>>111018600
There's no evidence that the "Holy Light" is ignited magically. The man simply enters a closed chamber and ignites the flame while concealed.

> the patriarch of Jerusalem is checked by unbelieving officers of the jews of anything that he could use to light a fire artificially
Yes, and many of them have verified and testified several methods to commit the fraud, across the church's history.

>proven scientifically to be colder for 10 minutes after descending (~40C vs ~300C+)
Yes, the temperature of a white phosphorus fire reaches ~800°C when ignited and then decreases to ~30°C once it has stabilized.

> people who tried to discredit the miracle are either unbelievers or schismastics (all have reasons to gain from the miracle being false, making their witness untrustworthy)
You're just reflecting here. Believers have something to gain by lying; unbelievers don't. A lack of belief means a lack of bias, not the other way around.

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forsen

>>111019508
slander and falsehoods

this fat one looks like tubby

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pls rember to alway bee nise

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>>111020258
so wholesome <3

Goodnight shoggas, happy Easter

Her idea of age is dumb

>call leon old and gay
>cry for help from him

>>111020660
gn

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>>111020660
goodnight shogga

https://youtube.com/watch?v=6pMf91N1tNU
Us </3 ;-; ;-; ;-;

shondo will most likely have wet dreams thinking of Leon
how does that make you feel?

>>111021175
You're wrong

>>111021175
pretty hot, especially considering that Leon looks like me.

>>111021175
i thought she hated leon and wanted victor? did she change her mind at some point? i stopped watching

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girl math with shondo

>>111025456
What she says is not the most important thing (after all, most women make fun of people they are attracted to as a defence mechanism). What matters is her overall mood, voice and attitude when talking about him.

>>111025456
She still doesn't care for Leon as a character but thinks his gameplay is more fun than Grace's gameplay (Which is intentional by design)

>>111025584
>after all, most women make fun of people they are attracted to as a defence mechanism
so you think she's attracted to retromancer considering how many times she has made fun of his height?

>>111025654
Yes, she is.

>>111025774
is this part of your cuck fantasy?

>>111025857
The fetish of "cucking" arises from misogynistic sentiments surrounding relationships. It loses its meaning completely once you start treating people as people instead of property.

If a woman prefers someone else's cock, that's her prerogative, not yours.

>>111026086
so you admit to being a cuck?

>>111026135
That's like asking an atheist if they hate God. The concept of "cucking" doesn't refer to anything that actually exists, it's just a mental construct in the minds of misogynists.

Anyone with a current paid subscriber badge to twitch streamer fallenshadow is a cuck.

>>111026291
>not denying it
HOLY KEK LMAO

>>111026305
Yes, and the color blue is crying.

unicorns die

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rate the stream

>>111027717
she really loved hanging out with me today/10

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>>111027717
9/10. That was a really fun comfy stream. 10/10 wife like usual. Hope she can get some sleep so we can have even more fun tomorrow!

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good night everyone, don't forget to take care of yourself!

>>111025654
She just admitted on stream that she was.

>>111027717
fun/10 and she went a lot longer than i expected

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shondo, lets play again

>>111027717
Soft started the IRL dating arc so a 0/10.

>>111030239
yeah, me

https://x.com/i/status/2043066137634636142
Good morning! Christ is risen!

>>111030521
Heat transfer takes time, if you keep moving spastically like that, of course you'll never burn.

It's not a miracle, it's 7th grade science.

You're not helping the faith with this garbage.

>>111030751
You must have never been around fire lol, especially a flame that big
To deny this miracle you literally have to deny reality! How pathetic! Where is your sting, O Death??

>>111030938
That's a cold ass wax fire, it would take about 30 seconds to burn you. Notice that he never keeps the flame stationary and never touches the hot part (which is above the part where it is the brightest). You're surprised by a beggar's street performance, lmao.

>>111031029
Cope

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>>111031029
>[fire] would take about 30 seconds to burn you.
Right

>>111031497
>>111031655
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/articles/questions/why-brief-contact-flame-doesnt-burn
get scienced, you idiot

>>111033152
cutie

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baby

I love my wife, hope she's well

>>111034763
She is not your wife, dylan

>>111034881
It's qwerty, actually

Anything new in the discord?

Anything new in her Facebook?

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Shondocat wants to play

Her last post in tumblr was cute

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>>111037624

>>111038050
Post

https://x.com/i/status/2043080095103922343
If i was in sue's place i'd either move too or tell shondo to stay away from the guy, and if he tries to get closer to her to tell him I'll kill him if he does not
Then if she talks about him too much I'd go to where she moved and stalk them
But also i would do the last thing if she doesn't tell me she listened and stayed away from him
Or i would get a job and keep shondo away from moving by renting an apartment to prevent all of it to begin with

>>111039401
>I'll kill him if he does not
- stay away from her

I hope things get better for all of us! Stream and family-wise

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She sounds even sicker. Poor girl.

St. Panteleimon, pray for the health of my wife, O, holy unmercenary healer!

shes so stoned rn

i consider the vibe on today

did she drank all the codeine before today's stream?

why is she drawing Leon jacking off to a zombie?

she totally flicked her bean thinking about leon tonight

Leon won

>>111040374
She is unironically on drugs.

