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*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://vtubertracker.info/en
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking
>https://vstats.jp/
Hololive sites
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://holo-spotify-stats.jirikunes.eu/
>https://holo-tracker.vercel.app/
>https://www.holostats.com/
Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/
>https://streamscharts.com/
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GOOD MORNING, /#/!
>Naplings once again proven as the strongest fanbase
Another day, another show of why Nimi is so successful!To be fair, Biboo without gifted is 897 and Nimi without gifted is 856, so this is not like when Kronii got brutally BTFO twice in a row yesterday. But everyone else in this pic? Not only mogged by Nimi, but also mogged NATTY at that.
Remember, lads, this is a metric that is bot-proof.
Nimi's power is undeniable. NAPLINGS TSUYOI!!!
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>holostars get downsized
>quality of life for holomems instantly improve
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PLAP CENTRAL
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>NAKADASHI
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Now for the part where we wait for the usually baited retards to wake up and then the thread can truly go to shit
Enjoy the last few minutes in peace
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>>111148482
UOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHH PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP ToT
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>>111148523
gigi didn't do a JP voice in that one I checked
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she just said she doesn't know why the EN are shorter
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>>111148576
I wonder why
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>>111148579
https://shop.hololivepro.com/en/products/hololive_4types_extremelovevo ice?_pos=14&_fid=0ed411429&_ss=c
it was yandere
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kek
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>>111148705
It's okay anon, i'll fuck your daughter
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>>111148704
A-a-a-alternate metrics. Oy vey!
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>nimi slips podium
>another 12 hours of unique members copeposting
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https://files.catbox.moe/ci6kn1.mp3
>FRIENDLY REMINDER!!
we love Mori here
we love Kiara here
we love Dooby here
we love Ina here
we love Saba here
we love Namie here
we love Nimi here
we love IRyS here
we love Shachi here
we love Bae here
we love Kronii here
we love Fuwawa here
we love Mococo here
we love Nerissa here
we love Biboo here
we love Shiori here
we love ERB here
we love Cecilia here
we love Raora here
we love Gigi here
we love Randon OUR HUSBAND here
we hate Kiaraschizo/Egguardo/Baeschizo here
we hate Selenfag/Ennacuck/Donie Darko here
we hate homobegging nijishitters here
we hate all schizos here
>Umm, achuwee, we hate-
We hate YOU, you falseflagging cocksucking son of a dead drunken fat whore
>We
Yes we, You can kill yourself and go to hell
We all would be happy if you killed yourself and died right now, nobody would fucking miss you, especially not your whore mother who takes dicks inside and out 24/7
We won't fucking miss you when you are gone, we will celebrate
if I could hire a hitman on you right now, I would
I wish you nothing but the worst and most painful death possible and eagerly look forward to the day you die alone and miserable
Amen
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>>111148768
Kroniicord has been alerted
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>>111148788
imma go to bed now I expect to see you still melting down when I wake up
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>>111148788
from
>THE BIGGEST EN VTUBER
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>nimi's unique member chat number (which can be exploited with gifts with ARS currency) is bigger than kronii's
What a fucking shame
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>>111148805
>sc: 0
Nimi always got SC: 0, though. I thought she was popular before TLD? Make up your mind.
>Just a quick look from this month alone
That's nice and all, but when we're talking about actual streams, Kronii got 138 gifted membeships and Nimi got 48. And Nimi still won by over 200 memberships.
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>>111148814
king engine went mainstream they gotta start botting again
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>buff game
>that title
>this graph
Realistically, how do we save her? I was thinking, new Elden Ring playthrough but she uses a mod that makes Malenia show up every once in a while like Shaka in Nijisanji streams.
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>>111148814
any nijiEN over 2k for a normal stream is botted, can't say I'm surprised that they started to employ bots again halfway through the month(engine "died" for nijiEN around mid march) so they could try to mask their insane drop in watch hours that will get posted at the end of the month
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>>111148814
>starts getting botted again
>suddenly doubles his stream time
so fucking shameless
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>>111148832
March 5th 2025 NijiEN started botting their talents, all of them, with a gaussian curve botting that padded all of their numbers, the King Engine.
March 5th 2026, exactly a year after it, it stops. Niji's average CCV drops by 60% and watch hours drop by 70%.
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>>111148848
anything peaking within the first hours is bots
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dang, they hate miload and risotto
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>>111148704
Hey you biased faggot: >>111148615
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>>111148875
here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55M0jS2shco&t=23720s
this is from last year
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Wilson and Kaelix (who the fuck makes up these names?)
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>>111148615
KEK so Nimi still got mogged and the retard who's been trying the "unique members" cope lost once again hahaha >>111148501
>>111148905
You LOST faggot ahahaha
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Vampboy game was a success. I even saw some livers and flesh streamers with thousands of views play the game.
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>>111148912
sure, you're welcome to join here >>111148665
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how many google play points are you getting for this
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>>111148837
with no sc, it wouldn’t be strange nimi would got more gifts thus having more active members.
members gifted from last 30 days are still members, so you need to include all of those which nimi got around 1.3k while kroni only got around 700.
