>>737122390
People born before the year 2000 are familiar with the arcade joystick & buttons, so it isn't a learning experience for them.

why are you listening to dumbass larpers? fgc is so fake and can't say anything intelligent because of their image bias

>>737122390
But it feels better. Stop being poor

Learning to do something? I better see what my favourite influencer thinks about it first.

>>737122390
No one is forcing you to buy anything, keep playing fightcade on your laptop's keyboard if you love it so much, no one is stopping you
Arcade sticks are for those of us who grew up playing at the arcades

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>>737122390
Using a stick is a lot less wear on your hand than using a keyboard

>>737122828
Like the vast majority of stick users, you've never been to an arcade until after buying your stick.

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They're fun.

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>>737122390
My favorite part about this was when people started using keyboards to play fighting games, everyone (including me) would tell them sticks were better. Then, this fucking thing got released, and it turns out button-based movement is objectively better than stick-based movement in a fighting game in every single way.

So keyboards were probably always better. Hilarious. The KB+mouse combo is undefeated by any controller

Arcade sticks are even worse than D pads for motion inputs, boomers just put up with them because muh arcade culcha.

I bought the Neo Geo arcade stick to play NeoGeo games. I bought the GameCube controller to play GC games. I bought the Vietual Boy adapter to play VB. Playing Goldeneye 007 or Mario 64 without an n64 controller is doing a disservice to yourself.

>>737122390
>Most pads are ass for 2D
>Most keyboards aren't ortholinear and are still trying to adhere to the typewriter meme + most people still use WASD or arrow keys instead of RAGE
It's just more ergonomic and feels better.

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Stickchads always get the girl.

>>737122390
>RELEARN EVERY SINGLE GAME
There's nothing to relearn, you already know how to use an stick because you spent your childhood playing in arcades already

>>737123460
doesn't apply to non-japanese

>>737122924
>Tranime

>>737122390
>why does a dead genre for fossils cater to fossils?
Also you're missing the forest for the trees. Motion inputs shouldn't exist in the first place.

>>737123284
A 2D game with digital movement definitely benefits from having each finger correspond to a movement direction mapped to a button. Nobody believes Mario 64 is better on a mouse and keyboard.

>>737123085
Quite the opposite i played at the arcades back in the day, once arcades died i bought a stick and never played at the arcades anymore (because they don't exist anymore)

>>737123085
There were still arcades when I built my stick.
You weren't even a sperm when I started going to arcades.

Even if you play in arcades when you practice at home you go back to the controller. When you play online youre on pc or console. At locals youre on pc or console. Doesnt really make sense to learn stick. Unless you really like to destroy a few confused old men in galloping ghost the single arcade left in america, who only vaguely remember playing sf2 back in the day anyway and they just want to play galaga and pac man with their kids but you want to harrass them

>>737122390
no one is forcing you to, you just want to feel special without putting in the work lil nigga

Psx killed arcades. One you could play fighting games at home in just good or better quality arcades became redundant.

Theres a reason we dont have phonebooths anymore either.

>>737123754
>brings up Mario 64 in a fighting game thread out of nowhere

That's not even the point but I bet it could end up better there too if autists cared enough

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The future is here grandpa.

>>737122390
Sadly the moment pads were allowed the cheating floodgates opened, since d-pad + analog stick allows broken movement tricks which dont exist on arcade stick.

Everyone should just play on a leverless controller by default now, ideally one with extra buttons you can map to the in-game "analog stick" for easier cheating potential. It's soulless but thats the genre since it got consolized

>>737122390
Sticks have become a mark of shame at our locals, we call them larp boxes because the people who play them talk mad shit then get humiliated in bracket. Even better when they say some shit like i could beat you in my kusoge, as if it mattered

And then you fight them in acr or vsav or 3s or whatever and stomp em even harder shits fucking funny as hell

Funny thing to is in japan, game centers have started adopting the hitbox layout. Its literally more common than levers now.

>>737123754
Then why is nobody breaking world records for shmups with keyboards

>>737123969
You claimed that a keyboard and mouse is a better input device than any controller. I gave an example of a case where it obviously isn't. This is obviously more relevant in a thread about input devices than you baselessly speculating that someone could do something that somehow made Mario 64 work better.

>>737123284
only for garbage games like sf6 where you can macro shit out of your ass and the only thing the game expects from you is react punish.

>>737124249
He is still right tho. Melee is firmly an "analog" game and cheatbox still managed to be better than normal controllers

>>737124021
Marvel 3 was horribly programmed where it was possible to just hold left on one and right on the other to block both ways. Just making it so you that doesn't work, like every other game, is a massive improvement.

