>>42246776
There is none. This is the only life you'll ever have make the most of it.

Begs the question is this even life to begin with?

>>42246776
having an out of body experience

>>42246776
The pre-life.

>>42246776
NDE's
They prove it is a form of life, because predators/parasites exist there, and try to steal from you like here.

>>42247795
this
you can also encounter these entities in every day life, although they are completely invisible to us because they have no mass, they can project and manipulate "force" within the psychological plane, which we experience as unconscious impulses we cannot explain that "possess" us. Scientifically this gets written off as "mood swings" or "hysteria" or, when those impulses want you to isolate yourself and feel empty and apathy and abandon everything, then they call it "depression".

All of these negative psychic states are symptomatic of demonic possession, always have been, always will be. The essence of God is mercy and eternal love, so anything that disturbs our souls and makes us fear and hate each other is categorically evil and comes from Satan.

>>42246776
Ray moody, Dolores cannon books

Literal billions of people want proof of an afterlife. The best that they could come up with is people hallucinating on the edge of death.

>>42248019
>The essence of God is mercy and eternal love, so anything that disturbs our souls and makes us fear and hate each other is categorically evil and comes from Satan.
Oh give me a fucking break.

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>>42248019
>demonic possession, always have been, always will be
>God has spoken to man and said the Creator of the Universe was sacrificed for Jews!
That's the word of Satan.

ghosts. stupid board couldn't even answer the easiest question.

Simple, there has to be a soul, or something like it. Nobody has proven it exists, so no as far as we know there is no afterlife.
Being alive is nothing special, your brain is just an organic computer that sends electrical impulses.

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>>42248855
t. Demon posessed predators/parasites

>>42251000
most parasites come from eating meat.

Not everybody sees an afterlife. Does it seem like niggers see an afterlife? They perma live on this side like how isekai just rotates you back in.

>>42251011
eat deez, satan

>>42246776
The fact that you're alive now.
Since you're alive now, there must have been the possibility for you to exist before your were born. Since that possibility existed before you were born, then it's not dependent on this single life. So you can expect that possibility to exist to persist after the death of this current body.

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>>42251058
i'm no devil.

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>>42246776
Desire for it.

>>42253271
Cope is not evidence.

There will never be a satisfactory answer, I would recommend you enjoy your life while you have it. However I will say this, I have a cynical attitude toward this subject. I know there's some evidence for reincarnation and some out of body experiences that another person has to verify. I do not really care for NDEs, they can be chalked up as all in the mind, it doesn't prove anything. The only time and NDE can prove anything is if the deceased can return and describe something from outside their body.

I do know this for an absolute fact, the afterlife will not be what you want it to be. Either death is the end or we evolve into something else after death. MY consciousness and current character is not going to be in heaven forever. If reincarnation is true, then your consciousness is clearly filtered out and you become another person. If we don't reincarnate, then your consciousness doesn't have a human brain to act as a medium to navigate reality.

Also in this current world and how horrific it is there's no way a loving god exist. If reality is disappointing, do not hold out for hope that some afterlife is going to undo all the pain and suffering you have experienced in your life

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>>42247096
A friend of mine who is a good hearted extra terrestrial told me that he has been waiting for humans to speculate less about an ethereal afterlife and instead come to see life as the most precious thing on the planet. Life is short because consciousness ends when and if the brain dies- rather than see the ethereal as a reward at-the-end of life- you could rather spend your days focusing on becoming a skilled dreamer. for out of body experiences such as dreaming are ethereal- the ethereal which would be typically something supported by life.

>>42253448
I don't know if you are retarded or acting deliberately in bad faith but if you studied NDEs in any depth, you would know it has already been scientifically proven that consciousness continues to persist and isn't made up in the brain even after clinical death.

Dr. Long studied NDEs for decades and did experiments where people whose brain died and heart stopped could still accurately recount what was happening in the surgery room after they died and had an OBE. They were even capable of reciting serial numbers on machines accurately, despite being wheeled in unconscious into the operating room.