>>111040627
I'm still running my analysis, don't make any hasty determinations

>>111040048
Colds typically get worse before they get better. Yesterday she said she was 101 degrees. Today she's 103. This is likely the worst of it and by the end of the shadow weekend she should be a bit better as the week progresses

Unfortunately, vibe is OFF yet again (maybe more than usual)

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>>111040756

>weed
>trueeeeee
kek

She really should continue on another day

why isn't her face tracking working, is her brother playing for her today?

smoking some shweed with my shumo and beemo again.
if she can i also can

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D97QSzCRTHI

I don't believe I've heard her be this unenthusiastic ever

>>111042257
she's high

>>111042167
yes, and terrorists crashed into the twin towers

why are newer RE games just actionslop, where's the horror

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>>111042257
She's completely out of it. Too sick to be streaming but she's thugging it out.

I want to throw something at her and listen to her squirm.

>>111043515
RE4 was actionslop and it was a huge success so the franchise pivoted in that direction and never looked back. They even forced Leon back because he was so popular with women.

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Warm showers are very nise

>>111046620
WAITER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I NEED MORE!!!!!!!

> shondo messed up her sponsored Minecraft stream and they gave it to inis instead.

>>111048392
I think it's more that multiple vtubers got offers. Shondo did botch hers though. Seriously, who doesn't have Minecraft on their computer already?

>>111045162
devil may cry was originally meant to be resident evil. there's a lot of overlap

>>111048467
Tbf many people lost their minecraft account for not migrating (though it was quite easy to do)

>>111048467
it was a twitch offer. literally anyone with partner can do it for a stream

why does sick shondo sound like a 12-years-old boy

>>111048571
and Shondo didn't have it installed on her computer. So she installed it mid stream. That's why OBS wasn't showing it. She needed to restart it but she decided to just end the stream instead.

If she did even the slightest bit of pre-stream preparation this would've been avoided. Oh well, Inis needs the money more anyways.

>>111048647
okay, i don't care that you're seething and being a raging manchild i was just explaining where the sponsor came frome

https://x.com/i/status/2043271980414095789
This is so tuff

https://x.com/i/status/2041849085011824655
Thoughts?

https://x.com/i/status/2043262734746149081

>>111049133
The whole idea that “the Jews killed Jesus, and they are to blame for that” is a historically and theologically distorted trope that’s been used by fascistic demagogues for centuries to trick people into their ranks.

Within Christian theology itself, the crucifixion isn’t framed as a crime that needs avenging, but as part of a salvific narrative. In texts like the New Testament, Jesus’ death is presented as something foreseen and meaningful within God’s plan, not as grounds for condemning a group of people. That makes the “they killed him, therefore they suck” argument not just harmful, but internally inconsistent with the very religion people spreading that narrative pretend to uphold.

What you’re seeing in that video is a familiar pattern: using religious language to channel anger toward a target group. That’s not even theology, it’s rhetoric aimed at mobilizing resentment.

https://x.com/i/status/2043418831415066624
Artists, check this one out

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>>111049477

>>111049957
It's actually that the jews killed Jesus because they suck, not the other way around

>>111050482
That's what I was addressing, and my point is that Jews aren't to blame for their involvement in Jesus' death, Jesus was the one who manipulated Jews and Romans into killing him.

>>111050570
The jews literally say that Christ's blood is upon them and their children

>>111050040
Elis cuck Dansgame

>>111050803
You're taking a single verse from the Gospel of Matthew (Matthew 27:25) and treating it as a literal, collective, and timeless admission of guilt by all Jews. That interpretation doesn’t hold up well historically or theologically.

First, the line “his blood be on us and on our children” is spoken by a specific crowd in a specific narrative, not by “the Jews” as a whole. Even within the text itself, Jesus and his earliest followers were Jewish, so interpreting this as a condemnation of all Jews creates an internal contradiction. You can’t coherently claim that “the Jews” are collectively guilty when the central figures of the story are themselves Jewish.

Second, historically, the execution of Jesus Christ was carried out by the Roman state. Crucifixion was a Roman method of execution, and the authority to impose it rested with Roman officials. Reducing that to “the Jews did it” oversimplifies the political and legal reality of the time.

Third, from a textual standpoint, the Gospels were written decades after the events they describe, in a context where early Christians were trying to define themselves relative to both Roman authorities and other Jewish groups. Many scholars understand passages like this as reflecting intra-Jewish conflict and rhetorical framing, not as a literal transcript assigning eternal guilt to an entire people.

Finally, even within Christian theology, the idea of collective hereditary guilt conflicts with broader themes about individual responsibility and forgiveness. This is why most modern Christian traditions explicitly reject the notion that Jews as a whole bear responsibility for Jesus’ death.

So the verse exists, but using it to justify collective blame is a misreading of context, history, and theology rather than a solid argument.

if there are actually any shondo fans from back in the golden age still around here: what would you say is her best, most intimate (or even slightly lewd) ASMR? the peak of Shondo fulfilling her potential as a loli wife?

