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>News
MGQP part III has finally been released. Further information here https://www.dlsite.com/maniax/work/=/product_id/RJ01114724.html
READ THE LINKS CAREFULLY
https://pixeldraincom/u/4ek8KWa6 (3.01 Raw)
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https://pixeldraincom/u/f2mDYcL6 (3.05 Raw)
https://pixeldraincom/u/pePcyBvE (3.06 Raw)
https://files.catbox.moe/s749a9.zip(3.04 BobMTLV 2.1.3) (You can use this patch any version of 3.04)
https://pastebin.com/3CiEGJRY (3.04 Prepatched Manuel Edition 2.13 + QoL, read the EMME readme)
Innocent Rules has been fully translated
NEW Youmaen has finally been fully translated : https://mega.nz/file/5Z1QnDZQ#4fFLCwIIP5xWrs0e8xVptgGHnmYOx8qNY37-PiWt Hmc
SHRIFT II 2.56 has been mostly translated https://mega.nz/file/KIEAnAAR#gZSP8wYdutRThD3wJkcd1L2mPTgpzUdPyKzdVG4B OKw
New MGQ Wiki: https://mgq.miraheze.org/wiki/MonsterGirlQuest_Wiki
New MGD Wiki: https://monstergirldreams.miraheze.org/wiki/Monster_Girl_Dreams_Wiki
Japanese MGQ Wikis: https://seesaawiki.jp/mqp/
Three Charms Lonesome Spirit collab translation has been updated; Link: https://arch.b4k.co/vg/thread/435693950/#q435711784
Game guides and resources: https://pastebin.com/D8Bn18pQ
You can get the latest translation of the Paradox Part 3 Demo translation files from ArzorX's Bitbucket:
https://bitbucket.org/ArzorX/monster-girl-quest-paradox-translation-pa rt-3/downloads/
You can get the Part 3 Demo files directly from Fanza here:
https://sample9.dmm.co.jp/digital/cg_game/d_310859/d_310859t.zip
You can read a guide on how to apply the patch at ArzorX's Blog here:
https://arzorx.wordpress.com/2019/08/11/how-to-manual-patch-the-game-w ith-the-recent-translations/
Get the /mggg/ canon as well as apocryphal savefile for Paradox here (Part 3 ready):
https://catbox.moe/c/wa18jy
Tiny Improvements + BobMtl for 3.06/3.05/3.04,Ultimate Magical Girl Bug Fix.
https://pastebin.com/w87i82zP
ToroToro Resistance's blog:
https://ci-en.dlsite.com/creator/4710
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nta but from what I can tell the only map I've seen so far that's truly pre-made was the entrance of the Ilias Temple, which explains why it never seemed to really line up to the entrance with the guards to me. However he definitely did make a lot of the maps himself; even other maps that were based on a template (like the goblin caves to make the bandit hideout) were heavily modified and changed around so as to be very distinct and no longer truly the template.
Having started trying to make my own maps I can definitely say it's a lot more work than it looks, but that might also be because I've just very meticulous and want it to look as good as possible. I spent at least several weeks building what was supposed to be a small comfy cafe but ended up turning into a high-class (and highly italian) fancy diner with two stories a patio and a balcony dining area and even now I am still not satisfied with it because I STILL cannot figure out how to make this one godforsaken door to Okyuu's office just open and close like a normal two-way door without spazzing out uncontrollably or becoming unusable and every guide I have seen boils down to either "don't do this" or "just make two maps" like I have to copy the entire first floor just to make the door look like it's actually two-way and I WILL NOT BE DEFEATED BY THIS STUPID DOOR YOU HEAR ME-
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what are youand why do you like to spend your time in a sealed formalso anyone else having really long times on the captcha? posting takes forever for some reason
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>>563612159
>what are you
If you're on that route shouldn't you already know? She says it after the final boss of Part 2.
And yeah I think the server's just having issues today; glad to know it's not just me at least.>why does she prefer to be Nuruko
It's not a spoiler and only revealed really late but iirc she explains once recruited that she finds it far more comforting and less taxing and stressful. I think it's along the lines of that abruptly becoming a hyper intelligent 4th-dimensional universe-eating abomination is overwhelming and she just feels more at peace otherwise.
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i know it was already revealed at the end of part 2but its not like nuruko explains herself or anything, she just goes 4th dimensional being mode to return sonya to normal then goes back to midget nuruko mode. i know she's a chaos spirit but shes still mysterious
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kinohaving a grown up version of a character is always cool
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What happened to the kitsune propaganda agent?
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>trying angels
>stuff ilias
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>>563617815
ok ok I'll try one
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>>angels (male)
>>hiruko (man)
I'm probably in the minority but i kinda wouldn't mind a game like paradox with its jobs and races systems having a tad more recruitable non-rpgm portrait dudes, if only so i can make a party of bros fighting off the hoes. i guess i could use hakunen and kazuya to achieve a similar affect but they feel like cheating because they're from a collab
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It's unfortunate that Luka's male family members don't show up until late in the trilogy.
Luka/Marcellus/Heinrich/Nero would be a pretty good team. I'm not counting Inexperienced Heinrich, because he is just bad.
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>>563629204https://pastebin.com/zuHTZ5yN
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>>563629392https://exhentai.org/g/1591460/c9ad3e2c2a/
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>>563629631
I would ship these two. A guy protecting some of the most insufferable assholes imaginable even if their good life was made off the back of his suffering is inspiring.
Berryelle would be the perfect angel wife.
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i think she might not like her
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>>563633492
Thankfully, it won't last too long
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>>563617815
>lmao, poor okyuu
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>>563623416
Cute. And. Violet.
