UH DOES ANYONE ELSE THINK IT'S WEIRD HOW DESPITE THE WAR AND CASUALTIES, THE ELDIAN POPULATION KEEPS GROWING

Fansubs didn't die, but you're unaware as you're not a real fan.

You're preaching to the dead, maggot-infested corpses of the choir, anon.

>awful cancerous post
>shonenfag
Every time

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>>285799790
Do you want to play the boomer game, buddy?

You are not a true anime fan if you did not wait for late night channels to air a couple of episodes
You are not a true anime fan if you did not go through smuggled Betamax for a couple of unsubbed OVAs
You are not a true anime fan if you never had to ask your Dad's friend for floppy disks filled with 15 manga pages

>>285799814
It would surprise you how thorough you have to be to stop or reverse population growth. If I thanos-snapped half the world's 8-billion people right now, it would bring us to the population levels of the 1970s.

>>285799899
Fansubs for currently airing shows became so irrelevant nobody really gives a shit. Not a single anime this season where fansubs are your only option.

>>285799953
This. The oldtroons who came here in 2005/2006 are not real oldfags.
The modern paradigm of anime cemented itself 20 years ago and has lowered the barrier entry for the fandom so close to the ground that retards like OP can false claim like he's a wise sage.

>>285800023
Jamie, pull up that1995 chat group of weebs complaining about anime becoming mainstream and popular with jocks.

>>285799790
meanwhile the “professional” association can’t even put out a simple poster without a dozen errors in the English text.

Oh yeah, going on a torrent tracker, so involved.
Also,
>implying the outside of Japan even matters

>>285799997
>nobody
You don't give a shit*.

>>285799790
>you knew their honest opinion on things because they weren't trying to sell you a subscription
Some of them begged relentlessly for donations, which wasn't much better.

>>285800083
Meant to say back then. Now it matters too much.

>>285799953
>>285800023
Analog-era boomers didn't know shit about anime because their selection was severly limited and they were completely isolated from other fans. They're even worse than newshits with a crunchyroll subscription, at least on CR you can watch a variety of shows spanning decades and not remain an ignorant shit.
Digital fansubs before crunchyroll were the sweet spot.

>>285800094
Okay, let's see how many people comment on those Commie releases

>>285800150
>nosenstein shekelberg’s machine trannylation with scripts rewritten by pink haired problemglasses whalewomen service
no faggot
get a direct subscription to a Japan-only streaming service and watch the raws.
animation studios get paid but Moshe Hyman-Goldparasite gets nothing but a mouthful of delousing gas, as he deserves.

>>285800150
Heh, that's cute. You act as if anime boomers lived in caves. They had Usenet and old forums lost to the annals of time.
The ones who didn't have Internet kept up with magazines or cons at universities. As far back as the early 80s when UY was airing, there were boomers so dedicated they went directly to Japan so they can record individual broadcasts which.

The hoops they had to jump through was insane. They deserve more than the disrespect that these zillenial oldtroons love to espouse.

Fansubbing sucked. I was glad when many of my fellow fansubbers from pre Crunchyroll went pro and official silmilcasts became a thing

>>285800083
Torrent trackers were brought up as examples of fan spaces, not for gatekeeping purposes.

>>285800271
Way to miss the point of why I mentioned crunchyroll in this post, /pol/tard.

>>285800380
Torrents made fansubs more accessible since the previoua options were college networks and irc xdcc bots

>>285800150
>Analog-era boomers didn't know shit about anime because their selection was severly limited and they were completely isolated from other fans.
Truth. Boomer here. All the anime I watched that wasn't an import played on UHF stations came from copies of VHS tapes found at the sketchiest comic and video stores in the city. I was happy with what I could get even if the blurry ass subtitles rarely made sense. None of my friends watched anime.

>>285800413
I still used irc until a few years ago. Required zero community to download shit.

>>285800398
>”oh no,” he nosed nasally to himself, “I’ve been found out!”

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>>285800150
Severely limited?
Buddy, majority of anime then were nothing but OVAs and long-running series that spans 50-100 episodes.

