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Chinese Martial Artists Cooks Edition
GGST 2.0 and Jam starter guide
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>UPCOMING
2.0 bracket set for april 18th 5pm est
global tournament
double elimination ft3
register HERE
https://challonge.com/tournaments/signup/VW257aRG8F#/signup/f28yvue9lf
GGST 2.0 and Jam are live!
Blazing battle pass: May
Robo=Ky: Summer
>RESOURCES
Main wiki with frame data and information about system mechanics: https://www.dustloop.com
Fighting game glossary: https://glossary.infil.net/
Deflect Shield OS tech: https://youtu.be/zmQeJLe_w9U [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]
>Replay Uploaders
https://replaytheater.app/?game=xrd
https://replaytheater.app/?game=acpr
https://replaytheater.app/?game=strive
>Xrd/+R/#R/ML Resources
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guiltygear/wiki/learngg/
https://github.com/YouKnow232/ggxxacpr_overlay/releases
https://www.dustloop.com/w/GGXRD-R2/Resources
https://github.com/WistfulHopes/ggml_public/releases
>Current GGST Patch 2.0 (April 9th)
https://www.guiltygear.com/ggst/en/news/post-2851/
>Guilty Gear Soundtracks
https://mega.nz/folder/VRxC2JqT#E0Jfw9f_yEwIV6yFgXnDZw/
>/ggg/ APPROVED Strive mods
Potato Mod Lite: https://gamebanana.com/mods/299494/
Potato Low Spec: https://gamebanana.com/mods/296927/
Frame Data Display/Replay Takeover 1.49+: https://github.com/WistfulHopes/UE4SSMods/releases/tag/replay-0.2.4
State region when making lobbies for the thread and announce in the thread when you close them. You ft10 anyone you make the lobby. Keep training and keep on rockin'!
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ENOUGH, FROM THE GRANBLUE TARDS
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I lasted a week. I've reached that point where most of the time I just feel apathy regardless of winning or losing, so I know it's time to quit.
Sometimes I still have fun when I win and get mad wben I lose but most of the time I'm just wondering why am I not doing something else.
Patch's pretty good though. Hopefully they keep at it instead of adding more kuso shit every patch. Reception seems very positive.
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So what news moves do guys like for the remaining characters in the roster that don't have a new move yet?
>Base Roster - Millia Rage
>DLC Season 1 - Goldlewis, Jack-O, Happy Chaos, Baiken, Testament
>DLC Season 2 - Bridget, Sin, Bedman, Asuka
>DLC Season 3 - Johnny, Elphelt, ABA, Slayer
>DLC Season 4 - Dizzy, Venom, Unika, Lucy
>DLC Season 5 - Jam
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lmfao some guy was playing Venom and used Dark Angel against me. I was playing Zato and Broke the Law right underneath it. The fucking guy immediately DC'd. Fuck that cracked me right up.
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>>563826189
What if Johnny got coins in addition to the cards
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>>563826189
you really wanna give Slayer something else?
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Been like 3 years since I hosted a lobby here. Wonder if I'll see any old faces
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Kek. Anyway how's Chipp in strive now?
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It's strange. I used to watch Kizzie's videos leading up to Strive's release and he's largely a factor in why I actually wanted to play the game. I found the Kizzie jokes funny and he played Ky who was pretty respectable to play back then when the top tiers were quite dominant. I actually thought he was one of the best players since he made it look easy and managed to place well a few times in big tourneys, but now I just watch him play and know that I've kinda surpassed him in this game a long time ago. I suppose that's what happens when you play while other people don't. You get better and they get worse. Basically, it's allowed me to see that the only difference between "pros" and you is the amount of time you put inand the gene
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I got placed too low for ranked and now I'm like 20/24
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so why was nogor given a new half screen low special that paused his blood gauge that's supposed to be his crucial weakness that now allows him to ape out to close a round in a 2.5-touch game?
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>>563831420
>So is Vanquisher the elo rank?
Yes
>Is it hard to reach in this game like in SF6 or Granblue?
Much like every fighting game ranking system, reaching Vanquisher is more of an inevitability than anything if you play long enough because you gain more points winning than you do losing but once you acutally reach Vanquisher you can lose more than you win if you lose to someone of lower elo.
>What rank are most players right now?
Pic rel
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>>563831069
I think its good to give everyone at least one shot just to see. I'll go ahead and make a new one
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>>563831643
is /ggg/ in the autism club?
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>>563831420
Shit, I meant "easy to reach". Mybad
>>563831529
You fall upwards in SF6. In Granblue, you are outright pulled into S++ with a 30% win rate.
