I'm honestly reworking incineroar to a new build, it seems blaze kick has +1 crit boost, so I gave roar scope lens, also snarl, and replaced parting shot with buildoze

>General died out already
Anyway. Is Mega Audino really that bad in doubles? I want to use it.

Shit game

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Will we ever get legendaries?

>>59181870
*and mythicals

>>59181870
Hopefully not for a while, and if they do, rotate them starting with the shit ones.

at first I was angry at the roster, but honestly? this is actually good idea, hope next month will have different pokemon with many forbidden in the new format

>>59181879
I'm more mad at the limited held items

>>59181876
I hope it's all of them all at once and it's a separate mode

>>59181870
You don't want to play with legends legal, restricted formats suck ass

can someone trade me incineroar on s/v? I do not want to buy DLC to get this fucker.

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What a god

I just got a Kommo-o from the GTS, how good is this thing currently? I dunno anything about how to use it, but I've seen it used on some teams and I'm thinking of trying it out.

>>59181879
I don't think people will be happy if you make many currently available mons unavailable in future regulations. I'd be fine if they removed a couple of bullshit pokemon (incineror) to mix things up, but if 30+ mons suddenly become unuseable it'll fuck over many peoples fav teams too hard.
I think they gotta just keep slowly adding mons at this point, which is fine, but It woulda been nice if shit like incineror/archaludon/sneasler weren't already fucking shit up in the pool.

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>Go on Youtube
>Yesteday's Meta team is now trash! Try this NEW team instead
Fuck me, this is my first time into Pokemon Comp. Is it always like this in the first weeks of a new format? I JUST got comfortable piloting this rain team. Holy shit I can't keep up ;_;

>>59181923
It's a cool setup mon thats allergic to fairys.
I like him as a (potentially) mixed attacker with clangerous soul +clanging scales/close combat or as a body press defense setup mon.

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Aromatisse is one of my favorite pokemon and I feel like I have to use it now cuz as soon as they add more pokemon it'll go from unviable to unusable. Most fun I've had is more or less walling out Whimsicott since it can't taunt or encore when Aromatisse is on field.

>>59181935
You are just getting baited by poketubers to click on their video with hyperbolic titles.

>>59181924
Maybe not each month like that Anon said, but they should 100% massively shake up the usable Pokemon each Regulation.

also, go with some fun regulation like only Kanto/Johto/[insert region] mons etc

>>59181914
Ill trade it to you. My switch is banned though. So just toss something in Home GTS and then tell me your IGN. We can trade that way instead if you dont mind

>>59181941
They could possibly have 2 ranked pools. One for current regulation and one for every mon available in champions already. This is a game that could handle splitting the ranked playerbase and that way people wont lose their fav teams and get to splash around in a new meta
This is reasonable and easy to do so gamefreak wont let it happen. Theyll do something even dumber and lazier

>>59181942
yeah i just dont know how to trade on pokemon home.. i open it up and theres just the pokebox and pokedex

>>59181954
Anon means the mobile version of Home.

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>>59181957
yeah its the mobile version of Home. I keep forgetting people dont know you can trade using Home

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>just discovered bulky venusaur with light screen
I keep telling myself I'm sick of using a sun team, but then I make one change and I love it again

>>59181957
>>59181959

w-why would they do that...
alright, downloading it

>>59181923
Seems really good, he has a lot of sets to run but is otherwise quite tanky so he can be a huge roadblock for a lot of teams.
Plus his design is cool, and that is all that matters really.

>>59181859
It's not bad. The problem is that it's not really worth taking your mega slot

>>59181959
ok got it set up -- woudl this be a room trade or GTS?

>>59181994
gts is easier, else you wanna add me as friend?
Room trades is for goveaways, and only if the person doing the giveaway paid for home, which i didnt

>>59181994
nvm saw your post -- put up a tangela looking for incineroar, ign is manny

>>59181994
>>59181997
enjoy your incineroar

>Got the idea of using parting shot on my own Milotic
>Don't have a team for it rn
>Check Pokemon that learn parting shot
FUCK. It really comes down to that shitty, doesn't it?

>>59181999
thanks man! appreciate you

>>59182002
It won't work anyway

>>59182002
That doesn’t work, the stat drop has to come from an enemy. Otherwise people would use parting shot into Kinggambit to get +3 turn 1 haha

What’s a good rain team?

>>59182016
https://pikalytics.com/pokedex/championstournaments/pelipper
Here are several

>>59182002
This is why facing Corviknight is your best friend with Milotic. The enemy Corviknight is kind enough to give you speed drops with your own icy wind, giving you competitive boosts.

I’m losing faith in Incineroar it feels like the game is too fast

>>59182029
incineroar keeps up with restricted pokemon. however, it doesn't have the same punch when it doesn't have the second half of the blowjob brothers, being rillaboom.