Half the fun of fighting games is playing them on stick for me. The tactileness and the sound adds to the experience way more than just using a regular pad. Don't really care about any advantages it does or doesn't give, it's just more fun to use.

>>737123954
Dreamcast is when home console games surpassed arcades. Soul Calibur on DC killed arcades. Then the only reason to still go to arcades was games came out a year or two before the English home port

>>737124249
Than any controller (in fighting games). This is a thread about fighting games. OP directly references fighting games by saying "genre", singular. There is no internet argument you're going to win here except the one you invented in your head against yourself.

>>737124395
But no one owned a dreamcast lmao

>>737122390
>spend 200 bucks
The stick you posted is like $60

Nigga brought up soul calibur

>>737124021
who cares? videogames aren't a sport and keeping up this cyberathlete boxer/mma image has done irreparable damage to western fighting games. Thank god the new generation has their head on straight and actually values netplay and not give a shit about peripheral wank

>>737124597
And? Pad and kb are free, you stupid paypig arcade larper. You dumb idiot fucking soijak

>>737124369
same. i picked up stick a year ago and its way more fun. im never going pro anyway so it doesn't matter, if i was i would use cheatbox

>>737124654
Blame turd strike. The whole esports marketting scheme began there. It was a desperate shill campaign to revive sf. Ever thought it was odd that it happened just a few years before sf4 dropped? Strange...

>>737124745
Your pad and keyboard were not free

>>737124870
Everyone has a pad, dipshit, it came free with your fucking Xbox

>>737124870
Everyone has keyboard, dipshit, it came free with your fucking laptop

>>737122390
>wtf why do people like to spend money on their hobbies?????
it's more FUN to play on an arcade stick. though I've been wanting to try out a hitbox too

>>737124863
The original sf team didnt work on 3, they were moved to the alpha series. Thats why 3 sucked. Sf3 shilling has gotten worse than ds2 im sick of contrarians propping that shit up

You’re getting lots of shit, but you are right.
See: leverless is all the rage and even pros concede it’s superior. It’s loterally just a fucking keyboard lmao. It only makes sense to buy a stick if you’re a OG unc who learned to play in the arcades, otherwise it’s literally pointless.

thinking about making my own leverless because everyone decided gay ass fucking micro snackboxes are what everyone should be using and i want a big metal box on my lap. what buttons should i get, i've used sanwas only for years on all my arcade controllers even outside of fighting games

>>737125189
stick was always the inferior choice, pad is also just straight up better

>>737124397
Do you always just claim you meant something different than what you said when you're proven wrong? "The moon is small (if you're 10000 miles tall)." You can just reread what I've already said in the hopes that it might sink in the hundredth time. You posted in a thread about input devices saying that a certain input device always works better. I gave an example where it doesn't. The logical response is to realize you were wrong and not say that again.

>>737125270
depends, I find motions easier on Dpad but for multi button inputs it feels clunkier because of the usage of the shoulder buttons for 6 button fighters.

stick is cooler than pad and trannybox

>>737125113
Fgc has a LOT of posers also zoomers blindly praise all y2k crap, which is why they like mgs2, windwanker, and mario shitshine

They were toddlers at the time and vaguely recall seeing stuff that looked like it which makes it good automatically. Thats what happens when you have soijaks for dads who cant stop fucking glazing all the hasbro and cartoon and toy slop from their childhoods indiscriminately

When zoomer dont have childhoods of their own becauae they were raised on tablets, yet want to imitate their fathers....

You get this generation of larpers who pretend to play games, pretend to like games, but only spectate, watch lets plays, and goon while imagining themselves as the girls instead of fucking them

Zoomers are a lost generation if ive ever seen one

>>737125332
I referenced fighting games several times in my post. OP is clearly referencing fighting, too. You've lost your mind.

>>737125402
>When zoomer dont have childhoods of their own becauae they were raised on tablets
anon the oldest zoomer is like 29 years old. you are thinking of gen alpha, zoomers grew up in a pre tablet era with like the gamecube and ds and shit

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For me, its leverless.

>>737125402
29yo zoomer here, nobody had tablets back in the day, everything was flip phones or blackberry phones for rich people

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For as long as there are stick players winning tournaments or placing top 8 i don't want to hear anything about shitbox being superior to stick, maybe that day will come once all the old guard and 09ers die, but that day is not today, zoomer

i don't understand how leverless are 200 dollaroos when mechanical keyboards are 50

>>737125946
the ps5 board alone is like 60 bucks

>>737125946
>mechanical keyboards are 50
Maybe if you travel a decade and half into the past

>>737122390
>no tactical advantage
Do zoomers really? Esports ruined a generation.