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HC never should've made it past the proof of concept phase due to his inherently poor design. He should've just gone the way of WA, and replaced with something else nobody will use.
His original design was a plague, and his change is objectively healthy for the game, regardless of what your stupid "they paid $5, so they're obligated to ruin the game forever, because 4 years wasn't enough" principles say.
If you felt that strongly about it, you'd be against all balance patches in general across all games, because any slight adjustment changes them from the character people initially bought.
There's nothing wrong with refining a product that the majority of people aren't happy with; if HC retained his original design, 2.0 wouldn't have attracted *any* new players.
Tekken just got its heavy nerf patch, and you see them bitching about "muh DLC changes"? No, they're actually celebrating for once.
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>>563832521
It's sad since while the concept for Happy Chaos is cool, it is inherently broken. Being able to frame 1 hit someone anywhere in the screen is such an absurd mechanic in a fighting game that it either is complete dogshit because it has either is made way too hard to use with setup or lack of use, or it's broken because it's too accessible and can't be played around. Even this season they fucked up by trying to make it still usable and have ended up making him giga busted again since he can lock you down anywhere if he has the execution. And even if the execution is too hard, he still has such dominance at fullscreen that you're constantly left at his whims. It doesn't help that he has some of the most absurd buttons in the game
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I like how for the past 4 years Happy Chaos was actually easy as fuck and anyone could play him because he was just that broken but now that he's a steady aim bot NOW we're admitting he's actually very high execution and extremely difficult to play well
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>>563836873
The people complaining about new Aba are fucking insane for thinking the old needed everything it had. The character literally played itself because of how stupidly strong she was and never had real moments of "my turn is over"
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please ignore that old happy chaos could literally reload between every shot of steady aim while still comboing you
or that he used to not have the steady aim control shortcuts
or that he used to have one and two frame links
I'm sure pressing up and down for portals is just way too hard for the people that have been playing that character for years.
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>>563837787
It's funny because it's just the complete gapless jailing from fullscreen that is hard to do just because it's constant movement on the fingers. You eventually get a rhythm for it. You don't have to completely jail someone to just win since even if you leave a gap during some of it, what are they even gonna do? What character has options from fullscreen that allows them to interrupt Chaos within 10 frames at most? Nobody, and that's why he's still gigabusted
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>>563837649
mfw the weakku weaku normal mode had looping infinite plus frames
mfw weakku normal mode had a 4-framer that one the round on hit
mfw weakku weakku normal mode has evasive high low mix
mfw slow slow normal mode had 2 invincible dandy steps
mfw you start with gauge and it takes like 2 blocked slash buttons to get enough to win with
mfw this was all on a character with big body health
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>>563837787
>or that he used to have one and two frame links
he behaves practically the same as when he had to land the frame perfect input every steady shot
gapless fullscreen zoning that can't be approached because muh execution
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>one the round
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>>563837649
>check Tiger's twitter
>he's still seething about the nerfs
>he's now playing jam
>tweets saying he won't be playing HC until they "fix" him
Some shitskins really thought they were worth something because of those top tiers
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>>563838786
Who is struggling? The people who are actually decent like Jack are showing off how stupid he still is. Carried niggers will lose on him since it takes them 10x as long as people with brains to learn how to hit buttons in the right order and how to win when it goes wrong. It's not like the talent pool is particularly large in the first place considering there are only a couple decent players on the easy as shit characters
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>>563838812
>the best HC is the only one who likes the character enough to stick with him through a rework
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>only one who likes the character enough to stick with him through a rework
Lets be real. He was already trying other characters since he thought Chaos was gonna be shit. He's lucky that Chaos is actually still broken so he doesn't have to anymore. I would know since I beat him in ranked when he was trying Sol, who to be fair is also quite a bit worse than last patch
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>Gio special needs child mushes his face on his controller and vomits a barrage of plus frames
One single low IQ charge special or churn butter pot buster takes infinitely more skill than what Giovanna players call """offense""". She represents everything wrong with modern fighters. Deport this brownoid to some third world kusoge.
>"B-But she's honest!"
Yeah, honestly braindead. You are not a glue-eater, but the entire crayon factory.
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>every single tierlist since 2.0 dropped had Testament either bottom2 or bottom1
Lmao as I said before, diamond1 testament is vanq 1k8 on every other character, so as a 1k6 I own all of your dogshit carried niggas in this general.
Don't even bother dropping the lobby I don't play with carried shitters like you.
