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This one stars the game's best waifu, Roderika.

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>faith builds
ISHYGDDT

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<3

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Rare instance of Diallos being useful for literally anything.

4th best fromsoft

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>lanya was a cute tsundere tomboy who just wanted her master to act like a man
If it wasn't already easy to think Diallos sucked....

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>>287399322
I like Elden Ring's combat too much to go back to older Souls games.
Guard Counters, my beloved.

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qt3.14

this one is so much nicer and low cortisol than road to the erdtree

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>>287399485
I prefer this one, too.
It is why I started with it.
Road to the Erdtree can be a bit much, lol.

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A little trauma is good for the heart.
Keeps you honest.

>>287399169
He's great if you want an early bleed whip and don't feel like mucking about with the questline

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This series does have moments where the mangaka's talent shows through, beyond just being a spin-off adaptation of a game.

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Canonically confirmed that if you love Nepheli, you are for all intents and purposes, a homosexual.

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Adorable

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They suffer.

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Credit where it is due.

So which spirit ash was your favorite?
>i didn't use any
Unironically cheated yourself. They're one of the most fun parts of the game.

For me, it was Big Brother Oleg.

>>287399619
>the best thing about diallos is that he's easy to kill

>>287398891
>Elden Ring: Road to the Erdtree

I miss Bonfire NEET

>>287400507
I'm happy the guy found steady employment outside of making more axebait, at least.

>>287398891
Image kinda look like a guinea pig face from the thumbnail.

>>287398891
Did this start today? Do you have a link for the old ones if not?

>>287400093
My wife Tiche

>>287401623
Storytime's still virginal.

>>287400093
oleg was fun when i created a invader meme build to use Rellana's twin moons at level 40

>>287401908
The Twin Moons are better for invasions than PVE.
Players are easier to bait into corners where you can disco ball them to death.
Still a hard spell to use in the best of cases. ER has that issue where the cooler something looks, the less useful it usually is.

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>>287401743
My amazonian murderwife....

>>287400093
>So which spirit ash was your favorite?
Mine.

>>287400507
I miss the mosnter hunter manga

>>287400093
Tiche, the rabid dogs, the skeleton bandits, and of course, the golem from the DLC. That guy simply refuses to go down. But I've only ever tried a handful more of them.

>>287402948
Basically a form of masturbation.

>>287400093
radhan duo soldlers

>>287403564
Of which I'm an expert at

>>287403436
The Rot Dog, if you can keep him alive, is really fun.

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>>287399670
>Hewg's eyes look just just like Messmer's
>both bound to to Marika's unflinching will and command, through her seal.
>one ultimately lashes against their fate, doomed to his share of oblivion
>one reaches out a hand to help live with and move on with the help of others
>pic unrelated

>>287404106
The game trying to make you sympathize with Messmer never worked for me.
Dude was a total bitchy cunt.

>>287399196
>>287399215
D gets bonus points for being the one quest NPC that tells you exactly where to go and what to do to make him happy.

>>287398891
OOOOOOOOOOOOO ELDEN RING

>>287405419
I doubt you could even imagine it!

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>>287398891
Haven't seen this manga before, holy kino, that was so adorable and touching to read. Way better than the Road to the Erdtree one imo

>>287406317
Rya's chapters are some of the best things ever.

>>287400093
Bloodhound knight floh is a total bro

>>287398989
But black flame is cool!

>>287399775
literally me

>>287404497
The issue the lore focus a lot on his genocide over the horsent, if the item descriptions focused more on his good relationship with his army and how he managed to inspire such loyalty in many of them just by being a honorable guy, he wouldnt come out as such nagging person, but then again, who knows how he and his army have been left to rot in the land of shadows, he doesnt even know his mom is death.

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>>287406605
>Rya's chapters
picked up

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>>287406796
STR/INT is the only honest way to play Elden Ring.

>>287398891
Shit, I completely forgot about this. Or wait, there’s more than one manga? Double shit. Thanks, OP.

>>287400093
I mostly didn’t use any, but when I did I used Latenna. Fantastically effective at what she does while not just beating the game for me.

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>>287400093
Tiche's obvious, but I was also fond of Oleg, Latenna, Redmane Knight Ogha, Jellybean, and RATS RATS RATS

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>>287406992
fix her

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>>287408025
shes already perfect

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>>287399907
exploitable

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>>287398891
Ah, its the Elden Meshi thing.

>>287398891
I never actually beat elden ring. I beat all the other souls type games a few times but Elden Ring just doesn't click with me. I don't like the open world. It's too much of a commute. In the time it takes me to get anywhere I'd have already beaten a couple bosses in demons souls.

>>287409500
I prefer Elden Ring's format because I like being able to basically go at the game however I prefer and there is very little that is mandatory if you don't want to do it.
Even Demon's Souls' hub system still requires you to do Boletaria 1-1 to move on, and each world is linear within its progression. If I don't like a level, I still have to play it eventually to progress.
Elden Ring lets me say, "meh, I really don't want to do the Academy this time, so I won't", and not look back. Without having to do some shenanigans with Master Keys and the like.