>>59182016
Obviously Peli to set the rain, you can run him as tailwind support or some insane scarf build to nuke under it. Arch is a good Special attack and has great bulk. Those two are probably your core that you run in every team imo.
For megas you can either go all-in on the rain with mega Blastoise or run something for coverage like Meganium/Gard. H-Arcanine for E-Speed/Rock coverage is good as your Intimidate setter, or you could go Gary with a supportive/bulk set-up or a physical attacker or just run Incelroar like everyone else because he's that good. Everyone is running Basculegion as a physical sweeper right now for insane Wave Crashes so that's an option, but I feel like people are going to be expecting that and will plan accordingly.
I feel like Rain has the most options for building under, so I'm sure you can find something else that works for you.

>>59181923
I use him as singles stealth rock dragon tail lead

>encountered espathra for the first time
This thing looks like it's going to be really annoying to deal with

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>>59182018
>>59182036
>Toilet bird
Not that Anon, but is that the only rain option?
What about the Toed?

>>59182080
I saw some teams using it because they wanted a Perish Shong option, if that's not in your plans it's probably not a defensible choice, sadly.

>>59181921
Is that DerBeste?
I think he was 2nd in the warm up challenge.

>>59182080
Peliper has better typing and moveset, even if the big toad has a bit better stats. Can't go wrong with tailwind and hurricane while being able to swap into fighting moves.

>>59181921
Massively ugly trainer.

>rotom wash (HP/Def Leftovers)
>kingambit (HP/Atk Sunglasses)
>M-Gengar (SpAtk/Spe)
>garchomp (Atk/Spe Lum Berry)
>basculegion (Atk/Spe Spec)
Can anyone suggest a 6th to fit into this team? I'm thinking of a Fairy type

>>59182121
Smh for Singles

>>59182080
I think Peli has better coverage on its moves but you could probably run Politoed. The biggest thing is Peli gets access to Tailwind, so you often need to run another Tailwind setter which can limit your team options.

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>>59182121
>I'm thinking of a Fairy type
You know damn well which mon this team needs Anon...

>>59182121
Repulsive. Where's Incinememe? Where's rain bird of healthy meta?

>>59182121
Why are you listing 2 stats?
You have 66 evs, spread them around like a white man.

>>59182121
Clefable? Depends on what you are wanting to do with your last slot; I would assume someone to set-up/support so I would go either Clef or Whim if you want a Tailwind setter.

>>59182130
Don't own Z-A, unfortunately

>>59182131
Tom sucks in singles

>>59182132
Just to simplify things

>>59182148
I suppose I can try those out. Thanks

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Mega Dragonite should have been pure Flying type. And kept Inner Focus.

>>59181885
Nta but I've minded it less and less over the last week. If anything the only thing I'm missing in particular is the pinch berries and toxic orb for this
>>59181923
I got this team off twitter and have had fun with it in ultra ball
https://pokepast.es/410642dd8a01a43d
I think Kommo is underrated in current meta, it fills a strong niche as a special attacking fighting type
>>59182029
I think it feels worse than it actually is. The combination of mental herb sneasler being the most popular set, rain being prevalent and no grassy terrain to smooth out the eq matchup feels bad but it's still probably the best balance intimidater with gyarados as a close second imo

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>Use Sand Veil Bright Powder Chomp as a meme
>It actually works out
>Rock Slide after Rock Slide completely misses my Chomp
I almost feel sorry for them.
>Their face when Rock Slide misses 3x in a row

>>59182180
>The combination of mental herb sneasler being the most popular set,
you mean white herb

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>>59182029
The meme is still hilarious

>>59182188
I did, ty anon

>>59182183
I double-crit a Rock Slide with my Scarf'd Chomp turn 1, killing 1 and flinching the other.
Guy immediately forfeited.

Has anyone seen a Mega Excadrill yet? What a flop that was

>>59182166
You can use home to get the flower, mimikyu is also a good

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Is Umbreon any good? I'm mostly going to use it in singles to spam Yawn and Wish.

>>59181870
that’s a mythical you moronic mutt

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Using Upper Hand on Incinretards and Sneadlets is funny. Especially when they don't know that Firagiraf has Armor Tail.

>>59182217
Yes, it's currently #20 most used in singles

>>59181924
>NOOOO! How will my snow team work now that vaniluxe is gone?! I’m gonna be forced to use an actually good ice type now instead

>>59182180
Would Lucario fit the niche of SpAtk Fighting type? I've had a few scenarios where I was happy I had him on the team.

Can they put mawile in yet so I can transfer mine with the legit gen 5 dream ball.

>>59182192
I love it. I put my SM champ incineroar on my sunny day team, and I barely use it. It males my opponents put Sneasler out first 100% of the time, and my fire tauros zen headbutts the living shit out of them.