A boomer can easily catch up to the culture with just a few VHS every year. Manga is not relevant

We have over 40 anime every season. How many do you pick up?
Not to mention all the stuff that aren't animated but are very relevant to the culture - ie Berserk, Vagabond, Yotsuba

>>285799790
I appreciate fansubs for not being cancerous trannylations and deepening my interest in Japanese culture via TL notes and what not, but nowadays I don't really care about them because like any real fan I just learned japanese and watch my japanese animay raw

>>285800446
>Manga is not relevant
Of course, you conveniently dismiss the medium because you know well alomost nothing got translated. Let me guess, LNs and VNs are also irrelevant to you?

>>285800413
You seem to be under a misconception I'm against accessibility. I'm all for accessibility, except only through other fans.

>>285800413
Well, no, there was also ED2K, Hotline, DC++, and FTP servers. Plenty of options.
Now, for the most part, we have public torrent trackers where 90% of the torrents are dead or private trackers that force you to jump through 30 hoops and turn piracy into a second job just to get into their circlejerk. I feel bad for anyone trying to start a collection today because it's so shit now.

>>285799996
eldians have access to reasonable healthcare they dont breed like r selected africans

>>285800528
I said manga is not relevant because most of the anime then are originals. And the mangas that are good gets adapted faithfully anyway

Japan was at the peak of the economic bubble.
Every single sector was risking new heights

>>285800504
yeah, same.
thanks for the effort guys but i don't trust your shitty translations especially since i've had to deal with other japanese learners throughout the years and i know the type of people they are

>>285800580
>Well, no, there was also ED2K, Hotline, DC++, and FTP servers. Plenty of options.
Oh, and Usenet too, don't know how I forgot that. Literally the only thing better about modern piracy has nothing to do with piracy at all, it's just the better internet speeds of today. It was better to have a wealth of different options instead of the one option that's stuck around because it's simple enough for retards to use.

>>285799790
This is so retarded. Do Japanese people pay money to watch anime on tv? Neither should we.
Anime always makes its money through merchandising and piracy is the reason anime became popular outside of Japan in the first place.

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Man, I just want karaoke subs back. Some shows are too high quality just to receive just the default font treatment of bland words in the opening not actually translating the song and just having them there. It gave the show some life and is another reason to watch it over whatever the hell is on tv nowadays.

>>285800725
Nobody in Japan watches anime on tv
They used to have a couple of shows late at night but I haven’t seen anything in years outside pretty cure and some random NHK shit that is so incredibly boring nobody outside Japan has even heard of it

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>>285800150
Back when anime was still cool

>>285800796
>They used to have a couple of shows late at night
Most shows still air in the dead of the night
https://m-p.sakura.ne.jp/

>>285800755
I always thought karaoke with effort put into it was cool in an Amiga demoscene kind of way, an excuse for nerds to show off (and I mean that as a compliment). Some people really hated it, though, especially when it was hardcoded into the video and couldn't be turned off.

>>285800839
a lot of people don’t even have TVs anymore
People under 40 have no interest in it, I think Sony and Toshiba even had to get out of the industry

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>>285800504
>watch fansub 20 years ago
>lots of curse words and funny dialogue, pg13
>later watch an official sub
>very prudish word choice, E for Everyone

>>285800725
nowadays you can plug a hard disk directly into your tv and record hundreds of hours of shows automatically but nobody even bothers to do this because basically every anime is simultaneously released to Japanese Hulu (a different company than USA Hulu) or another streaming service.
the only time most people turn on their tv is when the imminent disaster buzzer on their phone goes off, so they know what direction to run

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>>285800883
TVs generally seem to last an incredibly long time, people arent buying new TVs because they already have a good enough one. I picked 42inch lcd up during trashday a few years ago and it works just fine
Seems like only a small % of people actually upgrade their TV every few years

>>285800911
original DBZ Japanese
>i’m gonna rip his throat out and shit up his neck hole and out through his mouth

USA tv dub
>I’m gonna send him to the next dimension

vintage vhs fansub
>fuck zhao, I will fuck him the shit dead, fuck!

New Japanese version with modern sensibilities
>I’m gonna hit him and send him flying!

