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ASL 21 will be taken by a Zerg Chad, indubitably. The only question is, which one? Will Soulkey return for a fifth one? Will Soma get a second one? Will Zero display his old man strength by taking a third one, well past his prime? Will Larva? Will Effort?
As he pushed into the Zerg's main
Marine a-move total no brain
Penetrated by the sunkens
He felt his testes cold and shrunken
So he scrambled for the mech switch
Lurkers out now better hide bitch
So he cowered in the bunker
Zerg on four gas
Getting drunker
Terranny, are you okay?
So, Terranny, are you okay?
Are you okay, Terranny?
Terranny, are you okay?
So, Terranny, are you okay?
Are you okay, Terranny?
Terranny, are you okay?
So, Terranny, are you okay?
Are you okay, Terranny?
Terranny, are you okay?
So, Terranny, are you okay?
Are you okay, Terranny?
Terranny, are you okay?
Will you tell us where's your third base?
There's a switch in the meta
Then he struck you - hydra-lurker, Terranny
He plowed into your tank line
Bio-mech now died to the spine
Then you loaded up the dropships
Your last effort
But you ate shit
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Terranny POV vs. Zerg Chad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jD8Sqml-lA - i maek marine1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX6v2xsaL8Y - i maek goyliath1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72vQcOQbvMc - i maek goyliath1 (it works sometimes)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V5YjBJ8JKc - Hydra-lurker OPENING with no mutas! Bio-mech push predictably gets smashed. Also, peep the HYDRA BUST attempt!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC0YpR4xRbM - meme guardian game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uVygUXfrC8 - i maek goyliath1
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>>2349905
Sc is very hard (perhaps the hardest game there is), and has been out for a long time so some millennials are really really good. If you want to be competitive there’s a bunch of solid amateurs you can follow and quickly get to A tier with rigorous training but is not a chill experience, it feels like work, and you will lose a LOT. The bombastic star league is a good set of amateur players to watch. Many of them stream. Some old masters have content on the basics.
I love watching sc but playing competitive was always too much of a grind for me so I mostly played use map settings or vs cpu games. I watched a ton of pro sc (and sc2 before that was a dead game)- artosis and tasteless are the 2 biggest English commentators. The Koreans are still the best at sc.
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>>2349905
I started playing 2-3 years ago myself and I'm B rank zerg now. There's a lot of noobs on ladder and you can join CPL to find people around your level to play, plus there's more information and guides out there than ever. Actually getting *good* (A, S+ level) takes a lot of effort (unless you play brotoss) however
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>>2349905
I played the campaign as a kid, and picked it up again few months ago. Did some games against AI, then straight to korean ladder. Had about 1 - 10 real winrate (about one third of matches the other side instaquits after game starts, not quite sure why) doing 4-pools or hydra busts. The most memorable game was probably this protoss which tried some kind of quick reaver+shuttle build against me. His shuttle got destroyed when it flew over my rallied hydras and he ragequit over that. I think it's the best not to try to be hardcore about it, but instead just have some casual fun. We are getting too old for this shit..
Thank you for reading my blog.
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>>2354408
Top 10 Zerg Chads:
1 and 2: Savior and Soulkey (it could go either way)
3: July
4: Jaedong
5 and 6: Effort and Zero (it could go either way)
7: Larva
8: Soma (will go to 7th if he wins again this ASL)
9: Calm
10: Hydra
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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>>2354408
Flash for terran without question.
Jaedong for zerg for sure, Soulkey only became the champion because Flash wasn't playing.
Snow is pretty mediocre overall, he has the best reaver/shuttle micro in the world but never managed to win any tournaments. Bisu on the other hand revolutionized the protoss game approach and pretty much invented corsair micro builds. So even though he fell off pretty hard in the past few years, he's still the protoss goat
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>>2354563
>Soulkey only became the champion because Flash wasn't playing.
As the OP shows, Flash was eliminated by three Zerg Chads (neither of which is as good as Soulkey) in his last three ASL runs, and was so mind-broken that he retired. Moreover, Soulkey destroyed Light, "the best TvZ player in the world", and the other Terrannies in his four championship runs. Also, Jaedong wasn't even that good in the KeSPA era, and is only hyped up because he LOST to Flash (he only won one Starleague against him, the power outage incident) by gay redditors and teamliquidshitters, exactly in the vein of McCain or Romney. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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>>2354563
I would like to nominate Rain to share the Protoss throne with Bisu, because even though he didn't innovate, when he actually bothered taking Brood War seriously (and not fucking off to play DoTA or Fortnite) he would magically win fights he shouldn't had won for no clear reason. Most notably in mirror matches where he would enter a build order loss and win with no cheese or gimmicks, just sheer solid mechanics.