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>>287409432
>laius and co. enter an elden ring dungeon
>leave after 30 minutes because the whole thing was two hallways and one falling spike trap

>>287409500
yea the open world gimmick is kinda eh and loses something like with Nioh 3. and DS2 had dual wielding weapons and a lightning sword but ER didnt add anything cool really

>>287409689
Not wanting to play the game and being able to not play the game aren't exactly good things. The game is just bloat. I don't like every area in souls but there's value to them being there.

>>287409917
Being able to choose is always a good thing.
Not many would willingly do 5-1/5-2 in DeS if they had a choice. Those levels just aren't very good.
No many would willingly do Lost Izalith in DS1 if they had a choice.

There's value in having the stuff in the game, every level is going to be someone's favorite. But the reality is that not everyone will like every level, at the same time. So there's a value in letting people choose what they play with and what they don't.
ER lets you choose what you want to do. Everything, the minimum, a CHYOA of the greatest hits, a thematic journey that you try to make a narrative out of, etc. You don't have to do everything and you don't have to go through various backdoor skips to avoid areas you dislike (like the common skip through the Valley of the Drakes to avoid the Capra Demon and Blight Town), you can just avoid the places you don't like with few exceptions.

I should get around finishing this, i dropped it after getting Liurnia done.

>>287398891
Couldn't they have made a serious one?

>>287410051
>Being able to choose is always a good thing.
Not if means 90 percent of the game is pure fluff. It means the game itself is basically anemic. Choosing to play video games at all is a choice so why play one that's so pointless.

>>287409500
Understandable and the reason I prefer the other games. There's a good amount of quality dungeons and boss fights there, but it gets diluted by the long treks between each. On repeated playthroughs, you spend more time on your horse than fighting. I'd rather get a tighter experience.

Still, it's well worth beating once.

>>287410386
Calling it fluff for giving you a choice on whether you want to engage with any given dungeon's content or not is a silly term.
Stringing it together in a very pretty overworld instead of a hub that you teleport out from is not a bad thing. It does not take very long to traverse Elden Ring's map if you're just aiming to get around quickly.

>>287410448
If I get a game and intentionally skip most of it I feel like I only cheated myself. I'm not a 100 percent completion by any stretch but still.

>>287410481
Having a choice between what you want to do on a given playthrough and intentionally skipping everything are different things.
Not being forced to do something is not equivalent to you then choosing intentionally to skip it all.

Nothing ever forces you to go to Nokron, for example. You can just ignore the impact site and keep playing all the same.
It is a choice whether you want to go there or not. Which means that you can skip it if you don't want to do it this playthrough or you want to save it for a later one. That is not the same as cheating yourself.
Having the ability to bypass things is not the same as being compelled to bypass them.

>>287410557
Picking between a knight and a pyromancer is a choice. Choosing to neglect entire chunks of the game is just cheating yourself. There's stuff in Souls that's OPTIONAL but it's extra fun to have. Elden Ring is a chore.

>>287410580
Let me ask you this -
DS3 is the most linear of the Souls games with the greatest number of roadblocks that force you to complete almost all the game's main content to progress (with a small number of optional fights or areas) in a set order.
Do you believe an average DS3 playthrough is the most 'honest' in terms of you not having the option to cheat yourself out of experiencing all the game you bought?

Where by comparison, DS2 or Elden Ring would have the most potential for one to cheat themselves out of experiencing the game they paid for?

>>287410688
Ds2 still falls under the same umbrella as the other ones. Stuff is optional but the world isn't such a gigantic commute that it's a chore to go out of the way to get to it.

>>287410448
>Stringing it together in a very pretty overworld instead of a hub that you teleport out from is not a bad thing. It does not take very long to traverse Elden Ring's map if you're just aiming to get around quickly.
Eh, hoofing around the map on Torrent isn't really a negligible amount of travel time. Even if you're speedrunning the early game, ER chews through time a lot more than the other games.

>>287410924
Souls games are some of my quick get in get out unwind games. That it takes so long to get hoofing is really a drag.

>>287398891
>Elden Ring: Road to the Erdtree
When is that one coming back from the hiatus?

>>287400093
None, because summons don't adhere to my lone warrior chuuni aesthetic.

>>287410924
I like hoofing around.
OoT's title screen altered my brain chemistry forever.

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>>287409432

>>287411531
That happened a long time ago.

>>287399716
YOU'RE A HOMOSEXUAL!

>>287412103
Is it still ongoing last time I read it was during the radahn fight?

>>287411734
Your lone wolves?

>>287412180
Latest ch is 81, came out like 8 days ago.

>>287398891
why are all the from games official mangas comedy?

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>>287400093
>So which spirit ash was your favorite?

>>287412226
My chuuni larp only allows one animal companion.
Torrent has already taken the spot of emotional support animal.

>>287399986
Best girl.