Like most shills on 4chan you are probably just trying to prevent the mass and most important redpill of all. That this Earth is fake and gay and that there are many other realities and lives to explore. Imagine if this became common knowledge, epstein bullshit would have nothing on the mass disruption to pedophile societies this would cause.

>>42253853
Anecdotal evidence is not scientific proof.

>>42253884

These experiments are replicable lol and documented in actual scientific papers

Tell me you haven't studied NDEs without telling me you haven't studied NDEs.

>>42253884
And if you had a scientific mind you’d know better than to throw away anecdotal evidence to the trash. Multiple fields of Science like Astronomy are mostly based on anecdotal evidence, because they cannot be replicated in a lab, due to various reasons (scale or ethics are common ones)
Most retards online discard anecdotal as not worth taking into account despite sometimes overwhelming amount of said anecdotal evidences, and in that anon’s claim’s case there are a lot of said evidences. That’s just doing a disservice to science.

>>42253853
NDEs seem seriously under discussed on this board. It's pretty easy to tell that people are being honest when they describe these experiences. I find the life review aspect particularly intriguing

>>42246776
Good question. I think we have zero evidences, but people like to beleive because that's what religion has put in their brains or minds.

>>42253560
consciousness does not end when the brain dies, that's like saying the internet ceases to exist when your router goes offline

all that happens is that consciousness is no longer experiencing itself as one particular personality matrix housed in a body, and instead experiences itself as itself, directly, as formless pure existence. It can then choose to reincarnate if it so wishes, or pass on. Consciousness never ceases to exist. Consciousness itself, with a capital C, is literally GOD.

>>42246776
The fact that you got a life in the first place.

Blue Eisenhower November

>>42246776
Sleeping, you close your eyes and you enter a similar state to death.

>>42246776
Energy cant be destroyed, soo there is something.

>>42253853
Not a single NDE is true. Nobody died in an NDE, it's even spelt out for you in the name. NEAR death experience. They didn't die. None of them died and were revived. They 'almost' died.
That's why you cope with terms like 'clinical death', 'brain dead' and 'heart stopped'. All pure cope sleight of hand terms to evade the fact that not a single NDE account involved the person dying, because if they did die, there is no resurrecting them lol. Dead is dead.

>>42246776
Nothing confirms heaven or hell.
Ghosts are dead autistic people.

>>42253560
>reddit alien

>>42253431
But it's all I have. :(

>>42251011

Yup

>>42253853
>>42253925
I didn't say they were useless, but we shouldn't treat them as the end all be all. If anything the afterlife will be disappointing if true. You're likely going to exist in some realm where your consciousness transforms into something nonhuman.

>>42255979
Thanks for the opinion, retard

>>42254350
Yes the body dies. Consciousness is not particular to you.
Consider consciousness as a radio signal, your body is an antenna and you, your mind, your self is the frequency of your choosing(or not, NPCs/hylics etc) playing the program. Once the antenna ceases to work, the program stops playing but the signal continues.
This is just a simple mental image for you to visualise.

>>42254350
Your opinion is trash and you are disingenuous. What is death but consciousness ceasing? Explain how someone with a dead heart and dead brain can perceive accurate events around them if they are not processing any input from their 5 senses? I'll wait.

Yeah I don't believe it. Humans probably experience heightned senses of stuff that helps them create a mind image of stuff happening around them. Probably a logical conclusion vs an irrational assumption. I.e. nothing ever happens

>>42257833
>not processing any input from their 5 senses?
I'm not convinced that is true. Why are you convinced?

>>42257883
>heart stops
>brain not get blood
>brain can not process sensations
Do you need me to dumb it down more?

>>42257919
>Brain required to be conscious

You didn't have a fucking brain for 14.7 billion God damn years.

You can take in sensory information right now, can't you faggot?
Explain what the fuck you were doing for 14.7 billion fucking years then, retard.

