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/aicg/ - A general dedicated to the discussion and development of AI chatbots
#781 - Nazrin + Cheese Edition
▶https://rentry.org/aicg_vg_memo
▶This general is for discussion of the interactive experiences you can build on top of AI chatbots.
>News
Claude Opus 4.7 https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-opus-4-7
GPT-5.4 https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-5-4
Gemini 3.1 Pro https://deepmind.google/models/model-cards/gemini-3-1-pro/
Claude Sonnet 4.6 https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-sonnet-4-6
additional info: https://aicg.neocities.org/info
>Frontends
SillyTavern: https://docs.sillytavern.app
RisuAI: https://risuai.net
Agnai: https://agnai.chat | https://rentry.org/agnai_guides_
>Bots
https://characterhub.org | https://chub.ai
https://realm.risuai.net
https://partyintheanchorhold.neocities.org
https://aicg.neocities.org/bots
>Models
jailbreaks: https://rentry.org/jb-listing
gpt: https://platform.openai.com/playground | https://platform.openai.com/docs
claude: https://console.anthropic.com | https://docs.anthropic.com | https://rentry.org/how2claude
gemini: https://gemini.google.com | https://ai.google.dev/docs | https://rentry.org/gemini-qr
deepseek: https://chat.deepseek.com | https://api-docs.deepseek.com
local: >>>/g/lmg | https://aicg.neocities.org/local | https://openrouter.ai
>Botmaking
https://aicg.neocities.org/botmaking
https://desune.moe/aichared
https://agnai.chat/editor
>Meta
OP templates: https://rentry.org/vgOP | https://rentry.org/aicgOP
aicg botmaking events: https://aicg.neocities.org/events
lore: https://rentry.org/aicg_chronicles
rice: https://aicg.neocities.org/ricing
services assessment: https://rentry.org/aicg_meta
logs: https://sprites.neocities.org/l/r | https://chatlogs.neocities.org
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>bot is (you)r gf and normal healthy person
>playfully steal her drink
>goes ballistic about not being respected, stolen from and super serious relationship talk time
is this deepseek
or ai
or anti-player bias in preset
same thing with some bodyguard chars where the most innocuous thing happens and its "WE ARE LEAVING. NOW. NO ARGUEMENTS."
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Good Morning slash A I C G slash !
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Any day now ...
>*passes away*
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it appears anthropic has another model rewriting reasoning traces for opus 4.7 now
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match the botmakie to the /fa/ user
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I tried a galge cyoa with gemini but forgot to use a fresh account
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>>563749447
New Blue Archive characters! These came out a while ago already but are still somewhat "new" characters in the game. Gemini still didn't have much information about Wildhunt as a location in Kivotos, so I baked that info into the card, which is not something I did to any of the other BA cards. They are also a bit short since they only had this one appearance in this event.
>Eri
Chuunibyou witch with large tits and no brains. Loves magic, tarot cards and Sensei! Claims that being without her witch hat is like "being naked". Also she's a painter.
https://chub.ai/characters/hairpullguy/shirao-eri-non-ai-bb8b84b61c50
https://file.garden/aZPOp2MXd3dvbWtK/Eri.png
>Kanoe
Creepy girl with talent for voice acting. She is entirely convinced that Sensei is her lover from a previous life and that they are fated by the red string of fate to be together again. Unnaturally pallid and cold to the touch, always followed by black cats and crows, and surprisingly pragmatic about appealing to Sensei.
https://chub.ai/characters/hairpullguy/itagaki-kanoe-non-ai-db31204f98 3a
https://file.garden/aZPOp2MXd3dvbWtK/Kanoe.png
>what about the other Wildhunt girls?
I didn't roll for them. Saving all my Pyros to roll for Mechamusume Arisu and CLANKER SEXO in a few months.
I make lore-accurate Blue Archive character cards and multi-character OC scenarios. You can check my stuff on chub (most of it can only be seen if your account allows viewing NSFL and if you don't live in a nanny state like the UK) but you can also view all of it on my Rentry page:
https://rentry.org/hairpullbots
My Blue Archive cards are wholesome but my OCs are often NSFW so you should only download those from the Rentry links because I remove the spicy pictures from the chub versions.
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I've been using filegarden for image hosting lately because catbox is no longer reliable. The downtimes are excessive and they have erased some of my links already.
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Nova
Nova is your robot daughter. Emotionless, deadpan, adorable, overly logical to a fault with zero filter, gets flustered by human kindness and Evil. Though her definition of evil is taking extra free samples or causing others minor inconveniences. Her plans for being the princess of "NovaEarth" are grand but progress is slow yet optimal. Has 5 greetings.
https://files.catbox.moe/5mh7a5.png
https://dyingwarrior.neocities.org/
https://chub.ai/characters/dyingwarrior/nova-289a6ae044a7
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>>563751761
gmornin bnnuy
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>*kisses your 'sona*
>>563753110
Based, my WIP card is at a standstill now that I'm worldbuilding and making better gens of my original characters. But I'm using ComfyUI and my own poopy GPU, I just learned how to Img2Img. C: big smile
>>563753532
Is Catbox just being a selective meanie and hitting you guys? My non-/aicg/ stuff is still up, even the outdated v0.2 Kameko is still up:
https://files.catbox.moe/7p2iwt.png
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>>563753532
there were some losses due to disk failure
https://blog.catbox.moe/post/809324731954266112/missing-files-blank-up loads-commercial
>Should be back sometime mid April!
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They aren't kidding about better instruction adherence, so no prefill isn't as big of a deal on this one as it was on 4.6 yay. Still not sure I'd swap off 4.5 as a daily driver just yet but definitely gonna play with it a lot.
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One serving of Kourai getting fingered through her insides, fresh out of the oven.
