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So I played REmake (Gamecube version) on Dolphin emulator and I realized that the tank controls in this game are much worse than the 1996 one or any PS1 RE games. Who thought that making character rotate 90° with 0.5s delay instead of rotating freely like original RE was a good idea?
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Bruh can you just post your super specific issue in the general thread? 30% of this board is RE threads.
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>>12511904
ai post or bait. If you want some real dogshit movement try dino crisis
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>>12511925
t. triggered remake defense sperg deflecting
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reminder
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>>12511904
There's a quick turn. Use it.
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>>12511940
Came to post this. Kinda missing the old janny these days desu.
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hey there OP
i didn't read your post but i'm sure it's super interesting and well thought out, truly deserving of discussion among those who are experts in the RE franchise like the fine folks over at /vr/'s own brand new RE general, here's the thread link for your convenience >>12503954
have a nice day and keep on slaying those zombies!! bye bye :)
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Quaking in my boots
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>>12511940
give it a rest. you posted it enough times across threads and samefagged with faux concern enough times.
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>>12511940
it's funny because you're such a fucking schizo that you think this is significant in some way, and not just evidence of your brain damage to any normal anon
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>>12511940
anti-remake schizos have been real defensive since this dropped...
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>>12512157
youare literally samefsghing relentlessly and you have the same stupid replies every time. it’s a lame strawman because the remake threads just talk abut what the flaws of the game are, and it’s actually you who is having a meltdown that your favorite game is under scrutiny. refute op or stfu. you call everyone with an opinion opposite of yours schizo, and are trying to convince the board there is no legitimate critique of the game, we’re all just schizos who are miffed by remake replacing og, which is also strawnan bullshit because the og has never enjoyed such a time of high regard and respect in modern times. people can enjoy both. and people should be allowed to talk about remake’s issues without being called schizo. anyway, carry on samefagging that stupid screenshot. you probably wtote the post yourself. nobody in threads crirical of remake talk like that, they argue facts while you samefag your retarded screenshot 30 times
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>>12511904
Response lag and too many animation frames make REmake character control quite a fair bit slower than the 1996 original. This was apparently a deliverate choice made, presumably for realism. It does tend to make the game more sluggish. Play them one after the other and the difference is notable. It hurts the experience but if you’re an RE diehard you’ll put up with it. It’s one of the least fun RE games to play for this reason, however.
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>>12512169
*deliberate
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>>12511904
I love this game and the controls are fine.
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>>12511940
This mindbroke the Discord server.
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>actually start to convince people REmake isn't "the perfect survival horror game" and that the original game is still great
fine
>try to push it by claiming the original is better than the REmake
that's just like your opinion, man... but fine
>push even further and suggest REmake is an objectively bad game made without any care or respect for the original
this is just a fucking lie, and now that you keep spamming THIS talking point you've lost the crowd entirely

REmake is coming back now because you couldn't control your hatred.
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MORE RESIDENT EVIL THREADS
I NEED MORE RESIDENT EVIL THREADS
/vr/? MORE LIKE /vr/RESIDENT EVIL
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>>12512228
seek help, you’re having another meltdown. time to go outside and get a little fresh air or call a friend/family member. it’s only a thread on vr.
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>>12512237
I'm not the one spamming Resident Evil threads.
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>>>/trash/
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>>12512242
lol yes you are. there’s more posts by you in any thread samefagging that everyonr is a schizo, concern posting about that retarded screenshot and pretending there’s some discord lol you got it bad, you are paranoid-delusional that there’s an army coming for remake. you sound exactly as retarded as the screenshot, which is now beyond obviously written by you. come with a counter-argument or just hide the thread, but no you are actually losing your mind that remake critique has been allowed and have continual meltdowns over it. it’s a vr thread. it can’t hurt you. if you genuinely believed it was helping remake with le crowd in your delusion, you’d join in on hating it. in reality, anons aren’t expressing that the game is le objectively bad so much as saying controls and added puzzle items pad it out and make it feel slower. that is observable to anyone who plays it. no need to have a meltdown and call people schizo and suggest a coordinated attack over expressing the game’s flaws. you may be too fragile for the internet.
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>>12512259
These are the only posts I made in this thread.
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>>12512242

More than one person is sick of the Resident Evil spamming, you know. It's been like 2 years or something I've been seeing "why did the actually scary mansion become a haunted house for kids!?!" posts about REmake.
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>>12512263
but it’s clearly one person who keeps samefagging the dumb screenshot and calling everyone schizo and suggesting a conspiracy, and currently there isn’t a single post in re threads talking about the haunted mansion. the complaint is the stiffer controls, slower movement due to frames, double puzzle items to pick up that adds tedium. you are strawmanning because you don’t want to acknowledge the genuine critiques, trying to dismiss criticism you don’t want to hear.
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>>12512267
Well, saying REmake has stiffer controls than RE1 is simply wrong. You couldn't quickturn or auto-target enemies, which made it a much clunkier game to control.