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>constantly hear that light is "the best tvz player"
>actually check the runs
>eliminated by zerg chads THREE times
>eliminated by terranny sisters twice and by tossers twice (ONE elimination away from the zerg chad vs. terranny and tosser eliminations being equal)
>only won one asl wherein he defeated one zerg b teamer (action)
>"the best tvz player"
>terrannies are LITERALLY treated like trannies, i.e. people constantly hyping them up and lying to them that they are real women
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>2355134
>terrans break their hands every game to beat everyone
>meanwhile zerg maeks a-move hydras to win, camps lurkers on ramps to make them unpushable, puts overlords on free scouting towers that every maps has, and maybe micros a muta out of the control group to avoid radiation while sniping workers for free thanks to zerg-biased map design
>oh but zerg is actually weak and hard to play guys all these patchzergs are just that good :)
I pray for the day a ghost lands a nuke onto zergschizo's head.
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Tasteless and some warcraft 3 guy?
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>>2354479
Note how even Tossers, as bad as they are, are still shamelessly hyped up. On the topic of Bisu: before he defeated Savior in 2007, there were only FOUR PvZ Starleague finals, and a Tosser already won one of them, so even the claim that Bisu was the first Tosser to defeat a Zerg Chad in a final is false; and it was by no means that big of an achievement considering the low final count. Moreover: a) a Tosser has never against defeated a Zerg Chad in a final, and, b) the Tosser performance against Terrannies, as well as the Tosser presence in finals overall, drastically declined after 2007. Therefore, the only demonstrable "Bisu Revolution" is a Revolution of Losing. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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>>2357523
korean-tier terran play strains your wrists and tendons like a motherfucker, terran is the hardest and most micro-intensive race in the game. Stimming, laying mines, sieging/unsieging, loading/unloading drops, all of that requires manual input.
Compare that to being a worthless zerg nigger shitskin who just A-moves his entire army back and forth or controls a single group of mutalisks and wins off that alone (because of how cheap and supply efficient and OP zerg units are). The action economy is crazy imbalanced in starcraft
There was this one foreign euro pro player who switched from terran to zerg and he couldn't believe how much easier it was to play and win
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There's a lot of shizo race shittery here but at least we can all agree Protoss are easy mode, right? Reavers, Dark Templar and Higher Templar all require almost negligible input to use well, while requiring the opposing player to instantly notice their spell/attack and react accordingly with hyperactive ADHD view-switching between their bases and army simultaneously. 80% of Protoss wins are them just simply attacking in two places at once and unleashing a DT, HT or Reaper attack somewhere that the poor Terran or Zerg wasn't watching for a split second. And to add insult to injury, you can't even do the same back because Protoss combat units are inherently bulky and won't instantly lose a billion zealots/dragoons in a surprise attack.
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>>2357668
>terranny has to left click then.........t-t-terranny has to r-right click?!?!
There would be ZERO Terranny pros without medic autocast. There would be ZERO Terranny pros without unit queuing. There would be ZERO Terranny pros without flying buildings. There would be ZERO Terranny pros without infinite repair. There would be ZERO Terranny pros without walling. There would be ZERO Terranny pros without map hack (comsat). There would be ZERO Terranny pros without gas-free antiair and splash damage units. There would be ZERO Terranny pros if they had to get a third before the thirty minute mark. Etc., etc., etc. Why have so many Terranny vs. Terranny matches lasted up to forty minutes for 25 years now? Moreover, why are NONE of the Terrannies' supposed TvX skills apparent in TvT, the average match instead resembling a Command & Conquer mission? Whenever the Terranny's racial advantage is taken away, neither Terranny can do anything. It's embarrassing to watch and, no doubt, doubly embarrassing to play. Everyone knows that every Terranny is nothing but a fraud, themselves most of all. Reddit, teamliquidshit, and gay9 punditry about MUH ULTIMATE WEAPON is analogous with the 2020-2021 Yankee punditry pontificating about Biden's greatness. You LOST and you will keep losing. See: https://arch.b4k.dev/vst/thread/2170917/#2331991. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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Tiresome race arguments if playing Terran is so hard and Zerg so easy why are you playing competitively with a handicap and then being upset when you lose? The answer is always some moralfag principled bullshit, it's a game cuck boy play to win or don't get upset when you lose.