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HOLY SHIT I just watched pre-nerf Aba Texas Showdown since I thought it was post patch for some reason this character's resource might as well have not existed what the actual fuck
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who the fuck edits this
this bitch is +R ABA unga
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>>563844637
ABA's kind of cooked, basically every top level player who played her thinks she's dead, not just the whiny ones
they decided to make it so that if she uninstalls by force she eats an optimal punish so now every time you make a simple mistake or guess wrong on your own offense you lose the round. she's still oppressive in JR until then though (normal mode sucks ass now)
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>>563844556
>Limited options for contesting air approaches
These have always been a joke but come the fuck on
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>>563836594
issa low tier
https://x.com/V2_HelloWorldVV/status/2044683434938011661
arcsys reworked him
https://x.com/sanakan787/status/2043167037116338430
he's bad now
https://x.com/gcyoshi13/status/2045005405953364079
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>>563844908
I'm going to make a big callout here and say top players in Strive do not even attempt to play a non "solved" version of gameplans and as a result have no fucking idea what they're talking about for the new version of the game.
Strive since it's release has been a solved game at the highest level, in the sense that you had ONE interaction at the start of the round to decide who the snowballer was and 75%+ of the time that person won the match.
Top players are ofcourse people who optimized their versions of "always being the snowballer" and securing their wins off the snowball.
So I have 0 faith in their ability to determine her strength or any other characters strength in a version of the game they no longer are optimized for but are still pretending it is.
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>>563846930
Pot has never been alluded to be some burly alcoholic like Sol would be.
He's actually an extremely intelligent pacifist, passionate about drawing and nature with a huge respect for hierarchy. He would either drink tea or water.
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>>563848559
You don't really have to think hard about it. Even looking at the texas showdown footage, ABA regularly didn't instantly sweep off of JR and got forced out by losing a neutral interaction. JR is not stable enough in strive for it to be worth the downside of "you instantly die if they make you block and you don't have the meter to try to escape"
pretty much every player who isn't a ranked player who wants her dead is saying something like "she needs to either lose this weakness or she needs more ways to prolong JR"
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>>563847507
I know what you are
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2.0 bracket set for april 18th 5pm est
global tournament
double elimination ft3
register HERE
https://challonge.com/tournaments/signup/VW257aRG8F#/signup/f28yvue9lf
ONE DAY UNTIL THE TOURNAMENT
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>>563823370
Grubbas and Strivers are both ArcSys enjoyers.
We are like brothers
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It’s funny I never got to play ABA pre-2.0 because I fell off at S3 and only just came back but I’m having a lot of fun as her right now. The JR payoff feels so good after the frantic early game of trying to have perfect defense and thread the needle for a counter hit. It’s such an explosive difference in power level whereas I look at old footage and it seems like JR being tied to a resource was a formality because getting meter was so easy. Also doesn’t seem like JR itself got hit that hard so your win con is still there it just takes effort to get into.
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>>563850598
Granblue Ky-lonized
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>>563851147
What is it?
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>>563823381
Damn, his pressure really is fucking busted.
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>>563851385
cmere bestie
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>>563849623
If the ABA is letting themselves pop that’s their fault though. You can see the meter. If you fail to open them up in the first five seconds of your Swiss army can opener mode, back off and switch modes.
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>>563851520
it is a normal human man who was transformed into a rabbit after eating jam's cooking for literally no reason
he thinks if he eats more of her food he'll turn back
jam thinks the guy dined and dashed and left his rabbit and is trying to find the guy
this is her entire story in strive
anybody who actually cares about gg lore is a secondary
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>>563851657
Get away from me!
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>>563851613
Why is Sol Badguy giving himself an atomic wedgie?
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>>563852045
what the FUCK
>>563823381
>showers with the headband on
based lore knower
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Man I really want to go to evo japan, but I don't want people thinking I'm evil
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>>563851805
I thought she was an excellent cook, why would this random shit happen
is this some sort of chink batsoup covid dig?
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>>563851923
come ooonnnnnn~
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>>563852651
If elphelt is on top of you, it's already too late.
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>>563852430
NOONONOONONO
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>>563851805
Fun story, small details, soulful
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>>563854526
If you learn #reload, you only have to learn the meme system changes in every other X2 game, and look at some character pages on dustloop.
Also proficiency in #reload translates to being better at literally every fucking guilty gear, and boomers will never stop playing it, unironically.
