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>>42482315
That’s funny I was telling someone that all forms of divination work because they’re like personality tests like MBTI and describe universal experiences that we all experience.
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>>42482221
>Since I am not a sinologue, a foreword to the Book of Changes from my hand must be a testimonial of my individual experience with this great and singular book. It also affords me a welcome opportunity to pay tribute again to the memory of my late friend, Richard Wilhelm. He himself was profoundly aware of the cultural significance of his translation of the I Ching, a version unrivaled in the West.
>If the meaning of the Book of Changes were easy to grasp, the work would need no foreword. But this is far from being the case, for there is so much that is obscure about it that Western scholars have tended to dispose of it as a collection of "magic spells," either too abstruse to be intelligible, or of no value whatsoever. Legge's translation of the I Ching, up to now the only version available in English, has done little to make the work accessible to Western minds. Wilhelm, however, has made every effort to open the way to an understanding of the symbolism of the text. He was in a position to do this because he himself was taught the philosophy and the use of the I Ching by the venerable sage Lao Nai-hsuan; moreover, he had over a period of many years put the peculiar technique of the oracle into practice. His grasp of the living meaning of the text gives his version of the I Ching a depth of perspective that an exclusively academic knowledge of Chinese philosophy could never provide.
>I am greatly indebted to Wilhelm for the light he has thrown upon the complicated problem of the I Ching, and for insight as regards its practical application as well. For more than thirty years I have interested myself in this oracle technique, or method of exploring the unconscious, for it has seemed to me of uncommon significance. I was already fairly familiar with the I Ching when I first met Wilhelm in the early nineteen twenties; he confirmed for me then what I already knew, and taught me many things more.
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>>42483732
>I do not know Chinese and have never been in China. I can assure my reader that it is not altogether easy to find the right access to this monument of Chinese thought, which departs so completely from our ways of thinking. In order to understand what such a book is all about, it is imperative to cast off certain prejudices of the Western mind. It is a curious fact that such a gifted and intelligent people as the Chinese has never developed what we call science. Our science, however, is based upon the principle of causality, and causality is considered to be an axiomatic truth. But a great change in our standpoint is setting in. What Kant's Critique of Pure Reason failed to do, is being accomplished by modern physics. The axioms of causality are being shaken to their foundations: we know now that what we term natural laws are merely statistical truths and thus must necessarily allow for exceptions. We have not sufficiently taken into account as yet that we need the laboratory with its incisive restrictions in order to demonstrate the invariable validity of natural law. If we leave things to nature, we see a very different picture: every process is partially or totally interfered with by chance, so much so that under natural circumstances a course of events absolutely conforming to specific laws is almost an exception
>The Chinese mind, as I see it at work in the I Ching, seems to be exclusively preoccupied with the chance aspect of events. What we call coincidence seems to be the chief concern of this peculiar mind, and what we worship as causality passes almost unnoticed. We must admit that there is something to be said for the immense importance of chance. An incalculable amount of human effort is directed to combating and restricting the nuisance or danger represented by chance. Theoretical considerations of cause and effect often look pale and dusty in comparison to the practical results of chance
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>>42483742
Nice, already downloaded the wilhelms I ching book
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>>42482221
They represent different stages of internal cultivation of energy. Anything else that they attribute to it, is from uniformed lay folk, both chinese or western. Including nonsense such as divination
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>>42486958
Even if you’re not that anon you certainly are as stupid as them
Predicting energy movement is what divination is
How can you be on this website and still be so dumb to this?
Do you think divination is predicting exact lottery numbers or some other retard tier shit?
Your parents must be embarrassed to have raised someone as dumb as you
I’m not the original guy your responding to and I knew exactly what they meant
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>>42483580
>instead of asking other people to think for you, try thinking for yourself by experimenting with it and observing the results
the I ching is literally asking the 2D RNG system to think for you. this is your brain on liberalism: think for urself! be happy! do not submit to god!
open a book
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It's fun to learn and easy to get into, especially if you read classical chinese, but actually understanding the meaning and gaining "mastery" of it probably takes a lifetime.
Confucius is quoted in the Analects as saying:
>加我數年 五十以學易 可以無大過矣
If I were given some additional years, 50 I would use to study the Changes, and might thereby be without great faults.
I think that should give an idea of what a weighty and massive field of study it is.
But to just have fun divining with it, all you need are three coins and a copy of the text
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>>42492602
the depth is chinese language. none of it is made up. like any complete theorem, go to godel and now the theorem can imply it's negation. hexagram divination isn't made up, it's not a game at all it's a mathematical random number generator. with an understanding of the language then comes the immediate understanding of the hexagrams which is the strength of the system. the difficulty is directly at being able to know all the hexagrams and their interactions which is a derivation of knowing complete chinese.
it's a stronger divination tool than llms example because it taps ancient themes, on the bad side those ancient themes could be memes that have no quantum significance. I think it's quite good because the hexagrams do symbolize many interactions in natural order. again, you might only find that specific order in china at a specific time.
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>>42492627
See; >>42491221
Remove the cultural influence to examine the raw concept in a context of no context
Start from scratch
Find the associative relationships to our current knowledge of quantum properties
Fictional theology would not reemerge the same if destroyed.. real knowledge is capable of being rediscovered from scratch with no association to a previous culture that observed its existence
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>>42492541
>open a book
The Invisible Landscape: Mind, Hallucinogens, and the I Ching is the foundational book by Terence McKenna and his brother Dennis McKenna, first published in 1975 and revised in 1994.
Core Themes: The work explores shamanism, altered states of consciousness, and the organic unity of the King Wen sequence of the I Ching.
