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https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Elisa_Lam_elevator_video.webm#
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Elisa_Lam
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>>42469695
first, we'll review all evidence. second, we'll use our combined IQ of 85 to figure out what happened to the bitch. lastly, we'll collectively show your mom a good time as a show of appreciation of your efforts
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>>42469658
>Elisa Lam
Waifu material
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>>42469658
Such a based post
keep being you anon
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>>42469658
https://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Other/lam,%20elisa_report.pdf <--- link to autopsy report currently reading
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>>42470668
Yeah I just checked, she was Bipolar. I also see the media pinned the reason for her behavior on Bipolar. Seems like bullshit to me because I've had a few friends with Bipolar type 1 and a few Type 2. Elisa's behaviour is completely incongruent with how Bipolar disorder is typically presented during manic episodes.
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>>42470689
She seemed to be gesturing as if she was hallucinating (e.g random arm movement, swimming on air)
take into consideration that the elevator camera doesn't show enough, for all we know there could have been someone present
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>>42469658
https://loudwire.com/morbid-metal-musician-falsely-blamed-elisa-lam-de ath/ <--- somewhat relevant
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>>42471103
blondie
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>>42469658
The case is most likely an occultic coded hoax. There are just too many 'coincidences' for it to be real:
>Last store she went to called The Last Bookstore had an address on their website that led to here burial site went plugged into Google Maps
> Name was the reverse of a Tuberculosis test(LAM ELISA) that was being used in the area she stated at
>Was interesting in invisibility tech and fir a time something called the Invisible Light Agency could be found at her hotel on Google Maps after her death
>Hated the word 'cunt' as an insult, and was found dead with graffiti near the tank she was found in that said in broken Latin "In fact she was a cunt."
>Lam is also the name of a demon Aleister Crowley summoned
>Lam also means to be on the run or a hard hit
These are just a few, there are several more oddities. If this is real, she was a targeted individual and an sacrifice without a shadow of a doubt.
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>>42471215
She was, to pass along what I was told:
It occurred at the newer Cecil hotel in the US. Crowley was a resident at the older Cecil hotel in the UK. [Other anons have mentioned he was the Cecil family's puppet, it goes back to John Dee etc.] The UK hotel has a younger US version.
Elisa's death is said to have occurred on Feb 1st, a Friday. A freaky Friday. Freaky Friday is a story about a parent and child switching bodies. This is an important topic for elite who practice transfer of consciousness into a newer body. The newer remake of Freaky Friday starred Lindsay Lohan who was most famous for The Parent Trap. The Parent Trap is about two twins, one in the UK one in the US, tricking their families by switching their very different lives.
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>>42474027
>Gravesite 'coincidence'
https://youtu.be/qseRohOJuac?si=jbhMMNzGsdqU5mL-
>Invisible Light Agency
https://youtu.be/ocw0EEmtUn0?si=8dAovGfbEXCvb_7i
>Cunt Graffiti
https://youtu.be/_kc79uXi7zI?si=u2_6UOuNjgpmAk8C
>Dark Water connection(one of the others ones)
https://youtu.be/WpAYZBe0Nns?si=faiyosFb2rFtmIOP
>Lam the demon connection
https://youtu.be/yzGk7F7BIfg?si=p5RUqOciq7LFh1Dk
>Lam definition
https://youtu.be/MTMWj710CYo?si=YHIlAFDVVD9X6lsR
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>>42470634
here, same anon who posted the autopsy report, after this i went to sleep and i had a strange dream. I dreamt that i was with elisa lam, in that same elevator, but she could not see me, she seemed anxious and erratic i tried to communicate with her but it was like i wasn't there
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>>42474584
>I dont know why but i got majorly creeped out reading about this case.
Same and I read about lots of cases, seen a lot of gore, desensitized to violence and tragedy both from being around it online and offline in my personal life. Something about Elisa Lam's death has this fucking sinister and spooky vibe to it that I can't explain. Never felt this way about any other death
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>>42476640
There wasn't a covid-19 link. It was a tuberculosis link. They were conducting tuberculosis testing at the area around the hotel in Skid row because of an outbreak. The name of the test they use for tuberculosis is called the LAM-ELISA test. It's easy to confuse the information because 2013 may as well be 2020 with how time blurs on the internet as far as information goes.
But yeah that's genuinely true, on the day she died there was a tuberculosis testing regime around the area using a test called LAM-ELISA. Not even the media can dispute it, they accept it but call it a "coincidence".
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>>42469658
My wild guess is she was anally raped the day of her death or the nights before. She went into a bipolar psychotic episode brought on by her assault and in a mentally disordered attempt to stay safe, made her way to the rooftop, believing she was being followed. She most likely hid inside the water tank herself, in her psychosis logic and mental perturbation felt like this was a sane and logical thing to do.
The twist is, she was being followed, and the attacker (probably the same person(s) that had anally raped her) decided to lock her inside the water tank, having followed her to the rooftop. Afterwards they graffiti'd the tanks "she was in fact, a cunt" in latin to mark their act out of mockery and left her to die.
And the reason for the coincidences and cover ups was most likely because her rapist/killer was most likely someone with a lot of notable friends, a famous person or Influential person.
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>>42477451
>Cont
And the reason I think she was anally raped:
Her anus was prolapsed and bloodied, detailed in the autopsy report.
Why its a famous notable person who did it:
In her blogs noveau-novelle Tumblr, she writes how she hates herself for her own narcissistic desire to appear competent and famous, often greatly seeking the attention of people she deemed famous or socially higher than herself. She admits her problem in her blogs. It stands to reason that she visited LA due to some connection she made or the promise of such a connection with someone famous or powerful, either a celeb or politician.
She flew out there, got herself in over her head, got raped, and then she went off the deep end mentally and her assailant took advantage of her psychotic breakdown and set her up to die.
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>>42477463
>Her anus was prolapsed and bloodied, detailed in the autopsy report.
https://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Other/lam,%20elisa_report.pdf
nowhere in here does it say her anus was prolapsed and bloodied
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>>42477474
It does
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>>42477594
>It says a pooling of blood
>Not a bloodied anus
Are you trolling? A pool of blood in the anus would very much be considered a bloodied anus.