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>>563854696
>similar animations across the board
>thunderbird and riding free is infamously better versions of bandit bringer and night raid vortex
>delta clock is literally a roman cancel
I hate Bea too, but she was very clearly based off Sol. That being said, it's funny how >>563854831 inherited the dust loop
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>>563855858
THUNDERBIRD
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A DIVEKICK
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hes the joka baby
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>>563856035
Why, because it's not an overhead? Plenty of divekicks hit mid. What's important in this context is that it looks similar and is plus on block regardless of height and spacing.
Also that other anon is right. What an ugly color for a lame reference
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>>563856892
FUN
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I miss this dumb overdrive like you wouldn't believe, but not because it's ever been that good, or useful, but because she looks so cute when she does it in all the old games.
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>>563849623
>"You are actually punished if you let your meter run out through mismanagement"
>"you don't have the meter to try and escape"
You do realize you are one of the only characters left in the game that gets an extended turn THIS long and with THIS much damage? Sure you guys can lose the JR punish change BUT when you do don't cry when they gut your damage to bring you in line with everyone else now that you have no risk that is in line with your reward.
It just proves my point entirely that you are trying to play previous strive with her still.
rounds don't end in 2 interactions, fucking back off when you are getting low on JR or accept that if you go for one more mix you will explode, ACTUAL DECISION MAKING WOW
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>>563856996
Bandit Bringer is never plus on block?
Bandit Bringer is also a punch, not a kick?
So they're LITERALLY nothing alike in appearance OR usage??????
Retard??????????????????????
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I don't know what's worse, the fact that they actually had the balls to call this shit Sidewinder or the fact that they called it Sidewinder Ignited like its a fucking upgraded version
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>>563857461
>Bandit Bringer is never plus on block?
Stop posting
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>>563858509
Let's be real here. No one played this game prior to the netcode update
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>>563858509
Why don't you STRIVE to figure out your gender, sis?!
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>>563858979
I played it on the PSP along with Judgment.
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>>563859023
What orbs? You mean the powerup versions of the specials?
Enhanced Dragon Kick is -35
Enhanced Gekirin is -1
Enhanced Ryuutsui is +6
If we are going to include the Demon Flip versions
Demon Flip Dragon kick is -53
Demon Flip Gekirin is +7
Demon Flip Ryuutsui is -4
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>>563858979
I didn't play a fighting game other than killer instinct until like 2023 with type lumina for a bit
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>>563858979
AC was played by everyone, since it was on even the wii, and had online, cost almost nothing, and released in every region, unlike slash.
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I want to be Paracelsus while Aba rides me on jealously horny.
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>>563860821
I fucking love that game so much.
>>563860659
It was either mash in #reload on PS2, or mash in AC+ on wii.
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>>563857335
As an ABA player I’ve been annoyingly amused at all the ABAs calling everything useless now because it has a different purpose. Everyone keeps saying Parry is dead because they can’t throw it out in the middle of blocking for free to fuck up enemy timing and steal a turn when the main purpose was supposed to be an anti-zoning tool that got you JR.
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i want to be raped by an mentally ill woman and be her sex slave
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>>563861582
Do you enjoy women who smell like feces?
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>>563860659
>picrel literally one of the coolest fighters
Who's laughing now
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>>563861689
Me, now put that shit away. We're playing SoulCalibur today.
>"B-But I don't like the new one. The movement is too stif-"
Too fuckin bad. We spent all day yesterday filling up all the character creator slots.
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Today I made it to ever so slightly less shit bros.All I see are sins and baikens
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Perfect beings don't poop...
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>>563863228
The silver lining is that at that kinda rank everyone just brainlessly autopilot the same sequence, so once you find how to get around it you just roll over them.
Don't be afraid to ask for help against characters you don't really understand what to do against, /ggg/ is in its healing phase so people are generally helpful.
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>>563863185
I played against a single slayer so far and he vaporized my healthbar from full to like 30%.
I know it's kind of the character's gimmick, but something about felt unfair.
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>>563863049
The sheer amount of lust I feel toward her cannot be described
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>Don't worry it's the penisless version
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Xrd needed a male representative, and he was the least bad of the bunch, so they went with him and hoped they could redeem him.
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>>563865083
It's adequate for CvS2, but I'd rather play on a dance mat than do guilty gear combos on the gamecube controller ever again.
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Guilty gear 5 isn't releasing until they've thoroughly milked strive.
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>>563865387
It really is a nice system, provided you have the will to grind, you can get anything that can be bought with real money, even DLC characters, I bought a couple that way.
Granted it's an absurd amount of grinding, but if you play the game a lot it's not that much of a problem.
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Anyone remember how worried they were about strive's chances of being a success five years ago?