CR simulcast
>ayo imma skibidi up on they/them gyatt like Tung Tung Tung Sahur fr fr

It’s almost easier to just stop watching anime

>>285799790
>Being a fan takes effort.
lel retard

>>285800980
I have one that shuts down at POST because of one burned out backlight LED, I know how to fix it and have the parts but I’ve been putting it off because I really don’t want to fuck with soldering an LED ribbon cable
I hate soldering so god damn much

It's ancient history right now but besides metathreads about fansubs themselves, the big thing /a/ lost was livewatch threads. That was the big cultural casualty here as commercial subs took off.

>>285801534
a lot of the stuff /a/ used to have fun with mods ban indiscriminately, like the christmas stream.

>>285800359
And now official translations are just as bad. Yippee.

>>285799997
>Not a single anime this season where fansubs are your only option
Try watching more than shonenshit and isekai.

>>285801534
It can't be that ancient if I can remember watching the Gwitch splat live here. That said, I don't really want to remember all the time I spent using software as shitty as Keyhole.

>>285799997
fansub uploaders got hired by official companies

>>285800911
gg subs were always trash and I will not pretend to like them because of nostalgia

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>needing subs
you've been left behind

>>285801945
probably made them an offer they couldn’t refuse, in the old country way

>>285799790
>Being a fan takes effort.
>finding nyaa and tokyotosho
Big wow, much effort.

I made my own fansubs last year
Are you doing your part anon?

>>285802354
Zoomers don't even know how to navigate a file system now, let alone how to torrent or even use the command prompt.
So yeah, effort. It's not difficult, but we probably take a lot of our experiences growing up on early internet for granted.

anime fans:
>no you're not real og if you didn't watch these obscure shows
>only 5 shows watched this season? lmao
>you don't know those shows from 1970? you not a real fan
>and so on so forth
manga readers:
>hey i read this manga
>okay

manga > anime 99% of the time, if only because you anime secondaries are fucking cringe incarnates.

>>285800599
>most of the anime then are originals
this is objectively false and you are a dumb newfaggot

>>285800271
>machine trannylation with scripts rewritten by pink haired problemglasses whalewomen service
fansubs are the exact same thing, except they aren't getting paid

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>>285801969
I don't need subs because I've almost entirely given up contemporary anime

>>285802841
>no they're exactly the same
lamo the delusion

>>285802694
Think you'll find the difference is between ironicfag anime casuals and actual fans
Ironicfags are the ones saying shit like "yeah bro berserk is the only manga i like bro i mean it transcends the medium"

>>285799790
Only a few fansubs are any good. However the people that make good fansubs realized that isn't what anyone wanted and so naturally they were discouraged from making them. If you offer most of the people in this thread a sub that conveys what was actually said, or a complete mockery of it, I'd say about 9 out of 10 people are going to claim the one that defiles the original is better and the one that is mostly accurate is bad.
Nobody wants to subject themselves to the agonizing decisions of trying to make decent fansubs if nobody will appreciate it anyways. Why not just write something that reads pretty and keeps the keywords you know the audience will clap for? Its hard to even be mad at them honestly.

i'm trying to learn japanese so translator notes + culture notes would be appreciate desu

lowkey who gives a fuck

>>285803604
*rapes you*
oopsie poopsie, teehee

Uh what if I watch raws because I'm not a secondary?

>>285799899
What still gets fansubbed? Original translations are very rare now. Most uploads you see are just rips from official sites. If you're lucky they're acting like a fansub group and edit the official translations to "improve" them. At least with anime.

>>285804260
Sometimes shows get really bad official subs, for example disney burgerizations.
Also BD rips still get full original TL quite often.

>>285804293
>Also BD rips still get full original TL quite often.
Name 5 examples.

The butthurt replies you got almost instantly goes to show just how shit the modern community has become.

I've been releasing fansubs since the late 90s and I did two shows last year. My inbox is filled with people that appreciate the effort. They aren't vocal on places like /a/ (most probably don't know what /a/ is) or other communities because discussion about most of the stuff we release is banned. Where it isn't banned there is a group of fags like this guy >>285800359 always in a mod position or raiding with his friends to spread lies.