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>>563620687
>if only so i can make a party of bros fighting off the hoes
https://www.dlsite.com/maniax/work/=/product_id/RJ01000658.html
Not translated, but there's a four game series that goes a little bit like that
Your mileage may vary because quite a lot of the monster girl enemies there are more monster than girl
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Heh... Cmon guys, Hiruko is cute!
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>>563646307
We should all be so lucky someday
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>Be Ilias
>Get tired of all this
>Confide in your room
>Play video games all day and eat junk food
>The humans start calling you something like a "Neat Goddess"
>Have the humans finally realized your brilliance!?
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There's two kinds which one are you after? yellow gems give a boost to both stats and skills and red/blue/green gems gives a single boost to the skill, red for combat skills like swords, blue for job skills like sexcraft or green for magic skills.
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>>563652750
Yeah so?
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Sometimes I like scenarios that other species have their males because it makes for good justifications on why they’d fetishize humans in particular like their males being super arrogant, or bigger/smaller monsters being undesirable in their own species etc.
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>>563658217
It's a big point of contention on whether monster girl media can have monster males. I remember an anon pointed out that the monster girl genre has just become harem isekai and sidesteps all the semen demon problematic stuff in favor of a simple generic setting.
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>monsters(male)
If it isn't a monster girl, then the only other monsters should be unintelligent random encounters that you put down in droves to grind levels so that you can have them drained
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>>563659462
There's also the fact that a lot of people are gonna be like
>NOOOOOO, I WANT TO BE THE ONLY BOY OPTION!!!
when they think of a monster girl world. If we're feeling spicy, maybe the monsters themselves could be some monster goddess's attempt at creating her own personal mary sue species and that's why there are monster girls with no monster boys, which would still help in qualifying a setting as being monster girl focused.
>but then why do they still crave human co-
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if the setting is drawing from mythology in some circumstances it makes sense to have a male monster, like ex3 of shrift has oberon pretend to be puck so he can scheme a whole thing so he can get back at titania for kicking him out or something, the fairies are always up to this kind of bullshit.
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I’m fine either way really. Just different flavors of things I like.
It’s nice seeing girls go crazy over finding the only man in their kingdom, it’s also nice being better than every other man because elves are cunts or dwarves are stubborn
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oh my god she's cassandra if she wasn't a jobber
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAuCQe2qqro
Eat the fox nuts.
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Hello /mggg/! I'm working on a personal project and I want you guys to vote on your favourite 62-chan succubi.
https://strawpoll.com/kogjRY2K1g6
I'd appreciate it if you could vote. I think I included everyone, if I missed anyone I'm retarded.
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>>563668372
what sort of project
and also where's Bunny
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>>563669585
Voted even though most of the HOP sect is conspicuously missingbut Reynard's there too I guess
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>>563599267
Why isn't there a clean version of the pre-patched download? i tried to delete the QOL mod but the game refused to accept that and acts like they are still installed...
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Farnia Village
https://www.gematsu.com/2025/10/farnia-village-kickstarter-campaign-la unched-life-simulation-game-by-rune -factory-4-director
https://store.steampowered.com/app/4128600/Farnia_Village/
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1005170304/farnia-village/
There is one in the making, one of the main heroines is a doggirl(don't tell pochi about it)
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Anyone else feels thatWhite Rabbit Lukalooks kind of... lame? I expected to see him get a new form on chaos route, but I also expected something more than thatnot i do not count Father of Chaos at the literal very end of it.
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>male character done
Not much more to check off now.
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>>563672919
It makes more sense when you realize there was a corruption bar for a scrapped mechanic that TrTr seemingly gave up on towards the end of development.
It was supposed to tie in with a strange scene in a collab, but I don't remember which game.
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>ne of the main heroines is a doggirl
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>she's cassandra if she wasn't a jobber
That's kind of funny to see to be honest, sincethe super-secret bonus boss back in the Second Labrynth of Chaos (and who was also always the final one to be unlocked) was literally Cassandra from the Total Cassandra Victory timeline where she killed Luka and Alice and even Ilias before going on to devour her entire world and everything living in it. She even has a special cutscene right before her boss fight showing every step of this in detail.
Granted, however, if you only started with Part Three (or just never encountered this since it's extremely rare and takes a while to find), you're only going to run into her well after you've already beaten the game, by which point you'll be far far comically overleveled for her anyways and it won't be as impressive. But I felt it was worth a mention.She gets dialogue for the routes too, so trtr didn't forget her either, and her having innate double action means she's still pretty good. I am curious what the intention behind her is now, though. Her trait being designed for Part 2 explains it's design as it's just a product of the time, but she's clearly a chaotic being who destroyed her planet. She starts the fight with you because she needs a new world after destroying her own, so my best guess is that it was only recent for her. Had she not run into the party on the very first jump, ML!Cassandra could very well have become a being equivalent to the Sixteen Calamities.
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>corruption bar for a scrapped mechanic that TrTr seemingly gave up on towards the end of development.
That does sound intresting (propably the Logos Magia counter)
It was supposed to tie in with a strange scene in a collab, but I don't remember which game.
Maybe you mean the one from Shrift where Runaway Luka gets skewered by Cleo Adra?
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>corruption bar for a scrapped mechanic that TrTr seemingly gave up on towards the end of development.
That does sound intresting (propably the Logos Magia counter), shame it didn't happen
>It was supposed to tie in with a strange scene in a collab, but I don't remember which game.
Maybe you mean the one from Shrift where Runaway Luka gets skewered by Cleo Adra?
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Wrong pic, I grabbed the one next to what I intended to post on accident.
also anyone else having connection issues? it's been almost impossible to post anything today for some reason.