>>287404106
>one ultimately lashes against their fate, doomed to his share of oblivion
Don't forget how he's still gonna have to live on as an ugly snakeman according to his item descriptions.
>>287406877
>how he and his army have been left to rot in the land of shadows, he doesnt even know his mom is death.
They only vaguely know the Elden Ring got fucked even. Shame that they cut the part about Miquella ending the land of shadows' isolation out.

>>287412234
Lot to look forward to then!

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>>287400093
I ended up not really liking the spirit ashes, it feels too cheesy when the boss just doesn't pay attention to you for half the fight
I did a necromancer playthrough with the skellies though, that was kinda cool even if the revive gimmick rarely works lategame when everything shits out constant AoEs

Art almost looks like Kui's. Did the artist work as an assistant on Dungeon Meshi or something?

>>287398989
...
...
...Laios?

>>287399322
what's the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd best?
If you include bloodborne in any of that, you're a certified retarded, just shut the fuck up.

I really like elden ring. The map is bloated but there's a lot to fight and a lot to collect if you're into that. The art direction is also stunning, it's one of the best looking games of the 2020s. My one wish is that they had drip as good as Lapp's set.

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>>287412286
There is a tonally serious manga adaptation, but it is told in a webtoons vertical format and I have no idea how to post that on /a/.

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Ranni doko?

>>287412695
https://haruichithm.wixsite.com/0000/about
According to the artist's website, their career got going in 2016/17, with a focus on contract work for official adaptations of various media properties, but they worked as an assistant for some years before that.
Dungeon Meshi started in 2014, so the timeline is a bit tight, but Haruichi potentially could have worked with Kui as an assistant before moving on.

>>287414004
Elden Ring is a marvel for how they're able to push texture and model quality that is PS4 tier as far as they did, to the point that you hardly notice that the game can run on old hardware just fine because the art direction makes up for it.
I play Elden Ring on a GTX1070, and outside of the wickermen in the DLC, I rarely have noticeable performance drops. They really handled that aspect well. And because they focused on art direction over banal realism, the game just looks great despite the light load.

>>287412103
>it happened an age ago

>>287400093
Bigmouth Imp. And Mimic to buttfuck Radahn 2.0, terrible boss deserved it

>>287400093
>So which spirit ash was your favorite?
dungeater
>fat so he can take a lot of hits
>can bleed the enemy
>has a ranged spell if hes too stupid to reach the enemy
>he is an awful person so being turned into a marionnette is a good punishment

>>287400093
i only used the mimic against the mimic and melania

>>287415669
Is there a more appropiate end for that bastard?

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Elden Ring has ruined my gaming life, I cracked 1,100 hours the other day and keep making new runs with the randomizer mod, and I've gotten into basic param modding with Smithbox. When I'm not playing ER it's a couple sessions of Nightreign.

>>287416816
After playing so much Elden Ring and some Silksong, I decided to give Zelda Breath of the Wild a go and it feels super weird to play a game that feels welcoming and helpful and not like its trying to fuck me over or dick me around.
I keep doubling back through shrines or locations looking for some hidden stuff that I missed that will be super necessary and things like that.

>>287416451
I just kill him in the sewers.

>>287410745
If you start backtracking or doing anything but just progressing forwards in something like DS1, you can easily burn a good few hours of just walking before you get the Lord Vessel.
DS2 boosts you up a bit with teleportation from the start. But people criticize that in turn.

>>287410688
DS2 gave you a good reason to go through NG+ to find everything you missed plus extra like stronger rings and fun pvp so i felt like you got more game out of it

>>287417548
I think every shrine except the tests of strength have one "hidden" chest, but that's it. Usually it's just a generic weapon or a gemstone or something like that. I think the divine beasts have a few chests but there's nothing essential in them either because you get locked out once you beat them.

>>287415669
He also does a decent bit of posture damage. I never used him before, but I went out of my way to pick him up in my most recent playthrough. I happened to be using a bleed build and that fucker put in some serious work. Absolutely raped the golden hippo.

>>287417548
>I keep doubling back through shrines or locations looking for some hidden stuff that I missed
For shrines, you can check on the map whether you got all chests. If there's a treasure chest next to it on the map screen, you found everything.

>>287409809
Bro... your guard counters, your poise breaks on all bosses, your jumps, your actually useful skills?

>>287417548
As many people say, one of the nice things of elden ring is the sense of actual discovery for finding stuff, but at times, yes, that can be tiresome since it kinda creates a sense of paranoia of "did I truly fond everything?" And unlike a game like breath of the wild, you can miss really good stuff in elden ring. Breath of the wild is more forgiving since a lot of those chest are just mid tier weapons that you can anywhere or ruppies, so ething you as a player wont really hurting for missing, no even a collector thing, wince you can find the weapon elswhere

>>287419221
different strokes different folks. i was more hoping for fleshing out bows and crossbows to not be a chore to use or transforming into a mimic or soul item to bait and eat players or a way to get extra arms for quad weapons or a MK scorpion style hookshot or hand to hand combat being viable or play as the snakemen from sens fortress

>>287418040
Really makes you think who was crazy enough to JUST trap the dung eater in the sewers
>A well know, feared and despised criminal
>Already put to death once for his abhorrent crimes
>Revives
>They still manage to capture him
>Instead of killing him again they trap him into the sewers, no just throw him there like a omen, but bind him to a chair and put him on a remote cell
>He can still project himself to go around killing people
Whoever trap him AGAIN wasnt a smart person.