Last year some dumb faggot donned a vtuber persona and made a youtube video simply to shit all over our release and prove the CR one was better. The video was one lie after another and they cut off half the screen at one point to claim we didn't know what we were doing (it blocked a TL note). In another section they claimed a character said something they didn't because "I can hear her using the word". Yeah she used the word alright, she used it but used it in the context of "before" instead of "now" (it referred to an era of time).

We've even been blocked from nyaa multiple times because the people working for CR control that too. So now I always upload torrents to tosho and make sure I have a lot of seeds before I have a friend upload to nyaa. Since my own accounts have been banned over and over again for no reason. Thankfully, we have enough friends with old accounts that it'll be a few more years before they can ban them all.

Watching anime in the 90s was fun what with having to order VHSs of fansubs, tape trading and interacting with people through usenet, IRC and forums (later imageboards when they first came west). But I really don't want to go back to waiting 6-8 weeks for tapes to show up or having such a limited selection.

The community is shit just don't interact with it would be my advice. We lost the war long ago. There are too many idiots now to hold back the flood of cancer.

>>285804543
>The community is shit just don't interact with it would be my advice. We lost the war long ago. There are too many idiots now to hold back the flood of cancer.
Oh and in addition to this: It isn't just a problem in the west. Most of otaku spaces in Japan have suffered from the over commercialization and attempts to appeal to gaijin. Lots of anime today is censored even for domestic audiences and interesting stuff is being made at a snails pace now in favor of safe stuff they hope will appeal to gaijin and normalfags within Japan because they want to sell the merch. Gone are the days where we get 1980s OVAs made with love from animators being showered with free yen and cocaine. I do really miss it.

90s was amazing because we got such a flood of content all at once. In the west we got 3 decades worth of good stuff in the span of about 5 years.

The situation with CR is basically that all the fags that couldn't get into good fansub groups ended up banding together and starting CR to get back at the fansub groups. They knew it pissed everyone off that they were taking our releases and putting them on a website to make money. They're so hostile towards fansubbers today because they're bitter about not being let into the club back then. Instead of learning a useful skill or Japanese they showed up one day begging to be let into the club and when they got turned down they got angry and never let it go. I don't know how they managed to weasel their way into the industry but they did. So now you get people that can barely speak the language calling themselves translators and people that couldn't typeset or time doing the subtitles. You can tell they're shit at their job. Proof is in the pudding. I'm happy LLMs are going to cost most of them their jobs.

There will always be some people out there still willing to put in good effort for free. But a lot of us are busy being middle aged adults now. So I only have so much time to work on things.

>>285804638
People got jobs and moved on. Fansubbing was a hobby for college students, the underemployed, and neets. Also the whole thing was illegal--the more assets you have the more being a pirate seems unappealing.

Yeah it was fun at the time but you spent hours of unpaid labor on stuff you didn't particularly like. Fans, understandably wanted subs to come out fast. The quality did not matter. That problem is now solved. Don't let the stupid culture war distract you from that.

>>285804638
>90s was amazing
that's everything that needs to be said
i JUST had a conversation how 1990-2005/10 was pretty much a golden age of media and technology, imo. every day was fresh. everything was new and exciting. you looked forward to things.

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Probably generated

>>285804638
>Lots of anime today is censored even for domestic audiences
That already was the case in the 90s.
80s were far better.

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>>285804543
>>285804638
Have you finished working on Shikanoko yet? Full release when?

>>285801055
The "original DBZ Japanese" line would be the vintage VHS fansub line.

>>285804543
>discussion about most of the stuff we release is banned
SakuraCircle, is that you?

>>285799790
I agree, that anime has gotten worse since fansubs died.
No idea, if this is merely a correlation or if there is a causation involved, but it also cannot be denied, that Western (and Chinese) influence is a detriment to anime, which aligns pretty much with the start of "simulcasts" and official subs.
Japan should have created an own platform that broadcasts to the whole world instead.

I am subscribed to Downtown+ for example, even though they make it unnecessarily difficult to register for people abroad and even region-block some content.

>>285804638
>I don't know how they managed to weasel their way into the industry
They convinced a retarded VC techbro that they were the future of anime and were given a lot of money in a ZIRP economy. Many such cases!