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>>563865912
I’m American so I never really cared about sales
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>>563865912
what I remember is that the air action/movement changes made everyone fucking despondent in the final beta
they all then proceeded to still cocksuck the game upon release, proving that the entire FGC is pure grift
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>>563867107
He is weak tocaramel
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People cried about random and braindead air dashing getting them killed, when random and braindead air dashing gets you killed in every other guilty gear game.
People cried that air dashes were slow, then proceeded to take months to figure out how to string together air combos longer than 3 hits.
People seethed so hard that they made everything gatling in the air, made dust combos super lenient, and even after all of that only Sol players and Ramtards had the gitguds to perform air combos.
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I am using Jam. I need help versus Venom with him just throwing or making balls. Unika with her just mashing combos into Dipper or Overhead.
I was surprised by a Ky player who I realized was just doing one combo, which is fine. I see the player actually thinking. But then I see the player do jab into super multiple times from actually nothing happening. I basically just got hit with jab and it's not even counterhit. Is there a stylish mode in this game?
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You want to force Venom at close range, at all time, especially if you play Jam, abuse your high/low low rank players have zero clues how to deal with it.
Throw a puffball every now and then if he try to keep away.
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Aight bro let's test it out
>Your ethnicity
>Your main
>Your main kink
Caucasian
Elphelt
Anal
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>>563869163
It's more of the fact that he's never been into anime fighters. He wouldn't even play FighterZ online despite it being a tag fighter.
Mark my words. Max will put more hours into Invincible VS than every other anime fighter he's ever played combined.
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>>563869497
Caucasian.
Ky.
Breeding.
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>>563869946
I just went to school bro...
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>>563869497
White
Asuka
ummmm cute girls
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>>563870035
they nerfed it long ago it not be infinite and nerfed it in 2.0 to not give her oki to set it up again
>>563869497
caucasian
elphelt
femdom
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>>563870168
Hate to be fair to pizzaface but having to go from a character that completely played itself to a character that only need to half play itself must be a massive shock to his brain, giving him a hard time.
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>Femdom Elphelt
I can get behind the idea, imagine her pinning you down and repeatedly slamming her fat fucking ass on your face.
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>>563869497
Latino
Jam
Extremely sloppy and passionate tongue kissing
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ROOMS UP, DING DONGS
ID: 261145
Ft3
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>>563869497
White
Sol
Yuri
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>>563869497
White
Asuka
Josou Seme
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>>563869497
White
Jam
ZR/feet
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>>563869497
black
unika
bbw
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>>563869497
Agarthan
Potemkin
Frozen grapes in the summer
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>>563869497
European caucasian.
Johnny.
Stockingsand muscles.
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>>563869497
white
faust
bbw/weight gain
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>>563869497
White
Bedman
Armpits and futa
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>>563869497
Nubian
Slayer
Fat asses
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>>563869497
huwhyte
dizzy
scents
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>>563872882
It's impossible to understand. Your brain is either wired to find them hot, or it's not.
Same with girl brains sometimes being wired to find hands really hot.
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>>563873206
oh didnt read up dolphin, up Dolphin am fairly certain is reactable to 5p her out of it during startup, and she can't point blank it after doing it once. If she up dolphins again 6p solidly wins or jump air to air or something like that
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Only click this if you've got your 6P ready!
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How do you respond?
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>>563874665
I'll go for a clash attempt.
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>>563874836
The opponent could be assfucked for big damage and a wallbreak, but only if you used 50% of your burst meter to deny her or him using 100% of her or his burst meter.
You need an unburstable hard knockdown for some reason.
You're a beginner or newbie and got a big COUNTER with button>button, and you want to cash out some resources so you can pause for breath.
You're running competent c.S pressure on someone, scored a great COUNTER right next to the wall, and you decide you'll take the positive bonus and all the other advantages at the cost of 50% burst.
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but really
when is the next update?
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>>563875983
Fuck, I was gonna quote this >>563875021 post, but whatever.
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>>563876675
Get hit by a pre update 2k -> Rc combo and maybe the 80% hp loss from a fucking 6 frame move will help jostle your brain around on it?
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>LE BACK TO THE BASIC UPDATE
>they made everyone weaker so Burst regenerates more adding 2+ more times you'll have to win neutral vs zoners/halfscreeners
this shit's only acceptable if they're planning to remove the wall
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wew the goalposts
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>>563869497
Mexican
Elphelt
Facesitting
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>>563878662
Wherever Ky goes, there are throw loops.
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This is honestly the best way to beat her in every guilty gear game. One or two are enough to inflict ego death on them.