>>287398891
Thank you, OP.

>>287420554
The Golden Order is fine with slavery, is fine with genocide, is fine with exile, but capital punishment is too far.

>>287420554
>>287421872
For all we know Dung Eater also kept coming back to life due to grace, so locking him in the deepest shithole might have been the best they could do.

>>287421949
It is entirely possible that Marika (or Grace if it has a sense of self-awareness) detected the potential for the Dung Eater to make a Great Rune and left him alive because of that. That kind of potential is rare in the world and not many have it. Useful for her/the system.

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>>287398891
Glad to see the thread is still around, I hate making new threads.

Today we get the Himbo chapters.

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Everyone's best friend on their first playthrough.

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H E R
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What a life.

>>287399435
Don't do it! She's gonna take your hp!

>>287399737
So can Corhyn actually see through the blindfold? I thought the whole idea was that he was guided by faith and all that.

>>287400093
I'm surprised no one's mentioned my man Deenh.

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My man Big Boggart found something beyond Lordship.

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Gary, Indiana.

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Part 2
Its a real doggy dog world.

>>287423396
Marika's Tits are worth swearing over.

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Once you find out about the cut merchant questline, you'll never stop wanting to beat Hidetaka Miyazaki to death with your bare hands.

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>>287424074
They're the real reason her religion was so successful.

>>287420554
He's blessed by Grace (that's why he's in the intro). If he's killed he'll just come back again

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Placidusax did nothing wrong.

>>287423277
Imagine all the scraps and juices that run down his chin under the helmet where he can't reach. That's gonna be so uncomfortable.

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Poor Hyetta
You'll save her, right?

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A free lunch is a free lunch....

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Just chillin'

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Credits

Show of hands, which of you got our Crabbro killed by the PeepeePoopoo Man when you played?
Which of you killed him so you could steal Braggarts Roar or speedrun with the Iron Balls?

>>287424407
lewd

>>287424407
I assume he takes the helmet off every once in a while to clean up. He has to, right?

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Posting best girl

>>287424373
https://youtu.be/fYQymTYRtGs?si=1QHI-ASEVuZruyDM

>>287424981
Thanks OP
Which are some good gourmet manga?
Already read Dungeon Meshi and Golden Kamuy

>>287426151
Boku no Pico

>>287421949
>>287424241
Imagine the genuine horror of his captors
>The LOATHSOME Dungeater has come to life once again
>They hunt him down and put him to death
>He revives
>Maybe we didnt kill him right last time and he is a sturdy bastard
>Kill him again
>He revives again
>Keep killing him
>He keeps standing up
>Every time you wait for him to revive or he is acting death and is projecting himself killing people and defiling their souls or just sitting there talking about how he will defile you once he is free
>You know this isnt a joke or just an angry prisioner talking shit

I pity the guards that had to deal with him when he revived.

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>>287424102
>the cut merchant questline

>>287426151
Sweetness and Lightning is kinda the classic if you want comfy basic cooking.
I liked this short one, Samenai Machi no Kissaten, a few years ago. Slightly better quality cooking than the basic stir fries or fantasy tarts that would never work that you often see.

>>287424981
I never got him killed, because I never found out how to free caca consumer and during my second playthrough where I did look stuff up I just avoided him getting killed.

>>287424102
The cut merchant stuff and the unexplored Godskin lore will always be sore points about elden ring for me. The merchant stuff woyld have been great conplement to the frenzy flame lore, specially as the origin or at least the reason the frenzy flame is on the lands between assuming like all other gods, its origins is something from space, and the godskin just feel like a really important thing that was left unused, you gonna tell me there is some cult that used to have access to the rune of death and would hunt "gods" to skin them, while Marika is the one and only true god and her childs are all demigods, sounds like a group dedicated to hunt her family down and remember the wandering mausoleoms are said to carry the corpse of Marika unwanted kids, so maybe some of those were killed bybthe godskins? add that their leader was an empyrian herself before Melenia and Mikela that has been active almost as long as Marika, yeah sounds like they were building to create a genuine rival to Marika but then cut it short, the DLC having nothing about them or the gloam eye queen was really dissapointing.

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>>287426682
Hungry girl

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>>287426672
>crestfallen warrior voice
There are actually two cut merchant questlines, heh heh heh.