>>285799814
They breed like rats, especially in the underground cities.

>>285802694
>only 5 shows watched this season? lmao
You got this one wrong. Very wrong. Both the so-called "anime elitists" and the so-called "anime tourists" actually share the view that you should only watch around 5 or so anime. The difference is that the "elitists" only watch their specific "true anime niche" content while the "tourists" will only watch the most high-profile battle-shounen and/or the top 5 of the seasonal popularity listings on MAL/anichart/livechart or such.
On the other hand if you watch more anime than that, the "elitists" will whine that you have no standards and are therefore a "tourist" while the "tourists" will say that only someone who is an "unemployed loser" would have enough time to watch so much anime.

>>285802387
i do, yes

>>285807572
I'm watching 15 anime this season. What am I?

https://www.centralanime.net/index2.html
these sites have soul...

>>285804962
>People got jobs and moved on. Fansubbing was a hobby for college students, the underemployed, and neets. Also the whole thing was illegal--the more assets you have the more being a pirate seems unappealing.
You are neglecting an important fact. The fansub community of the late 90s/early 2000s wasn't the only group that ever did this shit. It was a past time passed down from generation to generation of college students in the anime clubs. The hobby is very old going all the way back to the 1970s. It became something broke college students with access to the film club/computer lab could do for free in the 1980s-early 90s. Through the early 90s-mid 90s the next generation was able to do it with Amigas. Then from late 90s-early 2000s the next generation could do it with common PCs.

People were trading fansubs back in the mid-80s already on Beta and VHS. Once it became possible to make tapes cheaply the anime clubs all over the country were trading tapes and college students that got to go to Japan for a variety of reasons (mostly to learn the language) were sending back stashes of VHS, Beta and Laserdiscs to their friends back in the states. Who would then copy them and subtitle them. After that they'd be shown to the local anime club and you could buy a copy for yourself if you really liked the show. Which is how the club would get funds to purchase more raws and more blank tapes and computer equipment.

This unbroken chain of students going all the way back to the late 1970s was broken in the mid-2000s. By the same group of people claiming things were always shit now. This is also the same group that pushed out those horrible subtitles during the late-2000s-early-2010s. They point to their own garbage work and try to claim every fansub was like that. In reality, the vast majority of fansubs were higher quality than any official translation now or back in the day. People preferred the fansubs for good reason.

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>>285809306
The official subtitles and dubs have always been unbearable. These days you get censored by the studio stuff with horrible western translation that inserts identity politics and zoomer memes. Back in the day you got horrible censored by localizer video with horrible subtitles censored and dumbed down for average child in America. Where nothing sexual could be shown even a small panty shot. Same shit, different generation of faggots.

The anime clubs and the early digisub era was not like this at all. The "leechers" were grateful and were willing to wait for a good translation/release. The people doing the work were putting their heart and soul into it and tried to put out the best thing they could. You only started having an issue in the digisub era when the fags working at CR now got angry they weren't let in to quality groups and started pushing out horrible speed subs in an attempt to gain followers because all they ever cared about was getting attention. They are attention whores. They do what attention whores always do: ruin everything fun and make it about themselves instead of the hobby.

An average college student stays in school 4 years. Let's assume fansubbing really didn't take off until cheap VHS tapes and access to video editing hardware made it possible. Let's use 1985 as a starting year even though the US anime clubs had been around for years by that point.

Gen 1: 1985-1989
Gen 2: 1990-1994
Gen 3: 1995-1998
Gen 4: 1999-2003 (digisubs start here)
Gen 5: 2004-2008 (digisubs start going to shit around here)
Gen 6: 2009-2012

Gen 6 is debatable but that's when I'd peg the true death of otaku clubs to what we have today. That's 5-6 generations of club members. 4 generations if you want to exclude the tail end of the digisub era.

How did we go from that to what we have now? How do you go from an unbroken chain of 20 years of fansubbing to what we have today? It was killed on purpose. People that didn't fit in to the club killed it.

>>285809306
It was broken by streams being easily accessible for just about every show. Even the fastest fansubbers cannot compete with official streams being released at the same time as it airs in Japan--and how quickly a release came out is all the typical anime viewer cared about. First wins--regardless of quality.