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>>563878975
kek
I should learn Ky
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>>563879816
Learning Ky makes you better at the game overall, so it's always a good idea to play around with him.
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Wait, Lucy's cross up is safe on block? I really can't tell if I was too much of a slow retard or if it's just like that
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>FD Chipp's ultmate spider
>still die to chip damage somehow
...Eh? Does FD not protect from super damage and I had completely forgotten know? Does jumping when already in the air force you to block normally instead of FDing for a few frames...? I'm just confused.
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>>563879659
True.
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>Wait, Lucy's cross up is safe on block?
You can OS 6P with FD on it, or if you're Sol you 2D on reaction to low profile it and make it whiff for a guaranteed throw (or c.S punish if you're early enough).
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Check your replay.
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>>563880628
God I love air throws.
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>>563881086
>maybe I'm getting old but that shit is stupidly fast to be safe on block.
It's the situation; she has to use the dash attack first and unless she's point blank that also means covering some ground to get it to cross-up. That gives you time to prepare for the possibility she'll do it.
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>Didn't like Cyberpunk but some of those palette are fucking amazing
Yeah I know, this is a palette, not the game or anime, but I can't help associate the two you know
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>first game with dizzy, I'll go to the park I don't wanna fuck up placements
>level 4000 blue aura baiken, yea sure fuck me up
>I win the ft10 10-7
bro come the fuck on
how many times are you going to IAD at me
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Is there a way for me to get a player number I could share with you guys so you can see my replays? I'd like to ask for pointers on what I should improve and focus on right now.
I'm just a gold 1 shitter, I played the game but it pretty much mean fuckall with how long I haven't touched the game, only returned since 2.0
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There are player numbers and you can search others by name, but I don't think you can search by their numbers. The numbers are really long anyway. You're probably better off just uploading a video of you playing to streamable if you want feedback.
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>>563884376
Ah piss, I never used anything to record gameplay so I don't have anything for it, and I think a one or two match wouldn't be enough, I may be asking for much but I would've liked for some good players to just comb through a bunch of my replays so they get a good firm grasp of how shit I am.
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>>563883843
Do NOT listen to >>563884781
4chan is full of schizos and one of them WILL dox you if given the chance.
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>>563885656
Sorry, was trying to figure out how to deal with that anon advice with the windows + g, turns out I had the xbox stuff disabled.
I managed to record one game as a test, but I noticed two things:
The sound is mega low, I don't know why, and my mouse cursor is in the way, I suppose some settings are fucked.
I don't mind my name being visible, not only is it a shitpost, I played in lobbies as well, and I'm not dumb enough to use the same infos everywhere I go anyway, I do wish I could hide my opponent's name though.
But anyway, this is a Gold 1 match, I'm the Elphelt, let me know what you guys think and if you'd like me to record a couple other replays to get a better idea of my fuck ups.
https://streamable.com/f13elc
Thanks!
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>>563886665
I don't play Elphelt but a very easy improvement would to just use your meter more. You could have Romance Cancelled at 1:52 and taken the round, seeing as you'd see him bursting during the RC slowdown so you could block it, and then at 2:30 you could have Roman Cancelled and broken the wall too. You end every round with meter to spare, you may as well use it while you have the chance, even just doing 214K RC to close the gap would be a good option.
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That's pretty damn fair, I don't have an excuse for why I don't really use my meter, I only save it for reversal super or breaking the wall with one, lately I've been trying to focus on breaking the wall with her 236236K super.
Roman cancel, for some reasons, doesn't really exist in my mind, I don't know why man.
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You don't even attempt to play neutral. You just keep running in or trying to jump in trying to get a cl.s to connect. Sometimes you throw out incredibly risky 6hs for no particular reason.
You also do the same exact thing on offense every time which isn't necessarily horrible in this case because that Johnny has no idea how to deal with grenade, but it's something to keep in mind against people who know what they're doing.
You also have no idea how Johnny works since you sit like a deer in headlights when he throws out unsafe/minus moves.
Finally like the other anon said you sit on your meter and overcap the fuck out of it.
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Characters like bridget make no sense to me. Like ok, you hit the mix. What are you gonna do now, hit the mix again? I'm still above 50%, you've accomplished nothing
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you leave a ton of damage on the table on some easy conversions, at 1:25 for example off of that ch 2h you had a very easy wallbreak, at minimum the 214h bnb is cs 2s 2h s14s>s>h and would have been sufficient
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And that's why I was asking on advice on what I should focus on.
Also those 6H were me messing up 236H, it's happens a lot more than I'd like to admit.