>>737122390
Arcade sticks are tbfh much better and faster for SHMUPs than fighters due to the rapid movement flicks required: hitboxes are better for fighting games; you can't prove me wrong.

>>737125905
your eceleb and stick wank era is dying, old man. Fighting games are just videogames now just like it was meant to be

>>737125946
if it's a big metal box with arcade buttons and a ps5 pcb it can easily cost 200 dollars. you underestimate just how expensive arcade shit is especially when it's a niche product. keyboards have become a popular hobby so there is a market worth being cheaper for

Why the fuck were the OG Hitboxes so expensive in the first place? How did people not immediately recognize they were just a mechanical keyboard with only 12 keys

>>737126415
go look up the parts needed to make your own controller with a metal casing and youre gonna be surprised at just how expensive it is.

>>737122390
>200 bucks
You can make your own out of left over wood for less than 30. Skill issue.

>>737126065
At least mechanical keyboards only cost around $100 from a reputable seller and usually function and last WAY longer than a Snoyfag controller.

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>>737123754
Mario 64 is also my favorite fighting game.

>>737126759
Hate it or love it SM64 did gangbusters at the local arcade shit was bussin

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>>737123284

It's true. I'm an unc who grew up outside the big city and the only time I saw arcades were at the mall or beach. All my games were on PC and a few with a controller.

Fast forward a few years ago, I think "Why I don't try to get an arcade stick now? They looked like so much fun!". So I bought the stick in OP's pic and SSF2 on Steam.

I tried it for months and hated it. Arthritis style grip on the lever. The moves never came out consistently. Finally notice the game has a keyboard option. Switch over. Every single time, moves come out consistently, wrist isn't in pain anymore.

I might spend the money on a keyboard box, but yeah, they look cool in arcades but in reality they are underwhelming.

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>>737122390
If you don't understand it it's not for you. This is cutting edge for sweaties and for nostalgia fags.

>>737122390
That stick is less than 100 dollars.

>>737122390
Whats the stick with the biggest amount of buttons possible?

>>737127110
>wrist
Lmao, you're retarded, use your arm dumbass

>>737126592
has to be pc only apparently

>>737127110
you were holding the stick wrong then, go look at how the pros do it. Was your stick 8-gate or square?

>>737127250
He's right that buttons are just better than a stick for fightan though

>>737127110
>The cammy fag is literally pcfag and keyboardfag
You lost all your aura today
absolutely no respect for faggot like you
i bet you eat ass too

>>737127374
If that was true most championships winners would be button players

>>737127110
I bought some scuba gear, and wrapped my mouth around the pressure gauge instead of the mouthpiece. What a broken piece of shit.

What’s a good stick? Is the one from 8bitdo good?

>>737127549
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTGmg6uYXKc

>>737127549
peripheral wank demands you use sanwa/seimitsu parts like a complete autist

>>737127549
They are cheap as fuck and you get what you pay for. Is it a functional controller? Absolutely. Will you want to eventually drop the extra cash to upgrade the stick and button components? Absolutely.

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>>737124395
>>737124554
The Dreamcast itself didn't kill arcades, but it was a sign of the times. Arcades used to be super high end hardware that typical home systems could not match. Anything ported to the Genesis or Snes would take a noticeable hit in graphics. After the Dreamcast, that was no longer the case. There was nothing an arcade could do that made you think "my home console can't do that."

There was another factor around the same time: PC-based LAN gaming centers, which were huge in Asia and Latin America. PCs also got good enough to beat any arcade system, and paying per hour rather than credits was a better value.

>>737127796
Nigga what are you saying, they are not even cheap

>>737127856
>There was nothing an arcade could do that made you think "my home console can't do that."
What about those racing games with realistic motorcycle seats

>>737127481
People who buy these sticks are tryhards. ofc they will be at the top of the charts.

>>737127481
Hitboxes and some pads got banned in some tournaments. Why would this happen if they are inferior to sticks?

>>737128031
>Buy
Is the default input method for almost all arcade games. It literally comes with the cabinet

>>737123284
To be honest what makes the hitbox so strong in modern games are the more generous input buffers and the increased leniency on the command required for a special move to come out.

Back in the day you needed to really hit the diagonals, and that's the hard part on a keyboard/hitbox. Nowadays there are various shortcuts and you can input some nonsense and the moves will come out.