>>59182217
it doesn't accomplish anything. i faced against umbreons in singles and all they do is just waste their own time

>>59182228
I corrected myself you fucking asshole

>>59182202
It's not quite the same when you can't spam drill rush and kill 3 fuckers with the same move in a FFA.

>>59182202
I've seen 2 or 3. My mega aggron just walled them and 1 shot with body press

I'm still mad at how many mons they cut but leave in fucking garbage like Incineroar, Sneasler and the Bridge Dragon

GET ME OUT OF GREAT BALL 1 PLEASE

>>59182290
>Have the perfect opportunity to give a shitload of utility mons that incineror makes obsolete a chance to shine
>Nah fuck it here's incineror
Fucking gamefreak

>>59182244
Personally I could see infernape and Lucario both filling the niche on more offensively oriented teams, pretty sure both get nasty plot + vacuum wave and infernape also offers a spread option in hate wave

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>>59182192

>>59182294
Achieve skill

>>59182290
I genuinely think that they left in a lot of staples from S/V just to "ease the newcomers in" to a Mega environment, not realizing that these fucking cryptids are stronger than like 85% of the shitmon megas out there.

>>59182294
What are you playing?

>>59182304
Love this annoying fucking giraffe

>>59182315
Lucario
Garchomp
Meowscarada
Greninja
Hippowdon
Gengar

>>59182334
That doesn't really answer the question.

>>59182338
I guess I'm at the point where I need an actual wincon is that what you're saying? I've just been battling by feel this entire time

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>Wolfe hit Rank 1 on Ladder with Mega Scovillain
ENTER

>others brag about placing no 1 with meta teams
>Wolfe does it with fucking Scovillain
Oh no no no... Maybe he really is the goat...

I HATE SNEASLER I HATE SNEASLER I HATE SNEASLER
WHO THE FUCK INVENTED DIRE CLAW
IMAGINE BEING A FUCKING PROGRAMMER AT GAME FREAK AND THINKING "Yeshu, dhisu ruksoo abauto raito" AND THEN IT GOES FURTHER ON TO SOME FUCKING TESTER WHO'S LIKE "Rooksu goodu to meu"
AND THEN THEY SEE THAT IT WAS FUCKING RETARDED AND ARE LIKE
"Justo chengi a fewu varuzu, 30%, berri baransu!"
NO
NO YOU FUCKING IDIOTS

>>59182343
You probably don't have the skills to build your own team for now, borrow a team that seems interesting to you and preferably one that's relatively straight-forward.
>but I want to build my own team
That would be taking things backward, learn the fundamentals first.

>>59181836
mega dragonite is awful..

Which pokemon should I try to get off Home GTS for when the roster in this game expands?

>>59182192
Im starting to like Sneasler and I dont know how to feel about this.

>>59182356
Not to downplay Wolfe's skill or the achievement of reaching rank 1 so quick but mega scovillain is hardly weak, it's quite meritorious in fact

>>59182348
how? no seriously how, ive been trying to make this guy work and nothing on his moveset clicks for me

>opponent leads with t-tar
>later sends out m-dragonite
??? But why?

>>59182400
He posted the moveset (Protect, Overheat, Leech Seed, Rage Powder) but not the EV spread so I guess we'll have to wait for whatever video he recorded the ladder footage for

>>59182400
It's obviously a high skill ceiling Pokemon. Guaranteeing a burn on anything that touches it is incredibly strong in theory, and just needed time to figure out how to build around and play it optimally.

Anyway his set is Overheat/Leech Seed/Rage Powder/Protect.

>>59182202
I used it to get to Master Ball on day two because I needed a substitute for Mega Metagross on the rain team I had prepared ahead of time. It's "okay." I dropped the team later because it wasn't keeping up with the meta.

>>59182414
>>59182417
What's his team looking like? Is he using generic pics like Sneasler, Incineroar etc or actually building his whole team around supporting Mega Scovillain?

>hydro miss
>hydro miss
Sigh, it's one of those days

Any Gatrfags manage to get that thing to work?

>>59182426
With Floette falling out of favor lately maybe it'll find a niche but it still hates matching up into Scarfchomp and that thing's everywhere on high ladder.

>>59182391
well he's the first to do it and maybe he'll popularize scovillain. or maybe sco will fall back into irrelevancy soon and it will only have been wolfman who made it work.

>lost to shellsmash poultergeist
I know it's supposed to be a Baton lead but holy shit I got fucking clapped by a fucking teapot

>>59181885
Cutting offensive items like the Choice items, LO, and offensive pinch berries is fine for a format they want to be "low power." The problem is they cut key defensive items like the Covert Cloak, Clear Amulet, Assault Vest, and Safety Goggles, so some strategies just have little to no counterplay right now. Like, you're not going to bring your grass type into the sun matchup to block Venusaur's sleep powder and without goggles on a fire mon, there's nothing you can do about it other than like Overcoat Kommo-O?

so many hyped up megas end up falling to the sideway for the usual comfort picks... it's over...