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I fucking hate mass cyclone hellion pushes fuck mech and fuck Terran players who play mech. Stupid fucking mass thor siege tank unbeatable late game FUCK
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>>2358466
>Is this dude still relevant?
he's the most active english speaking brood war content creator, but he's nowhere near pro level and never will be (but he copes about it nonstop)
> I enteres his stream a few months back and there is like 400 people and there is constantly text to speech spamming "eat shit eat shit Mario ate shit eat shit puss and shit in artosiss mouth"
that's how he makes money for his 4 children family, he gets verbally abused nonstop and paid for it
>Who can stand listening to this?
people who get off to verbal abuse. He once noted his stream views and concurrent viewers fell and never recovered because of this, but the ones who stayed keep paying money to abuse him. And he's happy to accept this deal
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8CIbPyTOXQ
Terranny status: no ok. Also:
>man hydra-lurker-defiler exterminates terrannies
>man hydra-queen exterminates terrannies
>man mass muta into mass hydra exterminates terrannies
HmmmmmmmMMMMMMMMMMM. I wonder what will happen when Zerg Chads finally take the mass hydra opening pill in ZvT.
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>>2358537
Ok, but why does he still have 400/600 people watching? Artosiss clearly doesn't have the sound on he never reacts. He clearly turns his head and reads the message on his second monitor. The only people suffering are dudes watching that have to listen to that day in day out not artosiss have myself.
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>>2359868
this dude banned me and called me a retard over absolutely nothing. I'm happy to see his life has collapsed completely and his streaming never took off. The best revenge is simply living well, and sub humans like this will crumble into the sea.
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>>2360929
Wraiths are extremely overpowered. Let us consider just the air defense, turrent vs. spore colony: 75 minerals vs. 125 minerals (?!?!), roughly double the build time, lost worker (plus a larva will have to be wasted on remaking it), etc. Common retarded points:
1. Muh d-d-d-d-damage type! Irrelevant. Terrannies can, and often do, make enough turrets to shut down any muta numbers, it's just that they often feel entitled to skip static defense (part of the overall mass delusion that they are, or ever were, actually good at the game; all they do is cut corners and gamble). If turrets did normal damage, Terrannies would simply make even fewer turrets and dilate even harder when they lose because of it.
2. Muh d-d-d-d-double hp! Irrelevant. A turrent can be indefinitely repaired, therefore it can have functionally infinite hp. Just two turrets being mass repaired can take down 11 mutas. I don't know the number of wraiths needed to take down one spore colony without losing a wraith, but it's most likely shockingly low, something like 7.
Also, Leta is a faggot. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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>>2361190
Minibros... it's over
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>>2361252
He deserved it. During the preliminaries he decided to do a Nexus first (so far so good) followed by observers first instead of his usual reaver drop because he wanted to meme on sSak and rush carriers. Unsurprisingly sSak did a timing attack before carriers hit and finished him off.
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>>2361190
The person in charge of groups who puts terrans together and away from the zergs and protosses should be shot
Scramble the fucking groups you slant eyed retards, put Shine in A, Larva in E, teolbo(t) in B, JD in D. Here, now you have exciting watchable groups instead of sixteen thousand hours of tank line management
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>>2361190
Flash won't even make it out of ro24. He might even throw to avoid having to face either of the three Zerg Chads that have previously buck-broken him and/or to avoid a fourth, catastrophic, buck-breaking from Soulkey. Predictions:
A: Sharp, Rain. B: Soulkey, JyJ. C: Larva, Hero. D: Royal, Calm. E: Rush, Speed. F: Best, Zero.
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Meds
He's the goat and will win this shit easily
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I wanna see snow eat all the terratrannies for breakfast and then get curbstomped by a zerg in the finals again
I predict flash will underwhelm and soulkey will flounder now that he cant manipulate the groups to avoid zergs
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feel like pure shit just want him back
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEw3VBII60s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecCWCO0CQQI
Note: when hydra-defiler, or hydra-queen, replaces the KeSPA Zergslop composition (ling-lurker-ultra-scourge), Terrannies no longer exhibit any heckin epic "timing attacks", "macro", "positioning": it was simply that they played Terranny and therefore always had Terranny units, which are naturally good against the zero dps and/or glacial movement of the Zergslop composition, so, naturally, any encounter seemed brilliant on the Terrannies' part. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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>zerg has glacial movement and zero dps
>when hydras outdps non-stimmed marines and lings have the highest dps in the game
>when zerg will almost always try to take fights on creep which increases movement speed and basic units get upgrades to their speed as well, even at base they outrun every other unit
zergschizo once again displaying that he does not play brood war.