Also the autopsy says
>The extremities show no signs of edema, joint deformity, abnormal mobility,
Non-therapeutic punctures or needle tracks.
Are you even reading the autopsy report?
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>>42477451
>And the reason for the coincidences and cover ups was most likely because her rapist/killer was most likely someone with a lot of notable friends, a famous person or Influential person.
Only makes sense if she was literally born for this purpose.
How would the rapist make a film with hints about this case YEARS before it happens? Why have her burialsite linked to the last store she went to? And the Tuberculosis and invisibility thing?
Again, she was either a victim for an occultic ritual from birth or she never existed and the whole thing is a hoax.
I mean the faces are not even consistent. She looks different in certain pics and the elevator vid face looks like another woman's face.
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>>42477655
>How would the rapist make a film with hints about this case YEARS before it happens?
If I murder someone by severing their head and packing into a box, only to leave the box in a remote dusty location in the wilderness, and I deliberately call the victims spouse to tell them where to find a box so as to surprise them that it's their dead spouse's decapitated head in the box..
Would that mean I produced, directed and filmed the move "Se7en"?
Sames true here. The killer could have been inspired by a movie and that's all. Doesn't mean the movie or it's production was involved in the death.
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>>42477655
Picrel. All different faces. Only similarities are they are feminine and Asian.
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>>42477672
Those are the same face to me. Sane nose width and cheek position, same eye vertical position. Same horse mouth smile. Also consider the fact that people's faces change as they age. Compare a 16 year old to a their 25 year old self.
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>>42477671
>The killer could have been inspired by a movie and that's all
>The LAM-ELISA tuberculosis test
>The cunt graffiti
>The gravesite address
>The Invisibility tech and Invisible Light Agency
>The Lam demon
>The Eliza AI
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>>42477697
Yeah all strange shit. That's why I am saying she was most likely raped and killed by someone with power or influence, someone with leverage who could pull off weird shenanigans to surround her death in entertaining mystery.
I am agreeing with you that it's a strange murder case that's been written off as a accidental death/suicide to protect something or someone. What do you want me to say? A ghost did it?
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>>42477680
Ok, the left and center one are similar, but the right one is off. Just looks like a different person in my opinion.
>>42477697
The Eliza(very close to Elisa) card from the Illumnati Card Game. The quote seems relevant to the death and the image seems suspiciously watery.
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>>42477728
Sorry, forgot picrel.
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>>42469658
Venlafaxine withdrawals, coroner's report mentioned she was prescribed it and had gone a few days off it. My sister went off the same meds and exhibited the same behaviour. Paranoia, erratic and unconventional movement, etc.
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>>42477728
>Ok, the left and center one are similar, but the right one is off. Just looks like a different person in my opinion.
It's because she's asian. Asians always look extremely different when viewed at different angles. Third image of Elisa is from an overhead elevator cam, so the view of her face is from above and at an angle.
Picrelated, chinks ways look weird as shit depending on the angle of their face.
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>>42477451
Not a very convincing explanation, you start with rape angle and tried to conviniently fill and connect everything there.
One point of my disagreement is that in the elevator video, she appeared to be in a playful trance (along with that creepy tongue flick), much like playing peekaboo with someone or something. Not in a distressed panic state that would cause her to hide in a very unlikely difficult place. A staff or a camera would have also noticed her frantically running away. If there was a cover up attempt to protect the assailant, they would have removed the video entirely and made the case appear as boring and mundane as possible, to avoid attention.
On that note though, I don't buy that her delusional manic episode alone made her drown herself.
One inconsistency I noticed is that she called her parents everday until disappearance, but testimonies say that she was being disruptive and weird. If she was already manic before disappearance, her parents would have surely noticed, or she would stopped calling long before. The bookstore testimony also agrees with her family tesimony, she seemed perfectly fine. If she withdrew her meds, episodes can last for days or evern months!! There's now way she still found some sanity to call her parents without them suspecting.
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>>42470646
>Interesting, no drugs or alcohol in her system
Depends on the type of toxicology report conducted. A standard toxicology screening wouldn't detect LSD or hallucinogens. All we know is she wasn't using narcotics or weed, unless someone has info that a non-standard toxicology report was conducted.
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>>42477578
An edematous anus just means it was slightly irritated. This could have been anything that caused it. Hemorrhoids, spicy food, etc. This condition probably excludes rape. Rape would result in trauma of the anus and you would see bleeding or tearing of the anal cavity. At most here, she could have engaged in anal sex (likely consensual if she did) or maybe was masturbating while playing with her butthole. But she probably wasn't anally raped.
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>>42471192
>Lam is also the name of a demon Aleister Crowley summoned
please read before spouting your inanities. not a demon. probably a self-portrait on drugs. the painting has the definition of lam right on there in the caption:
>"LAM is the Tibetan word for Way or Path, and LAMA is He who Goeth, the specific title of the Gods of Egypt, the Treader of the Path, in Buddhistic phraseology. Its numerical is 71, the number of this book."
it's also the bija mantra for the root chakra (pronounced "lum" to rhyme with drum).
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>>42482214
>Not a very convincing explanation, you start with rape angle and tried to conviniently fill and connect everything there.
I know, that's why I called it a 'wild guess'. All I have, and anyone else has to work with us guess work since the case is so full of information holes and hazed with weird coincidences.
>she appeared to be in a playful trance (along with that creepy tongue flick), much like playing peekaboo with someone or something. Not in a distressed panic state that would cause her to hide in a very unlikely difficult place. A staff or a camera would have also noticed her frantically running away.
In skidrow, Los Angeles, people watch pedestrians get mugged or assaulted and they keep walking as if it's just another Tuesday. Keep in mind there is a transient psychopathy in certain cities and urban environments, especially in shitholes. I grew up in a crime ridden slum myself, bystander effect is the rule, if you see someone being chased down you don't bat an eye and just keep moving.