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Because My Wife Reina (also shirohebi and el and etc) is basedThey have a haste ability but it's for the Tier Five Job. However, it's still significantly better to just use Reina or Shirohebi for this due to them having it naturally, and in Reina's case she even has the SP Cost Reduction and increase Status Affliction Rate; she's still the best support dancer girl in the game trait-wise.
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transphobic lesbian... also i might have overdone it on the job grinding and getting combat gems from gifting, luka rakashaed the port natalia (ad) boss to death turn 1 on hell, and my current death damage record is 4 billion. i don't regret it though because now i have a magical swordsman promestien to take advantage of rakasha from the angel race
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they don't have 3 times exp song though. thats robo exclusive
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>>563690534
Physical attacks are strong because it gains a lot of element strikes and can afford to use magic element boosters. When using Rakshaka you'll do a lot of damage with physical/holy boosters and even more if you're using a Greatsword and getting the conditional damage.
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Paradox difficulty has enemies deal x5 damage, but Hild should survive with Roid passives to negate 1 turn of damage or only take 1/10 of it for 2 turns.
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Watch for Shoutmata. She has singing priority and is a doll for the x3 exp song.
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>hild and alicestromia died instantly when i put it on paradox diff against angel world luddite village, maybe its just a glass canon situation
I can assure you it definitely is. Having gone through the entire adventure on paradox difficulty, the party had means to boost their survivability, and I was able to ensure at least Reina never went down in any fight, and everyone else was generally able to survive. Paradox difficulty requires you to really put in the effort to actually pay attention to buffs in order to survive and win (if you don't want to resort to just trying to one-hit-kill everything before you get insta-gibbed) which is part of why I like it so much.
For comparison's sake this was my party from the very end of the opposite route (in a spoiler-free location), right before the final battle on it, and they were able to survive the fight perfectly fine and dealt pretty good damage for that point in time as well. A combination of Dancing/Singing/Shield Captain/Doping buffs was what allowed the Harpies to survive all the way to the end, so if you want to survive on Paradox difficulty I'd suggest that.
>>563689909
>bigger lucky song
You really don't need that, to be perfectly honest here.
Also that's not a Dance.
Shoutmata is probably my choice for strongest singing specialist in the game though, in all fairness.
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>>563692210
Applied Element attacks are weaker than Innate Element attacks due to boosters stacking more with the latter than the former. However it also just depends on the character's build and what abilities they have and how they're being used.
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Tbf, pre-third route the boosters usually aren't really going to beat Holy/Dark strike getting a +50% plus whatever stigmata/corruption bonus was in most cases. Plus that early most magic skills don't even have multiple element skills and may just be tanked by enemy resistance if it's not a chaos spell.
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i think i'll play on hell for now but i might bump it to paradox later, I'll take your advice to heart, and hilds in ninja right now because i didn't have acess to sealed adverturer yet. i might have missed the race gem for robots if it was in the angel world remina lab because those don't let you open them because magnetic lock so i thought that meant i should progress the dungeon, which i did and then whoops the dungeons destroyed. so i must have missed something
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so beyond the mandatory "resets" for the MW+AW crap, you can do one big playthrough? noice
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>magic skills
I actually had a lot more success with racial and job skills to be honest.
>>563694380
Chirp is in Last Survivor mostly for the statline and AP spread; what she actually uses in battle generally comes from Shield Captain, along with Doctor and Informant. Reina was the main buffer who gave everyone Sky Dance and True Hero Song (since singing gets to benefit from her dance priority due to idol chain) and then also the main DPS since she has huge damage with her flap flaps while Chirp was giving out the Doping and Shield buffs. Shield Hero in particular is invaluable, because adamant shield, the skill it learns at level 11, is what gives Auto-Hit DR 50%, which is very good. If it can help a bunch of girls of one of the frailest races fight all the way to the end and win, then it'll work for you too I'm sure. Happy I could help anon!
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Nah you can do whatever. The only things that are permanently missable on a single playthrough arethe Mithra Castle chests in the Angle and Monster Worlds, as all of the weapons inside are completely unobtainable outside of those routes.Outside of that you can recruit any girl later on.
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>Angle
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How manydegreesof freedom do the ordinary people ofangleworld have? Would a human boy be able to meet and marryacute anglegirl, or is the goddess of that world some kind ofobtusebrat who decides on her own who she does a goodturnfor? And would I get to meet theright anglefor me....?
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I wanted to confess to this cute 360 degree angle girl but she turned 360 degrees and walked away...
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anon the god of angel world is illias. aka the biggest of brats
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The Heavens demand we leave this world to become immortal. The Hells demand we lose our souls to become immortal. Both are false paths for the gifted and lazy. The true path to immortality, in front of our faces all this time, is for the gifted and determined. All we have ever needed, to become the immortal Gods of this world, is training and battle.
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Make us whole, anon!
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The AD and MR are purposefully meant to feel meaningless right? They are both horrible worlds filled with awful people, and the faction you chose to side with is just as bad. And all of that to get a sad ending where Luka becomes a mass murderer, and is than told that all of it didn't matter anyway because chaos consumed everything in the end.
So you do them both to unlock the third way that finally leads to something (and also returns to the coexistance theme of the original).
I get that this is intentional, but it does make the experience tedious to me (and kills any desire to ever replay it)
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And the reward for the most impressive tits of MGQ and MGQP goes to...
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>>563724459
yes. look up blasted and infernal tokyo from shin megami tensei 4, its basically the same thing minus the porn
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>SMT IV
>The Law faction now advocates dictatorship and genocide with the people of Tokyo being called "Unclean Ones" and "Filth" over their knowledge tainting their Eastern Kingdom of Mikado, and later events revolving Beelzebub and Mastema reveal that the angels illegitimately took over the Kingdom and established a dictatorship there.
