection and having one that encourages TALKING about introspection are two different things.
You are clearly retarded and just wanted to cry about america.
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>>737140097
No they arent lol.
People look far enough to find a flaw, and don't bother looking any deeper.
They just whine and bitch about it and follow any retard promising change that convinces them.
Common problem with communists in particular
They DESPISE the thought of bothering to understand a systems flaws enough to correct them without introducing new ones, and usually just want to run in and break everything with blind faith that they will find a solution.
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>>737113492
>always kind of assumed disco elysium was a game written by leftist retards without looking much into it
>play it in 2026
>it's more like it was written by people who are probably on an NSA/CIA/mossad watchlist for being beyond the left/right paradigm and aiming straight for the epstein class
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>>737122630
The rarest ending achievement that requires you to climb the statue is taken by going into the HARDCORE.
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>>737141035
No. "The third racist will be the special one" is something you and Kim talk about after meeting Racist Lorry Driver and Measurehead, then Kim specifically says "the third one really was the best" after you meet Gary.
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>>737141121
Touché
>>737141185
Your social skills have withered and you have less opportunity to build up social relationships
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>>737110667
It's a fantastical stereotype that's been drilled into the collective consciousness because of propagandistic media depictions like this. The writer is a Twitter commie and literal faggot so obviously he'd be familiar with the trope.
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>>737141004
So, if Measurehead is the third racist and Gary is the fourth, then the Lorry Driver must be the second, leaving the first as (you)/Harry.
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>>737140373
>epstein class
In other words, a way of saying jews without directly literally saying the word “jews” because the jews will censor you for saying they’ve blackmailed and controlled the U.S. through sex trafficking children.
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>>737140373
You got it twisted my son, it’s people who would make you think that’s the case but would happily suck the dick of the kind of sadistic pedo they lambast if he represents “their side” the idea that they are above it is but a lie which they want you to believe. They were the mask of the reasonable to make you believe that they are reasonable and you agree and follow until they take you beyond the point of which they show their true intentions but by they point you have invested so much and you can’t just say that they’re wrong without being made out as a buffoon and completely ostracized.
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>>737141659
Yes, it's the latest leftist euphemism to try and avoid being called racist while calling for the genocide of Jews. I dunno why they keep trying to hide it when double standards are at the heart of modern wokeist philosophy.
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We're forgetting the secret facist who doesn't make it a personality, Lilienne
She most likely got it from her husband
Evidence being:
Reveres the sun as if it were a deity (reminiscent of traditionalist pagan beliefs commonly associated with esoteric right-wing values, is also used to portray monarchists/fascists in the DE universe (Gary the Cryptofascist has a flag on his wall with the old Revacholian suzerainty's logo, which is a sun, and your own portrait adds a sun-like insignia in a Fascist run as well), likely connected to the black sun)
>names her skiff "The Sun"
>wields a sword (like the in-game royalists) (also like Mussolini)
>Shivers explicitly says she owns a pair of cavalry boots
>taught her daughter the word "revolutionary" (and yes, the definition of "revolutionary" used in DE also includes fascism, Call Me Manana calls you one if you choose fascist-leaning dialogue options)
>she's a no-nonsense working class citizen who's skeptical of the union, critical of the drunks around her, and infuriated with the delinquents and criminals in revachol
>titus says that the fishing village staunchly refuses to unionize, likely at the behest of Lilienne and the washerwoman
>Lilienne's daughter hums the overworld theme, which was a tune used by the Revacholian royalist forces
>successfully going on a date with her doesn't lead to her practically opening her legs for you, instead she sets boundaries and thanks you while considering a second bout later down the line to see if you can stick with your sobriety and piece your life back together
>esteems her family above all else
>immensely cooperative with the police, even with the knowledge of harry's recklessness and endangerment of multiple people, including and especially himself
>whereas the washerwoman calls the RCM a bad omen, Lilienne has splash dialogue that says she is relieved to see the RCM
>her outfit's color palette is the same as the revacholian suzerainty's flag (blue and gold)
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>>737113725
Kim is extremely out of touch with Revacholians in general which is why he finds himself othered. He’s a moralist working under the police force of a foreign occupying government and has no appreciation nor care for Revachol’s history. If he wore a sun flag and bought a fishing boat then people like the lorry driver and gary would respect him more. Renee isn’t even an Occident but he’s never a target of racial attacks because he fought in a war to protect the king and Revachol is undeniably his home.