>If there was a cover up attempt to protect the assailant, they would have removed the video entirely and made the case appear as boring and mundane as possible, to avoid attention.
What if the assailant or their assets (paid off cops, security, coroners) had wanted the footage to be publicised? It's not too crazy of a possibility and is the perfect way to cover up a murder. Just show the footage of what appears to be a mentally ill crazy schizo bipolar girl doing weird shit in an elevator, and public opinion will be "she was crazy" and Joe Public instantly assumes it was definitely suicide.
It's not impossible for a powerful perpetrator with money to pay cops or coroner's to alter information or autopsy reports, it's happened in several notable cases before around the world.
The Cecil Hotel in which she was killed was always a hot spot for some real psychopathic pieces of shit. It had been infamous for its ties to murder suicides and occult guests.
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>>42483536
It's not really a wild guess compared to the of the actual wild /x/ level explanations. The reason yours isn't convincing is because some details don't add up but you just brush them away as a irrelevant detail.
If someone saw her running away, it would end up in the police report.
The best cover up would have to just hide or throw the body somewhere remote, like in the forest, desert or sea. Or make it look like an everyday skidrow crime: a bullet to the head or multiple stab wounds. Rape would probably not be an unusual crime too.
Instead, the killer wanted her body to be eventually found, but enough time to pass. Maybe to wash away something? What were those sandlike particles found? The latin vandalism on the water tank tells me the murder is done out of spite.
I'm not trying to wet blanket your guess though, but you have to come up with something better than that.
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>>42484025
Honestly the most likely explanation is that this is a hoax done for whatever reason. Too many major 'coincidences' to just brush off or explanation rationally. It literally reads like an early Creepypasta.
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>>42483387
the early and mid 2010s was the golden age for research chemicals
her tumblr had a post on it saying "relapse." not that long befor her death
she decided to get fucked up on etizolam and some psychedelic and died retardedly
soooo spoookkkky HooUuOoOoooooo Oohoohoooooooo im a ghoooooooostttttttt
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>>42471192
The movie Black Water and the water incident.
The outbreak of tuberculosis at skid row and around the hotel
The Lam Elisa Vaccine
Invisible Light Studios , which was located in the building at that time.
Nigger for authentication.
RIP, she was a genius
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>>42484131
Some of the cited possible connections are indeed coincidence and should be sifted out as noise. But others are intentional and part of the plan to murder in the most occult way possible. The murderer got what she wanted: to get away with it and still let everyone know of her accomplishment. Her medical history really played a major role in this plan, when in fact according to her parents, she's mentally well enough to make calls and update them.
Her blog and other digital musings should be considered tampered and compromised, as the murderer was likely stalking her and have every access to her device before or after the murder.
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>>42484640
>she decided to get fucked up on etizolam and some psychedelic and died retardedly
What I'm thinking. Not super familiar with the case,.but just reading through the autopsy, the tox screening stood out. As much as I want to believe it was some paranormal phenomenon, she had a history of mental illness and the video looks like she's on an acid trip. It's still pretty weird that she ended up in a water tank, locked in, but you can probably explain this away with legit coincidences and retarded maintenance staff. Or maybe she was too stupid to understand that a sensory deprivation tank needed salt to make people buoyant and was trying to enhance her trip.
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>>42484671
>The Lam Elisa Vaccine
I could find a reasonable explanation for most of the case except for this detail. AI just told me that connections between Elisa Lam and the LAM-ELISA vaccine are purely coincidental, which means it probably isn't. This shit is weird.
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>>42471192
She was found in room 514 and In China, rooms marked 514 are avoided to stay in as it’s connected to suicide and death. 514 is pronounced Wu Yao Si , and is similar to Wo Yao Si, which translates to “I am death/I want to die/I want death."
One of her name's means, or is similar to, "blue" in Chinese. Her birth name Ho-Yi comes from Hou-Yi, the moonchild archer demigod, their Lucifer. A blue far-eastern woman, i.e. they sacrificed a ritual embodiment of Sirius the blue eastern star.
https://oeshuguenotchapter88.org/Heroines/Adah.html
Also, an attorney claimed that the same group of people behind Elisa's death were behind Amne Heche's.
I think it's obvious that Elisa and Anne were supernaturally influenced, but Elisa especially, because of all the eerie coincidences that we know, that they were both supernaturally guided and killed by a hidden hand/occult forces that could only be orchestrated by a sinister group.
Notice how people seem like they have brain fog and do stupid things at the right place and right time, and then all Hell breaks loose? That's the hidden hand working.
Poor girl. Who knows if her only family was in on it.
Elite occult groups can affect this false reality/electrical grid and bring random and targeted people together and make sh!t happen for small and large scale events.
I first noticed it when I watched Derek Chauvin on Big Floyd. Something else was making him kneel or lean or barely kneel on that guy for so long, almost like he was possessed or was in a timeloop.
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>>42471192
The Last Bookstore's domain has a postal code in its registration: "V5G 4S2". When plugged into Google Maps, it leads straight to Elisa's burial site in Forest Lawn Memorial Park in Canada.
Elisa stated on the 4th floor of Cecil. 4 is regarded as number related to death in East Asian countries due to it sounding similar to their word for it.
Elisa sent a tweet on January 13th about a Canadian company that is getting support from the Pentagon to create a cloaking material in order to make soldiers invisible.
Interestingly enough, when you used to zoom into Cecil on Google Maps, you would find a company registered there called The Invisible Light Agency.
A few days after her body was found, there was an outbreak of tuberculosis in homeless in downtown L.A.
The test to find suspected tuberculosis is called LAM-ELISA, The reverse of Elisa Lam.
Many netizens seem to agree that while on the elevator, she pressed the 14, 10, 7, 4, B, and block/hold buttons. Some of these buttons are supposedly linked to the Bible; chiefly the book of John, chapter 4, verses 7, 10, & 14. All these verses relate to water.