>Chaos now advocates complete social darwinism, with the weak being mere prey to the strong and the Eastern Kingdom of Mikado being a blight that has to be set to flames and laid waste upon
>The traditional alignments of Law and Chaos exist, but they serve merely as antagonists and false opposition, and following them leads to the game's two early endings.
>Instead, the primary alignment system is Neutral and measures whether the protagonist is Light-Neutral or Dark-Neutral.
>On top of Law and Chaos, Divine Powers act as a third faction of radical Neutral entities with a clear moral void. Despite having a similar intent to Dagda and using thoroughly unscrupulous methods like he would, Nanashi is not given an option to side with them at all.
>Law and Chaos forces are even more radical and hostile than in IV, with all of their unsavory traits heavily exaggerated to the point where Samurai and Ashura-kai members who were once devoted to Law and Chaos openly called their leaders out for their insanity.
I'm ripping those lines straight from the wiki, but isn't this way too on the nose?! This isn't even just a reference anymore, like Jihad being the Warring Triad from FF VI, this is almost word by word a rip off, only lacking in choice between Light-Neutral and Dark-Neutral. What in the goddamn was trtr thinking here?!
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You're so smart and edgy, Kitsu-senpai!
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>>563731127
the stuff your listing in the second half ia apocalypse which is a what if of 4 but yeah the first half is right, in the original 4 you can side with law chaos or neutral and have a complete ending with that route, neutral in smt is also less golden route and more killing your radicalized friends to prevent them from making a might makes right world or a YHVH chosen few world respectively. law and chaos are like that in basically every entry with some variation, 3 forgoed the alignments in place of its own reason system which was more character specific than doing the same law/chaos thing again. I'd reccomend the franchise if you like a bunch of mythology inspired monsters filling out the jrpg roster with a central conflict where everyone gets political but its batshit demon politics so you have lucifer in a paper thin disguise and biblical lillith telling you that chaos is really cool and you should try it on one shoulder and mastema/the law rep saying nah bro law and order is way cooler join us instead. the neutral rep is there trying and failing to punch the breaks on the everyone turning on eachother in the 2nd to third act deal. except for UBERSMENCH commander gore in strange journey who has his shit together and is just telling you to do the best thing for humanity.
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bro...redux endings don't count
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You will never be the big hero who saves the world and defeats the demon lord, but you can be the middling hero who saves his city and stop the monster raiders, you won't have a high ranked Angel guiding you, but you can have a low rank Angel who was just assigned to help you, your companion is just your loyal and true childhood friend, but she's not of a noble blood line, but she does her best and is always there for you. And the Monster? She's not some ancient evil, infact she's a young and upcoming monster, no where near the strength of other monsters but still strong enough to lead her own gang of various monsters. Now my would be Hero, go off and fulfil your destiny.
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>>563599267
Am about to start part 3 of the OG MGQ, I checked all choices and saw all the h-scenes and the attacks that got CGs, but there are couple of moves that didn't unlock for me... they don't have any CGs, is it worth to keep trying to get them or should I just leave them?
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>>563724459
>than told that all of it didn't matter anyway because chaos consumed everything in the end.
That's just Luka being an idealist because he outlived everyone including Tamamo or Eden who will outlive humanity and the world. The endings are perfectly fine if Luka didn't want to make his universe last forever.
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>>563605587
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to do, but that shouldn't be too difficult.
>Take your basic door event
>Remove the move sound and map transfer event
>add an additional 1 step forward to the players move route.
>Gather Followers (Character Section)
>Do a reversed version of the Doors Move Route. (Make it Turn Right, Wait, Turn Left, Wait, Turn Down, then Through:off)
And there, you have a two way door that resets itself
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>>563742587
>That's just Luka being an idealist
From his perspective, he spent entire millennia destroying countless worlds and cutting short innumerable amount of innocent lives as Judgment/Worldbreaker and in the end it didn't provide the solution to the problem. All he got out of either of those routes really, is that the friends of his that survived to the end of the route got to live their lives to their fullest. Which is nice and all, but doesn't fix the core issue.
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I frogot we were talking about normal SJ not redux
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>>563712485
Wait if Hiruko is the crimson then who are the corruption and the hallow?
>>563719816
They can never 100% the bosses because every time they try to kill the slime king/queen Kanade kills everyone
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>Wait if Hiruko is the crimson then who are the corruption and the hallow?
Alice I (or BA's final form?) and Ilias.
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I swear I've done set-ups for the door like this at least three times if not more but for some reason this time it actually worked and I don't really understand why or what it was that I was doing wrong that prevented every prior version from being able to actually reset properly (either spazzing out or breaking).
Still, the important thing is the door finally works how I was hoping it would, so Okyuu can actually have her office door behave normally. Thanks for your help anon.
>that shouldn't be too difficult
I am not very good with tech. I can sometimes figure stuff out on my own but it generally takes me longer than I think it probably does for most people. I haven't really figured out how to do any complex events or anything yet.
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>Both AW and MW are what happen when you give a bored person unlimited dynamite and no plan (but in AW Ilias demanded that you turned the whole server into skyblocks with cloud tiles)
Yeah that kind of tracks.
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>>563781117
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>angel world luka is literally a brain in a jar because illias has no chill
what horrible thing happened to monsterworld luka? i kinda wish we got parallel lukas as party members or temporarily. i want to see luka argue with another luka and get frustated that he's dealing with an idiot (himself)
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>>563782147
>monsterworld luka
there's no such thing, his lineage didn't even exist in that world. that's even made a plot point, because it's literally the reason why Lilith didn't know who Marcellus was and just killed him thinking he was just some random guy.
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>>563782394
the succubus retard squad drive bying marcellus was fucking hilarious, but i could do without white rabbit saying that luka is LITERALLY the most important little guy in the universe and that parallel universes start breaking down when he dies. even if meta wise we know this because he's the main character it still feels cheep and a bit masturbatory.