I thought wide guard was just a straight upgrade from protect. I should've read it more carefully.

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>>59182424
All we got was this pic. He said the vid's probably coming next Saturday though

>>59181946
Gens 6 and 7 had that. There were three queues; singles, doubles, and special. The special rules changed every season with various bans and restrictions. One season it was inverse battles.

>>59182475
YGO Master Duel also does that (ranked, casual, special + sometimes tournament format for worlds qualifiers). Every competitive game should have 3 formats. For Champions it'd be singles, doubles, special format that rotates.

>>59182428
I’m dying internally. Gamefreak, fuck you. It’s so utterly simple to make things good and they still somehow fuck it up.

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Do (You) have any titles on any of your Pokemon? I'm replaying Colosseum to get a few with both exclusive titles.

>>59182542
What ones are Colosseum exclusive?

>>59182542
I haven't traded any of my gen 3 up to gen 9. I think at best I have some gen 4 in gen 5.

>>59182542
I'm playing with Liko's Meowscarada they distributed in SV.

>>59182391
Yeah, it’s also one of the few redirection users isn’t it?

>>59182552
The Triumphant and The 100x Victorious

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>>59182542
>tfw your Premium Ball Gardevoir is a m*le

>>59182542
I have some marked shinies from scarlet and Scizor from gen 6 with the champion ribbons and veteran title from the Maison. I have a shiny shadow Ursraring, shiny Quilava and shiny Dewott I just need to get the Tree Master ribbon on before I send them to Home for the switch ribbons too

>>59182542
I have a Greninja I got from the ranch with "the Sociable". It's perfect because I named him Quiet

>skipped SV
>finally see Tinkaton's stats
this lil guy ain't meant to attack is it?

>>59182626
Nope

>>59182542
Bunches

>>59182564
Neat. Now I have a good reason to replace the tutorial Tyranitar with my Colosseum one.

>>59182631
Tyranitar, Sneasler, and Dragonite are the main ones I want. I think I deleted my Colosseum save and I didn't transfer the Tyranitar out, so I have to replay the game for one pokemon.

>>59182626
The gimmick is that it's weak but uses its hammer for an insanely strong signature move

>>59182636
That's a horrible gimmick. GF buff my future wife.

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What's the better choice for Mega Evo on a Sandstorm team, Tyranitar up front or Garchomp in the back? I usually lead T-tar and Corviknight or Excadrill. Actually I've also found Midnight Lycanroc to be pretty good with a Choice Scarf and No Guard Stone Edges. Same with Kleavor if I can pull off a tailwind. I'm at Ultra 2 btw

>>59182650
TTar so you can reapply the weather on demand if it gets contested.

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>not a single Storm Drain user in the game
Someone wanted Basc to be broken huh

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>>59182016
I made it to Masterball 3 with a rain team. My "core four" are
1.Pelipper w/ focus sash. tailwind, wide guard, hurrican, weatherball
2.Archaludon (stamina) w/ leftovers. electro shot, flash cannon, dragon pulse, protect
3.Basculegion male (adaptability) w/ mystic water. wave crash, aqua jet, lest respects, protect
4.Mega Dragonite (multiscale) w/ dragoniteite. hurricane, thunder, dragon pulse, extreme speed

I run Milotic (competitive) w/ sitrus berry. scald, ice beam, protect, dealers choice (i run life dew, and basicall never click it). Milotic replaces arch if i see sneazler and basc if i see incin (also arch if i see both)
I've tried choice scarf politoed running weatherball, ice beam, earth power, psychic and found it underwhelming. like it 2 hits opposing arch's w/ earth power in the mirror but in every other situation pelipper is just better (hurricane 1 shots sinestra and whimsicott, also sneazler)

>>59182676
wow a rain team? with archaludon AND basc?? you're such a big brian gigachad anon, how do you come up with such incredible strats???

>>59182202
Regular Excadrill is better

>>59182688
you don't get it anon, his archaludon has stamina instead of stalwart. it's very big brain.

>>59182688
AND Milotic? The metaGOD is here... Top it off with a Sneasler or Incin for ogod measure.

>heh, yeah I could be a top player if I just played a strong team I just don’t want to :)

>>59182688
>>59182707
>>59182713
lmao

>>59182713
....this meta is so fucking cooked

>kill trick room setter
>they just give up

>>59182724
Yes? That's how it works. You don't get to the top using only favorites like Victreebel, Meganium, Mega Manectrik and Pikachu. You have to have a team that makes sense.

Is home trading back yet?