She has also been linked to Jesus and being the 4th Seal/4th Horseman, given that Elisa is a biblical name meaning God’s promised/dedicated, Lam sounds like lamb, and Elisa Lam is a rough anagram of ‘I AM SEAL’ and she was on the 4th floor of Cecil.
Lam also means to hit hard, to flee/escape from something, and to have a passionate expression of sorrow; weeping. These can all be linked to murder/getting sick via bludgeoning/”hit” with a bad sickness”, running from an assailant or group of them, and sadness from losing a loved one from a sickness + a water reference given that weeping/tears=water.
There was also an unrelated Cecil hotel in London that was made from 1890-1896. It was mostly demolished in the fall of 1930.
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>>42485627
>She was mentally unstable and climbed into the tank
Mentally unstable people don't just walk into a tank. In fact, it's pretty fucking rare for a mentally unstable person to go to a hotel roof and jump inside the hotel's water supply. You can't just use mental illness to explain away every weird detail. Bring severely depressed doesn't mean you are illogical.
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>>42485865
>The hand gestures were her trying to trigger the elevator sensor since the door wasn't closing.
Triggering the elevator sensor makes the elevator door open up not close. And who makes those kind of gestures?
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>>42486127
Where are the other hotel videos?
why release just this one strange video?
>>42485865
You should watch the video.
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>>42486127
I haven't seen this longer version, that ending part where the elevator door repeated closed and opened makes it even more unsettling. Is she the one doing that from the side? Or maybe, she's really being haunted and she can see it...
How is she even bending her hands like that?
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>>42485353
>These can all be linked to murder/getting sick via bludgeoning/”hit” with a bad sickness”, running from an assailant or group of them, and sadness from losing a loved one from a sickness + a water reference given that weeping/tears=water.
Sacrifice to Ba'al / Osiris.
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>>42470711
I remember back in the day when we first had threads about this on /x/ i felt like she was hiding from or talking to someone just off camera. Haven't seen the video in awhile but it did seem like that to me especially the peeking. Might be interesting to look back in the archives and see what people were saying back then
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I got a strange feeling when i was watching her in the elevator. Reminded me of a few times my life has been in danger, there's this very weird feeling you get when you know you are in danger and I'm not talking about adrenaline surge but it may be partially related. On that note though it's a similar feeling to when you were a kid and you ran up the stairs because it felt like something was chasing you.
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>>42474732
Sorry meant to reply to >>42475703
For >>42486709
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>>42486716
You can't even spell schizo right, case RE-OPENED.
More seriously, the water towers are used for drinking and other hygienic purposes. You think the hotel won' t restrict access to those towers to prevent possible vandalism, contamination or poisoning of the water? I'd be less surprised if she ended falling out of the window or running into traffic. But no, she ends up dead in the unlikeliest most difficult place.
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>>42475213
>she was mentally ill
We all know that Elisa Lam died in a water tank from her mental illness. What this book presupposes is…maybe she didn’t.
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>>42486770
When I'm reading the various schizobabble on here and cases about people who took great pains in order to make their own suicide look like a suicide/mystery (David Carradine famously went a little too far with his erotic auto asphyxiation, which he was known to do before), such disturbed people believe anyone, even a bit famous, cannot die in any other way than getting killed for "whatever reason" by an International Cabal of Satan Worshippers. It's like you made a board for the biggest rednecks possible.
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>>42486783
I don't know what exactly are you trying to suggest, maybe other to imply dismissively that these dumb people will believe in anything conspiratorial. If you got some evidence or breadcrumbs of reasoning why you think she off'ed herself purposefully in a cryptic way, please submit them to the panel of armchair detectives here, so they could reconsider the motion to close the case.
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>>42483536
the footage is key. why is there only one piece of footage. what about other locations? the lobby, the halls, other means of access. why is it so fucking terrible that you can't even view the timecode that conveniently makes it difficult to ascertain any cuts.
why is this the only footage you're allowed to see? sure she looks to be acting strange. are we sure she wasn't drugged by someone else?
the coppers would have had a lot more to work with than whatever's been thrown as leftovers to the public for sure. which is why they can't even be trusted when this has gone nowhere
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>>42486770
IM CLOSING IT AGAIN!!
She fucken failed at a RUB N TUG while she was working in a massage and the customer came back for a second round to let her do it right!! She killed herself because she didnt want to love him long teim!!
CASE FUCKEN CLOSED!!
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>The last entry of her Twitter account is from 27.01.13 and reads: Speakeasy
>If you type Los Angeles Speakeasy into Google, the first entry is The Varnish bar. This bar is just a 2-minute walk from Hotel Cecil, just behind the building.
>Was Elisa in this bar? If so, with whom? Did she perhaps meet someone (perhaps her murderer) there?
https://www.laweekly.com/eric-alperin-takes-a-gimlet-eyed-look-at-life -behind-the-bar-in-unvarnished/
>[...] the bar is a conduit in people's lives, like connective tissue.
>People go from one major organ [...] to the next major organ
>"You definitely have a vampire element to yourself," Alpernin tells L.A. Weekly...
>[...] we wonder if we will ever be able to soak in that energy again --
>"[...] and there's a vitamin you get interacting with people that's really important."
>"Find what you love and let it kill you."
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>>42488464
>>People go from one major organ [...] to the next major organ
in the literal sense, like digestion?
>>You definitely have a vampire element
>there's a vitamin you get interacting with people
interesting, what kind of interaction are we talking about?
did lam really die from drowning, was it possible she was roofied, chased through the hotel like it was some game and eventually succumbed to blood loss from a special interaction? perhaps
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Look at her she is on a mental breakdown likely a psycosis. She is very anxious looking out of the elevator as if someone is coming, its a sign of schizo.
Then when she climbed into the water tank, how did she closed the lid? my guess is that the tank was full when she climbed, that way it would be easier to close. Then how did she open it in the first place if it was heavy?
I can't get any image on her hand she most definetly open it herself it's evident that someone in mental breakdown would use their full strenght that's why it would took two even up to eight people to subdue someone on mental breakdown.
Her body doesn't decompose likely due to low pressure, lack of oxygen or even due to the tank water itself having anti microbe agent.