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>>111148922
The real reason is that he streams at bumfuck Chinese hours and the engine was already receding by then, same with "Doppio" per example.
That one time he streamed at NA prime time, he got engined. April 2025
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>>111148897
this format is pretty silly
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>>111148948
What? Kronii got 138 gifted memberships. I don't know if they were in Argentinian currency or not. That would be pure speculation on my part. Point is Nimi got 48 and Nimi beat Kronii by 200. It's simple math.
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>>111148947
i didnt realize what you were talking about then i remembered i filtered nimi anyways
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we aren't talking enough about why tomodachi biboo is like this
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>>111148971
it's a pretty awkward setup and I don't think it suits irl rp sessions, it also happened a lot when kiara was a judge for that cosplay contest the other judges and contestants would keep forgetting she exists
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grlg19-UM0M
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That naplingfaggot really thought he could pull a fast one on us by using the Biboo stream yesterday instead of the most recent stream today that MOGGED Nimi, eh?
Goddamn, so desperate for a "Nimi win" lmao
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>>111149025
Shut up faggot yuri is king here
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>>111149100
>Nimi antis fantasizing about a future where Nimi lost
Guess that's not our present yet
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>>111149094
...she said a few weeks ago that she now had the most members in her career including Mythmania times
You don't actually think Le Unique Members represents anything other than chat stats (which are already too flimsy to signal anything), right?
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>>111149099
>Biboo wants to eliminate any indie competition to Hololive
ABSOLUTELY BASED then if that's the case
Glory to Hololive.
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>>holostars get downsized
>>quality of life for holomems instantly improve
Post this in r/kurosanji trust me the seethe is going to be immaculate
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>future
she's been losing in the present for months that's why you're coping
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you europeans are so fucking whiny, i don't understand why you just don't get a based easy six figgy wfh developer job like I did out of college. what the fuck are you ,retarded?
i invested my salary from my wfh job and now have so muc hfucking money because of the s&p500 and it was all so easy. it's fucking idiotic.. just do that in 2013 instead of whatever you did
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You know Napcuck, instead of trying to force the Unique chat members cope in which Nimi CAN be defeated as shown by >>111148615 you should pick the ONE metric where Hololive legitimately Failed to defeat Nimi in:
Charity.
Reminder that Nimi's charity stream where the Naplings donated more than $300k still remains unchallenged to this day. Hololive did like 2(?) Charity streams and they never came close to that.
You should use that instead, NapCuck.
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>future
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it's the same fucking game lmfao
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>>111149164
You can still get a membership even if you don't chat or aren't watching the stream they're given out in, you just aren't prioritized. If enough current chatters already have memberships or are brand accounts, then it can move down to you
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>>111149120
From next week up until like JUNE, Ceci and Gigi will be together in Japan again.
Then, they will be together in California for Serendipity. Slowly accostuming to a life together. And there is nothing you can do but cry
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https://www.reddit.com/user/x/comments/1sb9wen/
Stars Collapse
>On Friday, I was expecting some news late afternoon, JP time. I did get some news, not the one I was expecting, but caliber was certainly the same.
>Holostars has been a pain in the ass for Cover for some time… and… well.
>I was going to wait until the 6th, even though I said I was going to post something... uh, there was a lot of stuff and it's not something to be pitied about. Don't worry.
>But just... I don't know. People have expectations of Cover and there is lore and so much more and all the events of previous two years... at some point, you have to change your mind.
>People think this is why you shouldn't go public or something, but... that's just not how business works, especially what Cover is trying to do. ANYCOLOR was mean in the beginning, so that they could find themselves in better footing and become nicer.
>Let’s think about the KR/ID merger. Yes, ID lost a lot of support, but they did get some merch and of course, things were generally better for KR in general. Like, there was at least a gesture of help from ANYCOLOR after the merger. This, however…
>The point I'm making is that Holostars right now have a mindshare that was much greater than KR/ID at the time of the merger, and yet they are given the same (or maybe worse) treatment. I'm not sure if NijiEN currently has a larger mindshare than Holostars JP... Even though detractor say otherwise, the gradient of care in Nijisanji is lot better than the popularity gradient there, and the opposite is true for HoloPro.
>Year of Graduation feels like a whiff considering the substantial fandom they just lost.
>Why didn’t you just drop them? Let them go! Let them find themselves in better pastures. Honestly, a lot of fans would prefer if the talent left and went somewhere else… This is just holding people hostage. Letting them quit, so the company doesn’t get blamed.
>This is an incredibly cowardly move from Cover, plain and simple. It’s them admitting they fucked up and yet not owning up to their failures.
>You know what? I think there is a solution. A great solution, in fact. Let StellarNotes produce Holostars. Suisei already has good relations with many of the Stars members. She specifically shared concerns and gave advice to the Uproar people a year ago.
