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A kind gentleman I spoke with described the first Transcendental Meditation “advanced technique” as follows. Looking for other renegade instructions of similar advanced techniques. Say what you will about TM, it’s a decent technique. But charging $800 for this is wild:
It's been about four years since I got taught it, and I stopped doing it after about two months because I wasn't getting anything out of it, unlike the mantra meditation which I've been doing daily for 6 years. So apologies if this isn't 100% accurate, but as I said it's actually comical what it is so I'm pretty sure I can remember it. You sit up in bed before you go to sleep. You close your eyes, and you "look" forward and try and focus your mind on a space in front of you (they said try and imagine that space in front of you is an arms length away). And you just focus your mind on that space in front for between 10 or 20 minutes, until you feel yourself getting pulled into sleep. A bit like the mantra, when you feel your mind getting taken away from the focus of in front of you, bring your mind back to it. Then, you lie back down and fall asleep. They made a big deal of not opening your eyes again. They said if you open your eyes again it won't work. The idea is that whatever that technique does infuses your sleep with transcendental consciousness and improves the TM mantra stuff you've been doing earlier on in the day. So, basically I paid £400 to be told to sit up in bed and "look" forward. That's it. Whether it works or not I have no idea as it slipped out of my routine really quickly. But maybe it will do something for you, who knows. As I said, maybe I've forgotten to mention something but I'm pretty sure that's all there is to it.
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>>42253282
Interesting and thanks for posting. I think keeping your eyes closed activates the Oneirophrenic part of the brain that ibogaine works on and allows dreaming, different than classic serotonin based psychedelics
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>>42253282
Mahesh was trying to popularize atma vichara. Why not just practice atma vichara?
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>>42256996
theres just no need to pay attention to the scenery
you're just playing around imagining signals well beneath the noise floor otherwise
methods such as what op suggests should have the fundamentals stressed as part of the information, otherwise its just irresponsible
you have to balance the methods
its better to establish a downward flow before raising energy esp in the head
learn to return the energy to the gut first before doing stuff like this
establish the internal centers first, lower then upper
provide a basis for working with external energy centers
this aint kid shit, one should not take these cautions lightly
in matters of spiritual practices it does not behoove one to rush ahead too quickly
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>>42253282
Oh, so other people do this too? I find that it increases chances, but does not guarantee outcomes.
It feels like a sensory field of awareness. OBE state, entities that develop this well tend to have an uncanny ability to detect presences well.
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>>42257593
it is definitely meant to be helpful
as far as sources, I learned a handful of methods for working with upper centers from a couple different teachers over the years, it was a distillation of mostly oral teachings and forums long gone
the signals beneath the noise floor bit was from sound engineering teachings I received from a savant tier broadcast engineer, if you imagine you're trying to record something in a noisy room near a busy road, you're going to have a lot of crap muddying up what gets laid down on the recording - the easiest way to clean up things is to remove the sources of noise, lowering the noise floor, making the desired signal stand out much more
way easier to do before the recording is done of course
it is similar with cultivation, without doing the fundamental stuff first, the noise floor situation of the body & mind are like that noisy room near a busy road and trying to put down a good recording...you wind up polishing turds, as another friend described most of his audio mastering work
when you learn to achieve good stillness, ohm's law says the amplitude auto-rises
with methods that work with the upper dantien and brain area, one very common problem is that the energy stays up there and some people have trouble bringing it back down
you really dont want to leave energy just hanging around
do something, then bring it back
this is why there is such thing as 'shuigong' practices designed to close sessions with, bring the energy back down and out of esp the head - includes things like rubbing meridian lines on the head, arms
just trying to help prevent problems from arising - when the fundamentals are covered, that provides a substantial measure of safety
some of my teachers will literally show a student the door if they're not covering stillness well enough, shit can get dangerous
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>>42256155
How can progress be real if the cultivations that we imbue with our simulations aren't can't be real?
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