When the body was found it was in a fetal position. Atleast we can deduct that at her last moment she felt at peace, like inside of a womb.
Case like this are very common in japan, thousand of people vanish like this. Like they are under some kind of haunting.
I do believe in paranormal, but it took immense power for these being to influence you. The rest would be done by yourself. Concious or unconciously.
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>>42471192
>Name was the reverse of a Tuberculosis test(LAM ELISA) that was being used in the area she stated at
This is what gives away what's going on. I have no idea what that Vax was or did, but she was used to ensure search data on a general level would point toward this case and never what was being done in the area. Search algorithms will ensure people only hear about her odd death and throw off most people. The reality of what was being done to the public will be obfuscated.
Anyone going further into the case now has to deal with a plethora of oddities that will be framed as occult or ghosts or whatever. This kills the remaining validity in the public eye.
I'd bet there is an occult aspect, but only because these people operate in both worlds. The body was meant to be found. You were supposed to know about the bookstore and grave site. Even though its real it still sounds crazy to most people. Everything combined is too much for most people and this case will be relegated to schizo land. This in turn will be attached to the Vax and maybe even that invisible stuff.
Now everything and anything going down in the area sounds crazy. There will be no justice for her nor the public who are being exploited from a variety of angles. She was used. The next question is, was she part of the occult systems from birth or just had a name that matched what they needed and got used up
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> Tourists had been using it as drinking water, were bathing in it and were brushing their teeth with it.
bit of a stretch to clain she committed suicide by drowning herself without any intoxicants. That seems unlikely.
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>>42491900
>bit of a stretch to clain she committed suicide by drowning herself without any intoxicants
Some intoxicants won't be found with a standard tox screening. Like LSD or shrooms, which she could have taken.
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>>42491011
>Then when she climbed into the water tank, how did she closed the lid?
Maintenance personnel opened the lid to service it. Then closed the lid. Tanks have to be treated with chemicals to avoid the growth of biological contaminants and this would need to be done on a fairly regular basis. They wouldn't have checked inside because who the fuck would crawl into a water tank? They left it open for a bit, went on lunch, came back, closed it and locked it.
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>>42491083
I declare that the case regarding the nature of how she died to be... continued, but that something smells like it was always supposed to be a dead end. At this point, some may want to reconsider why it's been such a mystery instead of what the mystery is.
I would like to encourage more people to take a new direction like this anon and try to figure out why a distraction tactic like this would be used.
Basically, the facts are extremely limited. Almost as if, despite being such a media sensation, the police have almost no appetite to investigate things further.
Roommates of the victim shortly before disappearance are not questioned, and neither are sex offenders or residents at the top floor, for any useful insight.
The video itself seems to have been selected to incite supernatural sentiment.
A place like or near skidrow likely has strange disappearances and drugged up behaviour resulting in unfortunate death all the time. But this has been chosen, with omitted/lacking information to seemingly be a deliberate internet wide mystery. Why?
The TB thing is a very interesting angle, especially with search results manipulation. That is a good start. The following questions would have to be why is that so important?
My other theory is whether the LAPD or the government in general were trying a social experiment to see whether blatant incompetence/corruption could be obscured by people's fascination with the paranormal.
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>>42492955
>Lam had a history of not taking her bipolar medications and, as a result, on several occasions suffered hallucinations that would cause her to hide under her bed for refuge; she was hospitalized at least once for one of these episodes
>Investigators and experts have however noted that the concentration of her prescription drugs in her system indicated that she was under-medicating or had stopped taking her medications recently.
No conspiracy exists in this one. She had a history of suffering from hallucinations. She wasn't taking her meds. It's hard watching this happen to someone, but that's what happened. If you want to discuss the paranormal nature of hallucinations themselves, that might be an angle. Was she responding to something that actually existed beyond our ability to perceive it? Dunno. Maybe. But nothing conspiratorial happened here. She stopped taking her meds. That's literally what happened.
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>>42493442
>She stopped taking her meds. That's literally what happened.
Hallucinations don't give you security clearance to the rooftop of a large hotel and into a water tank. The average person seems to think mental illness and hallucinations have the power to enthrall the sufferer into committing stupendous acts of misadventure or something. The mental illness/hallucination angle doesn't suffice, especially to those of us who have psychosis ourselves or have had hallucinations. They're not as potent as you think, we still have a sense of free will and some iota of self control even when under psychotic breakdowns. For example when I was hearing things and seeing things and I had 100% belief that reality wasn't real and that my own family members were part of a conspiracy against me, I still understood that there's a chance I could be wrong and I was able to stop myself from erratic behaviours.
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>>42493486
>Hallucinations don't give you security clearance to the rooftop of a large hotel and into a water tank.
No. But dogs were brought in to her room and they did track her scent to a fire escape in the hotel. If she wanted to get onto the roof, she absolutely could have. Regarding the tank, there were four of them in the hotel and they do need maintenance. It's a shitty hotel and I can't imagine they were employing the cream of the crop, so stuff would have been left open for anyone to access. There are absolutely normie explanations that legitimately explain this.
>The mental illness/hallucination angle doesn't suffice, especially to those of us who have psychosis ourselves or have had hallucinations.
I can't empathize with you, but just as I don't know what you suffer from, you don't know the extent of the problems she was dealing with. She had been hospitalized for hallucinations before and a few times her parents found her under her bed hiding from something. If you are paranoid and are trying to hide, a water tank is a pretty good place to hide. She clearly wasn't in a good state of mind and wasn't taking her meds. Anon, I hope you are taking your meds. That being said, the one aspect of this that is truly odd is the Elisa Lam/LAM ELISA tuberculosis angle. That shit is way to specific to be a coincidence. That's the angle that is truly paranormal/conspiratorial here.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J5pVkzWj-jA&pp=0gcJCSgLAYcqIYzv&ra=m
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>>42494510
>No. But dogs were brought in to her room and they did track her scent to a fire escape in the hotel.