>If I wasn't being clear - I trust Suisei so much more than Yagoo. One Hundred Percent. I freaking trust Pekora more than Yagoo. I definitely trust Miko more than Yagoo.
>Just... the lies. The mantra of these people. They are celebrating this news. They think this is the correct decision. Whether it's intentional or not, Cover is drawn to these people. They are slowly acquiescing themselves to these people, which would only shrink the pool.
>Things are going to end up badly if they waffle like this.
Oh, I forgot that apparently only JP side is affected is a strong hint that EN is what is carrying the company right now. I pussyfooted with 30 ~ 40% but now I think I would say majority of revenue is EN.
>This response felt entirely appropriate given the circumstance. Uzuki Kou nails the situation and gives the best advice I know, so I'll go ahead make my own spin, if you prefer your answers in text form (I do).
>Basically for most of RL streaming, men are the dominant gender - VTubers are the exception in which women became the dominant gender, and therefore men are really competing with much more-watched 3D streamers compared to simply other VTubers. The early days of novelty has certainly ceased and the VTuber world are shifting in ways that are leading to an uncertain future.
>I guess, going to my own advice, look at the differences of growth between the '25 debuts. Elites grew pretty fast, while Splare grew very slowly, which flies in the face of common knowledge, but one fact remains true.
>For men, collab early and often - for women collab late and rare. Male VTubers tend to shine in the interaction with other people, when they are bouncing off of an established character - whether it would be male or female. Splare only recently got a boost in audience because they started participating in tournaments and started interacting with various known personalities. This is actually opposite from general streaming, actually.
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skill issue, if people want to reach me they need to send me a teams message in triplicate and give me 24 hours to respond. but they dare not because I'm a Wizard and horrifying to behold, i know the secrets and am not to be trifled with by the mere mortals
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>I'm just... going to link this video. I probably shouldn't, but... it came to me, and I had a lot more to say about, like, this is like Selen level of bad PR, you know? Like, look at all the Holostars going all rampage, and that's just not gonna stop. Hololive have crafted this image of generosity and they just have been smashing that down for the past two years. I thought they would stop. I thought things would turn around but then Cover drops another bombshell. Why would they do this?
>I think about Ookami Mio. She was a mid-tier talent before 2024 - she had fans but she was much more of a niche member, but in the run-up to her concert, Hololive promoted Mio quite a bit and now she is more prominent of the talents. In here, Cover proved that they could raise talent up the fame ladder, then why do so many people leave? Why would they falter when they had success before? Who knows?
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>4 buff streams
3 of those are the exact same game and she still lost
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I'm not. You're just coping by using a retarded metric, and seems like she's already losing with that in the present too >>111149185
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Okay but in this case you're just scraping data off chat which is nowhere near an indicator of the total amount of memberships a talent has.
Unless you're trying to argue
>On THIS specific day, X had more members in chat than Y
Which is just an useless statistic. You could just go to her last member stream go to Console and see how many people are actually interested in her content, which is not too much.
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>>111149203
>this is like Selen level of bad PR, you know?
>company still not collapsed 2 weeks later
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>Why didn’t you just drop them? Let them go!
Yes, Cover should absolutely do that.
>I think there is a solution. A great solution, in fact. Let StellarNotes produce Holostars
These people are beyond delusional
>I trust Suisei so much more than Yagoo.
How much of a fucking newfag you must be to blame fucking Yagoo out of all people?
>I freaking trust Pekora more than Yagoo. I definitely trust Miko more than Yagoo
roru. rumao even. If there's one thing these two agree on is that the homos shouldn't fucking exist.
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>>111149221
>bait
Love ain't no bait, that's why it's love, pure as fresh snow
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is funny how hard you've been ignoring this >>111149185
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Even as a "mid-tier" Mio was far more profitable than any homoshitter currently is, and unlike homoshitters she actually managed to incline with a bit of help instead of stagnating with 7 years of outsized shilling and free gibsmedats from Cover that the homos got.
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>naptard is still peddling his meme metric
Reminder that Shiori is the most popular vtuber ever if we use his meme metric when mercury is in retrograde or some shit
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>Let StellarNotes produce Holostars. Suisei already has good relations with many of the Stars members. She specifically shared concerns and gave advice to the Uproar people a year ago.
TLDR just more fucking begging.
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>this is like Selen level of bad PR, you know?
I love this guy. he really thinks anyone gives a fuck about holostars and this is somehow an apocalyptic yab (or more like he wishes it was)
here's the truth: Cover could have literally staged a public execution by firing squad of holostars and none of my hololive fan friends would have even noticed. kek
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>>111149300
I'm using Shiori because it triggers naptards.
Also I'm just demonstrating that this metric means absolutely jackshit because it varies wildly between streams. Nimi should have more than ENs because she has SCs disabled, but she loses to ENs anyways.
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One had more members IN CHAT. Not watching because if we go by members watching Nimi would lose even to HoloID by the sole fact Holo's channels are older and obviously have more members.