>>111051439
>You're taking a single verse from the Gospel of Matthew (Matthew 27:25) and treating it as a literal, collective, and timeless admission of guilt by all Jews.
Yes.
>First, the line “his blood be on us and on our children” is spoken by a specific crowd in a specific narrative, not by “the Jews” as a whole.
They were the representative group of Jews which rejected Christ and later became the fathers for rabbinic judaism, so all jews, yes
>Second, historically, the execution of Jesus Christ was carried out by the Roman state. Crucifixion was a Roman method of execution, and the authority to impose it rested with Roman officials. Reducing that to “the Jews did it” oversimplifies the political and legal reality of the time.
It was Passover, the jews openly handed Jesus over to pilate do they wouldn't be ritually unclean. They tried stoning Him to death plenty of times before.
>Finally, even within Christian theology, the idea of collective hereditary guilt conflicts with broader themes about individual responsibility and forgiveness.
It's not as much a guilt as it is a curse, which can be passed down to children as a punishment for the sins of the parents within Christians theology
>This is why most modern Christian traditions explicitly reject the notion that Jews as a whole bear responsibility for Jesus’ death.
That's actually because the jews are behind "modern Christian tradition" (Protestant)
Christ is risen

>>111051511
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03uSyWY7Rvw

>>111051776
> Yes.

You're dumb.

>They were the representative group of Jews which rejected Christ and later became the fathers for rabbinic judaism, so all jews, yes

The crowd in the Gospel of Matthew is a specific group in a specific scene, not a formal “representative body” of all Jews. There’s no mechanism, legal, religious, or narrative, by which that crowd could bind all Jews across time. In fact, the earliest Christians (including Jesus and his disciples) were themselves Jewish, so this interpretation collapses into contradiction: it would make Jews collectively guilty, including those who founded Christianity.

The idea that this group somehow becomes “the fathers of rabbinic Judaism” is also historically wrong. Rabbinic Judaism developed after the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE, through a long intellectual and religious evolution, not from a single crowd in a Gospel narrative.

> It was Passover, the jews openly handed Jesus over to pilate do they wouldn't be ritually unclean.

This is a misreading. The Gospel accounts (e.g., John 18:28) say that some leaders avoided entering Pilate’s residence to maintain ritual purity. That’s not the same as “the Jews” as a whole handing Jesus over. Historically, the authority to execute by crucifixion belonged to the Roman prefect, not to local religious authorities. The involvement of certain leaders doesn’t translate into collective responsibility for an entire population.

>They tried stoning Him to death plenty of times before.

This is a dishonest rhetoric exaggeration. The Gospels describe a few confrontations where Jesus is threatened (e.g., John 8:59), but these are narrative episodes, not evidence of repeated organized attempts by “the Jews” as a whole. Framing this as a consistent, collective effort is simply not supported by the text.

> It's not as much a guilt as it is a curse, which can be passed down to children as a punishment for the sins of the parents within Christians theology

This directly conflicts with core strands of Christian theology. Texts like Ezekiel 18 explicitly reject inherited guilt, stating that individuals are responsible for their own actions. Even within the New Testament, the emphasis is on personal repentance and forgiveness, not hereditary punishment. Turning a narrative line into a generational curse contradicts those principles.

> That's actually because the jews are behind "modern Christian tradition" (Protestant)

This is both unsupported and self-contradictory. Protestant and other modern Christian traditions emerged from internal developments within Christianity, not from some external control by Jews. Claiming that Jews both rejected Jesus and simultaneously shaped Christian doctrine is incoherent. It’s an ad hoc explanation meant to dismiss disagreement rather than engage with it.

https://x.com/i/status/2043324507029385662
Thoughts?
>>111052123
I think you're profoundly stupid and or dishonest

why are secular atheists so invested in defending jews from killing the messiah

>>111052878
You're not gonna believe this, but jews are behind atheistic secularism

>>111052878
Because that absurd rhetoric is then employed by demagogues to commit atrocities.

https://x.com/i/status/2043419935087460784
People after you stop looking at their faults:

>>111053522
People are nothing more than disgusting flesh inside, though.

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hasta luego

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rate the stream

>>111054832
420/10 zatsu
10/10 game
11/10 wife
goodnight shoggas

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>>111054832
9/10 it started a bit rough but she started feeling better as it went on. 10/10 wife like usual. Hope she can relax and get some rest during this shadow weekend.

>>111054832
codeine/10

okay i keep thinking about it and it won’t stop it just sits there in my head, they have to make a sequel from the bad ending. you play as just some girl who cares too much, walking through places that still feel like him even though he’s gone. and it just goes on like that for a while, just grief, just absence, just that awful quiet that doesn’t let you breathe right

and then it twists it has to twist because things don’t stay dead in these stuff they never do not really, he’s not gone he just… isn’t right anymore. something changed something followed him back or maybe it was always there i don’t know. he comes back wrong but beautiful in that way things shouldn’t be, like something pretending to be human just well enough to hurt you. some kind of stupid, perfect incubus thing like it sounds ridiculous but it fits

and he saves everything like it was inevitable like it was always going to end like that no matter how much it hurt getting there and she just… accepts it. all of it. the grief the waiting the wrongness of him. and then they get married like it’s a reward like it all meant something like suffering was just a path and not a pit

what do you think, shoggas… am i the only one who feels this or ...