Both link to Frenzy, but in slightly different ways.
One involved the player collecting St. Trina's dream opium that the Merchants would imbibe to help them ward off Frenzy at it consumed their minds and made them psychically merge together in a strange way. The song the Merchants play was intended to be a lullaby to ward off Frenzy.
The second, was dedicated to Kale in specific. Where you'd collect messages for him sent by other merchants that would lead him on and on through the world, into Leyndell and eventually all the way down through the Shunning Grounds, where he'd see all the dead merchants and the doors of the Three Fingers and go mad from rage.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK_8F_XwLaE
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cljs4UTdT8
Both notably have very strong vocal performances.

>>287424767
What if, assuming you dont free Dung eater and have this guy killed, he opens a crab restaurant on Lyndell under the PC protection once he becomes elden lord? You cant rule with a empty stomach.

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>>287427091
I remember an interview where Miyazaki said that Godskins were meant to represent the ambition of mankind vs the gods, so it sucks even more that they ended up pretty underexplored.
At least EVERYONE can agree that Melina was the Gloam Eyed Queen.

>>287424767
I don't know what I expected after the Roderika chapter, but it wasn't a cooking arc!

>>287428760
The Putrescent Knight was apparently supposed to be related to them at some point, according to his name in the files (GloamEyedKnight). Instead, we got "putrescence", a superfluous concept.

>>287428760
>I remember an interview where Miyazaki said that Godskins were meant to represent the ambition of mankind vs the gods
You telling me the godskin could have been a "fuck the elden ring" ending? Frenzy Flame still uses the erdtree to spread its flame, a godskin ending could easily be one where the ring is never mended but fully destroy, allowing nature and life to proceed as normal without the impose control of the ring, like when on dark souls you let the flame go out

>>287428760
>At least EVERYONE can agree that Melina was the Gloam Eyed Queen

Not really, unless you use a very vague definition. A lot of people don't believe she was literally her, but some variation of reincarnation, having her power, assuming her role etc etc.

>>287429636
>>287427091
My personal theory regarding the Godskin after the DLC introduced the existence of Divine Beasts is that the Godskins in the beginning were just hunting those, and only pivoted on humanoid demigods after Marika exterminated them both as revenge and as the only kind of gods remaining.

>>287424981
Thanks for another kino storytime, OP
I incidentally found out on my first playthrough what releasing the fetid feces feaster does to Broggart and was really sad. Iron balls were never of much interest to me, so in the subsequent playthroughs I tried my best to avoid the poopoo questline, or just immediately killed the stool man for his sword. Boggart is truly the one NPC worth fighting for.

>>287431004
You can also just wait to buy Boggart stuff until after you did the Dungeater quest. He doesn't move to Leyndell until you do.

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>>287429636
>https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2019/06/09/hidetaka-miyazaki-and-george-rr-martin-present-elden-ring/
>https://www.polygon.com/e3/2019/6/9/18659098/elden-ring-details-e3-2019-hidetaka-miyazaki-interview-fantasy-rpg/
>Wilkinson: What can you teach us about the character shown in the concept art that was released?
>Miyazaki: We chose this character because of his eccentric aspects as well as the way he portrays the darkness that the world and story possess. While Elden Ring may be a classic dark fantasy title, it is more than just that. This character also represents one more theme in addition to the previously mentioned eccentricity. That theme is the will, or ambition of mankind.
Yeah, there was some philosophy to the Godskins that we lost over the course of development.

>>287424981
>Show of hands, which of you got our Crabbro killed by the PeepeePoopoo Man when you played?

It actually happened the opposite. In the sense that the Giant Death Crab that spawns when you fight the Dungeater managed to kill both the Dungeater and me. Boggart was still chilling in Liurnia.

>>287431112
A cut version of the dialogue used during the burning of the Erdtree suggests that the player would have used blackflame to burn the Erdtree rather than the Giants' flame of ruin. It also helps to bridge Melina's connection between fire and destined death.

>>287424981
>which of you got our Crabbro killed by the PeepeePoopoo Man when you played?
I shanked the CacaConsumer immediately after opening his cell in the sewers.

>>287431321
I still don't understand why they changed stuff like this. The game is full of things that scream retconning in production or cut content. Like Iji's death, or who the fuck is the body in the cocoon in Mohg palace if Miquella's body is in the Land of Shadow.

>>287430509
I think that there is a link between the Godskins and Hornsent.
The Godskin Peeler has a big spiral point, the Godskin Stitcher has a spiral hilt, the Godslayer's Greatsword is made around a spiral.
I don't know if the imagery is intended to be linked or if it was just accidentally so. It makes the lack of clear reference in the DLC so that you could concretely demarcate where the Godskin stuff separated out from everything else more clearly annoying.

>>287431541
The Godskin have clearly some kind of crucible connection, which is more visible on the Nobles having animal features. Now if they are supposed to have it or it was something that got changed from a lore standpoint and they just let all the design clues because the models were already done it's anybody's guess.

>>287425430
Pretty sure it's locked on. He was a prisoner.