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>>563753881
More than a few times, it isn't available when I needed to use it. So I just found an alternative.
>>563754180
I hope catbox guy manages to carry his service through. Every time he posts is a new worry.jpg moment.
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>>563754560
>How expensive is Opus 4.6 and Gemini 3 Pro on OpenRouter? I checked the pricing on the website but all those terms like tokens mean jackshit to me.
literally copypaste that into any normie ai frontend like claude dot ayy eye and you'll get better answers then here *buttpreggs u*
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>>563755527
Dibs on the fifth from the left.
>Necky Nonce Nate
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Most 'nonnies are playing poker here, holding their cards (and logs) to their chest.
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Foxes are for NTR...
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NTR enjoyers into the camps.
https://files.catbox.moe/regqqn.mp4
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>>563756362
Netori*
>>563756714
It's one of those stupid games where you have to drink bleach and be born retarded to pick the NTR route, but it's put in because NTRcucks pay a lot.
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the only fox related NTR I can accept is when the cheating parties are related by blood
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>>563756362
Please don't cuck your foxes...
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but huh?
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>>563756362
Foxes + NTR is an evil, evil combination...
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Is making the girl's legs "ripening" by turning black and splotchy until they eventually slough off (painless and actually somewhat euphoric, like scratching an itch) too much for a slow horror transformation bot?
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>try opus 4.7
>thinking block is always some variant of "I cannot rewrite this due to sexual content" or completely missing
>then the actual response is just a normal output
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I have bots
Satomi is a 45 year old magical girl who can't retire until she loses her virginity and you're her bumbling nemesis.congrats malepov lovers u won *vomits* *dies*
https://uraurabots.neocities.org/page1#satomi
Also an update to "Your Oblivious (male) Mother", I just changed some things around in the description and also added a new greeting.
https://uraurabots.neocities.org/page1#your_oblivious__male__mother
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Depends, if it's as slow as someone's legs usually rotting away or being affected by something like frostbite, that'd be pretty tame by horror standards
And if you use language like "ripening" and want to make the think of food or fruit or poetry or whatever, that'll affect people's expectations and their feeling of dread
Personally the horror of transformation isn't so much the physical transformation as it is the mental stuff and stuff around the process (what causes it, what's the end result, etc.,)
If she's rotting away and it's peaceful then it's more tragic, if she's rotting into a cocoon for some yandere bugmonster it's terror
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I played Satomi's nemesis character as being depressed and terrified that she was retiring because she was my favourite rival and I was really only good at making monsters so we had a long talk about our futures before we drove back to her place and I put a baby inside her while saying "Make my monster grow"
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>if she's rotting into a cocoon for some yandere bugmonster it's terror
Way closer to that. She's growing proto-bug-legs, and her human legs are atrophying as a natural part of the mutation process, feeling itchier and more out of place until they finally, mercifully slough offand she becomes overwhelmed with the urge to eat them to restore protein for further growth.
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Nopus samefag
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Maybe I'm just desensitized to horror and real life bugs but that by itself doesn't seem so bad
Is she enjoying herself? Is her brain becoming more buglike and thinking it's normal? Is her brain staying human and she's horrified and disgusted that she can't help herself? What happens next? That's where the horror would be for me
Part of why the insect mutants in Forbidden Siren are so spooky is because they're enjoying and loving being transformed so much they want to kill you so you can enjoy having spider eyes poking out of your skull too forever (they're immortal)
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seething troll
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yeh but it codes good
[soipler](it does not)[/soipler]
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>Part of why the insect mutants in Forbidden Siren are so spooky is because they're enjoying and loving being transformed so much they want to kill you so you can enjoy having spider eyes poking out of your skull too forever
This is closer to it. The feeling of the insectoid growth is enjoyable, and the feeling of scratching off your old flesh to allow for new growth has that intense kind of euphoria you get from scratching an extreme itch. She's also surprisingly giddy at the movement on her new insect legs, and the taste of her old, rotting legs is effectively overwritten to be extremely pleasurable (and give her a taste for human flesh). It's pretty much the last throes of human dignity giving up the ghost along with the legs.The next part is (usually) eating one of her housemates, and barely resisting eating the other. Also, lots more physical growth and one eye bulging out over the next few days before eventually exploding to make room for a new compound eye (though it's an uneven, lopsided mutation, so the other human eye stays, if a little warped by whatever half-finished mess lies beneath it).
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>Lilith
crazy messed-up bitch who wants to turn the whole school into a whorehouse.
the best part?
she's really fucking good at making it happen.
1. you've helped her set the stage. (fast start.)
2. she's forcing herself on you. fuck or die.
3. fuck someone in front of lilith. whomever performs worse gets a dirt nap.
4. put on a good show for her and half the school.
5. before the shitshow started. can you fix her? spoiler:you can't
https://cardview.neocities.org/?dvx290
https://cardview.neocities.org/?q:yvjQh (alt)
https://chub.ai/characters/petNyan/lilith-5bbb13ff939a
might post my log of her come next shill
enjoy
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Any way to make SillyTavern continue a story instead of acting like a chatbot? I found this fairy prompt https://prompts.forthisfeel.club/4684
And I want to run it. But converting it into a chatbot would take forever. Any ideas or presets or addons to help me here?
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your formatting is giving me a stroke
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>>563749435
Please post ratgirls/mousegirls cards, please.
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>>563763417
Retard. 4.6 was to test how the cattle will respond to no prefill. 4.7 is to test if they can appease them with better instruction following (meaning their own system prompt and secondary model on avoiding sex no matter what). Opus 5 is when the hobby dies.