That said I'd like for you to explain me more about neutral, I have a hard time grasping what you mean by that, what exactly should I be doing if not trying to attack?
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raping a slayer and then they insta decline rematch
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>love 2.0
>hate the matchmaking being fucked
>to get my Guilty Gear fix I've booted up Xrd again
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>>563889561
What, like the entire concept of neutral?
The goal is to put yourself in an advantageous position while minimizing risk, the most basic way of doing this is to land a poke into a knockdown. Use your normals to control the screen and limit the opponent's options.
A random example: at 0:59 you block mist finer and instead of pressing something he's forced to respect you jump in and eat shit. Don't ask me what you should've pressed, I don't play Elph.
Again, holding forward can and does work sometimes but only if you make the conscious read that the opponent is afraid of your buttons and will stand still. Otherwise you're giving them room and space to do whatever they want and stuff your approach.
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>>563864940
You're ideally not not supposed to block it if it's used in neutral. To do the safe dipper she has to do the 21 frame charge move and then gun dupper further adds 16 frames more.
If you don't feel confident in being able to stuff it you should jump on reaction to her charging up. If she does laser you can airdash and punish, if she does dipper you can press a jump button and punish. If she sees you jump there's a chance she might try to go for DP or the overhead to anti-air you but so long as you don't air dash early, she'll whiff and be stuck with 10 million frames of recovery.
Also depending on the spacing, you can IAD FD on reaction to her charge up to cover all her options and leaving her massively minus if she presses anything.
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elphelts basic fs > 5h > 5h > 214k is wonderful
very amazing neutral option that you don't even really need to confirm anything on
if you want to confirm that your opponent blocked you can go into charged 236h anytime, her fireball pulls you in and is very plus on block now
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>>563892847
Anon it's a gold rank match, wiht a Johnny that's jumping all over the place, throwing his massive normals around like candies, anyone would've trouble navigating that at that level of experience.
It's like you're watching this replay under the eye of somehow analyzing a match displayed on the GGST Replay channel.
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying keep it simple for simple level.
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>>563893489
Allow me to try again:
>Inexperienced is under pressure against a character he likely isn't familiar with
>Instead of doing the optimal punish, try to escape to stay in the match
I don't know man, I'll fully agree with you that there was a better options, I'm just saying that doing dumbshit like that at this level feels perfectly natural to me.
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Yeah of course it's natural but that guy posted a replay asking for feedback, what am I supposed to say? Good job you played perfectly?
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>>563894312
Something I can think of is that instead of ranting about neutral and jumping, simply saying "You missed an opportunity where Johnny left himself vulnerable", I mean it's in your own post: "you also have no idea how Johnny works since you sit like a deer in the headlight when he throws out unsafe/minus moves."
I mean come on man you really think gold players have a damn clue what "neutral" even is?
Again, I'm not saying you're not wrong, or that your advice is bad, just not suitable for somehow who's still figuring out how to move around with their own characters.
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>>563895087
Yeah that's fine too, I just wanted to give my two cents on it.
I don't play Elphelt so I can't help here, but when it come to beginners, I just think it's better to try to teach them the basics of basics, things like
>Try to set yourself in an advantageous position
>Work on your movements, when to move, when to dash, when to jump, when to IAD
>Focus on a single, simple, reliable BnB
Shit like MU details and all that can wait, that's all I'm saying bro, beginners are already struggling enough just trying to play the game because of how chaotic fighting games are, so if you're going to try and help them I believe it's better to help them figure out how to solidify their basics than the fine tuning.
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>>563880897
Going through the replay, I see:
>myself in the air blocking with FD, some ~20% meter left
>the first hit of Chipp's super visibly connects with the big green shield
>the match immediately ends, and the display says it was a chip damage kill
I just don't get it man. I even double checked the patch nothes, the data on FD, and if Chipp's supers had a special property or something, but no, according to everything I should not have taken chip damage.
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It's fine, I just wanted for advices, and I got some. I'll admit that there's some stuff that went over my head, and that I'll probably forget by tomorrow, but matter of the fact is that I did get help.
That whole shit aside, can you guys tell me why Elphelt have such a bad rep?
Lots of people seem to hate her.
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https://www.twitch.tv/baccpack
Tournament.
I know a lot of you don't like baccpack but I figured some may want to watch some shit while the patch is still fresh.
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Bridget art is kinda annoying as shit. Half the time it feels like people draw Bridget solely because they want a guilty gear girl to choke on cock, but they don't wanna draw a guy with a cock, either through incompetence or a strange aversion to the male figure. That's how you know Bridget is trans, no one sees that bitch as a man
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>>563896091
I fucking hate how they're so damn unhinged they go as far as going on porn site to change tags, and sometime try to circumvent them by tagging bridget porn as "futa" or some other nonsense.