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>creep which increases movement speed
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>>2364776
Proleague and KCM are not representative of the players' skill due to the bo1 format. It generally favors the worse player in that the more games any two players play, the more it will favor the better player. This is why the ASL is the big league.
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>>2364819
In the ASL, he has been eliminated by a fellow Terranny once, by a Tosser once, and by Zerg Chads three times, as the OP indicates. This was back when he "was good", mind you, and back when Soulkey was a nobody. When I say they will 41%...
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It's over...
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>>2364997
if he wins it'd be cool and i'd feel a bit bad that he didn't but i like starcraft enough that i'm happy for whomever wins
it's like with the nada nuke vs larva where i really wanted that to land cause it'd be awesome but also larva did a good job in stopping it
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I think Flash isn't going to do too well. He's out of practice and he likes to innovate in the middle of a tournament (I don't blame him, since the only way to popularize new strategies is to win with them in torunaments, but it hurts). Watch him crash and burn when he meets a zerg and tries doing goliath play or 1-1-1 instead of the more reliable but less hypetastic Bio Terran.
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>>2365276
Bio Terran is anything but reliable, you're basically playing the most micro intensive strat where one mistake costs you your entire army (and his wrists and tendons are already busted, he says he can only practice up to 10 games a day, more have diminishing results because of pain) and you count on literally ONE timing window of opportunity where you can kill the zerg, otherwise you end up in a hopeless slow grinder concluding in your loss
By far the best approach for him is to catch the opponents off guard with uncommon or entirely new timing strats, or technical strats where he can utilize high tech units early on. Like there was this one season where he kept wiping every zerg he met with valkyrie builds shutting down their then-current ZvT meta
He also said this is most likely his last season ever and he intends to donate all his winnings to charity as a final goodbye to competitive stacraft. He's not going to play fucking SK terran, he'll pull every possible ace out his sleeve
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>>2365327
Yeah you're right. I didn't take into account his wrists exploded, so I guess he has no choice. I won't deny that mech feels superior because a moment of inattention doesn't mean your entire army dies to lurkers, but it does feel like as if Terran players lose more mech games than they do bio games. I'll be honest, I also just don't like watching TvZ mech play, 1-1-1 hinges on your starting vulture threatening to kill everything and then relies on the next steps being unpredictable to keep the Zerg off-balance. While goliaths are just boring to watch, it just turns into a pure econ war where the goliath blob meets the hydra or muta blob. There's just a lot more movement and drops going on with SK Terran. And the gameflow is dictated by tech progression which is more exciting to watch.
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>>2365374
Honestly zerg is so disgustingly fucking OP that watching TvZ is like watching a surgeon with a scalpel doing open heart surgery. Either Terran goes in balls deep with a decisive neck snapping push the zerg can't stop at that moment within the first 15 minutes of the game, or zerg wins by the virtue of having the most OP unit in the game (defiler) on top of being able to refill his army in a single production cycle with a thousand cheap hatcheries
the season that Royal won was a crazy display of surgical bio play with firebats greatly helping against dark swarm spam, I can definitely see Flash utilizing firebats in a much greater capacity than ever before
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>>2365449
whole tourney infrastructure was created and maintained by blizzard so when they axed their entire e-sports division everything fell apart. ESL stepped in and tried to steward it but it was simply too expensive for them so they abandoned it.
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>>2365449
it had a good private company scene, blizzard wanted to monopolize it, they then cut it into different regions (korea/yurop) so koreans couldn't make as much money playing so no new gooks would play, shitty balance just wildly swinging back and forth, zerg being OP the longest and winning all the highest prizepool tournies, etc etc etc etc.
the real question would be what went right with SC2 proscene lol
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>>2365449
>What went wrong with SC2 proscene?