>>59182737
if they're not in a trick room they may as well be in a dick room

>>59182450
Its situational for sure, but wide guard can be better than protect if both opponents go for spread moves cuz it protects both mons and the partner still gets to attack. I do find that trick only works once per battle tho

>>59182676
I'm running a similar team but with Mega Gengar instead of Dragonite. I almost feel dirty for using it since I'm just copying what I hear is meta, but I heard rain teams are a good way to learn how to play competitive pokemon.

>guy posts a meta team
>people start seething
This is why you're hardstuck pokeball

Kinda funny to see some big smogon youtubers walk back shit talking all the new megas after playing official formats.

stop talking about yourself in 3rd person

is castform the most outright shitmon they let into the roster?

>>59182771
>theorycrafting doesn't work in practice
how many years will it take for them to learn?

>>59182764
and how would you feel if you hadn't eaten breakfast this morning?

>>59182785
Uh castform is good though. You're just not a good player.

>>59182785
Galarian Stunfisk, Mega Audino

>>59182785
Probably only on the premise that Arbok and Luxray get intimidate and even Watchog has super fang. Audino is probably the biggest shitmon with a form or mega attached to it

just pulled my second shiny since launch, how common are these fucking things?

>>59182819
1/4096 as far as I know. Lucky you.

>>59182828
The odds feel much better than that for Champions.

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>>59182542
Shiny Male Lopunny from Gen 4 with some Contest Ribbons and Sinnoh Champ Ribbon. I don't really use those much tho. He's called Bon-Chan The Great Friend

>>59182626
Hammer is powerful enough as a signature move but not spammable. It’s still a good pokemon

Redpill me on Farigiraf. What's the best spread to run on him to keep my Mega Garde healthy.

>>59182348
>>59182356
I like him in singles but the omnipresence of Charizard is a problem

>>59182861
He exists to click trick room and not much more right now. All the incineroars running throat chop doesn't help when that's how 99% of them hit a dark type.

>>59182435
It’s easy to forget that thing hits harder than Gengar

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I hate this stupid ugly fish

>>59182871
He also Twin-Beams Sneasler.

>>59182861
Good typing, immune to priority, has a signature move that can break through sash, etc. generally you're gonna run full bulk sets but there is value in dropped defense investment for special attack to grab surprise KOs. Basically dual stab trick room and a support move is gonna be your go to sets, I prefer helping hand but ig protect or another support move could work. For item, imo your best is mental herb to beat encore and taunt but I could see colbur Berry also being high value

>full speed, no defense Sturdy Archaludon
Ah, nice try.

>>59182785
The Unova Monkeys

>>59182919
They have Fake Out, don't they?

Shitterball ranks has so many sandstorm teams lmao

>>59182924
Incineroar has fake out.

>>59182936
Still makes them less of a shitmon than Castform

>>59182919
the monke and their pledge moves will be meta again when they bring back triple battles

>>59182174
I just hold off on mega evolving it when staring down sneasler and hurricane it after swapping in pelipper
I've done this like 12 times now
they fake out the dragonite (who has inner focus, so he doesn't get flinched) and then just die for their transgressions

>>59182644
It's quite nice in singles as a support mon at least

>>59182542
I've got a thunderstruck shiny archaludon, a sodden pelipper, a cloud-watching shiny master sinistcha, and the most cursed, but kind of fitting; an easily flustered incineroar

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So is this what I should expect once they start adding more mons to the game? Any of these have nice shinies?

>>59182889
sucker punch it

>>59182975
The whole Porygon line has great shinies.

>>59182975
flutter is like the easiest shiny to get in the game, about the same as normal if not a little worse. get yourself a nice title on it.
chi-yu is locked with an event only one but looks amazing.
gold isn't even different
ursaluna is red, I think it looks good
locked
blue dragon head
locked
about the same but i like it

locked
locked
locked
a bit oranger
awesome shiny in mega, ugly in base
event locked, looks bad
cool, annoying to get on switch 1 with frame drops
event locked, couldn't tell you
pretty cool
original zapdos colors, looks great imo but event/pokemon go random encounter locked
solid, it's blue
i like it a lot, swaps the back and front colors

great ball shroom
looks swag
ugly
locked
all silver except the yellow, kinda average
i couldn't tell you which is which
not enough difference
locked
bland green
barely a difference
yellow, nothing special

swag
this alabaman wants to be free, get her in a cute ball
10/10 best shiny from the new mons
just more silver, boring but ok
really like the darker colors and blue
darker horns, about the same but cute none the less
looks great
you can't tell
better colors but not a huge difference

koraidon is the best event shiny

>>59182202
Anyone with a brain knew it would be a flop once the ability was revealed
Doubling Speed+an Item is significantly better value than a nominal boost to damage and defense+sometimes hitting through protect

Urshifu was broken because the moves it would use to bypass protect 99% of the time were super strong and always crit AND he could use an item with them and had no opportunity cost. It's all that combined that made it broken, Drill only gets the benefit of hitting through protect which ends up not being worth it.