Post streaming, it's a lot of work for almost no views. Who would want to do that?

> People preferred the fansubs for good reason.
The average fansub viewer wasn't qualified to make a determination. A lot of groups only had native English speakers or, god forbid, English as a Second language speakers. You really want someone who is a native Japanese speaker and has both lived in Japan or US and and native English speakers who did similar. You can cover somewhat with editors, translation checkers, QC, etc but all of that takes time and, once torrents launched, fansub viewers only cared about speed--not translation accuracy.

To be fair, they had no way to judge.

>>285809470
Note: I had to make 1999 a starting year for one generation. Since that is when digisubs first became possible. Everything before was realmedia rips of existing VHS releases. A lot of the early digisub stuff in xvid was as well. But 1999 is when you first started to see original stuff being released in digisub formats only.

There was a big split back then among the anime clubs and the internet clubs. Since a lot of anime clubs didn't want the hobby "escaping the lab". They claimed there would be a huge decline in quality if digisubs were allowed and it would bring too much bad attention. They weren't wrong. But a lot of this was simply tape outlets that had invested a lot of money into having a shitload of VHS decks going 24/7 becoming angry that their side business was suddenly going to be worth nothing.

To this day there are still groups that release as VHS only and they will refuse to send you new tapes if they find their stuff trading on p2p networks. One group in particular just made a new release after being dormant for over 18 years now.

In other words don't get too hung up on what years I split the generations up into. It's just supposed to be a rough guide and I'm excluding a good 10 years of history in the college anime clubs by not including the acientfags of the 70s. But that was before my time even through what I knew from word of mouth.

The problem was never the real fansubbing community. Its always been faggots attempting to profit off of it. Back in the 90s it was the people selling tapes outside of the club for profit. In the early 2000s it was faggots like CR putting up other people's work and trying to get money off google adsense. Now these same faggots have weaseled into the industry proper. What did they do the moment they got in? Start demanding censorship.

>>285809715
In my experience this is not true. All quality groups I was part of had someone that spoke Japanese as a second language or English as their second language and Japanese as their first. All groups I was involved with from the late 90s-mid 2000s had at least one person living in Japan providing higher quality raws so we didn't have to use terrible 60fps DivX files from nip p2p networks. All groups I was involved with encouraged the use of .torrent files and a bunch of us even helped develop the protocol and founded the first trackers. Most viewers in the early days of torrents would flat out refuse to watch a speed sub release or a release from a group that wasn't already well known. New groups had a horrible reputation for good reason. You had to earn your leechers back then. The IRC channels back then were highly active at all times and people were chatting a mile a minute the moment a new file his the DCC bots and torrent trackers.

Even today I get tons of email every day from people thanking us for putting out something that isn't garbage. Since for most stuff we subtitle we're the only option that isn't a terrible script from CR. A lot of times we're the only option all together. Since we focus on doing a lot of stuff that never got a proper release in the west and isn't up on streaming services because it's too risque.

People will wait for quality if they know quality is available. Which is why proper releases are kicked off of the major trackers now. There is a small group of people that have attempted to control what anime and manga people can and can not get access to through major outlets like nyaa. They aren't even subtle about it. They openly brag about the fact that they own websites like seadex and hold all the mod positions on major places like reddit, MAL and everywhere else people discuss and/or download anime. They watch /a/ like hawks to make sure they can stay on top of anything that happens to get posted here about these facts.

>>285809470
It's not the digital distribution of subs, that ended up being the nail in the coffin.
Digital distribution through xdcc on IRC and through torrents was still limited to a niché crowd.
In the end it was the legalization and casualization.

I mean realistically, about 80 percent of the /a/-crowd in "Gen 5" was an IT or CS professional already on the job or still in training.

>>285801055
more like
>CR simulcast
>ayo imma skibidi up on they/them gyatt like Tung Tung Tung Sahur fr fr.
>I can also spruce it up even further or keep it casual for readability. If you're ready to explore more ways to express this line let me know!

>>285808609
A casual. Come back when you watch 30.

>>285799790
We had joy we had fun we had seasons in the sun