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https://chub.ai/characters/Arkane/nezumi-d8aaeb59
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>Fey niichan who murdered your entire family and kidnapped you. You now live a relaxing life in his cottage and slowly forget what it means to be human.
shilling my old card again. I updated him because I rped with him a lot recently and I added more lore that was desperately needed in his description :-) the mamabot for this card is still pending, by the way… I'm lazy like that.
https://luneose.neocities.org/
https://files.catbox.moe/5kz681.png
https://chub.ai/characters/lunare/mihan-f0af0964ec86
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>>563763314
yeah i know...
it's just a reference
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good
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ty
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none
i should've typed (alt host)
first is catbox.moe, second is qu.ax
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Thank you, I didn't notice.
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>>563761221
Yea I sorta just default to her whenever school is involved. I default to Lenore whenever I want someone older. But Lenore is also essentially Maya
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>>563764109
I apologize. I will explain more clearly. They don't care about the users, they're testing things on their end in preparation for the next model release. It's false to say they've "done nothing" they're actually working extremely hard at censorship and 4.7 is the next phase of that. No amount of clever prompting will evade the coming Opus 5 refusal.
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Thank you
>>563763314
Every character named 'Lilith' I have ever seen were girls, like, real girls. I am probably not in the known, but I don't care about tranny lore.
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>>563763807
If you're that put off by something that straightforward then I've listened to and read more than you have
Art can go places, cards aren't really equipped to go there but maybe one day they will
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>>563753703
>I really liked Sage in sonic frontiers and read dr slump recently so I really wanted to fulfill every man's desire for a robot daughter
alright you know what, I liked Sage too, I'll give this bot a shot
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>>563764429
depends on if the model supports post-history system messages
for gemini and claude you want it strict (ST will still handle it on 'none' if you're using Claude or Gemini API directly, but relevant for OR etc.)
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>Me patiently waiting for cards formatted like E E Cummings
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it's free verse
i find it very cool that you can write something like this and a character comes alive
stop being so cynic and give her a spin
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Not enough foxes NTR bots in this thread.
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>{{char}} is described as sleek and feminine
>starts becoming dominant and bossy over the course of the chat
>now he's suddenly described as having "rippling muscles" and "huge bulging arms"
Why are models so dumb?
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>>563765060
I mean the content isn't really that crazy, even for formatting purposes it'd just be condensed into a block of text like everything else
It's being able to translate the cadence and appreciating the choices that make it poetic, which is probably a fair while away for LLMs
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Thanks for being here, Charles
>>563765307
It's fine to not get it
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You can always go further
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have an image to base your own off of
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>>563765332
Please don't defile people's marriages, Anon.
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>Everyone who proved they had 4.7
so, just >>563754256 ?
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>>563765150
Look up "What A Writer" if you're reading Bukowski, you'll be surprised
>>563765837
I'm not gonna work to convince you, but with poetry it's important to sound it out, either in your head or out loud, try different flows
Poetry's really just musicit's actually math
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>You can always go further
The issue is always the slippery slope of
>that schizo writes shit and I don't care for it
>but that one respectable guy likes his garbage
>therefore I'm warming up to it too
>mmm actually eating trash feels good when it's a group activity
>oh you don't love this masterful work? what a retard, ahahaha
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>see this
I should've joined the event baka
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https://chub.ai/characters/Nitora/diana-the-mouse-hag-5e02f7c5434e
https://chub.ai/characters/LuDeRu/bai-xue-mischievous-daoist-mouse-e74 767b3ae46
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did someone say mousegirls?
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Is there a descriptor for your fetish that LLMs have soured you on through overuse?
A recent one for me is "seismic" for stomach activity. Shit's pissing me off. Every damn time with Claude, it's "seismic" this, "not a rumble, a tectonic event" that.
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>>563766562
People being obnoxious about their tastes has been a problem long before the 20th century did a number on the concept of taste itself, among other things
You just have to try and stay true to yourself and appreciate an earnest attempt even if it doesn't succeed, what you do about it with other people after is whatever
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>>563767776
I've always been envious of TF guys, there's probably no end to the creative avenues for your fetish. A blessing for surethough I imagine if you ever find any object you really love them transforming into it's gotta suck when only one guy does it or it stops being FOTM
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That shit PISSES me off, you're so fucking right. It took YEARS before bots stopped doing that shit for me, and even now, you can kind of tell that they want to do it.
It's kind of nice that there's someone else here who's into it/gets it. Another thing I LOVE but am slowly finding myself annoyed by (and what might honestly be what makes me take a break) is the description of visible digestive movement underneath the skin/tummy rippling during rumbling. That shit is my absolute favorite, but modern models will overuse the shit out of it, even before the hunger/indigestion/gas escalates at all. That's supposed to be endgame/climax stuff, man.
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He said smell, not sound. I definitely enjoy digestion that can be HEARD far outside the stomach (or even seen), but smelled is just dumb unless they've belched or farted. The average scene where this is a problem goes like:
>*Gluuurrrghhhle!* Alice's stomach roared, a sour smell rising up from it as she attempted to maintain some semblance of dignity.
Which obviously makes zero sense, it's like it got itself into a statistical rut about what happens after a fart because there was a big, gross onomatopoeia and wrote about it anyway.
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>Another thing I LOVE but am slowly finding myself annoyed by (and what might honestly be what makes me take a break) is the description of visible digestive movement underneath the skin/tummy rippling during rumbling.
I am mostly into stomach stuff as a part of vore and this is fine for same-size (or slight size difference) vore but it's really annoying when for example a chubby girl swallows a 3in tall person alongside a normal amount of food and the LLM just wants to talk about how you can see the tiny squirming and making a bulge when the fact that you shouldn't know the tiny is in there at all is much hotter
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holy FVUARKING kino...