everything. And it all started with Jewzzard's infinite greed and envy over missing out financially on the Brood War pro scene (which is exactly what made it persevere to this very day)
SC2 pro scene is a perfect example of what the Stop Killing Games movement is trying to prevent. The game dying once the publisher cuts support
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Let's take a look at "the best TvZ player", Light. Online practice games but still.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZgPsDnZCr8 - Lost bo7 to...Jaedong?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coCrO37Cwrw - Lost bo7 to reigning champion Zerg Chad Soma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_jqLQLcl8o - Lost bo7 to QUADRUPLE champion Zerg Gigachad Soulkey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIOH6K4TsWk&t=832s&pp=ugUHEgVlbi1VUw%3 D%3D - Lost a game to Zelot (no "a"), potential Zerg Chad currently skillmaxxing
Jesus Christ...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwEUOk5asPU
GIGACHAD ALERT! At 1:37, reigning Zerg Chad champion Soma has defeated former Zerg Chad Jaedong in DPL, HOWEVER, he defeated him by getting defilers and hydras, and retaining all of his own mutas at that, GIGAPLAGUEING Jaedong's mutas, and mounting a catastrophic HYPERCHAD assault with hydras under swarm, and blocking the bridges behind him with lurker eggs, that took out Jaedong's fourth gas, who tried to ensnare Zerg Chad Soma's hydras, in vain. The subsequent OVERCHAD assault at Jaedong's mineral only base entailed Zerg Chad Soma's full health mutas forcing Jaedong's GIGAPLAGUED mutas to retreat, and he also ensnared them for good measure, finally, the OMNICHAD HYDRA-LURKER-DEFILER finishing blow entailed Jaedong's ultralisks popping like balloons. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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>>2366954
You're stupid. Why would anybody enter this thread or board when the zerg nigger will post the finals result the moment they happen korean time, when they can do it after Artosis posts his english commentary cast of the finals? You moronic shitskins are exhausting, just kill yourselves already.
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>>2366967
Artosis and Tasteless don't even commentate it live. As if that is not enough, they also post it 48 hours after it happens. It's literally a TRANSCAST, fitting for Terrannies. At least watch the other guys.
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As of Kim Min Chul's, aka Soulkey, de facto retirement today, Park Sang Hyun, aka Soma, is promoted to Zerg Gigachad. Kim Min Chul's unprecedented FOUR wins in a row, however, enshrine him as Permanent Gigachad, akin to Ma Jae Yoon, aka Savior, and indefinitely exempt him from demotion to former Zerg Chad, akin to Jaedong. I have no interest in "analyzing" today's games. Suffice to say that Soulkey proper would have killed Ample in the last game at least three times in the first few minutes. Moreover, Soulkey opened 12 hatch three times and, even though he easily defended three bunker rushes (this in itself is no small feat), this very much betrays a loss of killer instinct. Sad, but not unsurprising given his absence from both KCM and DPL. There can never be two Zerg Chads in their prime at the same time, look it up. To conclude: all Zerg mojo is in SOMA'S possession for the time being. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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this is what you have done
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>>2366983
What exactly doesn't make sense? That the zerg schizo will post the results the moment they happen in the middle of the night for the rest of the world, or that artosis will post it 48 hours later and that's what people here actually watch?
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I swear Greater Spires are cursed in ASL. Just about every time a Zerg player builds one, they lose. Even if the guardians/devourers put them in a good position, they'll end up losing the game anyway.
I think there's one successful Soulkey game with guardians from a few years ago (similar to the SK/Ample game last night iirc, just more well coordinated) and that's it.
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https://play.sooplive.com/artosis/292699589
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TASTOSIS LIVE!!
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>>2367790
Pulling off a surprise attack with Guardians is a zerg wet dream but the sheer amount of resources it uses up means that even if you manage to trash a mining base and force a lift-off, you usually can't easily protect the Guardians from a few wraiths. And then you're left with an army unable to do anything against the Terran response. The only time Guardians work is when a zerg is already winning, and just need to choose a hive tech to finish off the game. If they're heavily invested into mutas they can easily switch into Guardians. That's where the majority of Guardian wins come from, it's when a 2 hatch muta kills everything at around the 7-10 minute mark and Terran can't do anything. Back when 2 hatch muta came back into style a few years ago, there was a (relative) lot of successful guardian switches.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWSfIYYikQc
The Soma-Terranny game here is top tier. The Terranny opens wraiths, drops marines in Soma's base, takes out his defiler mound, but Soma, being the Gigachad, defends and instantly moves out with hydra-lurker without defilers and walks the Terranny back to his base, then brings defilers over and forces the ultimate transition.
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>get recommended some giantgrantgames sc2 challenge runs on youtube
>inspired to replay sc2 campaign for the first time since the games launched
>have fun getting all the achievements, buy the nova campaign for 6 bucks and play that too
>might as well replay the sc1 campaign while i'm at it, haven't played since it came out when i was a kid
>it sucks
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Zerg Gigachad Soma SUNKEN CONTAINS a Tosser.
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Zergsissies our cope?
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>>2364267
OH NO NO NO NO NO
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Are you ok zergtranny???????????? Are you ok????????????? Are you ok zergtranny?????????????? Looks like your predictions are off?????????? Are you ok?????????????? Looks like your zerg chad was eliminated in group stage in an extremely humiliating fashion zergtranny!!! Are you ok zergtranny??????????