>>737127875
I suppose so. I guess my perception is just skewed since premium fightsticks are like fucking $300 these days

>>737127979
Mechanical parts aside, I meant graphics mainly.

>>737128150
>Why would this happen
Because it allows inputs that would be physically imposible to perform in the hardware the game was originally released for?

>>737127758
Didn't Shitbitdo's Arcade Shitter have sanwa parts thoughbeit? The Hori sticks seem good especially the PS5/4 ones and seem to be standard but there's no mention of how they are gated with the stick. Octa or Square?

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>>737127350

I think 8-gate, but I tried, I really did. I tried every grip, wineglass grip, baseball grip, honestly the best that worked was with my fingers but they all felt awkward.

>>737128172
sorry unc we don't live in the 90s anymore.

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>>737128486
There's no excuse at this price point.

Why would i go to an arcade to hopefully find 1 nigga to mash with whos either gonna be way weaker or way stronger than me

Why would i go to an arcade when the controls will be fucked up, where i cant pick the game, where all the games are old, where i have to pay a quarter every play, where im forced to use a stick, where im forced to put up with delinquents and criminals and minorities

>>737128336
So buttons are better which causes them to be banned, thanks for agreeing. And that would explain "muh champions" mostly being stick users since other options may be banned.

>>737128474
>wineglass grip, baseball grip
Did you tried handling the stick the standard way instead of trying to handle it in some flashy dogshit way?

>>737124745
Just because you stole your keyboard and controller didnt mean they didnt cost money you disingenuous faggot

>>737122390
Actually my arcade stick is $400 and made of thick aluminum

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>>737128673
So you are admitting you are 1: gay, 2: black, 3: pussy, 4: bitchless, 5: beta male?

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>>737124980
>>737125043
>Part of a paid package
>Thinks its free

>>737129063
All games on xbox gamepass are free by the way

>>737122390
Stay mad faggot, stick is the best feeling thing in the world and if you disagree you'd just fucking pathetic and gay.
I can't even call you brown, because brown countries also love arcade sticks.

>>737128945
>>737129063
He means free as in every gamer already owns a pad and or keyboard so you wouldn't need to buy one. You stick faggots are so retarded.

i play chud strike with my membrane keyboard

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>>737127549
It looks fine if you just want to see whether you like the layout. I started with a much cheaper piece of junk, but eventually went for something sturdier/heavier so it doesnt move around on your lap. Sanwa buttons feel good, I like the heavier seimitsu sticks, but you don't need to get too deep into that autism off the bat.

There are a bunch of used sticks floating around ebay that aren't too pricy too. Anything for the ps3 should just plug into your PC, maybe you'll need a driver you can search for.

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>pick keyboard
>learn to jump on space instead of W to decrease travel time
Done, you're now playing optimally without wasting a single cent more

You should only buy a hitbox if you're going to local tournaments where people use consoles

>>737129417
PS3 has a lack of support on PC a lot of the times as they are Xinput favoring type of thing. The best bet is PS4 and PS5 as those controllers work right off the bat with Steam. Only Switch input is a miss mostly.

>>737129417
>so it doesnt move around on your lap
Nigga just put the stick on your desk... Are you retarded?

>>737129706
I have a nice couch

>>737129814
Fucking casuals, get out of my board you normalfaggot

I started playing fightans on pad, it sucked, bought a 6 button, it broke, finally bought a nacon daija and I've sunk 2k+ hours on different fighting games I'd never touch unless I played stick. I've never set foot in an arcade and it took me like 6 months to be proficient with it. It's a very fun controller. Nobody cares what controller you play with, btw, you shouldn't listen to retards (the FGC) in the first place.

>>737122390
Who said you have to spend $200? There are far cheaper sticks out there

>>737122390
I own one and barely use it. I should sell it because it's shit compared to controller and buttons.

>>737129371
Still not free. You're the special kind of retard that thinks he's getting a deal out of buy one get one half off sales at the supermarket when you only intended to buy one thing

>>737122594
fpbp
for me, playing fighting games on KB or gamepad is the "relearn"
and you really don't need the fancy 200 dollars fight sticks, i've been using the F101 from Mayflash for 5 years now and i paid 60 dollars for it on release.

>>737130297
>Still not free.
Option A- Play video game with a device I already have. No additional funds depleted
Option B- Play video game with a new expensive device I do not own. Funds are depleted to do this

Option A and B are equal cost according to retards like you lmao.

>>737128589
Yea there is.
I can use that money to pay for a ladyboy in Thailand.