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The bad ending is hilarious in the most spiteful way possible.
>Everything Leon has survived through over the years
>Gets shot once and fucking dies
10/10 ragebait

I want to kidnap otis and force shondo to look for him in my basement.

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otis is my nigga

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The only corpo owner and manager I trust.

did anyone tally how many times she said evil residents?

>>111062002
you are not immune to propaganda

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are you proud to obe ucked by even a dude in aivideogame, you areen ot men, you are cucks and worst of all you are proud of it

>>111061635
a

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She still likes Jason better. Stop trying to change her husbando.

>>111062925
This. Shondo is not a whore.

>>111063018
women are naturally whores, they are meant to have sex with everyone and the guy with the largest dick wins. the entire monogamy thing is just internalized misogyny

>>111063046
>guy with the largest dick wins
well, that was established in Jason X so he still wins

>>111062925
Sykkuno is her real husband

https://youtu.be/7yLV2-yU1hQ
Awesome! Sts. Nicholas Palanas and Panteleimon, pray for us!
>>111053754
People need bodies to interact with the world, but they need minds to comprehend what is going on around them, and they need souls so as to interpret what their minds receive from the body
It's logically impossible for the body to be self-sufficient in this regard of existence, it needs things outside of material stuff, for then that material stuff would still need something immaterial to depend upon (otherwise it's regress to infinity)

>>111063439
Your “infinite regress” argument is just nonsense recycled from a time when people didn’t have a clear concept of infinity or well-defined systems. Simply saying “this would go on forever, therefore it’s impossible” is no more than discomfort with the idea of infinite or self-contained processes (an appeal to common sense fallacy).

Even at the time they knew their views were nonsense, and today we understand precisely how and why, allowing us to correct them. By the same premises you're employing, motion and change should be impossible because of the Zeno's paradoxes, after all, you can divide space and time endlessly, so how does anything ever get anywhere? Yet objects clearly do move. The resolution didn’t require invoking anything immaterial; it came from better mathematical and conceptual tools.

So your argument doesn’t demonstrate that the body “needs” something non-material, it just baselessly assumes that an infinite or self-contained chain is unacceptable, without actually showing why. Worst of all, the god of the gaps you then introduce contradicts the very premises your argument relies upon.

>>111063704
Zeno's paradox is retarded, achilles and the turtle would still reach the end at one point, and that's irregardless of the division, since it's still the same distance. Maybe if the paradox supposed not a race, but something else, then it would have a point (by having a lack of destination). However, because it's a race, then it presupposes a set distance to race, which, given enough time, would be crossed; furthermore, if we were to grant the division unto infinity, then we would have to do so only by suspending time. But because time is a constant (or at least because we count it by a positive increasing increments of seconds or fractions of a second), the division is happening unto infinity only for the time it takes to reach the end of the set distance. The calculation is subordinated to the time it takes to do the calculation.
Regress to infinity must be rejected because if it is upheld then there is no beginning to any phenomena, which is incoherent. If there is no beginning to anything, then it shouldn't be a thing. A thing presupposes the beginning of a thing. You're stupid.

>>111064311
>come to /vt/ to talk about how adorable and amazing and wonderful and beautiful and inspiring and heroic Shondo is
>remember how often people make stupid defenses of their faith that come close to making me question mine
Thank you I almost restarted a very detrimental habit. Goodbye.

>>111064719
If questioning stuff is detrimental then you just need to seek the truth and fortify the belief until you're confident in it

https://x.com/i/status/2043497007340564869
Thoughts?

>>111019313
Wait why did you say "her husbands" didn't she go out of her way to say she doesnt want you guys thinking about her like that anymore now that you've made her rich and given her a successful career?

https://youtu.be/GWj2DUCvxpE?si=oHOwAJhcSKH8c8-1

>>111064798
No

shondo

>>111066359
Luvher

https://x.com/i/status/2043683626605224260

https://x.com/i/status/2043665470931210560
Thoughts?

>>111066359
Luvher More

>>111064311
You’re actually arguing against a version of Zeno’s paradox that nobody defends, while completely missing what the paradox is supposed to show. Zeno wasn’t claiming “Achilles never reaches the finish line in real life.” Obviously he does. The paradox is about a logical tension: if you model motion as completing infinitely many steps, how can that be done in a finite time? Your response (“he gets there anyway”) just restates the observation. It doesn’t resolve the contradiction, which necessarily follows from some of the same premises you use in your "infinite regression" argument, Zeno is pointing at.

The real resolution came much later, with calculus: an infinite series can converge to a finite value. You don’t need to “suspend time,” and time being measured in increasing increments is irrelevant. The key point is that infinitely many divisions of distance can sum to a finite duration. So your objection isn’t solving the paradox, it’s just attempts to sidestep it with additional layers of nonsense.