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>>563782986
The reason Luka has that is because he killed Ilias and, quite literally, broke the fabric of reality and caused a time crash in the process. The reason the singularity world ran a fatal error is because it's an exact copy of the original world up until the Great Disaster, and Luka being so heavily involved as the direct cause of the problem on top of being the subject of Ilias's constant time-rewinds that centered around forcibly keeping him alive and doing what she wanted is what distorted it around him. So killing him and thus preventing Luka from ever being born nearly caused a second fatal error.
It's probably an odd comparison, but if you've seen Madoka Magica it's like how the constant time looping to try and save Madoka just kept making her and the witch that would spawn from her more and more powerful until eventually Madoka becomes a literal avatar of the concept of hope and manages to not only transcend reality but kill her own witch and then everyone else's as well.And this situation will come up again later.
For someone else.
Trying to loop time on yourself to save someone does not end well.
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>>563782394
I'm kind of curious what actually happened to the royal lineages in MW. They obviously had to have popped up and establish themselves, since all the kingdoms they made are still the soul surviving nations that were not nuked in the GWM. Did they get wiped out by Fat Alice's forces? Stripped of their titles, but left alive?
Gold King's great aunts? Maybe great grandmothers? Show up working with MW Chrome too.
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>>563784548
>kyubey was doing this shit because it was better than nuclear at creating energy
>illias just bumbled into it because luka kept saying "JUST ONCE" at every girl he comes across
thats a pretty good explanation though anon. my only question would be hows monster realm not already imploded on itself from chaosization if luka never even existed in their timeline
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>>563786048
It was explained anon.
Both MW/AW would have been chaos blitzed a long time ago, but both goddesses have been able to contain the Tartarus holes, which are the main spreaders of chaos.
Don't remember how Fatty does it, but Ilias created multiple angels that can manipulate time and space to a pretty crazy level, and they help contain the spread.
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is anyone else annoyed that the first two tartarus worlds were basically made irrelevant and never expanded upon? I thought for sure there was something special about the "Ilias killed everyone for no reason" world or the world where Marcellus visited for some reason, but nahhh
at least the black alice era world got some love but man I feel like some of the tartarus worlds were utterly pointless by the end
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>>563786492
It's pretty funny how Ilias was the brains of the whole operation, she is by far the most accomplished scientist in the series. Fatice really was just the muscle at the end of the day.
>>563786526
It's a stop gap. Both worlds were going to get chaos fucked in a few months by the time Luka chooses his poison.
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>>563786289
You're welcome anon, happy if I could help you. I remember seeing the complaint about him being called that raised before, but I don't think I explained it as in-depth the first time.
And yeah, both the MW and AW are suffering from rapid chaosization. As mentioned, the reason that they've held on for as long as they have is that Alice I and Sub-Ilias have been using their magic to freeze time around the chaotic rifts in question before they can spread, isolating the locations. However, they also explain that this is heavily taxing on their power and they won't be able to hold their world out for much longer. This is also part of the justification they both give as to why both of them refuse to leave their houses in the present as well.
Even though both of them weren't ever really leaving their house in the first place, for different reasons.
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>>563786895
not really, the only place you could even consider being like that is tamamo's lab, and she's reversed-engineered a lot of stuff from AW.
However, both their universes are speeding up the chaotization rate and deteriorating faster and faster as time goes on, so that is actually happening still yes. It's why they're so desperate for you to choose their side. They're going to die out in literally months if not weeks if you don't.
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>>563786895
i guess its just me grappling with trying to figure out how strong of a force chaotization is and how strong Illias and monster world alice have to be to be able to slow it down, because its not like any paradox universe can do the same thing they've been doing to expend their lifespan. like how strong is the average alice the first and illias and how much stronger than that do they have to be to stand a chance at slowing down chaosization and not becoming another one of those worlds like the one that was basically just a tower with everything else being gone and the tower and the universe actively breaking down when luka and co arrive. i forgot what they said the time span they said for when the first chaotization happened in that world i want to say 6 months to a year tops? and it stumped la croix and all the labcoats
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>>563786613
They were supposed to be the lead-in to the parallel worlds, they didn't really "need" to be followed up on to be honest.
>killed everyone for no reason
if Luka ever gives up on the adventure Ilias just goes full sore loser and has the world destruction plan carried out and all loose ends tied.
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>>563787384
The problem with worlds stopping chaos is that it's a temporary thing, those worlds are going to die one way or another.
Then there is the Calamities. Even if some AU Ilias or Alice 1st found a way to stop the spread, the next minute some edgy super dragon shows up, and kills them because "me le strunk", and then the world gets chaos fucked afterwards.
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>>563787384
Remember that Eden and a dying Ilias were holding enough chaos that the elements of Paradox's world died for 30 years. It might not mean much because it is an Ilias even if she was dying, but apparently the powerlevel gap between Eden and the Ancestors then the goddesses are supposed to both be massive
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What can you tell me about studio 62 games? I've only played a litle of succubus in wonderland, it seemed like battle fuck but actual penetration sex is reserved for loss scenes you can't fuck in battle because the shota is an innocent virgin
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I need the following catagories
people who want to fuck Luka for the following
breeding stud
like/love/crush/fun
just cause he's the closest dick around.
I'll be back in 9 hours once you're done I'll tell you what this is for
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>>563791705
Do you happen to look like this?
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>>563768503
No problem, glad it worked. And I was mainly surprised that the guides you found didn't have a solution or tried to circumvent it entirely.
> I haven't really figured out how to do any complex events or anything yet.
Don't worry too much, it just takes practice, I only knew the solution because I've done it before.