And that's the entire gist of it. Grabbing a metric is cute and all but the moment you pick apart what's the end goal you very quickly realize there is a reason we only study CCV and MAYBE sub growth, and Nimi is a disaster on both.1
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>>111149333
>I'm using Shiori because it triggers naptards.
You think this, but you're the one who hates Shiori. No one that isn't deranged has any reason to dislike Shiori. You're projecting your hatred onto an innocent and cute girl onto another fanbase. This is why you fail.
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The reason they always try to shoehorn selen into any discourse is because they're nijiniggers(can take the niji out of them but not the nigger). They're desperate for this to be Cover's selenshock but it's not going to be. If anything this is a renaissance for Hololive.
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i'll give you a hint: the faggot posting nimi's alternative metric is not a napkek, but a shitposter trying to start another nimi timeloop to shit up and derail this thread.
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>>111149304
>Cover could have literally staged a public execution by firing squad of holostars and none of my hololive fan friends would have even noticed
is tru, I only noticed THD news after my friend told me about it
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>>111149344
this is some insane levels of projection and this out you as an OKBH cuckie
>>111149361
biboo had more members
therefore nimi shitmare lost
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>>111149367
I have lots of friends I've met over the years at hololive events, and I chat to a good half dozen of them weekly.
NONE of them messaged me about this holostars situation. none. and we do share tweets about news and announcements and such all the time. everyone just ignored it. not relevant, not our problem
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>>111149361
Isn't this fag just the cuck who used to cope that nimi was beating SOME members in CCV a few months ago lol
The retarded SEAnigger from plebbit who started showing up again when nimi showed up in mumei's chat
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>>111149372
>this is some insane levels of projection
Brother, you are literally the one that admitted that you think Shiori sucks. The cute girl that has always been nothing but kind and funny is... le bad! No one thinks this but you retards. And you thought I'd agree? You're truly deranged.
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>>111149349
Cover could announce the dissolution of both homo branches right fucking now and literally no one would give a fuck other than their extremely diminished core audience and dramaniggers. The empathetic kind would just move on with their lives after a few days of thoughts and prayers and everyone else who couldn't give a rats ass about them would do absolutely nothing beyond continue to watch their oshis like they did during these past 7 years while the homos couldn't even get the entire branch to be consistent low 4views.
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>>111149354
just ignore the baits anon
nothing they say or do will stop the death of holostars
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No, you're making shit up and you should take your meds.
Are you the retard that thought "muh" was some unique quirk of mine and not 4chan lingo for decades?
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yep yep
>>111149419
lol it's literally you lmfao
fucking retard
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>>111149398
Yes and he's here: >>111149419 >>111149435
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>>111149435
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>111149429
I hope to god you're samefagging now and that there aren't actually multiple schizos here that 1) Remember some random literal who from a year ago 2) Have connected me with him because we both say "muh". Jesus Christ.
But you fags hate Shiori, so I shouldn't even be surprised.
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>>111149468
>Remember some random literal who from a year ago
how would you know the date like that
>"muh"
that's your strawman cucktard
the telling part was this >>111149461
actual pathetic subhuman plebbit nigger
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>>111149463
Pekora will progressively increase the grade of the Unicorn she's building after every THD announcement. Next one she'll build the RG, then the MG and when Cover finally ends the homos existence she'll do a whole series building the PG.
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>>111149442
https://x.com/Corrupted_Pixel/status/2041555534625575008
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>that's your strawman cucktard
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>>111149485
You seethe at me non stop but i don't hate shiori and i've given plenty of shit to antis that would go after the girls instead of shitting on Homos, you're such a massive nigger i could hang you over my house in summer to block out the sun.
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>>111149488
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>>111149406
to be fair, they're really good at it. Haachama's revival got immediately buried once they started the nimi seethe that lasted for like 3 threads. that's HOW you slide threads!
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>>111149203
delusional
a week after the homos get canned and the girls managers finally have a subordinate
the homos were LITERALLY holding the girls back and causing them to overwork themselves to the breaking point
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>>111149494
>you're such a massive nigger i could hang you over my house in summer to block out the sun.
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>>111149303
This is what they don't get. The grimmest point in hololive (barring when it was just Sora & RBC), was still less grim than the homos' entire existence. Pretty much only Miko suffered in shitter Hell for any significant length of time while her coworkers flourished,. but the difference is that she didn't toil in obscurity nearly as long as the homos. Even other holos who considered quitting and were down in the dumps were never as low as the homos
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https://x.com/Yamabroo_/status/2045040588542578918
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>>111149566
UOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEGGGGGGGGGGGGGG SSSSS ToT
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>>111149581
You should rung back to OKBH cuckie this is sad and pathetic. You got made fun of and you can't live with it.
>I'm not your boogeyman
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>>111149606
erm
who do you think you're fooling?
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>>111149606
>It's a shame it has to be this way,
I agree it's a shame we have to deal with plebbit cucks ITT because they decide to make their total impotent faggotry our problems for some reason.