Test

So many rain teams, what's the counterplay?

>>59183008
Carry Tork or Tar in da back

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>>59182975
I can't wait until my wife gets in the game

>>59182975
Reg F would be way different if tera wasn't available, like yeah these are really powerful and would still probably be the lost used, but the uncertainty of tera really made them what they were.

>>59182453
>>59182424
I battled a team in casual that led with MScovillain and Dragapult. You can't fake out either one, MScovillain rage powders and you're just screwed if you brought physical attackers

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>>59183008
wait for ol reliable

>>59183008
Bring your own Thunder and Hurricane

>>59183035
sadly meganium weatherball

>>59182785
Maybe Ariados?

>>59182924
Fake Out and insane mixed movesets. You can put Superpower, Gunk Shot, Acrobatics, and Leaf Storm on the same pokemon. Imagine.

stalling fatnigger snorlax player kill yourself. just a waste of 5 mins

I'm trying to do a gimmicky hazards team with some bulky pokemon. since we're missing ferrothorn who's the best spike setter right now? toxic spikes seem pointless there's so many poison types

Does any one have a funny picture of belibolt?

what's the best Mega Scovillain counter right now? He's going to be everywhere on the ladder soon. Do I have to succumb and use Zard Y+Talonflame or some shit??

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>>59183060
Best I have

>>59182785
Castform maybe slightly better than Watchog? Castform in Rain with Weather Ball/Thunder/Hurricane surely has more value than Watchog. Surely.

>>59183043
Ariados has Sticky Web, Toxic Thread (exclusive and buffed) and Shadow Sneak/Sucker Punch. It has merit as a sashed lead. It's leagues above Castform/Watchog/Unova Monkeys.

>>59183066
Special attacker with Poison, Gengar, Glimmora.

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heh, ran into my first time limit draw. Didn't know the rest of the turn still plays out after the timer drops to zero. They should really take into account how many Pokémon each player has at the end, because I ended up KO'ing two of his mons, leaving the score 3 to 1.

>>59183066
M Gengar because he doesn't actually lose speed races to random shit. M.Glimmora 101 speed is actually a huge detriment.

>>59183075
true I guess I can just tank the burn

>>59183080
I kind of like it because you used to get a lot of really gay stall teams in SV that never actually did anything besides click recover and get up rocks

>>59183081
I transferred my Gengar out a few days ago so I didn't even think about it when I was looking through my box

>>59183080
Beast wars chad

>>59182785
That's Watchog. Castform is a shitmon but it's a shitmon with a wholly unique gimmick.

Watchog only has Hypnosis and Super Fang access going for it, but being frail AND slow AND having no offense and useless abilities (two of which that have been modified to do the exact same thing) do nothing for it

>>59183008
Blastoise/Vanilluxe "Snow" team.
It's more an Anit-Meta team though. You mainly spam Water Spout with Blastoise-M and Blizzard with Vanilluxe. Snow is also nice to shut down enemy weather.

>>59183037
>Berry
>Gyro ball

>>59183008
Trick Room?

I hit ultra shitter 2 netdecking. I was hardstuck greatball 2-3 before with my homebrew. I can't cook.

parting shot on magic bounce haterene to stop trick room is funny every single time

I got a shiny altaria whats the cope set? Am I just running bad sylveon minus a mega slot? I'm tempted to shove it into trick room

How many of you competed in a tourney and what is the highest you placed?

What do you guys think of the presentation in Champions?

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>yea I'm countering the meta I'm tired of it
>the 'anti-meta' team itself:

>>59183119
what were you running before and what changes did you make?

>>59183135
Altaria?

I'm new to Pokemon Doubles. What are some Mons to support my Sand Team?
Currently got
>T-tar Mega
>Support Whisicott for SDef coverage
>Offensive Garchomp because >sand
>Support Incineroar because >Incineroar
The other spots are just shit tier spots I can't decide on. Any tips on good options? Getting bad pulls from the Lineup

>>59183135
that ninetales better be moonblast dazzling gleam imprison or else youre a pussy

>>59183142
excadrill

Allright guys, Game Freak has tasked (You) to come up with some fun regulations/formats for VGC. In this example, all mons are available.
My own example Regulations;
>Regulation Kanto
>Regulation Johto
>Regulation Hoenn
etc
What about (You)?

>>59183137
Used to run Mega Feraligatr with 2 obvious picks, Incin and Whimsicott. He's not slow enough for trickroom so tailwind it is. Then played Pelipper Basculgeion Archaludon. Turns out if you just go full rain team and dump the Feraligatr for a Dragonite it works a lot better and easier. Trying to force Feraligatr did nothing. All my wins were off of bridgeman and fish hard carrying.