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>>563796785
Lucretia did fall in love with him after he saved her people, it's just only ever come up in minor ways until near the very very end of the game (where she starts trying to hit on him far more obviously) and comes up in one of the collaborations she appeared in.I honestly think that Reina also likes/loves Luka, and that a lot of the Harpies who aren't taken do in general, hence all the marriage and love talk and the like. They're just a species of romantics in general.
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>>563617815
>third literally making children
Turning Eden into your personal angel factory...
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>>563784548
It's not quite that.
Paradox Luka is abnormal becausethey recreated Marcellus by just like borrowing a small amount of him from various timelines and stitching them together, thus the born Luka was already a cross-dimensional mash-up. That's how we got Robo-Marcellus too.
It gets even more tangled after the ending and time being a flat circle nonsense.
It's best to just take this whole thing as a bit of a parody on 90s JRPG plots too with how off the rails they could go.
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>>563782986
I always thought that Killing Marcellus, ergo, preventing Luka's birth (Most Important being in the universe), was kinda a meta commentary. He's the main character of the VN, the hero who defeats the big bad. If Luka doesn't exist, the there's no point for the world the lacks him to exist in the first place. He's like a linchpin for reality, a fundamental existence.
You know in comics, Earth is seen as a huge deal, so much so it becomes a center point for a lot of crazy shit. The most important place for the universe, Luka is like that for the world of MGQ. It's given in-universe reasons, but it still feels there's a lot of meta reasons.
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>>563832803
Angels do not require consent, they act by Divine Right.
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>>563791581
most monster girls pretend its the second reason when in reality its the third reason. I'm sorry anon but you aren't as special as your harpy wife makes you out to be, you where just the closest avaliable man
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>>563833669
Angels make good wives.
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>>563833854
it's just love at first sight bros
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I think a couple getting together out of convenience but working to become each other's ideal husband/wife and falling in love for real is kino.
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>>563835138
the thing is that rarely ever happens and the girl just moves on to fuck another dude or just keeps you as a sex slave. Fetish settings inherently remove most of the barriers to sex and with sex being trivialized it loses all of the gravity it has for relationship building
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>>563833487
paradox made me really feel bad for heinrich. his belief in illias forced him to fight and from his perspective kill his closest travel companion and partner, and when he realizes nothings changed in the world and illias is the biggest obstacle to world peace he loses his shit and starts killing the fuck out of angels as righteous vengeance. before getting worn down enough for illias to put him in forever soul jail, and his negative thoughts/emotions are so strong that they leak out as angel berserkers which explain themselves.alicestromiea has to reseal him in both the paradox and angel world. and she's not fucking happy about it.
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>>563835852
I'm not a fan of how paradox seems to downplay Black Alice herself as a bad actor by just kind of walking around all the bad shit she was implied to do and instead focusing on illias as the real instigator. It feels kind of like regressing to the VN dynamic with illias despite paradox usually adding more nuance to these kinds of situations
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>>563835285
Those are stories where most girls are obstacles in the hero's journey. Or rape stories, and romance gets in the way of rape. They're not love interests or pretending to be. May I suggest looking for monster girl visual novels? A more story-heavy medium is bound to have more romance.
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>>563836286
Visual novels as a medium are generally dead and monster girls barely ever feature in them. Monster girls are also largely dead in anime and manga too, outside of schlocky isekai that's bad. There is no monster girl romance, only porn games. (Obviously monster girl anime/ manga or Visual novels exist but they're not a thing these days much at all)
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>>563836014
thats a pretty fair criticism. im a sucker for bad people becoming slightly more humane after spending time in the prolonged time in the company of good people. i think theres room for black alice to be a fucking terror but also one thats mostly concered with not being bored and does most things on a whim to keep herself entertained, she's already infamous by the time she starts decides to roleplay as an innocent mage and accompany the hero for a giggle, and becoming a little bit attached to heinrich even if it's just seeing his optimistic idealism and thickheadedness endlessly entertaining. whatever she had planned probably wouldn't have ended well and consisted of kidnapping heinrich to keep him as a favorite toy, in the VN ba has no fucks to give because her favorite boy toy is in forever soul jail
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>>563838407
most of the rank and file are. or they aren't too bad as to warrent being a problem. in the vn after luka kills illias the remaining angels are left to do whatever, you see cupid and valk living in human cities in the epilogue
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>>563839193
illias wouldn't have gone crazy if whoever made the universe in the first place gave her any sense of direction. illias and alpheese just spawned into existence in a void and where left to sit around for millenia while planets and shit formed
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whats a koron
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>>563841575
He doesn't know...
You'll get there when you get there.
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>>563842046
>Yeah, and Ilias thought her sister was super dope when she was committing the genocide on the ancient dragons.
>Not like Ilias didnt do her own genocide against the Alfs that didnt bow down to her.
is this dark souls
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>>563842959
>the sexiest version of Ilias also has the worst personality
Of course, that's because she's maximizing her Stacy energy. She can get away with it due to being better looking.
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>>563844061
What could go wrong...
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>>563845194
Eh tbf Ilias routehas characters fuse despite her belief that fusion is icky.The routes are also meant to mirror each other witha fallen angel (Ilias despite the game trying to say it's Micaela) and another Monster Lord (Alice)
It's just sadly not on the same level
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>anon is so hurt that he now believes the monster is always on the outside and the inside
Oh, poor anon....
May you find that hapyness you need someday.......
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>fusion is icky
Ilias' resentment towards the plan is often misunderstood, I think. Her arguments against it don't come off very logically, and it may seem like pure idealism over pragmatism. Soul transfer BAD. But why? It is demonstrated several times to work without issue, so what's the big deal? it'll only sting once. There must be an issue that is overlooked or not clearly explained. For instance, what if there is no corresponding body on the other side? That would mean true death, an untimely demise without being allowed to live out the rest of your life to whatever end. Some people are just going to be lucky enough to have a parallel self to unite with, while the rest face the terror of being hunted down in an unstoppable systematic genocide for the sake of a world they'll have no part in.