>>737130161
>Who said you have to spend $200? There are far cheaper sticks out there
Those <=$200 sticks are shit. SHIT.

"You get what you pay for" adage applies to sticks.

>>737130993
You did not receive anything free of charge

>>737131158
wrong, anything past $150 is purely cosmetic. There's always a diminishing returns point in economical equations.

>>737131181
Yes piggy pay up for a device whenever you get a new game. Nothing is free right?

>>737131158
read >>737130861
been using it for 5 years, never had an issue

>>737131535
anything past 150 and you should be thinking about just getting one commissioned or making it yourself

>>737131842
Exactly what I was saying.

>>737131787
You bought the controller you're reusing. Don't call it free

>>737128589
>cost 3x more where I live
I hate this clown world.

>>737132626
just buy it from picrelated instead of buying it where you live

>>737132626
>Outs himself as a chink.
lol. How's communism benefitting you there lil bro?

>>737129920
>hey dude, want to run some sets
>sure... um... let me just uh... move some of these cups out if the way... i think there's a chair in the kitchen you can use...

Couchchads win again, deskucks in shambles

>>737122390
>Mayflash
FUCKING LOL. Trash brand. I go with Hori almost every time.
I'm a regular controller warrior when it comes to fighting games, but for shmups, I use an arcade stick, especially for bullet-hells; much easier to tap-dodge.

>>737122390
I bought and use one because it's fun to use. It just feels right. Wish I got to play at arcades back then. And it's easier on my hands compared to a controller. I

>>737132932
>yeah sure no problem, I don't even need help with lifting the shit down here bro.
Couchfags lost. How to retort without sounding mad?

>>737132687
>chink
>high prices
Retard.

I built a leverless but the buttons are flipped so directions on the right hand, I like it a lot.

>>737133808
I've only heard chinks complain about high prices before. Which shithole are you from then? Australia? Middle East?

>>737122390
i play mishima and keyboard hurts my left hands fingers, too much impact on the joints

>>737134337
Republic of Kekistan

>>737134675
I never had this issue on a mechanical.

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>>737122390

Why is people being able to buy things so upsetting to fags like OP?

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>>737127549
Here are the best options in order:
1. Used stick with sanwa or seimitsu parts
2. New stick with sanwa or seimitsu parts
As far as I know, the cheapest brand new stick you can get with them is Qanba Titan (current gen) or Mayflash F300 (not current gen compatible)

Don't bother with an entry level stick, just buy used instead.

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>>737122390
fighting games including the slop released today were designed to be played with sticks. holding forward had some inherent risk of walking into a well timed poke and costing your life lead due to a 5 frame gap on average between pressing forward and holding back. with leverless/trannybox you never have to worry about that since block is near instant. this type of blocking forces the type of conservative, risk-adverse neutral that you would only witness at the highest levels during sf4s days. it turns out shrinking the skill ceiling in order to give every timmy access to that type of playstyle makes everyone crash out and hate the game overall. thats expected when you listen to retards and casuals that want to identify as good with minimal practice instead of gatekeep.

fighting games used to be thought of as the pinnacle of skill based gaming because of the high bar of entry sticks gave it. nobody normal genuinely likes these games past the lingering surface impression they are still somehow an epic hardcore gamer genre carried by evo moment 37 and its long dead arcade roots.

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do you zoomzooms SERIOUSLY pay hundreds of dollars instead of soldering the 20 cent buttons to a controller board salvaged from a controller with a wrecked stick and drilling holes in an acrylic sheet to mount them to? lil bros, do you not have access to a small garage quality drill press? Do you not have a set of hole saws?

>>737124021
Any decent leverless have SODC retardo, even keyboards now.


Also emulators block those inputs by default anyway.

>>737123085
I was born in the 90s when going to an arcade was a treat. Now I am an adult where going to barcades is a treat. I don't use fightsticks because I don't like how using the sticks feels, but I will stand by them instead of an insufferable faggot like you that strictly wants to win an argument and pretend that nuance doesn't exist.

>>737135625
Post your garbage dump stick instead of a frog then faggot

>>737134675
Tekken movement on left hand for leverless/keyboard honestly sucks, my ring finger is not strong enough for that.

>>737135614
>Most tops use stick or regular console controller

Shitter cope.

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>>737135816
you're move

>>737136604
lo and behold the frogposter uses a trannybox, imagine my shock

>>737136696
I also have a stick it's just still mounted to an earlier, failed all wood prototype

>>737135721
I'm not talking about those exploits. Just being able to go from any direction to another direction in 1 frame. Arcade stick can't do that

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These are my weapons of choice for shmups.