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So how does champion rank work I just got to master ball

>>59183156
top 300 players world wide by elo

>>59183137
>>59183153
Also I removed Whimsicott because I was like Pelipper just does it better for my team. I had it for when I didn't go rain but... with this comp why not go rain all the time.

>>59183147
baby cup. only first stages of 3-stage lines

>>59183161
Fuck yeah, Little Cup was always my jam on the Stadiun games.

>>59183142
I like sinistcha for redirect/heal + fighting immune switch in for t-tar. Trick room too.
If you want to be more unortodox (unlikely based on your other picks), I've been getting surprisingly good results with runerigus with a ttar that has trick room/willowisp/ally switch/curse.
I still haven't tested in game its kinda niche, but if you smack runerigus with a weak contact move on ttar they swap abilities and reset the sand, ally swapping into fighting moves is hilarious too

feels like every doubles team is just 3 or 4 staples and then your glorpo shitto mon you wanna try and make work

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I've climbed to ultra with passimian/whimsicott lead to have access to prankster coaching, but I can't get the main sweeper and 4th slots consistent enough to secure wins.
cott is running max Spe and SpA with encore/protect/memento/psychic and sim is running max Spe and Atk with coaching/protect/upper hand/close combat

I've been getting prankster over more often than not and securing surprise kills on sneasler, incin, arch, and kingambit leads by changing up my opening, and sacking cott to charizards in the sun tends to work out too.
Problem is, I've tried various combinations of stuff like mega golurk, palafin, and dragapult to receive coaching with supporting sets like rage powder volcarona for redirecting, aurora veil ninetales for bulk, oranguru even for instruct shenanigans, but this half of the game keeps falling apart either due to thudding into the perfect counter, or the support mon not being able to keep up.

It's been fun working out the kinks, but I'm reaching the limits of my brainpower, could anything make coaching more workable or should I finally scrap it?

>>59183158
Oh damn imma be chilling in masterball then

>>59183170
You take that back about my mega ampharos

>>59183170
And it wo- it don't work aaaaaaaaa

What is the tier list of the best compositions are move spread?

>>59183071
It’s something, thank you.

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add paradoxes

>>59183170
nah, my team is SIX staples

is sinistcha AND giraffe in the same trick room comp overkill? I think they're both neat

>>59183245
You should have more than one setter anyway.

>>59183245
cup is nice as a second setting since switching it in will heal whoever was doing work originally while it sets up again

Traded an extra Floette for a shiny Roaring Moon and now I want this thing in champions so I can actually use it....

>>59183279
Will be a long time from now.

>>59183250
What’s a good trick room comp?

>>59183279
Very nice, did you have to do that grind twice to get the extra Floette?

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Prankster rain dance into charizard y is funny

>>59183286
no I just traded a shitmon shiny on Home for the Floette and traded that for the Roaring Moon
Best use of a Garbodor ever

>>59183286
I hope nobody is grinding for floette when you can get it with a twitch tradebot in about 30 seconds. It even has a set ID so impossible to tell if they are genned.

>>59182400
We can only hazard some guesses, but it does look like a stallmon or stall set. Lots of switching, incin and another fake out or intimidate mon, light screen against special attackers, maybe rotom wash?

Genuinely what the fuck do you do with Audino

>>59183303
championonlybros... I can't trade...

Why aren't No Guard Machamp and Lycanroc used more often?

>>59183332
champs only is a meme at least you should use home too, you can trade for mons on that

>>59183339
erm phone home? how do I get mons on that I haven't owned a pokemon game since x/y

>>59183336
It's not as strong of an ability as it first seems when everyone else can also hit you 100% of the time.

>>59183341
pokemon go

>>59183346
...this works? wtf?

>>59183336
desu, machamp should theoretically be a bomb ass trick room sweeper. It packs a punch but it might just be too frail to hang, Fighting is kind of bad with all the fairies and ghosts around.

>>59183348
candies are annoying but on the plus side you'll probably have a Melmetal ready too

>>59183348
Yup, you can also wondertrade rando ones and hope to get something good to use or see if you can trade it for something specific

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>Opponent's Froslass and my Ttar mega evolve
>Snow gets overwritten by sand
>Aurora Veil fails

Is there a decent team aggregator for VGC besides pikalytics?

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Rate my sun team

>>59183410
Sleep Powder is so gay

>>59183410
Bretty solid

>>59183348
Yeah, I’ve been trading starters for stuff I need. It’s actually kino

>>59183410
john cena potato salad ass team. you probably want some speed control though

>>59183424
I’m probably gonna just use my phone for Pokemon and not get a switch 2 kek

>>59183410
Is Supreme Overlord or Defiant more recommended for Kingambit?

Champions does not have a size checker built in, correct? For example, if I have an XXL Steelix from Go, move it to Home, then put it in Champions, it would not get ‘the Great’ title as only SV has a size checker to give that ribbon, right?