>>287431525
>I still don't understand why they changed stuff like this. The game is full of things that scream retconning in production or cut content.
I'd really like to know. People love to say "they cut it for a reason" when you point to cut content, but sometimes, it just fills gaps and explains things so much more neatly than whatever slapdash job we were left with.

>>287431792
Unfortunately I think the reason is that they have understood that if they explain things clearly then the amount of speculation and talking is reduced so sometimes they just muddle the waters to create engagement.

>>287423318
>>287423361
Finally a use for Arterria leaf

>>287429636
Isn't that basically Ranni's ending?

>>287400093
I loved the Greatshield Gang

>>287431525
every from game is

>>287427097
Go forth, anon, and find a teenage girl to feed.

>>287400093
giant scorpion for the pure size

>>287424981
>Show of hands, which of you got our Crabbro killed by the PeepeePoopoo Man when you played?
I've been burned by letting lunatics out of their cells before, so I killed him on sight since he was already talking about killing me and cursing the whole world.

>>287433262
>man exercises his free speech rights
>anon butchers him
So much for tolerance.

>>287427128
I always wondered why the merchants used frenzied attacks

>>287433362
Send your complaints to Yurt, the Silent Chief.

Needs more fanservice

>>287424102
The merchants' song is still my favorite bit of Elden Ring's sound track. Midra's is a close second. Fuck them for aborting the merchant kino.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M62pYatbyHo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHwLbyDlqG0

>>287433967
The first time I made it down through the Shunning Grounds and past Sewer Mohg, I really just had to take my hands off the controller and just sit there for a few minutes listening to the song.
Really an incredible location.

>>287432201
Ranni's ending isn't breaking it, its taking the ring and running off to space saying "I'll chill up here while you all fight and scramble for power until you learn to live without gods".
Where you're still relying on Ranni's fiat to not fuck things up or monkey with the admin codes for reality.

>>287423406
>>Don't do it! She's gonna take your hp!
>hug woman
>she steals your vril
What did they mean by this?

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>>287424373
>just casually toodling through Stormveil
Security really got lax after Godrick bit it, huh?

>>287424451
>You'll save her, right?
My first playthrough I did Liurnia before Weeping Peninsula, so I never met her. I was really confused when my friends started talking about her.

>>287398891
Wrong manga
Where's the real manga

>>287423570
I wish there's more food in this game

>>287435654
>Where you're still relying on Ranni's fiat to not fuck things up or monkey with the admin codes for reality.
My wife would never do that, because she is too busy cuddling with me on the moon.

>>287431792
I wouldn't be too surprised if some amount of the lore is designed by committee. Fully implemented quests getting cut could be just voted out because some of the writers didn't like it.

>>287424981
Killed the Shit Slurper right then and there after getting him out of his jail. I will not trust any scatfags ever. I was elated when I found out I saved prawn guy by doing that.

>>287437541
It's more that FromSoft shuffles a lot of assets around during development and the lore is made up after the fact.
Nepheli and Diallos/Jar Bairn were clearly suffering from time constraints and only finished after release. At the same time, someone on the team decided that Kale shouldn't be moving around for whatever reason. When you think of Vyke's cut content and him being on the cover art, you get the feeling the Frenzied Flame used to have a larger presence, which seems to have been an intentional choice. But there's no way to know if it was for story direction or development constraints.

I'm glad all the GEQ stuff got cut from the game. Fuck lorefags, nobody cares. Been playing souls since DS1 and never read a single item description beyond the stats.

>>287431321
That feels more thematic since the black flame comes from the rune of death, but I guess as the black flame took a step back, the frenzie flame took over as the alternative way to burn the erdtree

>>287437813
I don't really think any of their Souls games have had 'healthy' dev cycles since maybe Demon's Souls.
Every other Souls game bears some clear evidence of being hacked together at the last minute based on a lot of disparate assets.
I think that this bothers people that like Souls games more than most fanbases, because if you care about the plot of any of these games, you're really putting a ton of trust in Fromsoft that what is there is intentional.

Like Skyrim probably has more cut or rearranged content in it than most Fromsoft games just on account of how big it is and how much stuff is in it that obviously was going to be rearranged constantly as devs adjusted for balance. But Skyrim has a clear storyline to it and it isn't afraid to share it at length and in detail. You'll absolutely know what the vision of what finally made it to release was meant to be, at least for the most part. No matter how messy it was in development.
For Souls games, because the plots are intentionally ambiguous, players have to trust that most details associated with some plot point or person that we don't know everything about are intentional and can be used to interpret what the greater picture of everything is. Because otherwise there is very little explicit narrative or information to work from. You have to trust that names, designs, equipment, item placement, scenery, etc. mean something.
But this means that once players find the limits of their ability to trust that what is in the game that they played was intentionally staged for them to interpret to some degree of accuracy to a greater artistic vision, that it generates a lot more controversy than it would in other fanbases.

>>287432201
Ranni ending is taking the elden ring and give it to the moon outer god, hoping that with the moon far away influence (no direct and meddling like the greater will) will allow the people in the lands between to move on from the golden order and work themselves for a better world under the guidance of the moon.