>>737136583
Leffen, best Strive player, uses a stick with extra buttons to basically make it a leverless (can hold right on the stick and then instantly hit a right button, etc). He uses a leverless for 2XKO, where he's also arguably the best playuer
Menard is on pad, Punk is on pad. And pad is superior to stick and capable of cheating so idk why you think your point supports stick

Almost no top players are on stick. Daigo switched to leverless as well, not that he's relevant, but a good example of how even the oldest player will switch if they actually wnat to win

>>737137047
I'm not a fightan fag. I'm stickcurious for shmups and beat 'em ups

>>737137217
leffen hasn't been the best player in strive for years he keeps getting washed by jpgawds

>>737137424
Get a Hori. I like Sanwa buttons a lot more than their hair-trigger Hayabusa buttons (I tend to rest my fingers on buttons not in use) but love the Hayabusa lever. I swear by it. Hence why I modded my Qanba Crystal (middle in the photo) with a Hayabusa lever. Stock Qanba levers are alright but Sanwa or Hayabusa are better imo. I don't have much experience with Seimitsu parts so I can't speak for them.

>>737137034
Most people aren't going do those stupid ass micro walks and online make most fluff irrelevant either way. Tekkenfags would rather use a full keyboard either way.

>>737122390
>"ARCADE AUTHENTIC"
True, if you play an arcade game on anything except an arcade stick, you didn't beat the game

>>737137595
Is the Hori mini a good entry level stick? The only other cheaper one I'm aware of is 8bitdo's but that's like $20 more than the Hori mini

>>737137863
If you don't mind a smaller stick in your lap/ on your desk. A few years ago I would have recommended a Qanba Drone since they were under $80 but they've been out of production for a while now. You're good with pretty much anything except Mayflash. Trashy brand. Do your research if you want to go Hori since (like I mentioned) the Hayabusa buttons are extremely sensitive. Like I mentioned, I swear by Hayabusa lever and Sanwa buttons. (or stock Qanba buttons in the instance of my Crystal, because I like the blue LED gimmick)

>>737138134
whats wrong with mayflash

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>Chinks make controllers affordable with far more fluff than whatever brand or console ones.

Wew.

>>737138198
They're just shitty, with limited game and hardware compatibility. Maybe do some research, I haven't looked into them for at least a couple years so maybe things have changed.

>>737138134
I have no reference for any of this so modding levers and buttons isn't something I'm gonna do in the short term. I don't know if I would prefer a smaller or bigger stick. Might pick the mini up on amazon and just return it if I don't like it

>>737138350
>They're just shitty
whats so shitty about them

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>>737138572
As much as I hate to admit it, google's AI overview for the topic sums it up pretty well.

>>737128253
>and that's the hard part on a keyboard/hitbox.
this is literally the opposite of true
it's quite literally the actual best part of leverless, that hitting diagonal inputs is so trivially easy and repeatable without mistake

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>had to stop using stick because it was fucking up my wrist

>>737137217
its pointless arguing placements with a trannybox user because the goalpost will then switch to ‘learn to adapt’ without a hint of self awareness how stick hard filtered 99% of them from micro stimming in low forward range

>>737138825
>it's quite literally the actual best part of leverless, that hitting diagonal inputs is so trivially easy and repeatable without mistake
this has nothing to do with leverless and more so the fact that modern games lets you skip inputs, leverless in older games that don't have the leniency actually have a big problem with not being able to hit diagonals

Levers are basically maximum SOVL for any sort of arcade play and can be very competitive in any fighting game.

>>737138825
This depends heavily on SOCD clearing and how both the game , the controller, and any human made rules (ie tournaments) permit it. Some older games like the later SF2 and many SNK games that had complex inputs were designed for a stick where you literally couldn't pull down and up at the same time, back and forward etc.. so that would make it absolutely trivial to input some supers on all button/hitbox , because it wasn't there to tell the player "Uh..no that shouldn't be possible so we're not going to let it happen", and instead let you basically hold down and back, at the same time while also pressing forward etc.

Ultimately there is some benefit to it and these days more modern games and controllers that are not chinkoid cheatboxes have a PCB that adhere to a handful of SOCD clearing methods to keep things on a more even field

>>737139441
it isn't the ability to hit diagonals, it's because any wonky inputs at all, like inputing 426 simultaneously while trying to do hcf will ruin the input or have unpredictable results because that input is physically impossible on a stick and the old arcade game wouldn't have been programmed to handle it.

