>>2336428
>Metal Fatigue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFkzRNyygfk

>>2336428
Because it's a gimmick you can largely ignore. These "design your own units" games always end up providing you with pre-designed optimized versions so you barely have to interact with the system at all. And when you do, there honestly aren't all that many options and possibilities to play with.
A Titanfall RTS would slap and I'd play the shit out of it, but you don't have to include the "design your own titan" gimmick at all. At most give an option to swap the gun/melee weapon between titans, but leave the chassis designs as they are

>>2336428
Metal Fatigue is mogged hard by metal fatigue, in Google

>>2336428
why didn't you mention impossible creatures you fucking cunt

>>2337080
Isn't Impossible Creature just letting you design units before the game and then locking you to play with your deck? Doesn't have the same on the fly dynamics.

>>2336481
>Because it's a gimmick you can largely ignore
In Metal Fatigue, it is a massive boost to cut off your opponents limbs and use them as your own, especially with research. Neuropa and Milagro have high resistances against each other but weapon damage that they have low resistance against, so if one gets the others weapons they can get around it.

>>2336481
This >>2339713
You can't just have a few predesigned "perfect" bots in MF because a large part of optimizing your builds depends on stealing shit from your opponents, which of course your opponent will try to prevent. And that's not even counting things like the alien Hedoth parts which may or may not be present on the map and if they are tend to become a focus point of the fight because you'll want to make sure your opponent doesn't get them before you.

There are also more general tradeoffs and rock-paper-scissors scenarios to consider. Like flying parts are very powerful because of the mobility they offer (especially with the game's multilayered maps) but they're also some of the most fragile parts in the game so if the enemy can counter them with surface to air weapons you can get fucked. So adapting your builds to what's going on is a big deal and you can't just make one build to rule them all.

>>2336428
>KKKND
chat is this real?

>>2336428
>>2340037
I don't recall KKND having ingame customizable units, but IIRC it did have a unit editor that allowed you to mess with unit stats.

have you tried Forged Battalion, it was kind of like that

>>2341470
Where did you even hear of that one

>>2336481
>games always end up providing you with pre-designed optimized versions
Warzone 2100 doesn't.
Althought in its case, the best design is pretty much always "whatever the fuck you most recently unlocked is 10x better than the previous same-category component".

>>2336428
alpha centauri, kind of

>>2344335
Only with the special abilities though and even then it's like 3-4 predictable uses at a time. I only ever use Clean + nothing, Clean + antiworm or Nonlethal/Police temporarily and AAA for defense. The AI doesn't use them nearly as much.

>>2337341
>Isn't Impossible Creature just letting you design units before the game and then locking you to play with your deck? Doesn't have the same on the fly dynamics.
You can do so in campaign during a mission, but if you replace any existing unit with a new one, your old units that you replaced will auto-die in an instant. Not to mention that you will loose any upgrades you had for your old units in coal and energy. So better not upgrade units you want to replace with new ones.

>>2336428
Closest thing I know is the three Earth 2150 games, which let you build vehicles with all sorts of guns, like lasers, lightning cannons and earthquake guns.

If you look at Metal Fatigue as a whole package, it's massive untapped potential for a "spiritual successor".
>combot parts with rag doll physics
>extra anime-fy the bots (or just go straight up mecha if it's not copyright infringement on Japanese)
>add your carbon copy of Asker and Ray for waifubait, with either real anime drawn by Japanese or "anime" drawn by gaijin pigs, VN style story mode between mission (the biggest attractor and money maker as long as you make your waifubait girls also fap bait)

If I was a big nosed producer, I'd be putting my money into a project like this.

Does anyone remember a C&C graphics style game where you could customize the units weapon?

>>2347292
Sounds like KKND2?
https://melbournehouse.kknd2.com/survivors/constructible_units.html
https://melbournehouse.kknd2.com/evolved/constructible_units.html
https://melbournehouse.kknd2.com/series9/constructible_units.html

I've always thought a supcom with unit design would be cool but im sure nobody would play it because it'd be horribly unbalanced.

>>2348192
>planes with big tank guns with so much recoil they're flung backwards with each shot
TAKE ALL OF MY MONEY!

>>2336428
dogshit game, fuck off
3 different maps just made the game a boring slog

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>>2340037
a huge part of the game revolves around removing the black from the soil

>>2336428
Endless Space and Endless Legend have unit design, but are turn based. I did enjoy that system

>>2348863
Meanie

Distant worlds.
>>2342579
They were are good team.