>>59183436
Sizes are a thing but I dunno about that

>>59183434
Supreme Overlord is probably not as great in 3v3 but even with one 'mon down he's pretty nasty

>>59183434
always defiant.

>>59183441
Yeah, I know that. I was hoping to see if any of my stuff that can't go to SV was hiding a mark from me.

>>59183434
Defiant is probably better

defiant gives you +1 attack stage (+50%) when it triggers and can trigger multiple times, while supreme overlord gives you +10% per dead teamate when gambit comes in so realistically you're not getting more than 10-20% and only when you keep him in the back

>>59183436
Correct, you need to show it to the size checker in SV to give it the Jumbo Mark that grants that title

>>59183139
cloud nine

>>59183453
*I should add as an addendum, the +1 is only when it triggers on intimidate which is the most common use case. Any other stat drop puts it way above supreme overlord

>>59183453
Defiant is +2, it's just that the more common way to trigger it is intimidate so you end up at +1.

>>59183460
Unfortunate, then I will keep my piles of unmarked stuff until gen 10 at least. Thanks

>>59183434
Defiant means you love getting intimidated.

>>59182954
I mention a different ability just because as a pure Flying it wouldn't have a 4x weaknesses, and without that Multiscale just doesn't provide as much 'value for money'. So I thought the most natural fit then would just to be to stick with its other base form ability.

But if you wanted to be creative/exotic, I thought Guts or Marvel Scale would be interesting while not being out-of-sync thematically with its design. Guts would obviously boost its Att to surpass even its 145 SpAtt. Imagine the offensive possibilities.
Alternatively, Marvel Scale could turn it into a very durable tank with dangerous Body Press potential.

I hit 1900 elo am I good yet

>>59183521
idk

>>59182542
Most of my Pokemon have the great friend title aka the title you get for having max affection on your Pokemon.

Fuck forfeiting and fuck your cringe strats

>>59183551
I don't wanna waste our time. If I have no way out it's a surrender

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>use Maushold's Feint into Talonflame to break Gale Wings before it can Tailwind
>Aerodactyl outspeeds and knocks it out with Rock Slide
Is what I should have done. But I'm an idiot and locked in my team before I remembered this strat was one of the reasons I started running Feint to begin with.

>>59183556
Yeah this pretty much
When you're not fucking doing anything but just sitting there dying, just leave and find a new game
I'm here to play, not get jerked around

if you are cringe I am going to waste your time

> dire claw hits
> inflicts sleep
> gg

Getting tired of this, what counters that fucking thing

>>59183630
Aero outspeeds and kills through sash with dual wingbeat

>>59183630
My dire claw has procced 1 status effect out of the 20 or so times I've used it today. And it was poison. Fake 30%!!!

>>59183637
There are certainly sneasler sets that are built to survive that annoyingly enough. Not to mention it can miss.

>>59183630
https://www.serebii.net/abilitydex/insomnia.shtml

So has Tailwind Whimsicott fallen off?

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If something that's already had its type changed with Protean Mega Evolves, it gets its original types back, right?
I ask because my opponent's Gardevoir Traced my Meowscarada's Protean, then hit my Charizard with STAB Thunderbolt

>>59182374
...in opposite world.

>>59183245
The only problem is sharing ghost dark weakness

>First time using sun team
>Opponent takes forever to lock in team and during each turn
They know

>>59183695
too fragile without tera fire

>>59183695
Sneedler is just too common.

Also, Whimsicot using tailwind is too telegraphed and the opponent can work around it

>>59183722
I wonned

Weird, my daily missions didn't refresh. Or am I going crazy?

>>59183119
Same here. I tried rain but eventually got to master ball with Delphox, Sinischa, Garchomp, Sneasler, Incineroar and Kommo-o for the rare situation he isn’t countered

All things considered, I understand why they didn’t put in too much items that boost damage, since having too much OHKO turns would scare away new players

>>59183775
Past midnight? I haven't checked but they probably reset at like 5am or so, that's how most games with dailies count days.

I learned that you can spam wide guard

>>59183775
Same thing happened to me

>>59183791
It's saying the next refresh is in 23 hours which should indicate the last reset was an hour ago but they're all already checked out.

>>59183699
Any type changes pre mega are undone post Mega. Saved my Meganium from eating an SE Parabolic charge from Bellibolt recently.

>>59183739
>>59183742
Hmm. Maybe Aero, then?

Are bots still around to help with going up rank? I've spent too much time building teams for singles and doubles that I barely play the game.

>>59183841
Yes in pokeball or great ball, i think
Maybe this game is not for you. You shower in VP in this game, and resources to plan out teams in this game is plentiful. How does it take more than 5 minutes after getting your mon to make it battle ready?