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I don't disagree with this unless your job is a nature documentary film maker as by the very definition of your work you are meant to observe nature as it unfolds

>>5022879
Sea turtle populations can be recovered almost immediately. Literally within like a year to a decade because they produce so many offspring and you can actually choose which sex they mature into. They're very easy to care for too. And the claims of them not being able to find their spawning grounds is fucking bullshit that's totally fabricated. But government agencies will actively prevent anyone from doing so, because all so-called environmental or animal protection agencies under the jurisdiction of the United States government work for lobbying groups and fishing companies, specifically shrimp trawlers HATE sea turtles, because they significantly impacts their profits.

>>5022881
That's also bullshit. Humans have so significantly impacted every single animal on this planet that there is no "just observing". If you're not helping, you're actively harming at this point. And you'll notice, all these faggots that always claim you should only observe, only believe this when an animal is being harmed or killed. Nobody ever says that anyone should interfere to help animals, if their actions are directly harming them or their ecosystems, in which case you're not a neutral party anyway - you're already causing damage. The net result of this, of course, is the total destruction of Nature and animals. Corporations actively want animal extinctions because endangered species severely hurt their profits.

>>5022914
If I am watching a nature documentary and they tranq a lion everytime it tries to kill something I would be pissed

>>5022879
>We need to decrease plastic pollution because le turtles are DYING!
>NONONONONOOO YOU CAN'T JUST PROTECT THE TURTLES MAKING THEIR WAY TO THE OCEAN THE SKY RATS THAT CAN SURVIVE OFF LITERAL GARBAGE WILL HECKIN STARVE TO DEATH!
It's all so tiresome.

>>5022879
Doing that would undo hundreds of years of evolutionarily selecting for luck

>>5022931
how would that undo anything

>>5022941
It would allow unlucky turtles to survive and pollute the gene pool

>>5022947
they've been building luck for generations, this would allow a couple turtles with slightly lower luck than the average, which is still very high for them.
also being born into the group humans decide to help is a pretty lucky feat

>>5022949
second part is spot on

>>5022914
Can you even read retard?
You're not supposed to help ONLY DURING DOCUMENTARY RECORDINGS

>>5022912
They will have entire agencies funded with thousands of taxpayer dollars and dozens of staff when really all it takes is just one determined autist who doesn't give a shit about laws.

Here in Britain they found a few populations of our endangered sand lizards that were "unoficially introduced" to beaches and heathlands. At first they were freaking out until they conceded that it's good we have another population of them BUT DON'T HECKING DO IT AGAIN.

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We have built gigantic cities over fields and valleys. We have made highways and factories and mines that have changed how the planet looks from space. We have domesticated cats dogs and made zoos where we keep animals captive their entire lives

But make sure no to touch a baby animal. That would be bad.

i hate when i happen upon a sea turtle and i try to help it then a strawman bursts out of the ground to tell me im not allowed to

>>5022879
It's a general rule because the average schmuck isn't educated enough to determine what actions are ecologically good or bad (even scientists fuck this up) and will always default to "protecting" the "cuter" or "weaker" animal. But predators are often ecologically far more important than their prey, at least on an individual level.
I remember seeing a video of some weasel attacking a rabbit on social media and some retarded cunt started kicking the weasel to make it let go. The vast majority of people were congratulating that behavior and declaring they'd do the same.

>>5022997
>Humans have destroyed huge amounts of the world's natural ecology so it's fine to be disruptive on a smaller scale because your fee fees are getting hurt that predators are predating / can't control your base impulses
Perfect example of shopping cart theory

>>5023000
It is fine to be disruptive. Nature is not sacred. It was not created by yahweh. It is not home to ancient spirits. It's just carbon. We are not magical gardeners tasked with being a planetary groundskeeper.