Anyone can access fire escapes though, that's the point of them. But not every fire escape leads to a roof. I have no clue how the Cecil Hotel is designed, what I do know is there's slim chances there was civilian access to the water tanks. Rooftops can be partitioned, where only a door that requires a key or code can access one portion of the roof where tanks are. And another door from a different stairwell is unlocked and can lead to a non important area of the roof for pedestrian use for emergencies. Other anons pointed it out, water tanks can be contaminated or defaced or damaged if you let Joe Public access them. They have to be secured in some way.
>A water tank is a good place to hide
It's not, because of the obvious: it's a water tank. When you are afraid you want to live. Fight or flight survival kicks in, your goal is to find somewhere dark quiet and confined and out of sight. Somewhere dry and doesn't drown you. If her reason was fear for her life, submerging herself in a tank of freezing water at night would not have been in her list of options she'd choose I can promise you. Even when under hallucination or psychotic break, mentally ill people still understand water can drown you, fire burns you, knives cut you.
>I hope you are taking your meds
Nah. Don't need them and never did. I just became high functioning psychotic instead and I do fine. Have a job a house and my own family. In other words I don't take my delusions seriously anymore and can get over them as easy as getting over a cold when they occur without drama or incident.
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>>42494580
>I have no clue how the Cecil Hotel is designed, what I do know is there's slim chances there was civilian access to the water tanks.
So you have no clue how the Cecil is designed but you are absolutely sure there is no guest access to the water tanks? And you see no faults in your logic here? This hotel was made in 1923. Safety wasn't a big priority in 1923.
>Rooftops can be partitioned, where only a door that requires a key or code can access one portion of the roof where tanks are.
The Cecil was basically a crack hotel. It shut down and how it's a homeless shelter. I guarantee there were no key card access partitions in this hotel.
>Even when under hallucination or psychotic break, mentally ill people still understand water can drown you, fire burns you, knives cut you.
Part of a psychotic break that requires institutionalization is when self-harm is involved. It is very common for people to jump out of windows, cut themselves intentionally, pull out their hair, and many numerous other forms of self-harm. She had been institutionalized before. She was absolutely paranoid schizophrenic and bi-polar. This does fit the historical pattern of her mental illness.
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>>42494647
>So you have no clue how the Cecil is designed but you are absolutely sure there is no guest access
Right back at you, I presume you don't have architectural knowledge of the place either yet you have no problems being certain there was guest access. Obviously Elisa gained access, but whether this was through guest access or security access is the question. If it's the latter, how?
>No faults in logic
Her case defies conventional logic wouldn't you agree? Whatever logic you have or I have is always going to be shaky, that's just the nature of how weird the case is.
>Safety wasn't a big priority in 1923
Maybe, but it was in 2013. That's why old buildings get renovated anon. Buildings aren't just built once and then untouched, they're constantly worked on during maintenance or repair
>The Cecil was basically a crack hotel. I guarantee there were no key card access partitions in this hotel.
I've lived a life, was born and raised in shit holes myself. I contend that the hotel being a crack den shit hole is an argument for the likelihood the tanks were secured. Shit hole ghettos, slums, we are low trust communities. Low trust comes from constant crime. Business owners tend to secure their shit in reaction to this. Hotels and their managers want money, they don't want sued. You really think they'd let water tanks be open for any druggie to access?
>This does fit the historical pattern of her mental illness.
There's suicide like you mentioned, wrist cutting, jumping from a height, self inflicted gunshot. And then there's "suicide", dying in mysterious ways. If she was really suicidal she'd have just jumped from the roof she accessed. There is no rhyme or reason to self submerging in a tank. Think for a long time anon, pretend you are her, you are suicidal you see a water tank. Think of the logistics of drowning yourself. It doesn't add up. It's as far fetched as drowning yourself in your own bath tub, your body reflexes would pull up for air.
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>>42494695
>Her case defies conventional logic wouldn't you agree?
No I don't. It's pretty fucking logical. Paranoid Schizophrenic goes off her meds and jumps into a water tank to hide from whatever it is that's been freaking her out for her entire life.
>I presume you don't have architectural knowledge of the place either yet you have no problems being certain there was guest access.
I'm certain there was guest access because she was found there. You don't need to be an architectural genius to figure this one out. That and dogs tracked her scent to the fire escape. And I'm certain the fire escape leads to the roof because of this research tool you should try sometime. It's called Google. It helps you research things. You should try it sometime.
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>>42494689
>A ritual for what purpose? Why. Undertaken by whom?
NTA but you'd need to take on the perspective of a ritual addict, specifically a psycho occult type, the bohemian grove variety. Rituals have one purpose and one purpose only: To shape language and alter human thought, and that's all. No demons no monsters no magical fireworks or anything grandiose, one simple outcome: To play with and toy with and fuck with society and their collective emotions and thoughts and get them talking and speaking fear and conspiracy. Why? For fun, that's all. I am serious that's the whole point of a ritual, it's no different to when a child plays a prank on adults just to see reactions. But when someone never grows up mentally and remains a sadistic child in the body of an adult, the play pretend provocations stop being pretend they start becoming more real. The stakes get higher the games more fatal. She was killed because someone powerful was bored, that's all. Who that was who knows, I don't know. But I do know that ritual/magick killers use the same script. They do it all for fun, they don't even believe in their own rituals they just use them for fanfare and to make people react, their audience (you) and me and everyone ITT and the media and the public.
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>>42494815
>her meds and jumps into a water tank to hide from whatever it is that's been freaking her out for her entire life.
That isn't how paranoid schizophrenia works. They do have a number of fears, they do try to hide or get freaked out, but they're not stupid. Just because someone is insane it doesn't make them retarded, and you already admit you don't relate to what psychosis is like. You don't even need to in order to understand my point.