>>737122390
Stick is way more fun and cool, also you posted a 60 dollar stick retard. It really didn't take long at all for me to be just as good using the arcade stick, and now I'm worse when using gay pad.

>>737140614
>the balls for the first seven buttons, then Shenron for the last button
SOVL

>>737139441
>leverless in older games that don't have the leniency actually have a big problem with not being able to hit diagonals
lol? its called learning how to piano, like every stick user did to main sf4 ehonda and combo into h.hhs. it doesnt matter though because you said yourself newer games have extreme input leniency, and older games the trade off of one special move having a modicum of difficulty for pisseasy IADs and wavedash movement is nothing to cry about.

this is just you self snitching as being a fundamental shitter by making up a downside.

How can I print out custom art without going through companies like FA? I want to style up my F500 flat.

>>737138134
>>737138350
Ok, but if I'm just dicking around in ASBR and P4AU offline, should I bother with anything higher tier? I got a Mayflash recently, but it's still well within the return window.

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I play on one of these that I picked up from a Microcenter for like $70. I like it.

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>>737143296
I'd personally recommend getting a Hori, Razer, or Qanba (larger variety of any of those brands, since the smaller sticks have very "claustrophobic" interiors and may not allow for lever/button swapping). I'm not a fan of Razer mice but they make great sticks. I'd foremost recommend Hori, but if you're not savvy/ confident about unscrewing and opening one up, the Razer Panthera is excellent because pic related. Like opening up a car hood. I'm not sure if there are any Panthera models without this feature, I'm Googling to fact-check myself and I see an " (original) " in the results. But a good friend of mine rest his soul had one and it was pretty neat. I believe you can still find them in the $150-200 range. And 200 is cheap in the world of quality arcade sticks, but more often than not, (again, do some research, check some reviews) you get what you pay for.

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>>737143296
Also, if you ever decide to dive into the world of building from scratch, save this image. It helped me wire my first stick.

>>737143716
I bought one of these but replaced the square gate with a octo

I don't care about being optimal I just thinking jerking off the stick is fun and riding an octo gate is fun

>>737139818
>have a PCB that adhere to a handful of SOCD clearing methods to keep things on a more even field
>paying $100+ dollars for a controller with built in nerfs to its capabilities

Are fighting game fags the biggest cucks in gaming? Imagine paying $100 dollars for a gaming mouse that has nothing but slightly worse controls compared to a normal mouse.

>>737127170
fuck you that was one of the best joysticks I've ever played with, unfortunately it isn't compatible with modern USB and also I kinda destroyed mine in rage back in the day, not that it really matters.

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>>737122390
Went with a 'snackbox' as they used to be called, aka small leverless that's almost the size of a handheld. Despite saying I'd never get one due to having big hands it actually feels really comfortable to play. I'm also an idiot that enjoys blinding lights on his peripherals because that I can't get my brain out of the 90s so take of that what you will. Oh and I have a Mayflash stick for 3D fighters because my brain can't comprehend that shit on a leverless.

>>737144003
>>737144152
Like I said, I'm not exactly planning on playing the hottest new fighting games, I just want to keep to myself and enjoy my fanservice games offline. That being said, I really don't like how close my hands are on the F500 Flat are, so I might consider just building one myself.

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>>737122390
i bought this stick and then put Sanwa parts in it.

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>>737140881
A similar model from around the same time. Both are using a fuckawesome Made in USA niche chassis called a Panzer.

>>737145874
The guy who makes them has been doing good stuff for the FCG for ages, too. He's responsible for all of the custom conversion mods to allow many other sticks to be upgraded to Brook boards, as well as the Panzer line of cases. He's the kind of guy I think anons should support as opposed to bargain basement china slop.

>>737145162
Gotcha. In that case, I'd still just recommend any Hori, Razer, or Qanba. Would still say to get a wider one that goes across your lap.

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The future is now
https://youtu.be/8wH3hiJEzKQ

I fucking hate leverless and would go back to my stick if it weren't for modern fighting games' retarded push to use as many buttons as possible.
The regular 8 button setup is not enough, I need thumb buttons.