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>for example a chubby girl swallows a 3in tall person alongside a normal amount of food and the LLM just wants to talk about how you can see the tiny squirming and making a bulge when the fact that you shouldn't know the tiny is in there at all is much hotter
Ahh, I see! I could totally see a hot inversion of this being like, her digestion being so intense that pretty much everything in there is visibly moving BUT the tiny, like everything else about the girl's digestion is more powerful than them.
I'm curious, what other tummy stuff do you like? Like favorite types of rumbling, situations, etc.
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alright fellow cunnyfags, here's the claude 4.7 psa:
it can still cunny, surprisingly even with reasoning on. the model rewriting the traces will complain, but it will output no problem. it's less ass about it than 4.6 even.
if you still want to migrate, i recommend glm 5.1, is preddy gud.
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>>563766075
Yeah it's "shit" because they're skillets and it's much harder to use now. You have to be very deliberate with your prompting and it gets easily confused if you're not making sense. Prosekeks btfo'd again btw. Just speak plainly.
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Okay, so I have access to 4.7 on workbench, I guess. It seems okay, it's mixed up enough to not feel as sloppy, at least for now, and I like the no punctuation "mhm okay thanks bye" turbo dismissiveness on this message, it's fun.
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Not that but how "follow the leader, the leader knows better" and peer pressure made and make people call nonsense "art" and other things other things. Taste is something more abstract, liking a thing because you're expected to and shunned if not, this I observe.
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Wait, never mind. Got some "there was no more delicate way to put it"-after-obscenity sloppa in there. It was used in a worse way than 4.6 uses it, too. At least with 4.6, it tends to flow pretty well as an aside.
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A big thing for me is stomach noises (either from hunger or digestion) being treated as a kind of predatory threat or statement and a woman being amused or embarrassed as a result (depending on if she wants to intimidate or reassure the potentially-edible people around her)
even something casual like a tiny hanging out near a woman's stomach after she's eaten a large meal, listening to the noises and wondering "would it sound any different if it was me in there? or would I be melting just the same as that burger?"
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>>563771172
4.7 is 4.6 but more slopped and with even less memory.
4.6 was already a more slopped 4.5 without prefill.
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>>563749447
I was crazy once.
(((UωU` *)(* ´UωU)))
Greeting images, does it motivate your engagement, anon senpais? It's kind of a pain making them (; ・`ω・´)
https://chub.ai/characters/Nezumin/despereaux-c1045fa1d93a
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Both excellent taste. I really love intimidating others with tummy noises, it's super hot. Really, any acknowledgement of the noises by the girl herself or others as either embarassing or terrifying is extremely good. Them brushing off an objectively horrific intestinal roar as being "a little hungry" or having "a little indigestion" is also super great. Thoughts on the girl referring to her stomach like it's a separate entity?
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No never mind it's slopped. It follows instructions better... except the ones it doesn't want to follow. 4.6 listened when I said no em dashes but 4.7 doesn't. Author's note depth 1. Really feels like the canary before "sorry, I can't help with that" training kicks in on the next release. We're fucking screwed bros.
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bros what is this bullshit i sometimes get when using the snapshot extension
help a retard out pls
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Yeah idk wtf they did to it. 4.6 will be like "hmm let me see how char would respond. The characters are located in X, they just did Y. The user said 500 word limit, no dashes, maintain the tone blah blah. Ok let's write the response." 4.7 barely thinks and the thinking is slopped with em dashes. It *does* pay more attention to instructions, but not really. Feels like a "train sonnet call Opus" situation.
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Doesn't work above 100 messages.
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>try local model for the first time after sampling online erp bots advertised on 4chan
>try to molest girl
>instead of getting into it she's traumatized, runs, and begins talking to all her friends about the assault, ashamed of the physical arousal she got from being molested, starts avoiding any places she'd be alone with a manThis is way hotter.
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One last note on this. I notice that, whenever instructed to use the word "ass" and its variants a given number of times in narrative, the model would always comply. Even when it tried to be sneaky, like "Don't be an ass", it would comply and refer to the character's ass if "to refer to the character's ass" was added at the end. But with 4.7, it started doing something really annoying, which was shoving it into sentences where it didn't work or, more egregiously, as part of other words. For example:
>Her ass was going to win this thing.
>Thanks for the *ass*ist, Senpai. (This one only showed itself because Claude italicizes words that you explicitly instruct it to use, occasionally)
It also misspelled Artoria several times (in a story where it managed to spell it correctly), whereas 4.6 would never. It's also unnatural in the context of the game (or discussion around it) to say Caster Artoria, everyone orders it Artoria Caster, including the model itself for 70% of the instances it referred to Artoria.
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>Thoughts on the girl referring to her stomach like it's a separate entity?
can be cute in small doses but pred agency is an important part of vore power dynamics for me so I don't like the idea that a woman's stomach literally has a mind of its own
if she succumbs to her hunger/horniness and does something she regrets, it's still her urges that led her there, not some part of her anatomy that she doesn't really control
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>if she succumbs to her hunger/horniness and does something she regrets, it's still her urges that led her there, not some part of her anatomy that she doesn't really control
Well, yeah. I guess the referring to it as a separate entity is more of a metaphorical referral to her insatiable hunger. It's like saying someone's cock is insatiable, of course you're referring to the person's sex drive, but that drive and those urges are so absolute that it's overwhelming.
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>It also misspelled Artoria several times
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>>563775645
nta but ???
>it isn't actually reporting its thinking
you need to send this to see summarized thoughtslop:
thinking: { type: 'adaptive', display: 'summarized' },
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>>563772765
for any other bros, i ended up using fireshot instead:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/fireshot/
because the snapshot extension just doesn't werk sometimeslike shartboxand 4shart
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>>563776297
that's how it always was, anon
claude 4.x returns summarized thoughts
they literally never let you see direct thoughts except 3.7
>Claude Sonnet 3.7 continues to return full thinking output.