Nowaday I just took the habit to just add -bridget_(guilty_gear) in my search because I'm fucking sick of it.
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>>563893191
>elphelts basic fs > 5h > 5h > 214k is wonderful
That is something I'm fully willing to admit on fucking up, I rarely use Elphelt's 5H, it feels weird to me and I still don't know what I can get out of it.
I guess what I'm trying to say, is that to me it feels like her 5H is some sort of finisher, so I don't use it too often.
It's retarded I know but I'm still trying to figure out what I can get out of the stuff Elphelt do.
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>>563896649
huh. I think his commentary with that euro guy are pretty entertaining at least
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>>563895623
She has tons of degenerate and braindead stuff, a lot of it has been toned down, and most wouldn't be too egregious on its own, but put it all together and you get a character designed to make people feel like they're getting mugged.
The main thing people complain about by FAR is her rekka, but overall she has:
>long reaching pokes with some good disjoint
>several normals with 6+ active frames
>an advancing 2H that goes quite far and can even go under some stuff
>a 6P capable of bringing down the Sun
>a really fast lunging special
>the most degenerate crossup special in the game, which sets up completely safe oki mixups and can even crush mids
>a rekka that can do TWO high-low 50/50s, which knocks down on hit so she can do it all over agian, and that also has safe on block enders (AND IT USED TO BE ENDLESSLY LOOPABLE INTO ITSELF, which is where a good part of the seething hatred comes from)
>a wallbreak super that gives her HKD wallbreak and puts bombs on the opponent, not letting them play the game and giving her a combo off of any hit (MUCH much more manageable after its nerfs though, and even more so with the 2.0 nerfs to meter gain nerfs)
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Games?
ID: 426086
Ft3
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>>563896453
that's not true, they both have strong personalities, close to the same personality even, just that one is a fr*nch sociopath and the other a br*tish sociopath
though you'll never see either thing reflected in fan art.
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>>563897756
I'll come after the tournament if yuropoor are welcome.
>>563897732
I can't deny I love and abuse the fuck out of her 2H, this shit is crack
I can see how playing against her is frustrating, but I just love the character and have lots of fun playing her man.
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>>563897754
Impossible as baiken
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>>563897930
It's just so fucking weird and at odds with every other design choice in the game.
All the other rekkas make you choose between high and low (or not even that) with options that have very distinct animations and different frame data, where to beat fuzzies you'd have to do risky delays or other shit. Just in general, unfuzziable 50/50s are a rarity outside of guard crush strike/throw and ususally require complicated setups and RCs.
But then fucking Elphelt gets a rekka with TWO CONSECUTIVE unfuzziable high/lows where both options extremely similar.
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>>563859229
Unfortunately all the gamewarring people left.
There was a hysterical post made in this general. It was a post about Strivers identifying as girls in reply to a webm of a JAV where a girl spits on an old guy
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>>563899109
its has low reward tho
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>>563895557
I can't see your replay obviously, but I tried testing it out for myself and I believe I know what happened. I don't know if it's obvious from the quality of the webm because the health bar only moves a little, but when I do Zansei Rouga the CPU FDs it perfectly, not taking any chip damage, but when the CPU does it to me, I take a little.
In older GG games sometimes moves would cross up if you FD'd but they wouldn't if you did, like Order Sol's Gunblaze. FD kind of holds you in spot and makes it so you don't auto-correct what direction your facing, I believe that's the reason for it. I don't know exactly how it works in Strive, but I imagine what's happening is that while the game doesn't make you block the direction Chipp is coming from for each hit, it won't auto-correct your FD either. To correctly FD the whole thing, like the CPU does here, you would need to switch the direction your blocking for each strike Chipp does so that you're correctly holding away from him each time. If not, you won't FD the hits that are coming from the direction that your holding back towards, making you take a little chip damage. Again, I'm not exactly sure how it works in Strive, but I would infer that this is the explanation.
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>>563899636
SHE CAN EVEN FUCKING BAIT DP GOD DAMMIT
And I mean sure that does add at least some interactivity, WHAT A SHAME THAT LESS THAN HALF THE CAST EVEN HAS A DPalso this is no longer relevant but does anyone know if previous patch pot could buster through it or does the second hit come too fast?
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>>563897732
how did we go from "eventually lose your turn if you fail mixup" characters from launch to allowing this level of shit?
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