Your idea that “infinite regress must be rejected” is merely an assertion, not something that is logically demonstrated, saying “if there’s no beginning, then it’s incoherent” doesn’t make it incoherent. But we already accept plenty of things without beginnings in that sense, such as the sequence of integers. In fact, the first cause argument's initial premises ("something exists", "everything must have a cause", "nothing can cause itself", and "causality is transitive") LOGICALLY IMPLY AN INFINITE REGRESS (for the same reasons why there's no largest or smallest integer); the rest of the argument is an attempt to try to evade the very implications of the premises the argument relies upon, in a way which ends up contradicting itself.

Overall, you've shown complete inability to address these philosophical questions. With Zeno, you dismiss the paradox without addressing its actual argument. With infinite regress, you reject it by definition rather than by showing a contradiction, and in doing so, you truly contradict yourself when you use the rejection to claim the existence of supernatural things such as souls or gods. Calling something “impossible” because it clashes with your intuitions about beginnings or infinity is just an appeal to common sense fallacy; this goes to show how you must intentionally cripple your capability to understand logic and math to uphold your religious beliefs.

michael status?

>>111070088
Maybe math does solve zeno's paradox, but why should zeno's paradox and it's mathmatical solution apply to what we're talking about? Also, the causal argument is poorly underatood in english because it's built upon the latinized understanding of aristotle's metaphysics via thomas aquino. While the latins, and later english speaking people, chose to translate it to the equivalent of "cause", the better term as aristotle used it is "reason of being", as aristotle was concerned about the principles behind the world. In such a view, the retarded modern causal argument changes quite a bit and becomes much easier to justify the premise of (if you reject that "everything has a cause" then the argument falls flat on it's face, but only due to the connotations attributed to the term "cause")
I personally stopped using the casual argument because of this headache, though i still think it's valid
Anyways, infinite regress should be rejected because it leads to an inability to find any one principle. No principle (reason of being) means that the thing we're thinking about is incoherent or shouldn't exist
If we apply the same thing to the human person, then we will eventually end up conceding, if we're being logically consistent, to the existence of an immaterial thing. Whether that thing is the mind or the soul depends on how comfortable you are with that idea (of the immaterial). You could also go further and look for the princicple behind the existence of the soul, in which case you'd have to concede that you're essentially God yourself, or that "God" (more closely "the divine", see plato's theory of forms where he identified it as the Good) exists

>>111074001 (me)
Just making sure, but in not saying plato was correct, he himself wouldn't say that

>>111074001
Replacing the term "cause" with "reason of being" does not fundamentally alter the argument. Even if we continued with the argument as it usually goes, and contradicted the premise that 'everything that exists has a reason of being', by assuming that there must be one exception, there is no reason to believe that this exception would be something immaterial. In fact, the most parsimonious candidate for this supposed exception is the universe itself.

>>111074451
There is no exception to the reason of being
The reason of being for God is God's essence, it's just that we can't know God's essence, only His uncreated Energies (or (other translations) actions, manifestations, operations, etc.)

>>111074554
You're just kicking the can down the road a little further. The exception (which you baselessly assume exists) you're assuming now (for no reason) is 'God's essence'.

Also, there's no reason to think that we can know the supposed "God's uncreated Energies".

As always, all you can do to try to defend your beliefs is by piling more unsubstantiated nonsense on top of more unsubstantiated nonsense.

https://youtube.com/shorts/XwpfhmuQt9o
>>111074695
God's energies are literally how he interacts with the world. We can know them because of what happens in the world. You're being stupid or just ignorant.
The reason of being for God is His Essence, what distinctively makes Him God. There is no exception, but we are unable to know His reason of being aside from claming it to be His Essence, and do so only in contrast to what we actually can know about God, which is, as i said above, how He interacts with the world.
We know God's energies positively, yet can only know of His essence negatively

>>111074944
> God's energies are literally how he interacts with the world.
There’s no evidence whatsoever that any god is interacting with the world in the way you’re describing. The observable universe behaves consistently with impersonal physical laws, without requiring the intervention of a conscious agent. If such interactions were real, we would expect clear, distinguishable deviations from natural processes; instead, what we see is exactly what we’d expect from a universe that isn't being manipulated by an all-powerful, all-seeing mind.

> The reason of being for God is His Essence, what distinctively makes Him God. There is no exception, but we are unable to know His reason of being aside from claming it to be His Essence, and do so only in contrast to what we actually can know about God, which is, as i said above, how He interacts with the world.
You're contradicting yourself, rendering your arguments invalid. You start by asserting a universal rule, everything must have a reason of being, and then immediately carve out an exception by saying God’s reason is just “His Essence,” which you also claim is unknowable. That’s not an explanation; it’s a redefinition used to avoid the rule you just established while transparently pretending that you aren't violating it.

What’s happening here is a combination of special pleading and an appeal to ignorance. You’re maintaining that everything requires an explanation, except for the one thing you want to exempt, and when pressed, you retreat into “it’s unknowable.” But if “having no further explanation” is acceptable for God, then there’s no reason that same stopping point couldn’t apply to the universe itself.

So the argument doesn’t demonstrate that a first cause must be a supernatural mind, let alone the specific God of Orthodox Christianity. It just assumes it, while exempting it from the very principle used to argue for its necessity.