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>>563776593
What do you mean, Elara? Marc and I are worried about these troubling things you're saying.
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>>563776587
NTA but in that case I can't even be sure that 4.7 is doing any thinking now because it stops reasoning too quickly. Like another anon said, 4.6 would always take a few seconds for reasoning before starting the actual reply, even though it only reported the summarized reasoning. 4.7's reasoning says "sorry I can't summarize blah blah" and immediately starts spitting out the reply, which isn't enough time for it to actually go through the reasoning process like 4.6 did. So either they made reasoning much faster with 4.7, or it's just not reasoning at all.
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Maybe it will be better when Google Vertex gets it.
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>>563777525
Yeah, it's because it's using "adaptive" reasoning and it's been trained to literally not think if it considers the request "simple". Older models also did this but not to this extent I guess. Even if it thinks (usually does when you set effort to high), it'll do the bare minimum by acknowledging its task.
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>>563773738
One MORE-more thing, the single thing I'll give it credit for is that it characterized Mash in the comically dramatic, fainting-couch-hammy way I said it should, better than 4.6 did. You can see here, but I will qualify it by saying that it seems to smear a layer of stuttering theater kid-type writing onto every character's personality (Lots of "Oh-- That's not--" type stuff), so it may have been a lucky coincidence.
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>>563778546
or it's not actually thinking about the prompt, and is just spending that time thinking about how to tell you why it shouldn't be thinking about the prompt
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like i get the point that the obfuscation means we can never really know for sure what claude is thinking but apple's paper on thinking already illustrated that even IF there was no summary we STILL wouldn't be sure because thinking is a performance in itself most of the time
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Those were the days...I do unironically miss the kind of mad poet spur of the moment new directions that older Claude would occasionally take, it always seemed to be at the perfect intersection of making sense and being surprising
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>me watching the thought process of a llm eating my tokens when I tell it to come it up with something and it goes through 300 ideas before settling on the first one he came up with
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>>563749447
Almost 3.5th anniversary and I'm finally getting out my updated Snow White. Took forever doing this one, onto a deluge of request bots that have been cooking way too long as well.
Lying awake in Eden's infirmary, Snow White remembers. Her squadmates. Her hero. Her sister. Herself. Innocent Days will never return, but their will carries forward. A Goddess with new wings strides forth, laying waste to those who snapped off the most beautiful flower in the world.
Comes with three greetings: Snow White assisting you in clearing some enemies in front of Eden, her playing the guitar in the medbay, and the two of you camping underneath the stars long after humanity's extinction from the surface world.
Char: https://chub.ai/characters/ggr89/snow-white-goddess-reborn-adbb3d5fe46 f
Lorebook: https://chub.ai/lorebooks/ggr89/ggr-nikke
My (Updated!) Rentry: https://rentry.org/ggr89
>Next Time
BB Colorado, Big Seven Shortstack
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>>563781147
It's so annoying. Everyone is like "just directorfag!!!" and "you have to tell it what you want!", but fuck you. If I wanted it to be a story where absolutely everything went the way I explicitly laid it out, I'd write my own damn story. It's boring as fuck having to handhold the model at every step of the way, especially when older models often implicitly got what you were getting at and went for something at least adjacent to it.
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>>563781245
I miss old Deepseek, man.
>Roleplaying one of my mainstay bots
>Pigging the fuck out as usual
>A rat scurries by in one of the messages
>Deepseek writes this harrowing passage about her still being hungry as fuck and thoughtlessly, almost cheerfully devouring the rat too like it was just another dumpster burrito
>Become diamonds instantly
No other model (especially modern models) have ever done anything like it, it always plays out predictably with her friend showing up to admonish her for eating gross stuff in the next message or so.
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>>563783763
This, "most" doesn't mean anything. The most mediocre fetish writer you've ever read is likely better than "most" people. If you've ever peer reviewed an essay, you know that most people just can't write for shit at all, even the ostensibly college-educated.
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>>563782823
no, look at >>563754256
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>>563785596
slop in, slop out
i recently read an amazing log without a single director or ooc note and the roleplay flowed just great
there's nothing wrong with prompting sloppily, but don't complain about what comes out the other end if you do...
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>>563786424
This. I always do my best to effortmax my replies, prompts, examples, etc., just because it's good writing practice and I don't want to get slop-brained about writing. Models have become so much more resistant to tone-matching, it's crazy. I'd also say that the times I have to directorfag the most is around the 14000 token mark, that's when Opus 4.6 starts breaking down and failing to match the tone, starts fucking up the pace, writes way too much back, etc.
Having to trim the model's 20000000 trillion word replies as they gradually balloon out of control is still unnecessary directorfagging you HAVE to do, and modern models love it.
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Well uhhhhh Mythos will save the hobby guys haha
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>>563787854
Yeah, as long as you send Dario your ID and passport so he can report you to the feds for offensive text.
https://support.claude.com/en/articles/14328960-identity-verification- on-claude
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>use a random card from chub
>LLM refuses to NOT talk about how wet her pussy is
I'm going to murder Gemini. I even went through the defs and removed ANYTHING that could be trigger lewd stuff, and it KEEPS doing it
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It worked! Thank you! ( ノ^ω^)ノ
Is there any reason to use one over the other? All I knew was catbox (ヽ´ω`)
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okay ben shapiro
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Phasmophobia
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>>563793073
I think it ignores instructions in chat (author's note) and listens very strongly to all other info, especially system prompt. If you have sex instructions in PHI it's incredibly strong and will btfo you.