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>>737142092
>Kim is extremely out of touch with Revacholians in general which is why he finds himself othered. He’s a moralist working under the police force of a foreign occupying government and has no appreciation nor care for Revachol’s history
In a thread full of dumb shit this has to be some of the dumbest. If you've played the game you've never spoken to Kim and you sure as fuck didn't get Aces High/Low.
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>>737141004
A third-rate racist: for a two-bit commie game
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>>737142769
We all do brother, we all do
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>>737143158
It's amazing how many commie haters don't know about that, yet somehow believe >>737143198 unquestioningly.
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>>737144209
not that anon, but the serious self-purging you are thinking of didn't start until the 30's, but there was a purge of about 1/3 of the government members back in 1920.
those purges were ideological though... I need to dig more
so basically that guy's chart is off in its title, but the numbers are accurate to 1920... and the first purge would not have messed with those numbers much.
The commissar numbers, for example?
THEIR purge didn't really happen until the BIG stuff by stalin in 1936 or so.
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and the same is true for the gulag commanders, btw.
their purge was all part of 1936 stuff.
same for the NKVD/secret state police.
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>>737144627
>The commissar numbers, for example?
Those are explicitly from 1918 as per their source.
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Those are from the 1930s, but the source is a Nazi, and the amount of 'main gulags' was 12, so it's 11 people.
Also, don't discount that people retire, die, get transferred, promoted, demoted etc even without commie purges.
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>>737114848
/v/ tastes are so weird these days, it's like anyone actually white is considered ugly just for being white
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>>737140373
It was written by actual leftists from the eastern bloc, which was the same background from which KGB agents were drawn to demoralize the west in the first place.
It is not "beyond the left/right" paradigm in any fashion, anyone who thinks this just mindbroken by the culture war and thinks a man who hates women, foreigners, faggots, and Jews can't be a hard-line communist.
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>>737145375
You're only allowed to talk shit without remorse if you're black, obviously.
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>>737145275
nobody said it was.
they started killing their farmers in 1930
stalin took power in 1922.
they were fucking everything up before that DURING their revolution.
are you some sort of ESL that doesn't understand that
>the BIG purges
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>the most damage
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>>737145459
Commies are just another flavor of kike
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>>737113725
Probably not hard fire hatred, more, petty passive aggressive. He's a slimy bully, but like a bully, he folds the moment anyone puts proper pressure on him, like Harry threatening to rape him to get him to talk about the Lorry Driver.
Otherwise, he's just a dead end trucker dealing with local bullshit while trying to get his job done.
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>>737145709
performative leftist dishonesty
soviet communism promoted feminism and dismantled the church
just because some commieblock slav calls you a pidor for having long hair doesn't mean they are conservative
conservatism is about white values, protestant values, the free market, and the constitution
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>>737145801
>reading comprehension
You don't have to repeat my point you retard.
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>conservatism is about white values, protestant values, the free market, and the constitution
kek American chuds are so uniquely braindead
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>>737145941
you are the braindead one nigger.liberals are leftist and support anti-american anti-christian politics. russia is semi liberal left like the soviets were, similar to the nazis and iran, which is opposing to conservatism which defends family and freedom in all countries. don't talk about politics if you have no understanding from outside leftist liberal youtube channels. kys
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>>737145897
you are confusing two things.
during the earliest early years, the height of the hysteria during the revolution, angry communists would just kill and steal from ANYBODY that had more things than them, unless they gave up everything they had.
a lot of kulaks were killed from that, but far from the majority.
Stalin issued a national BIG time official purge later on.
He would replace the kulaks with a slave caste (I am not joking) that were forbidden to ever leave their farmlands.
THAT would then fall apart 40 years later in the 70s, because the farms were so shit and the farmers so depressed that little was being produced.... including new slave children to work said shit farms.