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>>563857293
perhaps some
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>>563858812
there's many other demonstrations where it does not work well. sometimes it goes very badly.Lazarus in particular shows the worst possible outcome of it where he goes full schizo before he gets split back apart. It also effectively kills both of the individuals and just creates one 'new' one with the memories of both, so in essence everyone that it happens to who was in your party (i.e, every single character who got kicked out of the pocket castle) is dead and you're just travelling with their clones/replacements, which is something a lot of people don't like the idea of understandably.
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NTA but maybe if I had a reason to like or care about them I wouldn't hate that segment so much. As it is they're not endearing and I only hated them more as the game went on. It's also the moment in part 3 where trtr just fully abandons the "make a party of your characters who you've come to like" aspect that played a huge role in why Paradox was so beloved in the first place, and tries to replace it with "use MY party to replace your characters made up of who I wanted you to like", something that you can still get out of but remains a prevalent feeling through the rest of the game.
It doesn't help that Alice and Ilias completely regress as characters in the final route (to the point it actively causes problems), Micaela turns into a cardboard cutout, Marcellus gets pussywhipped and Lucifina is even more psychotic and unhinged but fawned over by the narrative as it now tries to paint her as lovable and sympathetic.
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>160 hours in
>still an entire third route in part 3
>When does this ride end, holy fuck
Part 3 is 2 split routes as long as Parts 1+2
And then another game on top of that
Are you ready for the game~?
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>>563862852
I can't get her lips out of my mind, I want to kiss her so badly
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We know what it's for.
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>>563857293
trtr doesn't let us have loyalty.
You will only marry a few important characters. You will not marry any of the other party members you met in the first part of the game and with whom you've fought through hell with.
The only solution for anons is to make mods to marry their girl, but I'm too lazy to even start Part 3.
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>>563866716
>you met in the first part of the game
What do you mean? You already have Alice, Ilias and Lime. You're asking too much if you want him to start adding in someone like the triple slugs or pumpkin fairy.
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>>563867750
pumpkin fairy makes me sad that we don't have a snowman girl. pumpkin fairy is obviously a pyro jack refrence, but she's missing her jack frost
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>>563867750
>You're asking too much if you want him to commit to the original idea
nta but I'm really not.
I don't care about unique wedding gifts and I couldn't care less about the ring. You could just give every single give the same generic gift that they give back to you in return and I'd literally be satisfied so long as everyone was allowed to marry anyone that they wanted to. In the first place giving them unique gifts has caused many to choose solely for the gift which ruins the point of you being intended to give it to who you like.
I feel the same way about the removal the party quotes in favor of just one generic "your companions" line; even if only kept for the final boss, it would be far easier and far cheaper to have done a bunch of single lines for each character than it was for him toforce in the shitty ten minute cutscene with a bunch of art and nothingburger shit that literally has no purpose because everyone notes afterwards that none of it mattered and they didn't actually accomplish anything, because the cutscene's only purpose is to try and forcefeed you the 13 shitters and three asshole gods to make you think they're cool, and Luka was just hanging in the back and then (if you play the way intended to) will walk up and one-hit-kill her in the final phase anyways.
>but it was holding her off for him
Having the party you're actually using do that would've been twenty times more meaningful and satisfying. trtr didn't do it not because it was too hard but because by that point in time he had just abandoned the original idea of paradox and wanted to railroad everyone into using the same few characters. add in the shit development of the fight starting because Luka was such a retard that he FORGOT HIS OWN PLAN and Chaos's fight was utterly soulless compared to Part 1's end in terms of story.
The postgame having the world be completely fucked beyond repair instead of actually being saved (a few exceptions aside) did not help either.
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scope is kind of a problem i think with paradox, you can recruit basically any girl you come across which is cool but the majority of them also have paper thin characterization. part 1 was a lot better with giving character to the characters you recruited probably because comparatively it had a lot fewer girls than part 2 or 3, i remember barbun and her drunk sheep wife(?)/friend that she's always pulling out of bars, i remember kitsu and her straightlaced junior, i remember the orc i recruited saying its an ORC RAID!!! in every town we visited. i can't remember a thing comparatively from generics in part 2 or part 3. the navy/fishy pirates where memorable but after that my memory fizzles out for generics. a bit above generics are vn hold-overs or that get a bit more character like the 4 bandits or chrome and characters that have plot relevance for about a dungeon or town before being irrelevant for the rest of the game like bonnie or mini, they're all a bit more developed than the generics and you can have some cool thing happen like having chrome meet her alternate dimension sister, but are secondary characters at the end of the day while generics are tertiary. i've recruited a ton of girls that i'll never use because i don't care about them/find them interesting or fun like the current characters i'm using, and this isn't just a generic girl recruit problem. i recruited some dragon girl boss that i just beat and i have no idea what her character even is beyond "black alice lackey" her trait is breathfocused which is cool but i can't bring myself to care or try to use this complete rando that i don't know anything about.
TLDR
its hard to care about a lot of the characters and if i don't care im never gonna try to use them in the party, and thats kinda sad because i want to be excited when i get a new recruit and see how they do as a unit and not just be recruiting girls because i've already recruited so many and might as well fill out the castle
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>pumpkin fairy is obviously a pyro jack refrence
I mean she could also just be a reference to Jack-O-Lanterns...
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>>563871343
Even if you ignore the ring, you're asking Trtr to write over 900 different proposal lines and marriage dialogue at the castle.