Just use your imagination it costs nothing to use. Can you conjure mental imagery in the back of your eyelids? Do you have a mind's eye? Can you visualise things in your mind? Do that. You are a scared 20-something, in an elevator alone. It's late at night and every floor is eerily empty, liminal, every carpet the same every layout the same no matter which floor. Your psychosis kicks in, your chest gets tight, your mind feels like cotton, you are hit with a horrifying notion "I am not alone. Someone is following me." You start to panic, you hit all the buttons on the elevator. You go outside the elevator to check, nothing is there. You thought you heard a footstep, you jump back in, you press your back to the wall to not be seen. You peek again, no one is there. You dissociate and go manic, you start to "stim", you do a weird hand gesture to self soothe, the one you did as a child when no one watched. You need to go find somewhere to stay safe or at least calm down.
Keep in mind there's countless rooms, closets, nooks, places to hide. It's a hotel, it's massive too.
If you think "Oh, the water tank that I somehow have apriori knowledge of is in the roof! I will go there!" Is how she handled it, you're an idiot. Your logic assumes she knew a water tank was even there to begin with.
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>>42494815
Also just because sniffer dogs smelled her scent at the fire escape ladders does not mean she went there. If someone kills you and drags your body up escalators, it doesn't mean you walked up escalators. Someone could take your body scented clothes and dump them at a truck stop in Alaska, doesn't mean you went to Alaska even if 100 sniffer dogs picked up your scent in Alaska. Understand?
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>>42494891
>That isn't how paranoid schizophrenia works
Yeah. It is. That's why they put people in straight jackets because they are a danger to themselves. So they don't do shit like climb fire escapes and jump into water tanks.
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>>42494940
>Also just because sniffer dogs smelled her scent at the fire escape ladders does not mean she went there
Anon ... she was found on the roof. The fire escape leads to the roof. Dogs tracked her scent from her room to the fire escape. You know how you said you don't need meds, well, you do if you are denying this.
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>>42494964
Oh my fuck you have no clue what you are talking about. They stopped using straight jackets in the 1960's. You couldn't use your precious Google to do that part of the third party thinking for you? You just revealed that your entire perspective on mental illness is like that if a cartoon. You only know as much of schizophrenia as whatever you saw on TV shows.
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>>42494980
>Anon ... she was found on the roof. The fire escape leads to the roof. Dogs tracked her scent from her room to the fire escape.
If you kill someone in their room, drag their body or carry their body from that room all the way to a rooftop to dump their body into a tank of water, do you know what sniffer dogs are going to smell? Her scent leading from her room, through the hallway, up the fire escape, to the roof and to the tank. Do you know why the dogs won't smell other scents or other individuals, like say for example the killer who carried her body? Because the police give sniffer dogs an article of the victims clothing to smell and then command the dogs to follow that smell. They do not give the perpetrator's clothing to the dog to sniff for reference. Because they do not have a perpetrator, because sometimes killers can get away with it.
It's called critical thinking, is it really that hard?
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>>42494983
Anon. Please. Take your meds.
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>>42495017
Read your own image you absolute midwit. Read the part that says >historical collectors
Now think hard you imbecile, why is the straight jacket considered to be a historical artefact or dated item? Because it is no longer used by institutions, it has been retired and is now only purchased for replicas. Read your own bullshit before posting
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>>42495047
I guess you missed the part that just because something is sold to a medical institution doesn't mean it's in use. What part of they have stopped using them on patients since the 1960's do you not understand? Medical facilities still purchase many out of practice objects or even drugs for the sake of research or educational purposes only. You really need to stop googling shit to fake knowledge you don't actually possess dude get a grip
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>>42495047
And for the record you are an asshole. That was evident by the way you tell others to drug themselves up because of the petty crime of disagreeing with you had inconvenienced you. How about you go on meds? I found your intrusive comments and flippant way of telling strangers to ingest medications because you disliked their disagreement to be really unsettling and mentally unhinged. Please anon, seem help and get meds. See how that works?
Back to the topic at hand: Elisa was most likely killed. There's a snowball's chance in hell it was suicide or accidental death.
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>>42495119
>Back to the topic at hand: Elisa was most likely killed by herself when she forgot to take her meds, then scaled the fire escape, then took off her clothes and jumped into a water tank because she was a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic who had been institutionalized in the past for hallucinations.
ftfy
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>>42495066
>I guess you missed the part that just because something is sold to a medical institution doesn't mean it's in use.
So why exactly would law enforcement and medical instutions continue to purchase these if they weren't intending to use them?
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>>42495155
Lots of reasons, the most common one being for research purposes. Typically when someone new in the field really wants or needs to write a study for the medical journal, they need to know what they're talking about. If that topic or paper is about historic use of old methods, they need to actually study and examine the thing they want to talk about. In rare cases a straight jacket may be necessary for some individuals but not for mental illness, more like people with motor control damage, think of parkinson's, Huntingtons, or people with epilepsy whose seizures may cause them harm from flailing around. A straight jacket could come in handy if they need to be kept still for a medical procedure like a surgery if the drugs fail to hold their body still.
Straight jackets stopped being used on the mentally ill because it has an unsurprising tendency to make mental illness even worse (no surprise). Turns out putting a paranoid schizo who believes the world is out to get them in a tight uncomfortable straight jacket to immobilize them really does make them feel that people are out to harm them.
Also they stopped using them because antipsychotic medications had been synthesized by the 60s and did a better job at keeping them calm than the jacket so the drugs were preferred
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>>42495174
>medical instutions want to conduct continued research on something they don't use anymore
Ok bud. I'm tapping out of this discussion because you are clearly batshit insane. I've said it before and will reiterate. You should probably go back on the meds. People that don't think they need them are the ones that need them most.
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>>42495355
>Homicide detective Tim Marcia says the Lam family revealed that Elisa Lam had a history of not taking her bipolar medications. When that happened “several times previously,” she would have hallucinations and hide under her bed for refuge. She was hospitalized at least once for care in this state.
https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2021/02/10301000/who-killed-elisa-lam -cecil-hotel-death-drowning
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>>42495431
Yes, she has history of taking refuge under her bed during a psychotic breakdown (a rational move for someone scared of something), not a history of drowning herself in a bathtub or anything idiotically suicidal. As repeatedly belabored by one or more anons, psychotic breakdown doesn't necessarily disable all rational thoughts or sense of preservation.