We can shape the world however we want as long as the end result works out in our favor. Every single other animal in existence does the same. Even ants do. If raising the turtle survival rate improves the world, why not do it? The turtle death rate was maintained by evolution because turtles had less pressure on them and the current death rate was in line with their old survival rate. Therefore their death rate must be lowered.

G

There are plenty of turtle sanctuaries where the babies are protected from predators while they make their way to sea, I've been to one myself. The no interference clause applies to retarded shit like >>5022999, where braindead assholes will see a deer or a penguin or a seal (any "cute" herbivore/prey animal really) be predated on and start crying and whining about how they would've stopped the mean ol'predator from eating it, or do shit like stomping out a snake eating a fucking squirrel.

I get the argument for helping sea turtles out, but you severely underestimate just how stupid the average person is when it comes to ANYTHING ecology related.

>>5022931
won't undo shit. a hundred years is not even a milisecond in evolutionary scope

little turtles dying is more of a coinflip then survival of the fitest

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>>5022879
There's actually someone opposed to sea turtle recovery?
>>5022881
This is valid because they are there just to film and record nature. It defeats the purpose if THEY help.

>>5023008
>We can shape the world however we want as long as the end result works out in our favor.
Ecological devastation generally doesn't work out favorable to humans.
>fedora garbage
What a surprise

saving baby turtles from gulls indicates that you think that too many baby turtles are being eaten by gulls
can you specify the exact amount of baby turtles that should be eaten by gulls and how many we need to save to reach that goal?
the answer is that you have no fucking idea and if you say "all of them" then you're fucking retarded. let the gulls have their meal - seabirds have been eating turtle hatchlings for far longer than humans have been around and they haven't gone extinct. it's why they lay a bunch of eggs.
so funny to see humans anthropomorphize animal offspring and project their own misplaced care instincts onto them and then call it noble behavior

>>5023207
Go get eaten by gulls

>>5023207
>GIVE ME A NUMBER
the best we can do until the population recovers. logic is a false god. superior lifeforms operate on passion.

>>5023191
Thats funny because wiping wolves and mammoths the fuck out was great for humans but devastating to the environment

when I see a starvig seabird I'm gonna feed it a baby turtle

>>5023218
False. I cannot go on a mammoth hunting safari in hyperborea. Why even live?

>>5022947
Luck is a genetic attribute now?

>>5022914
who are you helping? dont the predators also have young to feed?

The interfering with nature thing seems dated to me, no matter what all species have been impacted by human settlement and its highly likely the conditions they evolved around will simply not exist in the next 100-200 years.

>>5022990
>Here in Britain they found a few populations of our endangered sand lizards that were "unoficially introduced" to beaches and heathlands.
based as fuck

>>5022990
They will gladly introduce any other kind of vermin without informing their citizens

>>5023218
>devastating to the environment
>allowed other species to thrive
>enough dissonance to say both in the same sentence

>>5023207
>noble behavior
Everything we thing a noble behavior is a noble behavior. It's bird's fault they didn't evolve to be so cute.

>>5023008

Why are you even on this board? Your view of nature is psychopathic.

Humans are different from other animals. We are high functioning beings with empathy, and with that comes a responsibility to preserve the space around us. We are the guardians of this earth and it's our duty to balance human technological growth while respecting nature.

>but ants don't do that!
Ants don't have sophisticated brains. Hurting something out of instinct is one thing, but it's entirely different if your able to process what hurt is.

>>5023808
>Why are you even on this board? Your view of nature is psychopathic.
Nta, but some of his points make sense

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>>5023001
And you came back when there was an out to do so with the site going down, yet here you are trying to grandstand. Now THAT is just sad kek

>>5023021
Don't care. Love sea turtles. Simple as.

>>5023808
Untamed nature worship is degenerate and deranged. Nature is not a being. It is not a mind. It is not a soul. We should change the world for the better.