>>287433432
Since when has FROM properties be know for fanservice?

>>287438259
Demon's Souls was famously saved from development hell by Miyazaki restructuring it into the Souls design philosophy we know today. But it is one of the most coherent lore-wise thanks to the simple scope and structure.
The gaps in the lore are the most noticeable in Elden Ring because of how many figures were involved in the story and how large the game is. And with many Demigods and other figures still being alive and reasonably sane, it doesn't even feel like the same kind of millenia long post-apocalypse of Dark Souls, despite everything being in ruins. You get the feeling the player character should be able to learn far more about "recent" history.

>>287438241
Frenzied flame =\= Flame of Ruin

Ranni's a horrible person and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.

>>287400093
Latenna, Florissax, and Jolán and Anna

>>287438617
The only ones pretending otherwise are her simps

>>287398891
>countdown for the Tarnished Edition
wait, that shit is actually coming out? is there a date?

>>287439911
No but Switch 2 pre-orders sre up.

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>>287439395
I like her because she is evil not despite it.

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>>287439395
>she killed her brother
So fucking what? If that loser was still alive I'd kill him for souls too. Just like I killed all of her other relatives.
You know how many brothers I've killed over the course of the game?

>>287398959
>game's best waifu, Roderika
Those are fighting words OP

>>287440531
Brothers? Like two and a half brother. The rest has no blood relation but I guess we could add Blaidd to the list since he might as well be family. I guess you killed her aunt too.

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>>287440957
Everyone knows the truth so there's no need for anyone to argue

>>287440331
Its crazy that Rellana didn't get a cutscene or any hype despite being arguably the best fight of the DLC.
At least her boss weapon was really cool. One of two actual INT/FTH options in the game.

>>287441198
>or any hype
The hype she did get was confined to the implication that her twin move spell made that massive crater you go through to reach Bonny Village.

>>287441288
Issue there is that it came after her boss fight and is almost told as innuendo instead of being signposted like "holy shit, this chick bombed a 300 deep hole into this place, get ready to be assraped".

>>287438332
I think Demon's Souls being a trainwreck gave it an easier development than later games because there wasn't any pressure to release it ASAP.
Dark Souls was already super hyped at Fromsoft before its release and there was a lot of pressure to get it out the door soon. DS2 literally started development before DS1 even released, they were that committed to it.

>>287438284
>gwynevere
Boobs
Tits, even

>>287442106
They had a lot more freedom with it to do stupid shit that seemed cool to them like world tendencies. It's why every game since has been Demon Souls with features stripped out

I fucking wish the actual ER game was 1/10 as fun to follow as this manga in terms of story

>>287441198
>Its crazy that Rellana didn't get a cutscene or any hype despite being arguably the best fight of the DLC.
That's because the entire SOTE was incredibly half-assed and unfinished.

>>287442762
Not that guy but I'm still seething about it. I'm never buying another fromsoft product without the dlc released again.

>>287442818
As SOTE and nightrein dlc shows, they can absolutely half ass DLCs now and still sell gangbusters
A tragedy since once they released some of the best DLCs in the whole medium

>>287442762
I wouldn't call a DLC that is like 60-70% the size of an already huge base game half-assed.
Like they could have almost released the DLC as Elden Ring 2, and people would have accepted it.

>>287442940
Old Hunters and Ringed City are so good.

>>287443059
It has the size, but it doesn't have the quality. Giant open spaces as featureless and empty as Mountaintops. Universally weak dungeon design, Belurat is a narrow hallway in particular with barely anything to really explore. Abhorrent trash like abyssal woods is inexcusable in particular, especially when midra manse itself is by far the most pathetic "dungeon" fromsoft has ever created. 3 copypasted dragons, a shit ton of copypasted mobs from the base game littering the map, entire locations with nothing but the base game mobs in general like charo's hidden grave. Each new mob is reused a billion times until you grow tired of even seeing them.
Hell even in terms of gear it was half assed. Beyond 3-4 standouts like light greatsword and backhand blades, the dlc weapon design was a sharp downgrade from ringed city and old hunters weaponry.

>>287443227
Belurat is mediocre, but the Shadow Keep is great, the pot dungeons and catacombs are great, and Enir Ilim has amazing spectacle on its side.
Stuff like Messmer's Soldier's Spear or the Black Steel Great Hammer or the Bloodfiend's Arm or the kungfu, rapidly became some of my favorite weapons in any Fromsoft game.

>>287443295
Shadow Keep is as bad as Belurat. I praise them for trying something new with the way it was integrated into the overworld, but the individual quality of environments almost feels like a mod, individual chunks of SK are all repetitive as fuck and very lacking in interesting level design. You can just compare it with the Research Hall from BB to see how bad and linear the Specimen Storage feels in comparison. The sunken part of the shadow keep in particular feels completely half assed, filled with repeating assets and lacking proper rewards for exploration.
Messmer's spear is just a shorter treespear, both blacksteel and bloodfiend arm are only strong stat wise but not unique in terms of moveset. Compare it to the ringed knight weaponry or crow quills.