>>111075383
You're stupid, i have been consistent and coherent
If you don't want to or simply can't understand what i'm saying then that's a different matter

>>111075630
No, you have not been consistent, as I have explained to you thoroughly and repeatedly.

What's the reason of being of God's Essence? You've not given any response which doesn't make your arguments collapse on themselves, leaving us with no reason whatsoever to think that God's Essence (nor God's Energies) exist.

>>111075727
Anything at the level of, or beyond God's Essence is unknowable for us
Language and experience are wholly unreliable for what is at that scale, nor can we conceive it, because we have no access to it
Only the persons of the Holy Trinity can know of this, for it is within them
To put it bluntly: i don't know, nor can i know

https://x.com/i/status/2043766168910266447
Us?

>>111076356
You started by insisting that everything must have a “reason of being,” but when that standard is applied to "God’s Essence", you abandon it and say it’s unknowable. That’s not a continuation of your argument, it’s a retreat from it. If the explanation for the most important part of your claim is something you explicitly admit cannot be known, described, or even meaningfully discussed, then it’s not functioning as an explanation at all.

At that point, your position reduces to: “There is an explanation, but I can’t say what it is, and no one can know it.” But if that’s acceptable, then the exact same move could be made about anything else: “The universe [or invisible pink super unicorns, or whatever else] has an explanation, but it’s unknowable.”

And suddenly, your argument for God loses all necessity, because you’ve allowed “unknowable explanation” as a valid stopping point.

So you haven’t solved the regress problem, you’ve just relocated it into something you’ve defined as untouchable. And since you also admit there’s no way to access or verify any of this, you’re left without any actual reason to think your specific claims about God’s Essence or “Energies” are true.

Shondo stopped following Sykkuno

>>111076665
She was?

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>>111074568
cute

>>111076501
Perhaps it's more right to say that everything subordinate to Logic (Logos) in the order of principles has a reason of being
When you get to too high of a point, it stops making sense using human reason and concepts (hence why it's unknowable and inconceivable), and it seems to me that this limit is logic itself. But i already established that i view logic to be a shadow of the true person of the Logos, the Lord Jesus Christ
Thus, i have corrected myself with your help and guidance (challenges)
Thanks for the help, probably wouldn't have done it without you! You were right and i was wrong, but you are still incorrect, and now i am correct when before i was not
Though you still got it wrong that i was saying the reason of being didn't apply, i said it does apply, but that we can't know how it does apply. In view of everything, the universe still isn't high enough of a concept where it is exempt from a reason of being as a principle

https://x.com/i/status/2043748032554913874
Me thinking about and analyzing arguments had on 4chan to see where i fumble and where i cook

https://x.com/i/status/2043368401012138045
Inis killed her

>>111078001
Classic inis

https://youtube.com/shorts/fCLGCGyyYcE
Thoughts?

When was the last discord watchalong?

>>111079760
I think it was Nightmare Of Elm Street. Last day of the Slasherthon before the F13 marashon back in January.

>>111080273
*on

>>111080273
>>111080325
Damn

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>>111080476
Actually it was on February 12th. The Slasherthon started in January but ended on Valentine's day. Seems like awhile ago but she didn't really stream much from post-Valentine's day to April Fools Day due to the merch break.

>>111080729
cute butt

>>111080729
i want to bite her butt and give her a back massage

>>111075630
You have not been consistent at all.
I don't know why you're so insistent on trying to justify your faith with a broken understanding of science/rationality when faith exists outside of those things. Ever since the Good Friday stream I've been feeling my agnostic stance weaken and have become open to the idea that Jesus was more than just a really chill guy, more than I have since childhood. So seeing the way you're floundering is bloody distressing.

>>111077220
Nevermind you course corrected I am glad that you were able to reach a satisfying synthesis through this discourse c:

>>111087168
why do you pretend to be multiple people?

>>111077220
>>111077220
You’re defeating your own position. You’re saying that beyond a certain level, human logic no longer applies and things become unknowable, but then you immediately go on to make structured claims about that very domain: that it has an order, and that it is subordinate to the "Logos", identified with Jesus Christ. That’s inconsistent. If something is truly beyond logic and conception, then you don’t get to meaningfully assert properties about it at all.

You dismiss human logic as limited when it creates problems for your argument, but still rely on it to build and justify your metaphysical claims. You can’t have it both ways. Either logic is reliable enough to ground your claims, in which case your hierarchy has to be logically coherent, or it isn’t, in which case your claims about what lies beyond it don’t carry any weight.

And there’s a deeper issue here: the structure you’re describing, an ultimate, ineffable source that grounds everything, yet conveniently aligns with your prior theological commitments, looks less like a discovery about reality and more like a projection of your own mind. When the only way to access or describe this “beyond” is through your own conceptual framework, and it ends up mirroring your existing beliefs, it shows that what you’re calling “God” is not something that exists objectively, but rather your own conceptual scheme arrogantly elevated to a supposed metaphysical absolute.