NO U DONT GET IT LEVERLESS IS THE MOST CHUNGUS WUNGUS CONTROLLER EVAAAR

IT JUST NEEDS LIKE 14890 EXTRA BUTTONS FOR THE MACROS

AND IT ONLY WORKS IN MODERN GAMES CAUSE THEY LET YOU USE MACROS

AND IT BARELY FUNCTIONS BECAUSE SAID GAMES WITH MACROS REQUIRE NO EXECUTION


AND THERES SUCH A HUGE FUCKING DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE CONTROLLER AND THE PLAYER SO IT FEELS LIKE YOU ARE PLAYING ON A KEYBOARD

BUT TRUST ME ITS THE MOST CHUNGUS WUNGUS HONKER CHONKER CONTROLLLER

All the top pros use stick

Leverless players are all losers

>>737146838
>play on stick because my favorite eceleb used them in a tournament!!!1
this is how low the western fgc has gone

>>737147110
sorry i meant to say leverless also i'm trans but not sure if that's relevant

>>737147201
>play on stick because ricky ortiz and gllty used them
lmao

>>737146838
Caps lock is cruise control for cool.

>>737122390
I only used my fullsized corsair k70 keyboard in tekken 8 and im blue rank with victor

>>737128679
Buttons were only banned until SOCD cleaning got sorted out. It had to do with inputs that wouldn't have been possible otherwise, and the issue hasn't existed in years. Hence why all buttons haven't been banned in years.

>>737123284
what is better about this than a decent keyboard + a few autohotkey scripts

>>737149848
Nothing just the shape and buttons, you can even swap switches. But is not a keyboard since it uses xinput for sake of console compatibility.

>>737136604
The edge doesn't look comfortable, might as well build an stick with razor blades. Whoever worked on that screw didn't give a shit about aesthetics

>>737122390
Skill issue.

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>>737122390
I actually play on Dualsense but the d-pad is kinda annoying for diagonals (especially on block, I have to press down back really hard to be sure).
Are there any other good pad?

I gave leverless a good shot, and I wish I could stick with it, but I just cannot for the life of me do QCB supers on them. Really anything that requires quick double inputs or use my ring and pinky in a fast motion. My index and middle finger are so much faster and move smoother. Sucks cause I liked it but I think I'm heading back to lever. Think I'm gonna grab a Nacon Daija and slap some Gravity's on em. You guys care about switches in your sticks at all?

>>737123591
Anime website

>>737151491
Slide or piano around also abuse SODC, modern fighters have lazy ass input reader.

Adapt or die mfs when someone uses a controller they don't like

>>737122390
The choice input method is mainly just preference and comfort. You get results with a pad or stick or leverless if you put in the work. Any other potential advantage doesn't matter if you don't have fun playing on something.

>>737122390
There's no reason to buy a stick to play fighting games outside of being raised on it.
If you want to get into fighting games today, hitboxes are clearly superior.

>>737150571
I've been dicking around in KoF using the Dualsense and it's pretty good, but from my experience the pads start to wear down and get mushy from continuous use. Hasn't happened to the one I'm using yet, though.

>>737150571
I think I shilled it in a another thread but I really like Flydigi's controllers for fighters. The Vader 5 Pro is my current pad and has been serving me well this year. It's a tactile d-pad so there's an audible click when you press directions. Motions are smooth and each direction feels accurate. It is PC only so you will need an adapter of you go to locals
>hori octa
I have the wired octa. It's not as bad as people made it out to be. Plus mulitple people made it to top 8 of EVO with it last year. My one complaint was it was too small for my hands and I kept fat-fingering the buttons. I know that's more of a personal problem than anything else.

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The real reason why you should play on an arcade stick (or leverless controller) isn't a tactical advantage. The reason is because the parts are non-proprietary (besides the PCB).
>30mm & 24mm buttons (push-in or screw-ins) are made by numerous manufacturers
>you can get normal or silent or convert normals into silents afterwards
>different button layouts (vewlix/namco noir/sega 2p/etc)
>levers are made by numerous manufacturers
>can adjust the tension in the sticks to your comfort level
>you can use ball tops or bat tops or screw a big black dildo onto it
>square gates/octagonal gates/circular gates
>you can customize the art on the cases (not all but many)
>you can make your own case out of practically anything
When shit breaks you can replace it relatively cheaply. A new lever costs ~$30 & 8x 30mm buttons costs ~$25. And if you're primarily a PC player, good news. That shit will come with you to every new PC you build for years and years. No need for adapters, just a spare USB port.

>>737155160
This is the ticket, I'm still using a HRAP3 I got in 2007 and put in Sanwa buttons shortly afterward and the only major update I've done to it is putting in a Brook PCB; it did involve some dremeling so I could put in a new 3D-printed front panel with some 10mm buttons off Amazon but I could still use the existing USB cable

>>737154359
>mushy pad
Yeah that's our destiny as pad player sadly.

>>737154376
Yeah, Chikurin from Tekken 8 won EVO Japan and did 3rd place at EVO 2025 which is pretty good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QTD5kQQdI0