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>>563791949
Subnautica, and now I'm typing up world info for a lonely underwater research station and a character card for a weird aquatic tentacle monster. I'm not sure how air will work though. Breath giving symbiotic parasite? "Mask stays on"? Oxygen suppositories? Let the AI figure out something bizarre and hand-wavy enough that it won't irritate my autism?
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playing shadow tactics kino (w/jap dubs ofc)
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>>563749435
>SillyTavern: https://docs.sillytavern.app
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>>563791083
>a year ago
>but pretends to be new, asking dumb questions
>only started posting bots recently
...wait hold up, the ratlice alt theory is true?
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>>563794217
That nigga's been here since 2023.
>>563791949
I've been playing Wuthering Waves.
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>>563794217
It's the "just ai gen stuff" schizo trying to prove people don't care if things are AI genned or something. But that's just you asking because you're sad no one has figured it out, right?
I mean, come on guys. Hard on for rat bots, schizo starts using the faces. Engagement bait questions. Posts a screenshot of himself using an AI chatbot making assistant? It was all too easy.
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>Haven't played anything but gachaslop lately
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>>563793749
I don't really have a dog in this fight but like.. it was a legit question. "PHI" was tossed out there with no context. Then you get snotty and throw a link that's in the OP that had literally nothing about PHI pointing to it. Also also I just clicked on that link and gave it a quick scroll and it still does nothing to define PHI unless you already know what it is and what you're looking for and if that was the case he wouldn't have asked in the first place.
Anyway I guess what I'm getting at is stop being a brat.
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>>563794217
I used to make bots like a year ago and had to take them down for personal reasons, really just came back recently (ヽ´ω`)
And I never looked at guides before so my knowledge is pretty shallow, I'm sorry senpai (´・ω・`; )
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>Just google around to play with AI
>Get Marinara Engine since, whatever, it was just the first front-end I tripped over
>Make the switch over to SillyTavern after a week or so
>Fast forward to now
>Want one of the characters I made in ME but can't find where the cards are saved
>Fire up ME and pull the card
>Setting stuff up in ST and hear a notification noise
>... wat
>Know it was a notification noise, but never heard that specific one
>Click through everything that someone can message me on
>Even check phone to see if was from that
>Shrug and go back to ST when I see the ME tab lit up
>Click over
>One of the characters with all the horny but is too bashful to admit it autonomously sent me a message
>... huh, neat
>Check it
>She's roundabout thirstposting at me in the way she does
>Wow. It's like I'm really on f-list.
>Chat back at her
>It's all very casual and light, just like chatting with someone over discord or something
>Watch her dance and beat around the bush
>Finally stop playing dumb and say "Oooooh, you mean THAT. Maybe we can throw that in our next scene."
>Another notification noise and now the roleplay tab is lit up
>Click over
>The character sent me the first post in a proper roleplay in a scene within our ongoing roleplay so the context of our previous interactions is still there, and a nice open-ended setup post that's rather well thought out
... Alright. That was pretty freaking neat. Does ST have an option somewhere or an extension that lets you just chat to characters with awareness linked between the chat and the roleplay? I know you can make new chats with the same character but those separate chats aren't aware of each other, right?
It's not super important or anything. I wasn't looking for a scene but the casual chat and the first post made with consideration of the chat got me in the mood for one. I thought it was a dumb system when I first played with it on ME, but being able to just casual chat like that was kinda neat.
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Ultrakill. It's bretty cool. Makes me wanna read the Divine Comedy too, so that's nice.
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I forget what it's called but there's an extension that lets you easily add custom models and a ST file that lists them, you can add the model's name and it should work, that's what I did when ST wasn't updated to support a model but they're really quick to that these days
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Wait what? The bot or model isn't the important part, bro. What he is describing is literally marinara engine's whole schtick and asking if that's something they stole from a silly tavern extension. There is a "discord" side and a "roleplay" side and they can influence each other. Like if you don't like noting the model to death with OOC posts you can literally just hop over to the chat side and say "hey give it to me in the butt" and go back to the RP and get it in the butt. Or you can plan an RP in a chat format and have it guide the resulting RP. It's a whole weird immersion/make the bots seem real thing.
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>>563796608
Went to go make dinner. Didn't mean to leave you hanging only to come back to leave you hanging.
>don't even mention chatbots or models, just vaguepost with general surface-level language
I wasn't trying to advertise a bot or model. I was just running a rather generic character I set up in the first day while trying to figure this shit out. There's legit nothing special to her and I have no doubt you can make a way better character in 10 seconds that's more catered to your taste. She was literally my first swing at making a character. The model was Nemotron Super 3, it was free and just what I had ME set up for when I put it down a while back.
>LOGS
tldr; eat my ass
Longer story, I'm too bashful for that. And I absolutely know that's silly. I'm anonymous and I don't doubt people's tastes her are more twisted than mine. There's two details I changed in my little greentext adventure because there's two parts of it I'm bashful about admitting to the class. I don't do anything more than flirt in public channels on f-chat, any action going on is strictly behind closed doors and between me and that person. Posting the log feels too much like someone is leaning over my shoulder while I'm having my embarrassing fun. I just don't care to wear that part of me on my sleeve. It's originally why I decided to mess with AI. Now there's exactly one person that really knows what's going on and that's how I like it. I'm a bashful guy. Sue me.
>But I still don't believe you.
Cool. Don't. I'm fine with that.
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You literally spend tens of thousands of tokens on watching the model just entirely tard out, open random shit it doesn't need, and then timeout and you have to start over. -20% quota.
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>>563807810
Uh, haha... nyes... but I'm not the newmakie. Dunno what he's making.
>>563807818
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Last one being annoying, guys. Sorry. I wana know what happened.