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>>2369418
>>2369422
Won after beating "the best TvZ player" (see also: >>2355134) as an appetizer.
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korea must have amazing food
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>>2369635
I think its too much of a stretch to say that the game was decided after that bunker rush.
Ample could've made a single mistake that would cost all of his vessel, and the game would flipped into Zerg victory
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>>2369635
>attrition
He had enough units to kill the Terranny in the early game, both before and after he made the guardians. Moreover, he clearly saw that he did. Neither "attrition" nor any nonsense redditors attribute to Terrannies (MUH TIMING, MUH MACRO, MUH GAME KNOWLEDGE), just standard decline. See: >>2367442. Regardless, Soma is now Gigachad. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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>>2369908
You sound upset zergtranny???? Are you ok???? Your zerg chads are getting defated left and right????? Tulbo the amateur defated two zerg chads in a row?????? Are you ok zergtranny????? It doesn't sound like you are ok zergtranny????? Are you ok??????
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Besides HerO, what an embarrassing ro16 roster we have so far.
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>>2369418
He won because of maps, that's it.
>maps force terrans to move out or lose
>over make units and kill the move out that MUST happen
>win
"SOULKEY IS A GOD!!!! HE HAS THIS INSANE STYLE NO TERRANS CAN FIGURE IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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>>2370078
>he's seething so hard he started using all caps
Zergtranny??? Are you ok?????? You seem extremely upset zergtranny????? Your zergchads are falling left and right??????? To amateur players????? Ample and tulbo defeated your zergchads zergtranny?????? Are you ok??????
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Battlecruisers appear too little in pro games. I need to see more battlecruisers.
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Zerg Chads vs. Terrannies: Solving the Matchup for Good
No doubt, ZvT is in the best state it has ever been in. Paradoxically, this is not on account of any innovation, quite the contrary: hydra-lurker-defiler is actually an old, pre-Savior, composition, one that was mostly forgotten once the muta opening into hive rush was standardized, and the more "cost-effective" lurker-ling-ultra composition replaced it. Needless to say, the last quarter of the KeSPA era was the low point of ZvT, the worst it has ever been, in no small part due to this change. The assumption that faster higher tech = more damage is just that, an assumption, one that was proven absolutely wrong; so much so that, by 2011 and 2012, the matchup looked, and by all means was, hopeless. Cutting a long story short, let us consider how the vestigial KeSPA elements are still holding Zerg Chads back, despite their Historic success.
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>>2370628
1. The Muta Question. What exactly does "muta harass" even do? Can anyone point out where, exactly, does any one game, that a Zerg Chad won, mind you, show the cost effectiveness of the "muta harass"? The lair costs 100 gas, the spire 150, the flyer armor (almost mandatory) 150, and just 11 mutas cost 1100 gas. That amounts to 1500 gas just for the bare minimum required to even attempt the "muta harass". Where does the Zerg Chad inflict 1500 gas worth of damage (this would be merely breaking even) to the Terranny? Logically, nowhere. On the map control argument: it is always the mutas that go wherever the marines are not, never vice versa, and trying to "delay the push" simply results in losing the mutas; they call this a successful transition...? Not to mention that, if Terrannies do not feel entitled to skip the bare minimum of turrets required, the overall muta damage is literally null. Comparing this to a hydra opening (pre-lair): a den is 50 gas, hydra upgrades are 300, a hydra is 25 gas. Making a deliberately primitive calculation: with 350 gas spent on the den and upgrades, that leaves 1150 gas, which amounts to 46 FORTY-SIX (!) hydras. What can Terrannies produce in as short a time (hatchery tech with just pool required!) that can threaten this? Nothing. Therefore, this would actually achieve decisive map control, keeping the Terranny in the cuck shed without having to even "harass" them in any way, and letting the Zerg Chad expand and tech uncontested.
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i think its something to do with the first part of the animation is going into the ground while the 2nd part is coming up and stabbing, so if you time it inbetween then you get infinite range on it as it just checks range for the first animation.
im not a pro though, so i could be wrong.
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For new Zerg Chad admirers who are confused about the player distribution, the three races are distinct regarding the Guy and the Crew: Zerg Chads always have the Guy (top player) but almost never have the Crew (solid contenders); Tossers always have the Crew but almost never have the Guy; and Terrannies have had both, until the current era, where Flash was the Guy, but there was no Crew, and then after he got buck-broken and quit, there was no Guy but there was a Crew. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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>>2371312
Since the Western BW scene is dead and there aren't many places to discuss it, I reckon he would eventually find this place.
