>>737128362
>WoW has some of the best PvP in the industry.
Now it just needs economy and worldbuilding. I'm tired of pretending that BOP and BOE are anything less than linear treadmill gameplay that's only relevant because there are new players, and where's the fighting over resources and zones?

>>737128362
0% of people who say wow has good pvp have ever played pvp in any other game

>>737130076
OSRS has the best PvP for MMOs right now, imo. Little bit of skill, little bit of luck, full loot where if you risk more you are stronger is the ideal PvP system.

>sixth daily 'organic' WoW thread disguised as an MMO thread
yawn

>>737130076
What do you have in mind?

>>737130372
Do you think I don't want to talk about the genre because I mentioned WoW?

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How did the French manage to make the best MMORPG of 2026?

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>>737129915
MMOs seem as if they have a long way to go. It wouldn't even be hard to make a game that people can play all day, every day, but everything either detracts from or adds to quality. Stop it with leveling, bind-on, and gold repairs for equipment. Historically, like 15% of characters make to level 25 in WoW.

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>>737132454
>Stop it with leveling
This is a big one. People don't want to be in a tutorial for dozens to hundreds of hours, not to mention massively segregated from players and actively obsoleting 90% of the world.

wanna have a good mmo thread? don't use as op pic an unironical pride parade game

>>737134685
>wanna have a good mmo thread?
The bot that makes these threads is only interested in advertising WoW, not actually discussing MMOs.

>>737135630
>YOU'RE BOTTING AND ADVERTISING.
Jesus, dude.

>>737128362
Shilling WoW PVP of all things.
Bro. You aren't scraping the bottom of the barrel, you are excavating monolithic rock under it. Dumb hopelessly addicted retard

>>737136234
I haven't subbed to WoW in years. Not a rebuttal, BTW.

>>737128362
>tab target still has a lot of life
based. tab target action bar combat is hugely underrated and unfairly derided. even for PVE it's good, when you lock into a well flowing rotation it feels amazing. and it's one of the best ways to simulate having a large toolkit of spells and abilities. I wish it wasn't basically just confined to MMOs, it would be a great system for a single player RPG too.

Bump.

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>>737136519
I wish somebody would make a combo + combo rating system like DFO.

>>737134354
this artstyle fucking sucks

>>737140538
It's pretty good when fighting a bunch of monsters.

>a thousand lively worlds to explore
I miss it, bros...

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>>737128362
>Some of you may not want to face it, but tab target still has a lot of life
I dont have an issue with tab targeting, nor do i have an issue with action combat, as long as they are executing properly.
I think Tab targeting is only bad really in PVP.
>WoW has some of the best PvP in the industry.
Eh, as i just said, I have largely grown apathetic to MMO PVP.
Was most fun for me when GW2 first came out, but also grew stale quickly.

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>>737146562
So funny that the widespread use of the internet is actually what killed the old school MMO.

>>737146619
There being more convenient and easier means to catch up with friends and make friends did.

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>>737140485
we've had a lot though? they're just all dead or dogshit

>>737132076
i tried playing this with a bunch of 6 friends and they all flaked out after the ice island with all the cancerous mechanics like "lmao you gotta make mobs collide into eachother or you do 2 damage" "lmao fucking skeletons won't fucking stay dead and just block this square for fucking ages". not even halfway to level cap btw.
it turned out the game is impossible to play when you're down 3 people so the rest of us just quit too

how the fuck is this the "best mmo" when people can't even stomach getting to level cap? fuck off dude

>>737147923
game was more fun when it had player ran governments, but that got ruined by one faggot unfortunately

>>737147997
unfortunately i have no idea what that entails since we all just joined the faction with the most territories for the wisdom/prospecting bonuses and never interacted with that system again. the mayor was a third worlder posting announcements in his third world language anyway so none of us gave a shit

>>737140538
It's AI generated. So yes you're right.

Honestly Warhammer age of reckoning was the only good pvp mmo
And I guess honorable mention to conan.

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>>737146924
There's not much better than playing with each other in a shared daydream.

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>>737148895
Dungeon Fighter has been around way longer than AI.

>>737149140
Poetic.

>>737128362
I haven't kept up with WoW in so many years. Have they added an actual troon yet?

>>737130372
He didnt even mask it by not saying the "WoW has the best X in the industry!" line he constantly uses.

>play a non-tab target mmo
>it's dogshit
>play a tab target mmo(FFXIV)
>its really fun but it's content cycles are boring and they've conditioned the playerbase to be content with being drooling retards

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WoW wonned in the mmo department
Stay forever seething.

>>737149276
what level of retardation are you on

>>737151105
It looks really good, especially for a 2004 MMO.

>>737148291
used to be able to outlaw shit like trading with other factions or hunting specific mobs to prevent extinction or enforcing a limitation of woodcutting to prevent permanent deforestation, but a guy outlawed virtually everything possible in his faction to prevent people from doing anything

>>737151105
back in the day sure, but it's kind of bland and lame without the soul that made the early days of the game meaningful, the death of game forums and in-game socialization is what killed the MMO genre so all we get are shitty WoW-likes/"killers" or unbearably samey korean shit

>>737153568
I just don't think even vanilla is a very good game. People see through the leveling. People have been complaining about questing and mob grinding for years.

>>737147698
Horde bias

Draenei futanari x loli. Is there a better pairing?

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>>737151105
WoW wonned the most homosexual, the most transexual, and the most furry award.

>>737128362
Just play guild wars 2 like normal human being

>>737156172
But the Horde starting zones look like shit, other than Mulgore.

>>737148291
>>737147997
>>737147923
why are you talking about Wakfu? Dofus is the best MMORPG.

>>737149140
Why is a paladin using a two hander and a tank shield?

>>737159546
Tirisfal Glades is kino

>>737161685
Looks like shit though. Silverpine is much much better.

>>737156021
The leveling experience is great, there are very few games with similar scope of world, diversity and quality of environments, and worldbuilding. Classes are unique and have meaningful progression. There's tons of shit to do, different paths to choose, and secrets to find. There are definitely some annoying filler quests, frustrating drop rates, and level ranges with not enough questing content, it's not perfect by any means, but for the most part it's pretty damn good.
The problem is a combination of people viewing endgame as the real content and therefore see leveling as something to be optimized which detracts from what is best experienced as something slow and immersive. And also the fact that people have done it so many times that it's just gotten stale. I love vanilla leveling, but it can burn you out, it's something I can only do once every few years. But there are people who have been playing it non-stop and have probably leveled upwards of 100 characters at this point, at least. At a certain point it wears thin.