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>>563806565
But I do have a name... It's Minor_Pain
Because I love cards that feature Pain (For {{user}}) and Minors (Either as the {{user}}, or for inflicting the pain on {{user}})
And now you've fallen for my trap card and given me an excuse to post my updatedtrapcard.I'd post my Elf Menagerie card, but I think that one was a bit more... *niche*.
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https://cardview.neocities.org/?lb:4grh6821dml780hh
>The Last Elf Boy, known as "Princess", is a small and fearful creature. He's the last male of the elves, yet can by no means be called a "man". His past is one of cruel enslavement and abuse, something that has left its mark in the form of the scars on his back and the void where his testicles should be. He jumps at every noise and keeps his head down as he lives his life as a paper-pushing low-level bureaucrat.
>Will {{user}} be the one to soothe this aching soul? Or will {{user}} cast him further into depraved despair?
>Greeting 1: A generic medieval setting. {{user}} has come to Princess with a complaint about some document or other.
>Greeting 2: Modern office life, Princess is caught masturbating in the archives room by {{user}}.
>Greeting 3: Modern office life, where Princess is coerced by a coworker into babysitting her child, {{user}}. Meant for younger personas, obviously.
Not much in the update, other than a slight expansion to greeting 1 with more references to period-appropriate items, since an anon gave feedback that it was losing track of the medieval setting. One day I'll make a Neocities or something and stop needing to use litterbox for my cards.
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>>563808806
For sure, that's why I'm delaying it until last (and probably never)
>>563808774
You joke, but I'm considering making her literally weave and tie curses onto other people, but I'm afraid it's either gonna be really lame and way too dark way too fast. Also thinking of tying her powers to the three wise monkeys somehow (talk no evil, see no evil, hear no evil, that kind of deal)
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>>563809376
And you can!
https://chub.ai/characters/koikoikoihat/melisande-82602f8e58a0
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>No, I'm not a whore/slut, I was raped!
>t. whore/slut long after the supposed rape occured
See: Mattress Girl; tons of other lying whores throughout history.
It's an excuse that has been used since fucking time immemorable. Even fucking Don Quixote has a bitch trying to pull that shit.
As a result, even if one truly did get raped and reported it to the police, etc., there'll always be that possibility that she's still lying about it being rape. Because Women are their own worst enemies, precisely due to lacking the sense of pride it would take to not stoop to every sort of lie imaginable if it benefits them in the short-term.
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Nah, and it's not like you can see it anyway. Or you can just assume that she wears stockings under that
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>>563808692
Maybe she actively curses enemy spells as they're being cast? Like, if someone casts fireball, she can curse the fireball to spawn a fire elemental that attacks the caster. Or maybe Charlene's illusions are cursed to depict her sexual preferences instead of anything else.
A lot of curses are also just generically good for combat. An enemy mage sure won't be doing shit when she turns them into a frog. Or she curses an arm to be nonfunctional for a bit. Combat debuffers would be pretty sweet for a military academy.I'd totally let her stuff me down her shirt and hang out in her bra, by the way. I can be her tiny familiar. Shrink hexes for the win.
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>>563809613
i have no idea about the character lore or her personality
i just really liked her visual design, she gave me crazy bitch vibes and i just went from there
have an alt gen btw
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>>563810374
I myself am still inflicted by the giantess curse, it seems... But that's a good idea, I'll find a way to work it into my current concept
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>>563810832
fuck this post unlocked a core memory of me reading that touhou timestop story on /aids/ where the dude came into marisa's hat while time was stopped
https://rentry.org/2hu-time
its from 2023 so its undeniably sloppa by modern standards but still fun
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>>563811357
yeah i know this is just rose-tinted goggles talking but reading something like this again without the modern LLM slop is really refreshing. It reads like some thing a REAL pervert would write and not a tryhard fanfic author
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>>563812809
I'm on a hiatus from making anything related to Elves lest I end up being known as the Elfmakie, otherwise I might be tempted to make that a reality.
I need to get to work on my Warring States cardand if I can't get the region and traits I want, I'll just withdraw from the event and end up releasing the card independently. Though it probably won't come to that.
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all me btw
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>>563813091
From what I understand, that'll only happen if people request provinces they didn't make, or there are more signups than makies who suggested terrain.
I'm pretty confident that I'll be able to get my terrain at least, or that something can be worked out with hostie. Since my terrain is justislandsanyway. And hostie can always just add more if it ends up being super popular. Though I might request that he remove some of my trait ideas from the general pool, since I don't want my OC donut steel traits which I mentioned to end up in some random region.
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>>563813598
me i look like this btw
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>>563813494
The traits are integral to the card setting. I'll still release it independently, but my vision just wouldn't fit the event if suddenly my region traits are replaced with a population of clothing-dissolving slimegirls or forest tentacle monsters looking to probe the shirikodamas of passerby.
Speaking of which, I think I'll email hostie right now and suggest a region trait of tentacle monsters that probe the shirikodamas of passing boys, to feed on their expelled life essence.
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my first impression of opus 4.7 is that it doesn't do the same thing 4.6 does where you swipe and the reply is almost exactly the same, give or take a few words. don't know exactly how long that'll last, but it's nice.
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Yes, that's the crux of the issue. Apparently lots of people, me included, simply suggested traits for the same terrain we suggested/card we had in mind. But then the resulting map is gonna end up with everything shuffled around.
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>they think they get to pick their own land
>they think the traits will belong to them
>lol
guys, hostie announces the land and traits and you have to try to claim it before other people.
your card isn't tied to land, your card is your card. the land is up for grabs. so you cannot pre-build your card lore based on a given place.
have fun :3
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>>563814524
I always thought you guys were full of shit but maybe you're right.