Wolf eradication was a good thing and we should do grizzlies and pumas next.
Coyote eradication is possible and the ecosystem would be fine if we bolstered bobcat populations at the same time
We should exterminate disease transmitting mosquitoes.
We should prop up species we like when they aren’t doing well, which is usually mostly because of india and china’s unrestrained economy with only minor contributions from everyone else
We should replace fields and deserts with forests.

Absolutely. Nature isnt a temple. It’s a place. And man evolved to remodel.

Chances are you wouldnt give a fuck just like you dont care when you walk through the woods without getting chased by coyotes and wolves.

>>5023850
Narcissism.

>>5023878
Species-wide narcissism is a prerequisite for continued existence.

People who worship an untouched natural world inevitably do poorly until getting conquered by people who do not. It's evolutionarily unfit ideology. If you took your views seriously with like minded people you would degenerate into a jeet-tier "society" and then get conquered or bought out.

It is actually perfectly ok to do things like kill off wolves and help desirable species maintain their levels despite anthropogenic disruption.

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>>5022931
>hundreds of years of evolutionarily selecting for luck
how about 400 Million years of luck? In Delaware there's PSAs called "Flip them over" educating people to save horseshoe crabs from certain death by flipping them over after many of them stupidly get stuck on their backs after mating.
>400 Million years to natually select these crabs that won't get stuck on their backs?
Mother Nature: Nah, fuck that! i like to watch those fuckers die long painful deaths while getting eaten alive by sky rats.

https://www.horseshoecrab.org/act/flipem.html

>>5023880
okay, Mao

>>5022999
>It's a general rule because the average schmuck isn't educated enough to determine what actions are ecologically good or bad (even scientists fuck this up)
>john smith saving a rabbit (cute) BAD!
>((((((((((((((((((billionaires))))))))))))))))) dumping waste into oceans and cutting down forests GOOD!

>>5023923
Self interested environmentalism is probably the only reason we haven't been conquered by mao 2.0 (emperor xi) lmao.

You can have the west doing some things for nature but ultimately the wests benefit, or china steamrolls the west due to its lack of economic output (which necessarily changes or destroys nature - pick one, not neither). Or, zero environmentalism, which changes the west into china - poor long term prospects and a real average IQ of 85 from toxic load.

Absolute environmentalism (ie: vegan bullshit) cripples economies, it even cripples human capability from not eating enough meat. Zero environmentalism achieves the same crippling, eventually. A fact of human existence is if you exist in the environment you will change it. Our duty isn't to preserve it exactly as it was found (it would change anyways)... our duty is to keep it in good shape for our own good, and sometimes even improve it. Because if we don't, we die anyways.

>>5023886
If only they evolved a stronger tail

>>5022931
It is the very principle of society to eliminate natural selection, we let the retarded live, infant mortality is extremely low, the same for women during childbirth, the sick can live longer...

>>5023737
shut up schizo

>>5022879
It doesn't get much safer once they enter the sea at that size. Most of them are gonna get eaten pretty quickly.

Remember when there was no predation on deer cause the US extirpated wolves and then the deer overgrazed and starved to death en masse

Yeah me neither actually save those turtles

>>5022879
What do thes little guys taste like? Would you deep fry them or make soup?

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>>5022879
They're so cute...

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>>5026778
Can you buy them?

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>>5026781
In highly illegal ways yeah but the closest you're getting to owning a """"sea"""" turtle is getting one of those aussie pig nosed fellas.

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>>5026803
WOAH LOOK AT THESE LIL' FUCKERS

I'm interfering with nature if something cute is being harassed by something ugly. That's just how it is.

>>5026778
It would be cool if they stayed that color when they become fully grown. Are there any turtles that stay blue like that?

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Nobody would believe you if you said this picture taken wasn't AI generated in this day and age.

>>5022879
>sea birds are allowed to interfere with nature but humans, just another animal, are not

Makes no fucking sense. If you are present and have the power to intervene, you should.