You don't have to like REmake, but you have to stop trying to label REmake as a bad game.
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>>12512267
nobody cares about the critiques, because they're minor issues
people will naturally prefer one over the other, so it's best to just let them experience each game for themselves
the problem is these /vr/ "debates" invariably end up as no longer being an objective discourse about the pros and cons of a game, but nothing more than autists proselytizing to each other the one and true opinion you're allowed to have
it's tiresome, and drives people away, which we don't need
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>>12512280
>Well, saying REmake has stiffer controls than RE1 is simply wrong
the response is stiffer, though. there are added frames to every animation making it slower to take a step, slower to raise the gun. stiffer control is unrelated to clunk in regards to quick-turn. you move faster and draw the weapon faster in ‘96 re. remake also applies a time tax by making characters move slower while equipped with a weapon. this is indisputable and observable in play. you are the one lying.
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>>12512282
>we
no such thing, you’re on your own here.

if it really was objective discourse you were after, you wouldn’t need to lie about the game to protect it. you’re not in control of anyone’s opinion and it bothers you.
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>>12512282
>nothing more than autists proselytizing to each other the one and true opinion you're allowed to have
First time on 4chan, or the internet in general, or are you new to Earth?
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>>12512298
Everything you've said takes longer *maybe* lasts longer by a frame or two. You go from standing still to walking/running almost instantly, and you raise your weapon taking about a second to do so just like the original game.
Instead of slowly turning around you turn quicker except when aiming which makes it more precise, and if you are already moving forward then you can turn slowly and precisely just like the original.

I think at this point even (You) realize how hard you are trying to hate this game...
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>>12512314
at one time, 4chan was roughly on par with places like LUElinks or the SA forums, just even more retarded
I've been coming here off and on for years, and only just recently this board
the qualitive decline in general userbase's posts is really jarring to me, to the point where it really doesn't seem anything like what I remember
so while autists and trolls aren't unexpected, it just seems particularly bad on /vr/ where spam topics linger for days, and moderation is lax
I'm probably just getting too old for this shit
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>>12512324
I should also mention that all of these "issues" have no effect on gameplay whatsoever.

What does have an effect is that the REmake stops Hunters from turning invincible when they jump, which leads to less cheap decapitations.
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>>12512324
you move slower. and now you have to pick up twice the items required for puzzles than the original game. you don’t get any added slots, so there is a lot more backtracking to the save room. you can say you don’t mind it yourself, but the game being slower is a valid criticism to have. it affects the game in more ways than you are acknowledging, there is response lag so you will often get hit when trying to raise your gun to shoot because it takes so long, and if you raise it and drop it again you fafe the extreme lag of waiting for it to be lowered first before raising. you will get hit cheaply in remake, a lot. running sround taking longer is a drag as it is, but adding so many extra items taked it to the point where it is fair to get frustrated playing it. i’m not trying to hate the game, i hsve never on e said i hate it. i addressed what i see are the flaws and mafe criticism aimed at dissecting those flaws. you seem intent on suggesting that i’m not be genuine in my opinion ir that the game doesn’t have these flaws, or at least teying to downplay them. that’s your right. but it’s scummy to say there’s an ulterior motive to stating critiques.
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>>12512329
>I should also mention that all of these "issues" have no effect on gameplay whatsoever.
Uhh, yes they definitely do. What kind of bullshit is this? The game ays totally different than the old Psone game. It is, as a matter of fact (not opinion), a slower experience and there are, factually, nearly double the amount of items for puzzles and it adds a lot of extra jogging around.
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>>12511931
t. suck me harder while I giggle and pat my belly. You are retarded if you think the movement was worse.
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>>12512378
>number of puzzle items doubled
Let me guess, you are including the 4 crests for the optional magnum puzzle in this very specific complaint that two people genuinely decided to complain about on /vr/ at the same time?