The court case of the family suing the hotel should be another supporting argument against accidentally walking into water tank. The family lost the court case, meaning the hotel did in fact did their due diligence in maintaining and securing the water tank. A child, a retard, a drunk, it doesn't matter. Not anyone can accidentally end up the water tank.
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>>42495431
What about all the coincidences
The fact that you say she was mentally
ill and there are reports in corrupt satanic Google searches
Who cares?
The coincidences fully supercede that
as a credible evidence.
The tuberculosis thing is impossible.
Nothing can happen like that it simply won't.
Add to that the water thing the graveyard thing
Why even sit here and defend it
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>>42495194
not the anon, but you're actually a dumbass. take the stick out of your ass. using google makes you smarter than people who don't bother at all, but it's still just bare bones preliminary research. you're not wiser for reading a query summary, and it's evident here.
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>>42495194
>You are clearly batshit insane
You don't even know what insanity is, you seem to think it's when someone vehemently disagrees with your pseudo-intellectual, midwit, uninformed opinions that you required a search engine to create for yourself. You're one of those idiots who lived a sheltered boring life and you have nothing remarkable about you so you just pretend to have insights or knowledge of things you've never lived or experienced first hand. Imagine if we took your retard logic seriously. Have an intervention for me, call a psychiatrist, tell them I need meds because "He disagreed with me on 4chan he is clearly unwell" lmao. Fucking imbecile.
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>>42495431
>https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2021/02/10301000/who-killed-elisa-la m-cecil-hotel-death-drowning
> Once in the water tank, Lam was unable to escape and removed her clothing to fight hypothermia or better tread water. Eventually, she died of drowning.
This article is poorly written at best, and doesn't really do much for their side of the argument, but that aside. Were the clothes found in the water tank? Most references just state that she was naked in the tank.
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>>42475163
Just because all the oddities withe case. Plus this:
>>42485014
>Her blog and other digital musings should be considered tampered and compromised, as the murderer was likely stalking her and have every access to her device before or after the murder.
See, most people that make it into the news via murder or some other disturbing death, have their online presence axed, but fir whatever reason, not her, her account is still up after over a decade.
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>>42496948
Think blackops research it's why the shills are always ITT's. Bright young attractive Chinese scientist = spy helping develop invisibility tech.
The entire area is a cult hangout, it's why the speakeasy she tweeted about next door threw so many cannibalism references in their news article. The first thing we have to ask when analyzing for a SRA stomping grounds is "are there other unexplained or uninvestigated deaths in the area." The answer is yes, not only does no one care about the missing homeless in skid row, the Cecil hotel itself was already considered haunted and infamous for other "normal" deaths or suicides. Which means both cults and those blackops research projects can conduct their rituals or tests on the local low-income population without the news/etc noticing too hard. ... Usually.
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>>42497238
Lol scroll up past the shills. That eagles song is so overplayed but you get the drift.
https://youtu.be/bDPIjTrhBts
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Friends, this might sound absurd to you, but I learned something and I need to share it publicly. This has something to do with Havana Syndrome. They used a weapon on Elisa that's similar to the one used in Havana Syndrome attacks, but a different prototype. The purpose of the weapon is the same: to attack the mind, only a different prototype was used. An intelligent person would suspect something if there were multiple coincidences in an event. This girl was a victim. Even the police acted strangely in this case. Initially, the police watched and continued watching the footage for hours, but they stopped halfway through after a warning from higher up. To prevent lower-level police officers and Elisa's family from realizing something was wrong, they "edited" and released the footage from a single camera.
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>>42485341
Hello anonymous, what is the Sirius ritual? I saw the Sirius star in a dream a few years ago, even before I knew its name. The sky was blood red, and there was a black planet and a red star. I was calling out to the star, Sirius, as a goddess or a god, and praying.
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I found another strange coincidence. Elisa's Twitter account follows this person. What's interesting is that he posted a message on February 1st, the day Elisa died.
What makes it even stranger is that he hadn't posted anything for a long time before making that post, even though he was apparently someone who used to tweet quite frequently. If you look through the replies to his post, you can even see people commenting that they had been wondering where he had disappeared to.
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And if you go to the website of this "tourist guide" and look at the gallery section, you can see that he painted a picture of a woman drowning in the water, just like Elisa. https://dylanmoran.com/gallery/
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>>42504246
Lol you found them.
>organ-ized fun
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>schizophrenic has an episode and drowns herself
>but what happened?
It's a closed case, anon. Everything has already been investigated. All that's left is making some retarded shit up.
>>42476640
Case in point:
>hurr durr elisa lam's schizo suicide was actually related to MUH COVID
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>>42477672
>different cameras
>different makeup
>different lenses
>different focal points
>glasses vs contacts
>two smiling pictures and a frowning picture
This may blow your little autist-schizo mind, but people can look different without being different people.
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>>42469658
For no reason at all. She was off her bipolar meds in the time before she died (as proven by her autopsy), her behaviour was getting so out of hand that the people she was sharing a room with asked to switch.
Bipolar disorder can cause you to have hallucinations and delusions, she likely hallucinated someone chasing her. This hotel was also known for being very shitty so the elevator not closing is likely due to it being poorly maintained/old.
The water tank she ended up in is easily accesible via the fire escapes, with no alarms sounding if you go that way (as shown in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YweZJeZo13A). The water tank's lid was also open when she was found, many people believe it was closed but it was not.
There you go. Solved.
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>>42509927
Going skitzo makes all this(>>42471192)
manifest?
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>>42510032
Lam is an incredibly common Chinese last name. So yeah all things related to that I am taking as a coincidence. Most women also hate words like "cunt" and "bitch" being used as an insult and will tell you as much.
IDK anything about The Last Bookstore burial site thing, perhaps it was them trying to memorialise her on their website? Or was the address just to the cemetery/wherever it was in general? As like a "notable place" or something?
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>>42510062
Nah, she was never mentioned on the site afaik, it was just the address. See here: >>42474410
To handwave these 'coincidences' away at this point is just goofy.
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