>>2347157
I will wait for a spiritual successor for MF...but I will still wait for a sequel.
>Rim-Tech, Mil-Agro and Neuropa slave away under the Hedoth.
>Hedoth Masters think they actually have them under control.
>Turns out the Corponations were very secretly reverse-engineering Hedoth tech (even Neuropa had it enough and the old council was, through some "strange occurrence", wiped out)
>Corponations wait for the perfect moment and then stage their uprising
>New Hedoth-empowered combots are powerful enough to actually reliably fight Black Combots (they are still not that powerful, but the use of guerilla warfare gives the three factions the edge over their overlords)
>Hedoth are at first baffled and then outright shocked over all of this
>The corponations manage to beat their overlords, win their freedom and claim a good chunk of the worlds they conquered for the aliens...and then go back to beating the tard out of each other
>FREAKING. JONUS. REDEMPTION ARC. That is all I want.

MilAgro should be made out of farm equipment

>>2349896
If you had read the manual you would know Mil-Agro started as an agricultural corporation.

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>>2336428
Picrel is really good, but i think it needs more challenge and fairness. Either you're the top dog in the field or you're the country that gets steamrolled.

Still very fun, early game is building dozens of cheap boarding units to hijack bigger and better ships and latw game is vaporizing whole cities with one mega doomship

Imagine
>using generative AI to stat your created units and generate new models on the fly
why can't "AI" do this?

>>2353326
It easily can because using unit stats as input isn't hard and people already have 3d model and animation pipelines, the trouble is wrangling it into the trends and stability required to be any fun.

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>>2336428
Robo Rumble had that where you can add rocket launchers to jumping legs for example, though I have more hate than love for that game

despite the weakass everything I love Metal Fatigue though
>tell workers to patrol
>they retrieve parts and repair everything on the way
>click staff roll credits
>it's a playable map

>pizza cutters

>>2354662
>Robo Rumble
I had that as a cover game (free game included on a gaming magazine) as a kid and I thought it would be Metal Fatigue but instead ...I think I didn't even play it for a week. And back then, I didn't have options to just switch to some other new game just like that.

>>2336428
nothing really beats the depth this game brought to the table. three tier map was sick and nowadays tech would make this one hell of an rts that would be second to none. with the amount of rts players out there i am really surprised this was kinda left on a shelf and not remade into a crazy AAA rts franchise. the custom gigantic robots just kick ass.

>>2367462
>three tier map was sick
Literally no one on Earth likes The Underground.

>>2367462
The tree layer map was amazing in theory, but in terms of actual gameplay I don't feel it added a whole lot. Especially the underground, as >>2367471 points out, was tedious and anti-fun. The giant mechs were the game's main draw, so having an entire layer where you can't use any mechs and you're forced to use the 3 bland tank units that each faction gets, which feels really bad.

Sky layer often felt lame to me as well, but it did enable some neat strategies, and unlike the underground at least you could put jets on your mechs so they could enter the sky layer and you're not just fucking around with dinky airplanes. The fact that flying mech parts were fragile as fuck created at least a tradeoff where you can choose to have weaker mechs that can ambush from above, or stronger mechs that can't fly. Unlike underground where there's nothing meaningful to choose except giving shit players a way to turtle up and make the game suck for everyone.

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Kudos to any post-Soviet Union block kid who got to play this without knowing any English (even tho the game itself was actualy made in China/Taiwan, so you had no idea if the devs' translation was accurate at all to begin with).

>>2374845
I remember seeing vids for a followup game to this obscure piece of chinese jank around later part of 2000s that was just a Battlefield 2-styled MMOFPS with both jeeps, tanks and mechas as drivable vechicles. Apparently it was also a prequel to the RTS game that took place exclusively on Earth IIRC?

>>2344340
>Only with the special abilities
Wrong. You customize everything, including weapons, armor, and chassis.

>>2377404
>Wrong. You customize everything, including weapons, armor, and chassis.
It's not real customization outside of the special abilities. Changing the chasis = picking a different unit type. Changing weapon/armor to a lower/higher offense/defense = decreasing/increasing the cost & they're gated by similar cost in research. Maybe if there were situations like you unlock some technology that unlocks both a weapon that's cheaper than similar research equivalent and another weapon that's stronger but is disproportionately more costly (like 5 attack when others have 2-3, but it costs 4x as much as the regular research 5 attack) then you're talking about proper customization there. But realistically, you are just picking the best you can afford every time. There is no reason to ever use a cheaper engine, and even the most advanced weapon/armor isn't more expensive than your least advanced, unless you're combining armor and weapon.

The only real give and take where you have to consider what you gain vs what you lose out on (and even increased cost sometimes) is in the special abilities. Nobody ever goes... hmm yes but I will use a gatling laser instead of a fusion laser, because the gatling laser is better against X.

>>2374845
>Metal Knight
I though i was the only person that ever played this game, got it from a friend 20 years ago who in turn had it burned from the original disk back in the days gaming magazines included games.