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>>111149558
Even AZKi back when she was under INNK was still doing better than current Roberu who's the best performing homo by a huge margin. Cover gave all the support they realistically could give to the homos and even a little more for nearly 7 years and the retards could only produce one mid-performer and a bunch of abject failures that are only beating smaller corpos. The only thing Cover never did was actual forceful integration of them within hololive like shoving them during holofes, forcing the girls to invite them during agency-wide tournaments or other shit like that for a very good reason and we all know this is the kind of support the beggars truly wanted, but alas, it's the one thing they'll never get.
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A funny thing I remember was everyone expecting Fauna to be amazing at that Pokémon MOBA because how she plays DOTA 2 and then Mori who is lagging all to hell with her stream freezing up manages to outperform her in the last game
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>>111149648
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Too many Twitch fags in Europe
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>NijiEN
LE RETARD DE VOX AKUMA
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>>111149660
So you made me a boogeyman out of a reddit that has 100 people in it? Good lord, man.
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>>111149701
You're shitting up this place over your perceive grievances about Shiori, you're literally just a cuck that hates on evil unicorns and that's the entire reason you're even here. Mindbroken and buckbroken by a dead thread. Sad SEAnigger.
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>>111149681
https://warosu.org/vt/thread/53365210
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>>111149637
They never risked those other things because they shoved them into countdown (viewer growth died when the homos were on screen and despite being seen by 200k people live the homos got no growth) and they shoved them into HLZNTL (absolute disaster with no upside). Whilst not as front and center as the beggars want, they also forced them together with the expo key visual and ended up with the jigsaw puzzles which the unicorns performed financial terrorism on.
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>>111149730
Those were pretty awful and had the expected pushback but they weren't as catastrophic as potentially having the homos on holoFes or forcing the girls to include them on their self-organized events. The sanctity of those two things was something Cover never attempted to change because they knew things would be much uglier which is why they kept doing smaller changes to test the waters and time and time again hololive fans showed them that they were not remotely interested in the homos.
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>>111149798
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf4WWLd9swI
check out the comments of the hololive 6th anni disaster
it takes a lot for JP holofans to publicly voice their displeasure like this
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>>111149798
Yeah, that's basically what I'm getting at. They dipped their toes into boiling water and decided they were better off not jumping into it. Why they needed to dip their toes into boiling water as many times as they did is a mystery, but Cover did work it out in the end.
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>>111149203
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>>111149843
>it takes a lot for JP holofans to publicly voice their displeasure like this
As a unityfag this is fucking true. Those retards rarely show any kind of displeasure with cover because how corpo friendly the JP fanbase is but this thing somehow set them off. No wonder A-chan fucked off afterwards
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>>111149862
SOMEBODY SAAAAAAAAVE MEEEEEEEE!
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>>111149843
It's kind of funny because before these 4 debuted Tempus was actually doing okay and wasn't completely hated by holofans. It's only after they debuted more homos instead of EN3 that the sentiment grew extremely negative and then after tweedledee and tweedledum left there was basically no more even slight interest amongst holofans since those 2 were the only ones to have even a modicum of popularity with holofans
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>>111149843
Oh, I know and the El Silencio one was even worse, but imagine if in the previous years Cover just shoved the homos on holoFes? Or if they forced Miko to include the homos on holoGTA? The 6th anniversary bullshit would look tame in comparison.
>>111149854
I think in part was because some higher ups refused to accept that they couldn't get a single male vtuber to be on the same level of the nijisanji mid-carders. They tried everything they could have done and Roberu is still barely above the 4view line.
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>>111149883
>Or if they forced Miko to include the homos on holoGTA?
It would've been an absolute shitstorm if that happened, especially if management did it as some sort of last-minute addition which catches multiple CGDCT girls by surprise
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>>111149883
>some higher ups
You can just say Yagoo, or more accurate Yagoo + whoever he hired specifically to advocate for them. There's no way the homos would get as much leniency as they did if it weren't for the CEO acting more like their friend than their boss
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>>111149879
>It's kind of funny because before these 4 debuted Tempus was actually doing okay and wasn't completely hated by holofans
That’s because “Hololive Productions”, up until 2021, was more an oddity than a deliberate vehicle for the “nijification” of Hololive.
The attempt to make the homos part of “Hololive” started in 2022 and this tweet
>pic related
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>>111149891
Not really. Last time anon posted the 30 days chart (last month) they were at their all time low and trailing NijiEN by a lot and they’re not ahead of NijiEN since 2023 and only were for a brief period
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Who else was missing the gacha shilling streams already? Because Gigi is back to feed us! GIIIIIII MURIN!!!
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>>111149897
Well, yeah, but it's definitely more people than just Yagoo.
>>111149900
The El Silencio one had 4k comments. Yeah, I agree that making the generally quieter JP audience to speak up was huge but the EN one also had a battleground on the comment section of equal proportions and to this day we see retards holding a grudge against FWMC because of it.