>>111089049
is she dancing to the rickroll?

https://x.com/i/status/2043845262733439005
@shoggas would you use this
https://x.com/i/status/2043934087816057112
https://x.com/i/status/2043752674852536371
Thoughts?

>>111088352
The Logos (order) still applies within the Holy Trinity because all divine persons are co-eternal; if we were to say that the Holy Trinity is illogical then we would be also saying that there was a time when the Logos was not, which would make the Logos cease to be without time, and just a created thing
Plus, it's a revealed information
I've had to give up many ideas for orthodox theology, it's not that it agrees with my preconceived ideas or whatever. At the start of my journey, many of my positions would be considered heretical even!

>>111089285
> The Logos (order) still applies within the Holy Trinity because all divine persons are co-eternal; if we were to say that the Holy Trinity is illogical then we would be also saying that there was a time when the Logos was not, which would make the Logos cease to be without time, and just a created thing.
You aren't getting anywhere unless you first establish that any of these things you're talking about actually exist. You’re building a very elaborate structure involving the Logos and the Holy Trinity, but you haven’t provided any reason to think that this framework corresponds to reality.

> Plus, it's a revealed information
There’s no evidence that information has ever been "revealed" in the way you’re describing. Texts like the Bible reflect the historical and cultural context of the people who wrote them, and they don’t contain verifiable knowledge that exceeds what those authors could have reasonably known. “Revelation” is just yet another unsubstantiated claim in your pile of unsubstantiated claims.

> I've had to give up many ideas for orthodox theology, it's not that it agrees with my preconceived ideas or whatever. At the start of my journey, many of my positions would be considered heretical even!
That’s beside the point. The fact that your views have changed over time doesn’t show that your current beliefs reflect something that objectively exists. What matters is whether your current concept of God is grounded in something external to your thinking or the thinking of the church that has indoctrinated you. And so far, it isn’t. The structure you’re defending is still derived from your conceptual framework, not discovered independently of it, so it remains a projection of your current beliefs, not an actual metaphysical reality.

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>>111089492
What is your metaphysical system?
And why should i believe your judgment that there's no evidence to back up what i say, when i keep telling you there is and when you keep waving it away?

What is about schizos and talking about God?

>>111090251
schizophrenia leads you to believe in gods, sometimes you end up believing you're a god yourself

https://youtube.com/shorts/qJd5mz0jfAA
@shondo
https://x.com/i/status/2043815492175982730
Funny cat

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I love her!

>>111090862
I love her the most

I enjoy theological debates, but the threads were better when people actually talked about streams
Nowadays, no one even replies when you try to talk about the stream, except with antiposting

>>111091731
what streams

>>111091731
People talk about her streams in other places, this is a containment thread

>>111093705
What other places? /lig/? Futa obsessed freaks, and dangerous stuff gets posted too often there as of late (don't click on any weird looking links). /uoh/? Actual goonerbrain pedophiles, both the streamers and the viewers, along with weird schizos. The british vtubers general? I couldn't care less for other vtubers

The discord? Isn't conversation about streams and stuff only for p2w now?
https://x.com/i/status/2043867927049294079

Anyth8ng new 8n the cord?

>>111094095
death is the only way, way out of life

>>111091313
I love her more

>>111095924
no

>>111090115
> What is your metaphysical system?
Unlike you, I’m not committed to a metaphysical system. The fact that you believe you must do so is the root of your problems. You’re treating it as if you must start with a comprehensive ontology and interpret everything through it; that’s exactly the approach that leads you to believe the nonsense you believe.

The approach I’m provisionally taking is minimalist: adopt only the smallest set of assumptions necessary to make sense of observation and to build predictive models. This includes:
- starting from the most solid metaphysical proposition of all: there is an internal reality, my own mind exists.
- provisional: there is some external reality.
- provisional: that observations reflect regularities in external reality, allowing for the construction of mental models of it.

Even something like scientific realism, the idea that our models correspond to reality, is already an additional philosophical commitment that is unsubstantiated. A more parsimonious stance is instrumentalist: treat models as tools for prediction and explanation, without assuming they are literally true descriptions of underlying reality.

>And why should i believe your judgment that there's no evidence to back up what i say, when i keep telling you there is and when you keep waving it away?
Because what you haven't presented is not evidence. It's either empty claims or phenomena that can be explained without invoking a god, let alone the Orthodox Christian God.

Nothing you’ve presented functions as evidence. It doesn't rule out alternatives or provide independent confirmation. Without these qualities, there’s no reason to treat your claims as true.

>>111101198
thanks

>that feelerino when the one shogga you respected doesn't even acknowledge your existence anymore.
thirf. . .I'm sorry I couldn't resist falling in love with her like you. . .please forgive me. . .

>>111104615
Little bit gay t b h

>>111106158
>pound one miner

>>111106234
thats a hash u retard

imagine if she gave her voice in hentai animation of herself. would be peak

>>111106296
No

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExikXw4RDto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkeIDGBcZRk

>>111106296
she almost did that once but then rejected the role because she wasn't comfortable voicing sex scenes.