>>287443414
Unlike the Research Hall, the Shadow Keep has engaging enemy design and good aesthetics, and you underrate how it acts as an axis mundi and how fun that makes navigation when you never know where you're getting popped out.

A weapon doesn't have to be anime-styled to be interesting or fun to use.
Those weapons are appealing because they're well designed to be all killer no filler or gimmicks. Things like the kungfu or Rellana's swords or the cirques are wacky and weird, but they're not really interesting to me in the same way that a good solid weapon that was clearly well thought out in terms of fitting into the game's systems would be.

>>287443504
>Unlike the Research Hall, the Shadow Keep has engaging enemy design and good aesthetics
Nigga what
Research Hall is literally one of the most atmospheric fromsoft locations. It's Latria 2.0 full of creepy sounds and weird designs, it actually feels like a research facility made by madmen. It also has several enemies unique to this area and their design is batshit insane, hell RE9 stole one of the enemy types.
Shadow Keep has 2 enemies from DLC, and only 1 enemy type is actually unique to it. The rest is filler trash like bats, crabs and two tree spirits. You know shit is badly undercooked when a miniboss of the area is just a fire knight with 1 more attack.

>A weapon doesn't have to be anime-styled to be interesting or fun to use.
It's a good thing DS3 dlc weapons were unique without all of them being anime styled. There's virtually nothing as cool as millwood axe for axes in the DLC. Hell compare milldwood greatbow with its bazooka projectiles to the Igon's greatbow which doesn't even have anything unique going for it.
In fact the DLC is even worse when it tries to make an "anime" moveset, Star-Lined Sword is one of the biggest disappointments in the DLC.

>>287443699
Just being creepy isn't all that interesting to me.
Because the Fire Knights are very engaging to fight and have great movesets and weaknesses.
They're good enemies because you could stand in a void and have fun fighting them.
The Research Hall doesn't have that. Ambiance is worth whatever its worth, but good combat is priceless.

>>287443226
>ringed city
The best of times, the worst of times.
Why would they make half the map a damn swamp?

>>287410448
As a result of allowing the player to do whatever, they have to account for the player doing whatever, which is almost always done poorly.

>>287445322
There's someone at From with a fetish for swamps. Just be glad they didn't let him make it poisonous again.

>>287445322
>>287445413
Isn't it Miyazaki himself? I believe he spoke about this in interviews.

>>287442197
My point, just one girl, that was even a illusion, you could even make the argument she looked like that for appeal as part of the illusion.

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>>287431867
I get the idea
You reach 95%, and then reshuffle the assets to fill the last gap.
Or you make some related models, and it makes more sense to reshuffle them.

The problem is that when more and more is unfinished, it starts looking really strange to axe entire questlines, or you move finished content in to proxy unfinished content.
And then it starts getting strange....
Iji is killed by... something else than the Fingers assassin ganksquad? And why the particle effects? Which is made even weirder by still having the NPC invader cosplaying as Blaidd in the same questline moment, and the Ever Goal stuff with Blaidd.
GEQ is most likely intentionally suppose to be a missing gap, but why rearrange her followers and items?
All the Peepeepoopooman and St Trina stuff is moved to the DLC? Except parts are kept?
The DLC gets so feature crept they end up settling for Radahn using large swats of the Pontiff moveset.
Both 90% finished merchant questlines get cut, but we still get Shabriri?? Shabriri is still a good 10/10, but why?

The reason its so baffling, is because it seems the concept art is carefully planned out, which is why there is so much consistency in the iconography and architecture.

>>287445551
>you could even make the argument she looked like that for appeal as part of the illusion
Don't know about that. We see paintings of her that, as far as I remember, don't look much different.
But we know that Gwynevere's tits are only as big as they are because the designer working on her really, really wanted them to be, and Miyazaki didn't want to break the guy's heart and didn't refuse him.
Which is baffling because I remember reading that Miyazaki wanted her to be a giant mommy character, but then he had to be convinced to give her big tits? What a hack.
>>287445578
Just once, I'd love to see a properly written Word of God outline for one of these games, just to see how right or wrong all the community speculation is.

>>287445797
>Just once, I'd love to see a properly written Word of God outline for one of these games, just to see how right or wrong all the community speculation is.

While the missing information and openesz to interpretation of the DS and sibling games is part of the appeal, I too wish for a game lile that at least once, more of a experiment to see how could they write a game with a more clear cut and defined story, will people like it? Will the story be good? Or the characters likeable? It would be better if the base game has some vagues parts that are all clarified in the dlc.

>>287423698
Gary is scary.

>>287445505
Yes. The funny thing is that he said that it was mostly done subconsciously, and then he saw all the memes people made about him loving poison swamps and he realized that yes, he absolutely loves poison swamps

>>287445876
Sekiro. You are talking about Sekiro.