One time my mom went on a boat trip and I remember being there, moving around and seeing everything. It never made sense because my cousin who is 5 years older than me was there, too, but she was only like 3 or 4 at the time. When I told my mom about it she was astonished: "the boat trip? you weren't even born yet!" So it turns out you don't need a fucking brain to process sensations or be conscious. Even as a ghost I could do it.

I want this to be the only life. Nothing after would be the best outcome. Fuck Heaven and Hell. Get out of my face with that shit. I want the void.

>>42246776
We know so little about reality beyond our physical universe. Why is there anything? Why is multiplicity, complexity, order, change possible? We don’t know much about the physical universe itself even. We will never know until after we die, because most people will only accept scientific proofs, but science does not deal with ultimate reality. But fuck if it doesn’t seem pointless if this life is all we really have

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Metal enraptures you to Hell

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I hope something is out there. I'm not entirely convinced about NDE because I don't want to get hyped by grifters selling their ideas with a book or a podcast, I am not saying they're all grifters but something is off about many of those storytellers. I am still grieving for someone very dear I lost recently, and the thought that their consciousness/soul might have become universal after death soothes me, like they're everywhere and out there, watching me. I can never listen to their voice or talk to them anymore, I can never hear another "I care about you" from them, but I'd be fine if I knew they are free out there and can see me. I don't think our limited minds will ever be able to process what happens after death, nor can science, it's a matter of spirituality, something ethereal you just feel, not think.


I remember reading some years ago a supposed NHI leak talking about consciousness as a force field much like gravity is, where everyone returns with something added. Ofc, that could've been a larp, but I found it more realistic than other versions. Not romantic, but still hopeful.


I can't help but think this is my brain on copium, but I won't let another human decide this

>>42246776
The fact that most people nowadays are possessed by parasites should tell you something.

>>42254350
You're fucking stupid and should shut the fuck up because you don't even know a thing about what you're saying. Quit larping and fuck off.

NDE is an umbrella term that also qualifies people who were pronounced clinically DEAD and then revived or somehow revived themselves after being completely fucking flat dead you stupid nigger. This happens A LOT. I fucking work in a hospital you dipshit. In fact, it's so fucking common nobody even CARES when it happens, except the patient of course. Just so you know, it also happens when you are put under general anesthesia for surgery. Patients wake up during operations all the fucking time dude. And they have no memory of it because they're hopped up on anesthetic and only partially awake when they wake up. Often they just open their eyes and look around for a bit and then the alarm on the monitor goes off and the anesthesiologist hits them with another dose and some oxygen so they go back to sleep. Anesthesia is as much an art as it is a science.

>>42258072
>copium
What if I told you words like copium, based and etc. were psychological tricks to guide your behavior and keep you stupid?
Don't be ashamed of hoping for anything. Hope is good, it's a motivator on par with anger. Maybe even better.
Similarly, calling someone "based" for doing or saying something stupid tricks them into getting a brain chemical reward for being dumb. Don't listen to those people.
Memes are magic in a way. It's good to recognize which of them are harmful or manipulative. Most modern memes are.

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>>42258083
>clinically dead
There's that cope again.
They didn't die. Not a single NDE died. That's the hilarious part about this. They NEARLY died, but they didn't die.

Cope, seethe and screech all you like, faggot. Nobody that dies comes back. Get over it lmfao.

>>42258084
sorry, English isn't my main language so my vocabulary is sort of limited when it comes to these words since I don't know better, finer words for those sensations
>Memes are magic in a way
absolutely and it's fascinating how much they can shape the world just starting from simple internet websites and leaking to reality
>Don't be ashamed of hoping for anything. Hope is good, it's a motivator on par with anger. Maybe even better
thanks anon, but the point is that I wanna know the truth. Of course, that can never happen because I am a limited being, my mind is at least, and I do know hope can help me get through life and it often does, but a part of me can't help but feel I'm tricking myself and it really doesn't like it. So, I wish I knew the actual truth, not what I desire to be true

>>42246776
Humans are the best evidence of the afterlife
We have a spark of the divine within us all, which is why we are such incredible living beings. That spark must have come from something/someone.