Yeah, I liked his videos too. Watching pros shitting other pros is entertaining: https://youtu.be/wxNMSe750Dk
Ma boi tulbo is getting bullied, lol
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>>2368542
Note: reigning champion Zerg Gigachad Soma's ZvT is just as strong as his ZvP. Compared to QUADRUPLE champion Zerg Gigachad Soulkey, who drove the bulldozer in ZvT but played Chess in ZvP, he drives the bulldozer in both machups. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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>>2371996
It's not "players improving", it's the cream of the crop no longer putting maximum effort. The level of the players is clearly going down, you can clearly gauge by how many mistakes and overall poor play even most of the winners made
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>>2372049
See: https://arch.b4k.dev/vst/thread/2170917/#2341761
>Might unironically be the last one. See: >>2331991. Most likely outcomes of another, well deserved, Zerg Chad victory:
>1. They simply end the ASL. The most simple and least suspicious measure.
>2. Terrannies, and perhaps some Tossers, begin quiet quitting. Knowing that they cannot win against Zerg Chads, they will throw games on purpose and lose in the worst possible way in order to diminish the Zerg Chads' victories and begin to claim that they "robbed an empty house", etc.
>3. A witch hunt against Soulkey and/or Soma. Unlikely given the Trumpian cultural victory whereby hoaxes are boldly called out by the general public and the persecuted proudly stand their ground.
>4. A patch. Extremely unlikely. Given the Historical opposition to "balance whining", i.e. the idea that anyone calling for balance is just jealous of Terrannies winning, this would both retroactively diminish mUh UlTiMaTe WeApOn and unearth the fact that a) the game has been balanced before many times and b) the original "balance whiners" were actually Terrannies and Tossers.
>Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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>>2372239
dejavu
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My oponent (Terran, 21M) blocked all 3 of my nearest expansions (Zerg, 23M) with engineering bays. Given that Terrans can just salvage the engineering bays before I can destroy it, what's the appropriate response? Just simply don't expand until I can get lings out to clear it?
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>>2372529
If he's thrown down three ebays before you you can start your hatchery then he's had to make some cuts to his own economy (or he's just a way better player who is clowning on you in which case you're going to lose no matter what you do).
I'd suggest not sending all you drones to kill it but the more you send the faster you can start your hatchery and the more likely the ebay dies before he hits refund, embarrassing him and putting you in a better position.
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The Wraithlord is back
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>>2372516
Zero has thrown more games than everyone else combined. He threw against the Terranny in chief in the last MSL, and against Jangbi in one of the last OSLs. If he didn't throw he would currently be at like at six starleagues instead of two.
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>>2371803
>who drove the bulldozer in ZvT but played Chess in ZvP
more like Ample, an amateur casual player who plays starcraft in between waiting for uber eats orders to deliver, drove a bulldozer inside Soulkey's sissy ass without effort. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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i like starcraft and i like watching it and it was nice to see people being so happy, leta and organ/piano were both so obviously happy it was nice to see
them having to mute tasteless over his anti-semitic rant was ridiculous though, he needs to control himself
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>>2372802
Zerg Gigachad Soulkey thoroughly buck-broke all top Terrannies during his four consecutive ASL wins. In ASL 16, Jyj and Rush; in ASL 18, Rush, Light, and Sharp; in ASL 19, Light and Rush again. He faced only Tossers in the ASL 17. Moreover, Zerg Gigachad Soma, too, buck-broke Light last ASL, see: >>2369427, which he won; as a matter of fact, this double buck-breaking accounts for Light, "the best TvZ player", having a losing record against Zerg Chads.
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>>2372824
kek. A guy who plays ladder only by watching a game stream on his phone and telling his little brother what to do defeated your precious gigachad Soulkey with ease. Literally one game and your great 4-time champion gigachad gets defeated and eliminated out of the most important tournament by a driver who only pays attention to the game 3 minutes at a time out of entire games (and still wins). Soulkey literally couldn't be any more humiliated, and everyone who worships him should kill themselves out of shame
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>>2372836
>>2372850
AHEM! Reminder:
>https://arch.b4k.dev/vst/thread/2170917/#2331991
>asl 21 map pool is coming together
>all maps rewarding thinking like death valley or roaring current (maps that the zerg champions soulkey and soma always won on, unsurprisingly) removed by terranny jannies
>bizarre regressive maps that would look out of place even in 2012 added
>they're THAT desperate
>blizzard faggots, reddit faggots, and kespa faggots WILL kill themselves if a zerg wins again
>mfw a soulkey-soma final would TOTALLY mind-break the boomer clingers to muh ultimate weapon, muh solved multiplayer, muh just liek 40k space marines LOL
>Zerg Chads, give yourselves a round of applause!