>>111106234
the amount of mental gymnastics required to turn a joke about her finally getting out of the merch mines into being some sort of dogwhistle for pedos is honestly impressive. imagine if that effort was put into writing actual fictional stories and not making shit up to justify being absolutely mind raped over an anime avatar when you could just simply do anything else with your time. it's very telling about the fags that say and believe this shit
>>111107537
that was saya. nothing related to an animation of herself, retard

>>111106234
You fucking inbred moron lmao

>>111110147
>>111110321
Triggered over a joke that Shondo herself made

>>111110573
says number one minor not pound one minor lol

>>111110271
>spooky skeleton collar bone
crunch

>>111110573
triggered over something that you completely made up in your head

anyone have images of shondo from her irl/flesh stream?

>>111111865
Just go to Youtube and look at the vods you retard

>>111111885
I dont remember the date.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtdnhHqL1pU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtdnhHqL1pU

https://x.com/i/status/2044446951085953401
Wisdom
https://youtube.com/shorts/XBsVZYnQxAM
Shondo is the first one

>>111110271
my son

>>111112423
> https://x.com/i/status/2044446951085953401
That passage is a good example of how a religion hurts people, especially the ones who believe in them. It leads people to misinterpret psychological experiences in a way that makes them harder to deal with effectively.

The author is describing intrusive or distressing thoughts and then falsely attributing them to an external agent (“the devil”). This encourages people to distrust their own minds categorically, instead of learning how to evaluate thoughts, some of which are reliable, some of which are distorted.

It also risks pathologizing normal mental processes. Everyone has unwanted or irrational thoughts at times; that doesn’t mean they come from an external force, nor that trusting your mind leads to mental illness. In fact, many psychological approaches focus on the opposite: recognizing thoughts, examining them, and developing tools to respond to them more effectively.

This interpretation steers people away from understanding the actual psychological mechanisms at play, and therefore away from methods that could genuinely help them.

>>111112527
Well ideally people would have a spiritual father to guide them through any uncertainties

>>111112655
The "spiritual fathers" are among the least qualified people to address these topics. They approach mental health through a religious lens, attributing conditions to demonic influence, misidentifying the problem and steering people away from evidence-based care. This is not just unhelpful; it is actively harmful.

https://files.catbox.moe/z415ff.png i want to kiss this cunny and butthole

>>111112712
Religious experience is also evidence, it's just a different system from the scientifically recognized one

https://youtube.com/shorts/4wtbqgOIWtY
British humor

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https://x.com/Breaking911/status/2044424405334241637

the shonbees have appeared in israel

>>111112850
Badly executed joke. The line "what use there is there for a certificate of insurance if I don't have a driving license?" contradicts the punchline; you still need the certificate if the car is in a public road, even if you don't drive your car.

>>111112935
oh god I hope this is not biowarfare and these bees don't transmit an engineered infection.

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>>111112935
The unbecoming shall be punished by the shonbees

https://x.com/i/status/2044561745772220453
Lol

>>111104832
it's not gay at all fuck you

>>111117447
stop with the hatrery, boys should kiss boys, and girls should kiss girls.

https://x.com/i/status/2044361172514963744
Thoughts? Kind of a scary game, made me flinch

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>>111117717

>>111117825
Damn, you're good

Why did nobody educate Shonders on Lil B when she said she had no idea what 'based' means?

https://x.com/i/status/2044567563347132426

>>111119402
gnosticism is the one that makes the most sense of all of them
the snake in the story of adam and eve was the good guy, and the "father" is just a narcissistic asshole

>>111120043
ah, and marcionism is also retarded because Paul was a manipulative asshole

>>111120825
this is not canon

>>111120952
much better

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>>111120825
>>111120952
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33dyccr8a6k

>>111117717
>>111117825
129 for me, it jumpscared me

https://madnessway.itch.io/corpse-party-bloodcovered-visual-novel
Would shondo play this?

>>111121452
hopefully she would play it on stream

what would happen if you locked Shondo and Haachama in a room together?

>>111122935
who

>>111122935
they would eat the bugs together

>>111122935
racism would ensue

>>111124790
based?

Is she streaming Pregmata?

>>111090251
Are you new to this general?

>>111125886
ESL?

did she just deleted her tweet?

>>111127710
yeah it had her vagina in it

pregnanta tomorrow ToT

>>111127710
somebody post it please

>>111129000
it's the stream announcement one from earlier you dunce

I found an old Shondo original song
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ElYUWnvKFfA

https://x.com/pachipoi/status/2044854043927859463

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>>111125950
yes her fever went down considerably so she's playing it for Friday and Saturday but her voice will be a bit scrungly so bee nise.

>>111136480
yummers

>>111136480
lotta cheese
typa pizza you eat after lent

https://twitch.tv/girutea
Giru drawing shondo

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bee

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cutie

Who draws or gets someone to draw friends kissing and then shows them the drawing
Isn't that actually kind of weird? I guess it's ok because they women and or vtubers???

https://x.com/i/status/2044803594927694073
Shondo's subathons:

Anything new in the discord?

https://x.com/i/status/2044991703405498396
Thoughts?

>>111150989
Shumo did a sick backflip

did shondo watch the original blade runner or only the newer one