Again, it's really obvious that you are trying super hard to find "flaws" in this game you simply dislike for personal reasons.
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>>12512385
no it is a legitimate criticism of the way the game was designed. you are desperately flailing trying to deflect. the thread that details the puzzle items is mine, and i jumped into this thread. i did not make this thread about the rotating delay. and no, i am not talking aboyt the crest puzzle. i detaed it in my head what my complaint was, here you are strawmanning once again. and again assigning motives and trying to suggest my criticisms are not coming from a sincere place. it is you who are not being sincere and trying super hard to defend the game.
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>>12512385
why would subtracting 4 items matter. there’s something like 90 puzzle items in remake vs 40 in the original game. 4 crests aren’t the issue, it’s the other 50 items. it’s a nuisance that adds nothing but wasted time.
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>>12512413
You can't even type properly because of how upset you are. Also, nice of you to claim you aren't a samefag after initiating this all by declaring everyone calling you out was one person...
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>>12512259
Also in several of your posts you complain about the controls and use the puzzle item number to justify the controls being an issue, almost like you made both arguments to feed into each other.
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>>12512298
>>12512372

Sorry to do this to you, it feels like bullying a retard.
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>>12512423
no argument or refutation of facts. just more seething and ad hominem, and conflating of several anons.
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>>12512423
>oh yeah?! well you misspelled words in your post!
gottem. there’s no recovering from this.
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>>12512434
Here's a refutation!

When you hold the button or the stick to turn in that direction, your character will make big 90 degree turns.
When you tap the button or quickly move the stick, your character will make smaller more precise turns.
Both of these are faster than turning in RE1.
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>>12512441
Here's two more just from launching the game to confirm!

Jill raises her pistol quicker in REmake than in RE1.
Your character moves instantly forward when you press forward, there's no wind-up or having to get up to speed. They go from standing to moving forward at full speed in like two frames.

So, yeah, all of your control complaints were lies after all.
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>>12512445
post a video and prove it then. you won’t because it’s pure bullshit. the games devs admit to the added frames in animation causing lag, the reviews all understood what was happening. you have nothing but gaslighting.
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>>12512452
You didn't even post a video showing anything bad about the controls, but I will record with my phone and make the gifs if you wish.
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>>12512452
REmake.
Quality is shit but this is spur of the moment.

next webm of RE1 PS1 in a sec for direct comparison
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>>12512504
RE1

You can spin completely around faster in the original, but (as I show here) turning 90 degrees is about the same speed. Walking and running is basically the same in terms of startup or "lag."
And of course the weapon raising is slightly slower so you have more "lag" in the original whenever you wish to shoot.
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>>12512514
Now that I have clearly demonstrated that movement in REmake is not a valid criticism compared to RE1, what will you do?
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>>12512523
the original is plainly shown to be faster. also, you didn’t do a comparson of the shotgun which is what raises much slower, lowers slower and causes the character to run slower in remake. you proved op right about bring able to turn better in the ‘96 version. check and see how the shotgun raises in a snap in the original but it like a heavy load slowly being raised in remake. also watch what happens when running and trying to come to a complete stop in remake.
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>>12512523
Was your goal to make OP’s point for him after reeeing that he was a liar?
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>>12512539
Give it up already...

The shotgun has more kickback and longer recovery between shots but that was a stylistic choice by the devs as Chris has a shorter recovery between shots due to being physically stronger. You would be callin that 'soul' if you didn't have a seething hatred for this game based on lies.
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>>12512561
Bonus footage: the Assault Shotgun is aimed and fired even faster than the original's shotgun.

Nothing you said has been right.
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>>12511904
I don't care about the controls. I care that it's heavily censored and boring as fuck.
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>>12512504
>>12512570
this is not the gamecube version. the hd remaster had the faster gun loading and raising. you literally cheated and spoiled your own attempt to prove a point here. it’s not debatable, i know these games like the back of my hand. shameful that you’d sink this low but i expect nothing less since you deny every criticism and obfuscate every time you engage the thread. you’ve proved nothing but that you will go to any length to lie in defense of remake.
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>>12512586
Feel free to post a video to prove this wild claim you just made up on the spot.
You won't, of course, since you just told a total lie.
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>>12512570
This is the 2015 HD remaster port. You can tell by the increased contrast and blue-ish tint. You are a faggot. HD remaster addressed the lag and corrected gun draw speed. It is evident in your video that this is not the Gamecube speed, not even close. Bro is out here behaving like he’s paid by Capcom.
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>>12512602
see >>12512596

There's absolutely no information about what you say anywhere online, yet both of you (I'm playing along here, I know it's just one loser) know this "fact".
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>>12512607
you’re full of shit, there is plenty of info about the differences between the gamecube vs the hd remaster. contrast, lighting, hue are altered and running and gun-draw speed are fixed to be smoother. what kind of bullshit artist pretends there aren’t articles and threads up the wazoo about the subtle differences
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>>12512613
Why are you still trying?
>https://youtu.be/JHMSY1BThQQ?t=3970
It aims exactly the same.
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>>12512617
so now you admit you posted the remaster. it does NOT move the same, the remaster is faster than gamecube. they fixed the lag.
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>>12512624
You keep saying there's a difference and that it has been written about yet I'm posting direct video evidence to the contrary.