Granted, a fourth buck-breaking of "muh ultimate weapon" will do in lieu of a ZvZ final. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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>>2373054
>a thousand fucking kikes murderfucking palestinian children in gaza. Fucking slant eyed yellow niggers in korea are endlessly supporting mass genocide for a couple fucking thousand shekels funding a thousand fucking ASLs. Every single near blind gook retard has fucking thousands of gallons of blood on their fucking hands. Disgusting and despicable. They should round them all up and execute them in the town square, and have the executioners be given a lifetime pension for this service to humanity.
>Tasteless, that's unfeasible. All of these guys would be retired they'd be like naah
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TINK TINK TINK...AHEM!
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TINK TINK TINK...AHEM!
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pray for my boy he's about to get raped
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>>2374359
soma going through
tulbo is out
toss up between sharp and ssak
hero going through
piano is out
toss up between rain and snow
flash and jaedong going through
bisu and ample are out
light going through
toss up between the other 3(whoever else goes through is out next round anyway)
this time both Group B and C are more stacked than the usual Group D
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz9eN1P_NnU
Zerg Gigachad Soma POV DRAGOONING Terranny marines and tanks with hydra-lurker before defilers and shooting vessels down almost automatically in the first game, and, in the third game, TACTICMOGGING Terranny goliaths and tanks by BURROWMAXXING hydras outside his base and brutally destroying the push by COMPOMOGGING the goliath-tank force with hydra-muta, then, as if that it not enough, he TECHSWITCHMOGGED the dying Terranny by QUEENMAXXING, making the Terranny autoquit in seconds.
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>>2374446
A Zerg Chad will never make two other Zergs fight each other, Chads or not. On Jaedong picking Flash: Jaedong is thoroughly buck-broken in ZvT, so much so that he lost his Chad title, but Flash is likewise buck-broken in TvZ, so much so that he retired, so it's a calculated move.
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>Leta vs Tulbo finals
>looks like Leta is about to win
>Tulbo recalls his mind controlled wraith fleet
aaah
the visions
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parasocial behind the scenes shenanigans video
https://youtu.be/3MKlSuUqCNA?si=kLypvkQJ22QRITYc&t=233
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Is Starcraft 2 worth getting into as someone new to RTSs? The scifi setting looks cool
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>>2374430
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BK7ADoKt3E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSPCGnrcYVs
More Zerg Gigachad Soma POV against Terrannies. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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>>2375118
Are you ok zerg schizo???? Are you ok????? The groups don't look good for you?????? Are you ok????? Thank you for your attention to this matter?????? Are you ok?????? Soulkey missing??????? Larva missing?????? ASL zerg champions getting defeated left and right?????????? By amateur players???????? Are you ok???? It doesn't look like you're ok?????? You have to post cope videos now??????? Are you ok zerg nigger??????? You don't seem ok?????
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>>2375168
Are you ok??? You don't seem ok??? You're obsessed with another zerg player about to get eliminated from ASL???? Are you ok???? Ample and tulbo will eliminate soma???? What will you do then????? Are you ok????? Will you join the 41%????? Are you ok???? You don't seem ok???? You seem fairly delusional????? Are you ok???
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>>2375183
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1775665081905888.webm" target="_blank">https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1775665081905888.webm
let us simply enjoy starcraft and put and end to the violence
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The Ultimate Cuckold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvLlR0j9Ub4
Bonus game against an active Terranny:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06mNs6dLwjs
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>>2375632
But let's see how he's doing against fellow washed up players:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHcl2abdjxc
Bonus: Jaedong giving a Terrany whiplash, some vintage Zergslop followed by the some cutting edge hydra-queen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXQxg4p_jaA&t=1044s
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KmDzuxa1k8&t=858s
>I put Leta at like 5% to win
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Streaming group selection
https://play.sooplive.com/artosis/293154775
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>>2374799
campaign starts strong with WoL, still a step down from BW, but quickly turns to WoWslop writing. the player made custom games in the arcade hard carry SC2 if you're not into competative. theres 3player and race swap versions of every campaign if you have some friends to tag along with (you) or if you want to play the zerg campaign as terran.
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This is his dinner tonight
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