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>>111149928
trying to get grems to be upset at gigi after literally 8 hours of member's stream including her best karaoke ever is so funny.
we like that she makes money, that's why we're not homo fans, we want her to succeed
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>>111149933
>it's definitely more people than just Yagoo
It definitely is, but I genuinely don't think anyone hired on merit is pushing for them. Even taking away my personal opinions on them, it is such an objectively bad decision with regards to what makes hololive successful that the only conclusion I can come to is that the people in upper management who promote them are borderline nepo hires by Yagoo. From a purely business directive, they're simply a detriment to the brand and thus the company.
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>>111149928
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>>111149958
Probably people who have been with the company since the beginning when Cover pretty much copied everything Anycolor did with Nijisanji. They saw guys like Kuzuha and Kanae being "successful" and thought they could have their cake and eat it too. It sucks how it took nearly 7 years for them to finally accept that this strategy would never work but at least it's finally fucking over and we're just watching the credits.
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>>111149991
>graduate
yeah
https://x.com/ANYCOLOR_Inc/status/2044687601387626989
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>>111150028
cover should've had guys doing analysis on vtuber numbers and graphs
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Remember when gremcucks claimed that Gigi will never collab with males?
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>>111150085
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>especially if management did it as some sort of last-minute addition which catches multiple CGDCT girls by surprise
just imagineFuwamoco having to go heal AND interact with Jutard or Flaysaar in the server
oh, what horror.
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>>111150085
>shills uproar to high heavens
>total failure
>drops ID3 unceremoniously out of nowhere
>most successful ID gen
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>>111150092
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>>111150100
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>>111150092
honestly pathetic
im pretty sure the no overlap rule got removed immediately after so uproar was the only one who got this red carpet treatment
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>>111150117
In hindsight, I wish we'd also grabbed a screenshot of how some holofans also funneled to other vtubers. Those debut overlap bans were worse for Cover than the graphs we have here show.
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>>111150048
Pekora, Biboo and IRyS are about to kickstart the Hololive Pragmata arc
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>>111150134
It was ~6 months later, but it's obvious that this incident is what caused the rules removal. Implemented right before their debuts, and removed before any other debuts happened, so quite literally only that single gen of homos "benefitted" from it
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>>111150048
the game is pretty good
it wont get any awards cause twitterfags probably hate it kek
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>>111150147
>In hindsight
Vrabi logs all of this, you can go check. And both VSPO & Nijisanji saw a bigger increase in viewership during that hour than the homos had relative to the prior homo debuts, that's how dire it was
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The page is still on vrabi but there was no such funnel in any significant extent. For the most part Hololive content attracted such a huge audience exactly because there is nobody offering said content across the industry
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>>111150134
You misremember and now I'm remembering how fucking pissed off I was with that
The rule was no overlapping 3D DEBUTS.
Before Advent, Cover had a funny habit of debuting EN and ID 3D at Fes, so technically Myth, Promise, ID1-2 don't have 3D debuts, they have 3D showcases. And wow would you look at that, 3D showcases aren't DEBUTS
So when Myth had their 3D showcases a few months after Uproar with the ban still in place, overlap was allowed
By the time anyone in EN/ID would have a true 3D debut, the rule was removed.
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>>111150181
The rule was only ever relegated to the specific branch before that change, and was for debuts & 3d debuts. The modified rule which existed for ~6 months was no overlapping debuts of any types, regardless of the branch.
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>>111150181
Don't forget how both tempiss gens or whatever they call it had an AGENCY WIDE NO-OVERLAP BAN. Noel had to wait until the second round of fuckers to end before she could play Dark Souls.
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>>111150200
No. Its from Capcom
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>>111150228
The ban back then was only branch-wide.
Did a spot check and there was no branch overlap.
https://vrabi.net/progress/2023-02-26/12 (Mori)
https://vrabi.net/progress/2023-02-25/12 (Kiara)
https://vrabi.net/progress/2023-10-01/12 (Bae)
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>>111150389
>so bots died for a short amount of time but hololive didn't lose any viewers? that means hololive is natty
Anon just go through this comment section
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>>111150437
The nijibaba system is divided into 3 classes
1. Believes niji is botted and its done to promote
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kek so much for the homo resisdtance.
that's the fucking problem sisters. Listen to me right now. you have to watch these fuckign dudes. and not today. not tomorrow. not for 2 weeks. not for 2 months. BUT FOR YEARS. YOU RETARDS. EVERY DAY FOR FUCKING YYEARS
DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG I'VE WATCHED MY OSHI
EVERY DAY SINCE SHE DEBUTED MOTHERFUCKER
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homos never tried to build a parasocial audience
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>>111150439
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>>111150537
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>where did all those people who said "now everyone will know how interesting holostars is" go?
>are they alive?