Key Theory: The authors propose a "holographic temporal wave" (dubbed "Time Wave Zero"), suggesting that the I Ching hexagrams map a fractal of cycles related to the increasing novelty in history and evolution.
Origin: The insights were derived from a shamanistic experiment in the Amazon involving ayahuasca and hallucinogenic mushrooms.
>https://dokumen.pub/the-invisible-landscape-mind-hallucinogens-and-th e-i-ching-2nbsped-0062506358.html
(genuine PDF scan unlike the ugly re-typeset versions you can find on archive.org and Anna's)
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>>42494259
NTA but I used to be a massive McKenna fan. I read his books and listened to almost a hundred hours worth of his recorded audio seminars and workshop sessions, I even found and used his Time Wave Zero program that is available on the internet to use.
In conclusion it's all hokey shit. For one thing it abruptly ended and could not read past 2012 (McKenna believed, like many new agers the world ended in 2012). Revised versions of the software do now obviously. But the timewave zero project was fatally wrong. Also if you use it today and punch in key dates like historical figures being born or massive world changing events you find out how inaccurate it is. Some dates that should read high novelty end up being low as shit.
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>>42492627
>the depth is chinese language
nta. beware of the chinese language. dont learn it if you arent forced to by the danger of death. it is a language similiar to a mind virus, it will change the structural makeup of your brain and more receptive to orders and being submissive. look at china and their history. it is all perfectly orchestrated by the agentur, a huge project spanning hundreds if not thousands of years. a submissive, soulless/spiritless blob without empathy, huge greed and no originality
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There are two components to the I Ching.
The first is the hexagrams or what I call movements. These are nothing more than observations of the universe, its momentum of flow. Exactly how the seasons represent distinct times and changes on the Earth, so too the hexagrams represent distinct times and changes in nature. Much of the information written in the hexagrams is "tacked on" by later observers to firstly add supplemental information to better explain the base movement to those who cannot see and second to add additional supplementary information to ordinary men such as kings and rulers to aid them in running the kingdom and counsel for how best to act in their time.
The second component is the act of divination, which to put in plain words; you toss the coins to receive your hexagram and that hexagram has a relationship to your past, present, or future. You interpret the hexagram based on your own intuition and try to comprehend its meaning, but its relevance is undeniable even if poorly understood.
Both components are understood along the path of wisdom, but certainly the grasp of divination and the causal relationship between tossed coins and written wisdom is the greater one. Understood, composed, and written by men of extraordinary wisdom, truly deserving the title of sage. It is so completely beyond the grasp of ordinary men its not even funny lol.
If men understood the I Ching or even remotely attempted to walk the path towards greater wisdom and maturity it would bring about a golden age and prosperity that would make all prior history feel like nothing more than a young boy enthralled by his childhood lego set.
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Study of binary variations are of a universal truth. The assignment of associated meaning is localized.
Within binary computer processes these are the fundamental elements of every aspect of our electronic media platforms.
I think humans are still overlooking something very significant within the study of this
But who is going to take the study further?
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So there's this really fascinating overlap between western esotericism and eastern esotericism that happened organically, not due to cultural cross contamination, but just due to the fact that we're all the same species.
The four classical greek elements are Fire, Air, Water, Earth. From left to right, that corresponds to the four states of matter. Plasma, gas, liquid, solid. From left to right again, ionized, vaporized, liquified, solidified. This is a spectrum, from left to right, "solve et coagula". Dissolution and coagulation. The core principle of alchemy.
The I Ching is based on Yang (solve) and Yin (coagula). You can also map this to extroversion and introversion, masculine and feminine, day and night, light and dark, active and passive, advancing and retreating, emiting and receiving, it's just "polarity" basically. Yang is a solid line and yin is a broken line. They then stack these to get four basic combinations, Pure Yang, Mixed Yang, Mixed Yin, and Pure Yin.
Pure Yang is Fire, Mixed Yang is Air, Mixed Yin is water, and Pure Yin is Earth.
Solve et coagula, again. Plasma, gas, liquid, solid.
It's like this is just a fundamental universal metaphysical law of nature and the ancients figured it out intuitively, without science or technology. They just knew.
It's all based on energy levels, I think that's the universal connection. When you pump energy into matter, like heat or kinetic energy, it changes phase eventually and moves toward solve. When you reduce the energy in the system somehow, it moves toward coagula and becomes more of a solid substance. It's like, connected to the way everything is transforming. Like you know the feeling I'm talking about even if I can't put it into words, when a situation feels really high energy versus low energy and calm. I don't think we even really stop to think about the fact that we can notice this instinctually, we just do it. But I believe that instinctual prognostication is the root of all forms of divination.
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>>42483742
It's not chance method, it's continuity aka compressed proven method into symbol snd also tangable shortcut process that yields results.
I have observed.
They poses ancient recipes, methods, the science points we reversengenered... in form of passed on recipes of method and symbol that packs complexity and packs it for tangable implementation.
Our knowledge appears to have been scattered more even previously. They appear to have been the ones left with most to rebuild, ironically...
From textiles to food, to medicine and we did the middle part, but they may take over what we unpacked as science and what they have and including the method of use and be able to utilize it in the final stretch.
Point being they may resurfice with more again! Despite the accumulated knowledge snd berried safes we gathered!
I think it has to do with balance, we are currently more evil aka ignorant, unfortunately.
By no means are they clean, hell no... but we take the cake right now, wordt time ever too!
It's a cosmic joke.
I can't go into fine details it would branch and every leaf is a book... but it's not looking good for us.
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