Am I supposed to be reacting to the fact that you are acting retarded? Is that the joke?
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>>12512630
you are posting the newer hd version of remake that corrected the lag from the slower gamecube version. the only comparison to make is playstation vs gamecube, which is what the thread is about. seriously, bro, what are you even doing here?
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>>12512637
I still don't get what you are doing.
Am I supposed to be angry that you are stubbornly refusing to acknowledge I proved literally everything you said wrong?
Why would I do that? I already won and you just say "nuh uh."
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>>12512641
you lied and posted a remaster with updates in place of the gamecube version. you didn’t win anything. you proved yourself definitively to be a liar
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>>12512504
The webms what ended REmake schizo
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>>12512660
the webms are the 2015 remaster which is not the game we’ve been discussing itt but go on, king
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Uh oh melty
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>>12512613
>there is plenty of info about the differences between the gamecube vs the hd remaster. contrast, lighting, hue are altered
Yes
>and running and gun-draw speed are fixed to be smoother.
No

May we see these articles talking specifically about that gun animations and the running animations? Out the wazoo, as you say, so it should be easy.
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>>12512669
yeah you really are melting down now because you didn’t know that your pc remaster runs completely different than the gamecube, thus all your arguments are btfo. then you post a youtube link to purportedly back you up and it demonstrably shows the gamecube to be slower than the remaster AND the original, on top of that your own webms of the ‘96 game backfire and prove op is right about turning. it’s a bad day for you
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>>12512683
>and prove op
Oh, you're still pretending it's not just (You)?
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>>12512685
i accept your concession
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>>12512686
I already declared victory (>>12512641) so I suggest you learn English then come back and try again with better lies that aren't easily proven wrong.
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>>12512691
lol says the guy who got caught using a remaster from 13 years later that fixes al the lag
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>>12512701
It's strange that you never mentioned this until direct video footage proved you to be a liar, and even when Gamecube footage further proved you to be a liar you just ignored it entirely.
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>>12512709
not my fault your dumb ass decided to use a remaster to help prove your point and you didn’t know that it’s not the same game. you should be discussing basef on the gamecube version since it’s a retro board and that’s what the thread is about. you fucked up. i know you’ll never admit you’re wrong.
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>>12512715
>i know you’ll never admit you’re wrong.
No shit? I know that (You) know you're a liar lol, so of course you know I wouldn't randomly say I'm wrong for absolutely no reason.
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>>12512717
but the fact is that you are wrong, and your posts prove it. you had enough rope to hang yourself. you will continue to try to invert the truth and call me a liar ad infinitum. you’re one of those turbospergs who has to be right all the time, in defiance of factual reality. doesn’t matter if you get caught and are proven a liar, you just kerp going and accuse me of that which you’re guilty. enjoy
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>still hasn't posted the numerous articles that talk about the gun animations and running animations being different in the pc port
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>>12512734
you should look up the specifications of improvements. remaster allows reloading without opening inventory, it has faster animations and faster recoil recovery, faster response in control even in tank control mode. it’s a completely overhauled version. you came into this thread using the remaster as your source to inform you but you are misinformed because the gamecube version is different. rather than accept this, and correct your stance basing it upon gamecube specifications you are choosing to flail and play games.
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>>12512748
May we see these changes? No videos or articles detail any changes to animations or timings of weapon aiming or anything like what you originally stated when you tried to dismiss the webms as invalid due to not being the same game.

I mean there's literally ZERO information except from (You) about these specific changes to animations yet you keep insisting they are there and known. Why do you not want to prove it?
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This is the funniest thread I've ever read. I've never seen RE schizo act so unhinged and desperate.
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>>12511904
Yeah that’s one of the things I hate is that REmake zombies don't pivot 90 degrees like in RE1. It looks silly but mechanically it makes RE1 zombies more fun to engage with in tight spaces. It means you can absolutely plausibly slip by the zombies without expending any resources at all and maintaining a high threat in that area if backtracking through it.
In REmake, that part of the enemy design is just removed, probably to railroad you into using the defensive items. And so now your ability to get through zombies unscathed is less governed by timing/positioning and more by having a specific item or not.
The defensive items don't even synergize with the inventory system because they're categorized out of the grid and don't have a strict carry limit.
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>>12513219
>lists random disconnected aspects about a game
>"these are bad by the way..."
we know schizo
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>>12513229
how are zombie movement in tight spaces and defensive items separate you use in tight spaces, this is all combat and the same type of combat. are you retarded?
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I never played the remake but sometimes I shitpost about the "haunted mansion" just for fun. I don't have a discord account, I just like the meme.

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