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>>737145289
Nah it's weeaboos that want everything to be hentai proportions or go back to the 90s when marketeers pandered to pre-teens with horny sex ads.
Of course they'll deny this because they had admitting how shallow the excuse truely is. But that's what is be. I just know I'm the better man for not letting it live rent free in my head.
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>russia is semi liberal left like the soviets were, similar to the nazis and iran
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>>737116240
He and Moralism can be boiled down to "Just accept the status quo, don't rock the boat, and all is well. At least we're not Commies or Monarchists".
The big tell is the conclusion of Moralism's thought cabinet
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>game made by a bunch of unironic marxist white hating retards
>they lose the rights to the game and now a billion dollar corporation takes all the profits
HAHAHAHAHA GET RAPED BY GAY NIGGERS IN HELL LEFTOIDS
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>>737146738
>Trannies Trannies Trannies
Keep saying it, it just makes you look more dumber and shallow of a person. Just admit you want to move to Japan already just to oogle the local women without an ounce of care.
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>>737146796
It's lampshaded by a convo between Joyce and Harry. There is no "Disco" Option (Golden Ending). Martinaisse and Revochol as a whole is a broken place, propped up by people who won a war long ago, and currently has a atomic cannon aimed at the city 24/7, ready to fire, the moment someone says "Labor Rights".
The only honest ending is the one where Harry actually makes effort to forget and move on from his ex-something and do the best he can in what's left of the world and his life, before the Pale swallows everything in a quiet, solemn *gulp*.
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>>737147185
Ok
I know all this, I beat the game, I'm just reminding you and everyone else that the frame of references the game uses for communism, facism, and moralism are based around a broken world and thus aren't one hundred percent applicable to in irl real life
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>>737143012
>only post deleted by janny is the anti communist infograph
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>>737110667
The racist lorry driver is just a racism tutorial NPC.
He introduces the player to racism in the game's world, let's you partake in it if you want, let's you you know it may affect your relationship with Kim and Harry's politics, and that's it.
He's a very video-gamey character if you look at him from this perspective.
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>>737147596
???? pisses me off ????
I was arguing for what parts could have been accurate.
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/pol/niggers like you disappoint me because you all learn to stop thinking and just post incorrect halftruths or even lies out of laziness.
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>>737110667
No because Discord Trannysim demonizes anyone who isn't a faggy communist retard. It's a game made for redditors by redditors.
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>only the post calling out communists is being deleted
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>>737147814
Revachol is an economically impoverished archipelago that’s largely inspired by modern real world Estonia. It’s not like the area has that much draw for people to visit. “The world” may have more options, but Revachol certainly doesn’t.
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If you want a game that actually mocks capitalism and western society there are better options.
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>>737117984
Moralism isn’t about “believing” anything, but rather the opposite; it’s about people pleasing and abandoning strong convictions in order to fit in. The game will repeatedly clown on you for being a moralist because of how comically centrist it is. It’s also not a value system that resonates with any of the locals, as the only characters in game who adhere to it are both directly part of the moral-intern in some capacity and aren’t even from Martinese
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>>737128432
They were kind of like in the "anti-woke leftist" "dirtbag" left sphere, but yes, they've gone full right wing and hang out with Peter Thiel now
>>737131605
That whole scene is basically dead now. Red Scare sold out, Cumtown is gone, Chapo's best member had a stroke that makes him unable to speak properly so he quit and the other two guys basically just shit out low effort slop to grift the people who forgot to cancel their patreons.
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>>737146081
>russia is semi liberal left
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH....hhh..... hh.... ...hhhh..............*wheeze* AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH AHAHAHAHAHAH AINT NO WAY AMERICAN KEKISTANIS ACTUALLY THINK THIS SHIT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>737148978
Moralism CAN be about wanting to make positive change, but its something that needs to be calculated and carried out tempered. Nothing in the world can be a true pure positive without having downstream effects and consequences, befitting the masses is a balancing act that truly calls for measuring and calculating the potential risks involved, just as the Coalition woman says.
In the same way that capitalism, communism, and fascism can all become corrupt, so too can moralism in the sense where they seek to never improve anything and sustain themselves on the bounty their people amassed.
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