That's nowhere near the same thing as the Part 1 ending have everyone who wasn't a mute pitch in since most characters are just saying generic save the world or I'm with you lines, but with marriage dialogue there has to be some romance which he won't be able to do with all 900 characters unless 800 generics get "you married me because you're a pervert"
I understand complaining that the Bandits or Rami aren't options right now, but complaining that Trtr isn't letting Luka marry the Iron Maidens is just too much.
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She's based off the original Jack-o'-the-Lantern, and not Pyro Jack specifically (because he's also based off the guy), that's why she's also much more halloween themed. If she was supposed to be a reference to the SMT version she would've said at least one Hee-Ho. That's also why she has the more tattered and plain outfit, and halloween-themed hat.
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>>563872364
>you're asking Trtr to write over 900 different proposal lines
yes
>marriage dialogue at the castle
I don't require him to go that far, but if it was to happen, it would be fine.
Also it's not 900. It's 776. That's still a lot, but iirc trtr originally promised over 900 but likely realized during part three that he just wasn't going to be able to deliver on that. Even then, that list includes alternate form changes, fusions, and stuff like "Whityelx3".
>a lot of girls would probably get more generic lines
that's fine, since like >>563871760 pointed out scope got drastically out of hand and a lot of newer recruited ended up having little to no characterization anyways.
In any case it's really just the principle of it. Given some of the things he did put effort into that he didn't/shouldn't have I don't think it would have been too much to ask.
>I honestly do not know where all the marriagefags came from
Did you come here more recently? There were always anons who liked the idea of loving or marrying a particular girl. It's been present ever since the original VN and it just got even more pronounced during Paradox. It had nothing to do with commissions, and those commissions aren't even in the game anyways so it's not like they'd matter. There's always been a lot of anons who just like that freedom of choice. "My Wife Nanabi" is a pretty old meme.
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creating 776 different gifts would be infinitely harder than just creating 776 different proposal reactions, and would also be something I honestly wouldn't want him to do anyway since it'd just fall into the "pick x girl for y gift and not the girl herself" thing. He should've just made it handful of more generic gifts desu.although it is kind of funny that the best gift is the one from the generic human girl hero that showed up in part three.
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Can't help but feel that after 8 years of development hell, delays, losing artists etc. trtr just gave up, decided to wrap things up, put a nice ribbon on it, and finally release part 3.
What also makes me feel that was his response to people complaining on release that the new content is way too hard. He just released an update that allowed players to toggle the game's difficulty to such a degree, they could just completly erase any challange if they wanted to.
Basically a "fuck it, balancing this thing is too much, here, do it yourself"Despite having the most content yet, more than part 1, part 2, and the entire VN combined, I really feel that part 3 is the weakest in the Paradox trillogy.
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>>563873838
people had been wishing for it since part 1, and then he added a 'pick who to marry' minigame in part 2's LOC, which i think is when the desire for him to add 'pick the girl you want to marry' started to become something people were hoping would actually happen. that minigame also gets referenced in part 3, and the postgame has a bunch of references to a marriage competition for choosing a bride. it also helps that the few patches released after he finished the skeleton of the game (since it was voted to just finish the main story first and then do the rest later) was mostly just adding even more marriage options.
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while xelvy and covid definitely had a big impact on the development cycle, trtr actually released a vote on his blog asking people what they would rather him do between two options:
>finish the main story and then release Part Three pre-emptively, and finish the post game and all other bonus content later on
>continue to wait for the entire game to be finished all at once
and pretty much every single person voted for option one (release it early). trtr's still working on the rest of the game, he just finished the main story first and released it. i think the poor balancing is less due to 'i give up' and more due to trtr just not really being good at actually balancing the game because they have a feature creep autism that gets the best of them.
>it's the weakest
I agree. it's unfortunate, and I still think it's good and was more-or-less a satisfying conclusion, but ten years on it was just never going to be perfect and the balance really did become a mess.
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>the funny thracia number
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>>563875294
Meh, early release Part 2 was also criticized to hell and back. Little, to no post-game content, balance issues, and people really complained about the 2nd half(after MW Tamamo reveal), calling it mostly filler.
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>>563872676
Black Mages have often had goth vibes, especially Lulu but even the classic FF one.
>>563873631
I indeed do not recall any Hee Ho'ing.
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>>563875791
>trtr actually released a vote on his blog asking people what they would rather him do
>and pretty much every single person voted for option one (release it early).
while it can be debated on whether or not this was the right call, one can't really blame the people for voting in this way. at this point people have waited for part 3 to come out longer than they had to wait for part 1 and 2 combined, and with there being a legimate possibilty of it never releasing (because anything can happen really) they just chose the lesser evil.
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>>563856951
Wait, hang on, I thought you had only done one route and would need to do the other? Or have I just forgotten your commentary on the first route you did? Or gotten you and the other anon mixed up?
Anyway, yes, mommy good. (She’s kinda like a crutch, except the game never takes her away)
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how often does alma elma tail vore/kill people? i forget that she can be pretty sadistic because of how non-chalant she is all the time and when she does get serious martial arts mode its agaisnt the chimera in the vn and the lilith trioand probaby minagi on illias route.
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>>563892405
to be fair paradox alma is far more mellowed out than the original one and also a lot less of a murderous smug asshole. she quit her job over not wanting to kill people, while it's heavily implied the original one killed people a lot.
the one in the collab is the original one, so it's pretty in-character for her to do that and just randomly eat some nearby nice guy who was getting a little too chummy for his own good.
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>>563892645
In the collab her scenes are happening in a dream.
Alma only kills people who challenge her as the Succubus Queen(which she warns before hand), or in the VN, heroes the were killing weaker monsters.
Alma isn't anywhere near the murderwhore people think she is.
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