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>>111150584
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>>111150601
doesn't matter if you tell them or not.
that's why the meme is
>unicorns win by doing nothing
because NOTHING can change this situation. tell them to watch? don't tell them to watch? make fun of them? don't make fun of them? nothing matters. they'll fail no matter what. their situation is utterly hopeless and nothing anyone can do positively or negatively can impact it. it's fascinating.
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>>111150304
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>>111150598
Didn't read all of it, but I know it won't work. They don't like each other, they can't put together an even every fiscal quarter and they're too flakey to be commiting to any sort of longer term planning. Accept the homo experiment is coming to an end.
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>>111149376
this is the uncomfortable truth
we literally have nothing else going on besides shitting on nimi and homos anymore
vshoujo is dead, nijiEN is dead, phase is dead, saba is dead
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>>111150682
make up a new tally?
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I get that whoever wrote this post is passionate about the homos and want them to do their best but >>111150663 is right, none of these things are remotely possible considering the utter lack of unity the homos have not to mention how most of them are too used to the coddled treatment they got since debut so it's near impossible for them to finally take responsibility and fucking try. Cover should just fucking shelve the project, give them a graduation run that they honestly don't deserve and move to a new chapter.
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Engaging in financial terrorism by not buying homo merch
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>>111150537
>Apparently we need to watch someone to support them
People in this thread coined "TOTAL HOMO DEATH" to what's happening to them but I don't think that's accurate, mostly because
>THEY WERE ALREADY DEAD
and this attitude of their audience is proof to that.
>>111150598
>Wow first time I've seen an actual reasonable plan on reddit that doesn't mention the girls
It is true that it doesn't mention the girls but it is a laundry list of "REAL MALE VTUBERS HAVE NEVER BEEN TRIED"
>shared calendar
Been tried, actually the EN homos started under a very strict coordination
>Consistent internal collabs
Can't possibly work because of internal divisions, some homos DETEST some of the others and their audiences likewise
>External collabs
The dumbest of all of the suggestions, specially the "set a metric goal for gauging collab success (average CCV, VOD views, revenue) and do not collab with the party again if unmet" part.
That flies in the face of ANYTHING REASONABLE ever because
1) they're fucking shitters, it is THEIR own metrics that can't meet any possible expectation however low!
From the way that retard is talking, it is like they have this stellar number and their collab partners are dragging them down!
2) I mention this often: the greatest strength from Hololive is the shared audience and the interpersonal relationship between the girls. Collabs for Hololive are not a "business transaction" or a "follow for follow" scheme, when they happen is because the girls like each other and their audiences meshes well.
"Follow for follow" collabs might work for Twitch (I suppose) but that could never possibly work for the homos if they would be doing only to acquire some audience out of it.
Everything suggested would be an improvement on how the homos do their thing today but it wouldn't possibly change their situation because of the "original sin"
>there is no significantly large audience for male vtubers
and whatever audience exists got cornered by Nijisanji "accelerate" strategy of debuting 100 of them and them, like NEXAS and their "my hero academy of vtubers", anointing six or seven of them as their chosen ones and gearing the whole rest of the company to prop them up.
Long story short: real male vtubers have been tried. Nobody wanted them. That's why they're shitters
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>>111150758
The reason the external collabs idea is dead in the water is that the homos need to be entertaining enough to convince their collab partner's audience that they should watch the homo.
The homos are not entertaining enough for this to work.
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>>111150728
1.2k viewers and this many replies in 5 minutes? something ain't right.
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People still underestimate how much Luxiem's popularity was entirely from China. And the (speculative) major reason it collapsed was simply because the "Kpop ban" was lifted so all those fans just went back to Kpop.
Even with their current viewership, which is below HoloID, they still hold the dominance over the market though. But it's really not easy to replicate tapping into a demographic. People only ever speak on this for male vtubers but honestly, is the same not true for female vtubers? How many small corps are there that never make it big? How many vtubers copy the Hololive formula and just forever sit at 2-digit CCV?
Historically, vtubing groups, corps, individuals, have always blown up due to occupying market holes and serving demographics that weren't served before. Copying successful formulas has only ever been the safe thing to do, but hardly a guarantee for success.
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>>111150846
I think this is the key, StarsEN was most successful early on when they had a lot of that "rowing the same boat" messaging, and I think the big loss in momentum for them happened when they all went ot Japan together and Vesper basically ghosted them the entire time. For me, at least, that shattered the illusion of having a hololive-style camaraderie between the boys, doubly so because Vesper was my favorite, so I kind of drifted away from watching them as a whole afterwards.
For HoloEN, the gen's first japan trips have always been kind of a celebration and huge opportunity for everyone to be together. It's something really unique for the branch, because they're naturally spread out all over the world. For Myth specifically, it was a huge emotional payoff and really solidified my fandom.
Holostars has to rebuild that camaraderie, first within branch and hopefully across both holostars branches in the future. Right now, what I see is the EN Stars' fractured responses to the JP downsizing(ruze, Shinri breaking down, Jurard and Altare resolving to get better, some of the others just keeping their heads down) and think about how they would've handled something like the storm of drama in 2020. The girls always manage to circle the wagons and unify in times of crisis, and I think the guys could look to that example and learn from it.