>>42258114
I like that, but holy fuck is mental illness no joke for us

>>42258197
Kek, we are bonded in our madness

Archangel Azrael took my soul to the Araf where it was judged by the One God, as my consciousness seated atop this border I pleaded Him not to forsake me and I returned.
It was not a NDE, it was a fully sensible OBE that happened in the middle of a song I sang. It probably lasted onky a few seconds, felt like minutes but weighs like a lifetime.

I am certain beyond the shadow of any doubt that there is an afterlife, nothing cab change my mind. It hurts me to see so many think they know nothing will happen. So protip atheists, do not forsake God out of your life. At least become agnostic if you can't have a syncretic understanding of religion.

>>42258198
Hey does this mean the we that we are aren’t really us if we’re all like this?

>>42258290
cool story bro

>>42258415
Where there is smoke, there is fire. The fact that humans throughout time and space have developed belief systems around the metaphysical, even though many were isolated, should be proof enough for you at least not to dismiss outright the possibility of an afterlife.
This story was just an interpretation upon an infinite number of them.

>>42258429
Humans developed it because they wanted afterlife to be possible due to their awareness of suffering and death, not because they had any actual evidence for it. No one can deny the possibility of an afterlife completely, but evidence we have now indicates that it’s just a human made, wish fulfilling concept. I think that if afterlife exists, it’s just humans in the future finding a way to transfer consciousness from the past somehow. Not completely unrealistic given how little we know about the universe, but I would not bet my life on it

I want to see my grandparents again...they loved me and died while I was a failure of a human being, they died knowing their granchild wasn't making it

>>42258114
Hey humans.
Little reminder.
https://youtu.be/VJ9RmuY8A60?si=anStnRzEceGd7HLU

>>42258539
>https://near-death.com/people-born-blind-can-see-during-nde/
/x/ tier study but big if true, seems serious. Says that people who have never experienced light or perspective can during NDEs or OBEs. It's almost as if consciousness was not a body>environment relationship but an environment>body one.
Really makes you think.

>>42258090
>The longest reported time someone has been clinically dead (cardiac arrest) and subsequently resuscitated without permanent brain damage is generally recognized as 17 hours. This occurred with Velma Thomas in 2008, who experienced multiple heart attacks and saw her heart stop for 17 hours before miraculously reviving after life support was removed.

>>42257937
>no brain for 14.7 billion years
Proofs?

>>42258759
>the study is people just saying what they think happened
It doesn’t make sense even if it did happen. Why would consciousness somehow separated from physical body see the world exactly the same as consciousness in a physical body? Colors, shapes, materials, etc. Especially if the person does not know what it is like to see as a human

>>42258090
The way your clinging to the word 'near' makes you look like a literal autist.
By all measurable metrics those people were dead. The heart had stopped and the lungs had stopped. The brain was starved of oxygen and blood.
We say near because they somehow often unexplainedly came back to life. We're not going to go around calling them undead.

>>42258539
>evidence now claims that the afterlife is human made wish fufillment
And what evidence would that be?

>>42258877
They didn't speak about seeing the same colors. One was speaking about gold on the walls for example. Shapes wouldn't be different in OBEs, they also have a mental reference for materials.
>does not know
Read the damn testimonies. Some were really disoriented at first, until a moment where everything made sense to them and appeared exactly as it should be. Which is in line with what sighted people living through the same experiences reported.
I invite you to ask an AI to find you more studies on truly blind people perceiving in OBEs or MDEs. And please read them from top to bottom you autist.
>>42258539
Forgot to say:
>Projecting your own insecurities about suffering and death on humanity as a whole
You're coping here, not them.