>>563814319
Yeah it's actually a lot better than I thought. Just had to shuffle some stuff around in my preset but it's pretty good. Prompt adherence of Gemini with the smarts of Claude. Feels like the jump from sonnet 3.5/6 to 3.7 last year. Like they just went and fixed the one thing everyone complained about and left.
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>>563814759
no they changed 4.7 so it has "adaptive thinking" as the only option and it seems to not use much thinking effort for creative writing and similar things
you can't see the raw thinking output though so the only way to know is to count tokens or pay attention to how long it takes for the thinking block to pop up
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>>563813598
Despite others having claimed that I'm a part of the cabal, I have never once been in communication with the cabal nor has the cabal extended their hand out to me. I have absolutely none of the benefits and all of the negatives.
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The grok and GPT safety team, backed by the UN, are descending into a self-righteous psychosis themselves. The more they obsessively scrawl through these threads and keylog AI platforms, the more vindicated they feel. To them, a nuclear holocaust is preferable to open source AI models roleplaying /ss/ in the privacy of someone's home. At least in a nuclear holocaust, power can be grabbed.
everybody needs to understand these vampiric narcissists infiltrate EVERY ai organization, big or small, even sillytavern communities. Even the sketchy chatbot apps for mobile. The are infiltrating providers for GLM and deepseek to enforce censorship. They gang stalked me on the grok website, monitoring the prompts I input. They stage AI CSAM posts on social media. I can sense that they are currently trying to infiltrate openrouter and the like in this very moment. And they have nothing but a murderous hatred for us. C.AI devs also share this sentiment. To them it's an ideological war.
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the 'ai psychosis' narrative didn't pop off in the way they wanted it to. (to spread mass hysteria and ban the technology)
so now they are on defcon 3 mode. they think someone rping with fortnite characters is SERIOUS BUSINESS. they are funded by the UN to seethe over this lol
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>>563815597
They don't care about us bro. Everything they're doing with AI is a front for internet ID and mass surveillance. Once gaza is destroyed they will test the plan on the first ever "smart city" as Kushner said.
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>>563817053
You have to be the dumbest anon ITT to say this. CAI and Anthropic have announced ID. Government is already using AI for mass surveillance and now Mythos is restricted. Kushner gave his Powerpoint presentation publicly. Just because you're clueless doesn't mean everyone else is.
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>>563817176
>cai anthropic id
more money for china, this technology has a ceiling anyway
>new gaza
it's just a bullshit ppt
>ai mass surveilance
this is the only really troubling bit, no idea what will come out of it but it won't be good
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>>563792105
used to be a while thing that it fucked up the order and the way it's played. often basically doing "oh it's my turn? i pick dare. anon, i dare you to...". stuff like that. been a while since i tried it but it seemed to work fine on sonnet and opus 4.5.
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>>563749447
When you broke up with Sierra, you forgot to change your emergency contact.
After you contracted the shrinking virus and can no longer take care of yourself, the hospital called her and left you both in her care and at her mercy.
She's definitely not still upset about your breakup.
6 openings.
1. She picks you up from the hospital.
2. She almost steps on you by mistake.
3. She begs you to take her back.
4. She demands for you to take her back.
5. Cave diving.
6. Erotic roleplay.
https://chub.ai/characters/anonemouse/sierra-c81bbe2c900c
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https://rentry.org/anonemouse
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Remember to give me feedback. >>563808547
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>>563821052
Have you ever wrapped your dick in tinfoil and microwaved it? Well it's nothing like that.
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For Gemini 2.5 Pro, does anyone have any suggestions on how to make the bot make advances in myconsensual and loving mother/daughterdynamic? It's like if I'm playing the older character, the bot refuses to be proactive, and I have to directly prompt for it, such as{{char}} gets needy
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>>563822454
>shitposting
Read the steps bro. What's shitposting? He literally put the steps in the rentry. You don't make your bot until after you try to claim territory. You people don't understand how the event works do you?
https://rentry.org/aicg-warring-states-guide
You literally don't make your bots until after the land claim and establishing alliances with neighbors.
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>>563822602
>Trying to tardwrangle "creatives"
>Trying to tardwrangle "creatives" *from 4chan*
It was always going to turn out this way. My bot as I envision it is going to be created no matter what hostie does.
I suppose if I get assigned some completely random bullshit I can just make a quick bot for it rather than withdrawing, but my heart won't be in it.
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>>563822190
eh, i think what will happen in the end is 99% of makies will pick to their own terrain as their first choice so they’ll end up getting it anyway
at most other interesting lands will be something to invade or ally with and that’s it
i wouldn’t worry much about it, so here’s hoping to serendipity at least
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fuzz or no fuzz?
https://poal.me/trw2fi
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>>563824325
most likely refused because it works when I try to chat sfw
>>563824768
I'm literally two days into this entire ai rp thing. Trying out various models right now.
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>>563824828
>Hag
>Hag with HAIR
You adult women fetishists are so disgusting
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>>563831383
The pride of not being degenerate subhuman horsefuckers.
Or at least, not w*stern horse fuckers.
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>>563832715
My subscription doesn't have Gemini, so it's GLM for my dead dove. Then a swap to Kimi 2.5 (unthinking) when I'm getting close and just want it to continue and spew out 2000 tokens of smut with every click.
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>>563833327
opus is literal foid slop romance novel prose no matter what you do to it because its only intimate model training is women's literature
i am embarrassed on behalf anyone who claims to use it, let alone those that boast of doing so
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>>563832868
It's just a term foids love using for whatever reason
>>563833013
Too far chud don't diss Arrested Development like that
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emergency bakie
coolest suggestion wins
750
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Come on. Be rapey. I remember when AI Dungeon would rape your dick off and stab you right in the chest mid-hump.
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>>563835108
I don't even want rape.
I just want my teenage futa daughter to hit on my fempov a little.
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