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>>111150811
That's one problem but "people with little entertaining value pooling their audience to take advantage of of the 'crossover effect'" used to be a staple of the industry
>pic related for one of the most infamous examples
But anon suggested that they should monitor the collabs for KPIs and cut their collab partners off if they don't bring enough numbers.
Isn't that the most absolutely fucking ironic strategy for a branch whose audience has to LITERALLY BEG for collabs while they not only don't bring enough numbers for their collab partners but TANK THEM, sometimes irremediably?
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https://reddit.com/r/kurosanji/comments/1sn5lio/realistically_what_can should_stars_en_do_to_avoid/
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>>111150870
almost 1300 viewers btw
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>>111150816
could be worse
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this is a video btw
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>>111150943
a whole fucking hour of chat without scrolling. kinda amazing in it's own right. kek
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Kek he's back to his shitty number
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2NL4EnaXj8
hoshimatic project in half an hour
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https://youtube.com/shorts/zdepVaeaHr8?si=ikWoMAJc3fLQxtLn
https://youtube.com/shorts/zdepVaeaHr8?si=ikWoMAJc3fLQxtLn
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>>111150855
Anon, it's absolutely botted. Everybody in this thread knows these "VCR-type" streamer servers are botted to hell and back
Here is an example: to the left it's Kanae stream, supposedly with 27k people watching it live
https://vrabi.net/video/gLcXRXZXr7w
To the right, Vivi's stream, with 8k people watching
https://vrabi.net/video/d_0pxhKK-Ks
At this point this is not even an "open secret" anymore, because there is no secret to it, they just do it openly
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>>111150685
Preferential treatment continues huh
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>>111150304
someone needs to write up the full story with all the evidence, how it started with Willy Wonka, his denial and panic when he made the YT poll to check bots, the average CCV shooting up on March 2025 etc.
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>>111151110
Holy newfaggola. Congratulations on being a KWABOTYC
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>>111151110
lurk a trillion more years newfag
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>>111151110
It means "Kurosanji Was Always Based"
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>>111151120
He genuinely thought he could “fake it until you make it”.
As it turns out he was faking the wrong metric because an increase in apparent live audience means nothing if you are near the bottom of your own branch in sales
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>>111151158
I fucking love you, dude. Yesterday I searched "pighoera" through the archives and I was actually in tears laughing at your posts. No idea what she could have possibly done to earn your ire, but it's crased.
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>>111151159
Exactly, she's just read/watched more random niche stuff because she is Japanese and lives in Japan so shit is just on tv for her and her corner store sells cheap manga. No shit most EN girls who lived in the west their whole lives haven't heard of the Magical Girl Peepeepoopoo-chan manga which ran between 2003 and 2006 and has a 6/10 on MAL.
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It's 2026 Faumei won harder than Amesame ever could
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>>111151174
kek (what a bottom)
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>>111151118
Now look at the count of unique members in chat. She mogged every holoen except Bijou tonight
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Nimi had bunch of miis like smeagol, Northelion agent47 etc so if you are into those types go for it
Biboo and Subaru had coincidental holo moments and overall I like those
Mori was okay ish didn't watch completely I was busy
Kiara if you wanna see her cry about AME and overall she made the most amazing looking mii's lot of effort
Fbk had her alt mickey mouse character in it bikki and bukki mouse
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HOSHIMATIC NOW NOW NOW
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>>111151286
I am just using context clues and checking that thread, but I would assume he was spreading this image around and shit talking Oboretai, so the homostar subreddit literally changed the rule so they could ban him for hurting the homos reputations in other subreddits
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>>111151320
nigga I don't give a single crap about nijiorgans streams lmao, pekhoera is just a despicable ugly fat pig whore (she's ugly she's fat and she actually went to love hotels to have sex with men, her words not men) and her fans are all schizos always starting shit and attacking Miko, look at all the shades and schizos shit they keep throwing at Miko because they're envious of Miko. I never started any this, it's always because cuckfaggy attacking Miko first
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>>111151402
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>>111150816
>1.2k viewers and this many replies in 5 minutes? something ain't right.
More on that. Here is the side by side between Aruran and Astel, same event, same time, same everything.
Aruran is supposedly at 1.2k
https://vrabi.net/video/IHJTn8czWU0
and Astel, supposedly at 500 and something
https://vrabi.net/video/rTLpkkhj04k
Both chats are FROZEN SOLID IN PERMAGROUND
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new MV will premiere today 21 jst on suisei's channel
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>>111151458
thirdie monkey
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AIEEEEEEEEEE HOLODOX
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>>111151434
Yagoo doesn't have nipples
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>>111151506
this is the MV choreography
matsuri's position (orange shirt) is center
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blindchama...
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>>111151567
That's also why she wants her Holofans to stop being cringy in public at her events
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>>111151256
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>>111151649
>doob 20
we're getting old
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