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>>5022879
At least these baby turtles usually get straight forward deaths. You could be a baby seal which gets the worst out of these birds since they love to gouge their eyes out and rip out their rectums just to eat the parasites they have in their shit. These birds are assholes to everything that crawls on the beach.

>>5029300
Because many don't see themselves as part of nature, but above it.

>>5031503
I think that is a part of it. Human intervention is seen as cheating nature.

>>5023886
if left alone for millions of years they would evolve a more stable body plan

>>5023850
wolf eradication created the herbivore population boom thats fucking up vegetation growth
coyotes are one of the last natural defense lines against cats (invader pest)
with no mosquitoes the population of animals that are killed by them would boom and the animals that feed on their larva would struggle
You talk like a religious rancher, fuck off

>>5023956
why does the "economy" need to grow eternally? eternal growth is impossible with the current universe's physics
humanity needs balance not growth

>>5023850
mmm pasda

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>>5023021
>how do you know it does? what if our efforts lead us to so many turtles that they completely wipe out a certain species of jellyfish that feeds on a certain type of toxic algae that rebounds and exists in giant plumes in the oceans which then infects tuna which we then feed on and we get sick from the algae?
What if we just keep dealing with problems when we want to? Save the turtles, kill the algae, domesticate the foxes and fuck the dogs. Humankind best kind.

>>5032986
Because it's dumb shortsighted behavior. What do you think happens when we inevitably back ourselves into a corner because our chain of stupid acts got too long and real life has no undo/rewind button?

>>5023886
>after mating
>wtf why wouldn't they just evolve this away????
you're retarded

>>5022879
Like turtles, don't like birds. I help the turtle. Simple as.

>>5023008
people actually disagree with this lmao. think about it
>sea turtles die, its nature
>sea turtles evolve necessary changes to not die too often, so a sustainable number of turtles survive to continue the next generation
>enter human activity
>more sea turtles are now dying than ever before
>the surviving population is eventually going to reach a number too small to sustain further generations
>but wait, there's hope
>sea turtles reproduce prodigiously. a shitton of them die before even making it to the water. if save more baby turtles from being eaten, the turtle population will at least stabilize, if not recover
>only possible downside is some of those saved turtles might be turtle retarded and die later
>only real downside is some pest sea birds will die back a little. as if there aren't too many of the fuckers eating out of garbage bins already.
>could identify vulnerable turtle predators and only save turtles from the non-vulnerable/unwanted ones

>>5033412
People are far more willing to conserve a natural world that isn't hostile towards their interests. At least shaping nature means preserving some. The other options are a: no civilization at all (start with yourself, petafag) or b: completely eradicating all of it indiscriminately instead of wasting any more time or lowering efficiency putting up with its inconveniences (aka what the chinese and international elite do). I'd take a modified ecosystem with an annoying/dangerous predator or pest-like prey animal gracefully cut out over a paved over globohomo wasteland any day.

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>>5033418
Listen retard. Extirpating wolves did, in fact, cause herbivores to overpopulate. And they did, in fact, cause forests to partially collapse. The scale of human activity was never great enough compared to what deer can do to millions of acres of forest. All of the predators in an ecosystem are NATURAL, AND NECESSARY to maintain the current state of the ecosystem.

And in those last 5 words are why it didn't matter. Removing wolves objectively changed the state of the ecosystem. But it did not cause it to collapse. It replaced it with another type of ecosystem and animal populations left, arrived, grew, and shrank to fit the new state caused by overpopulated deer and elk. It was totally fine for us, and it was totally fine for life in general. I suppose that in the end, the same amount of animals lived and died over the same after the ecosystem adjusted to wolf removal. Adding wolves back was in fact restoring the ecosystem to its original state, but the human modification didn't turn the ecosystem into a wasteland. It turned a few woods into something closer to grassland.

It is totally fine to shape an ecosystem as we see fit. Do you want to live around wolves? No. Not even the wolves (dogs) want to live around wolves. And then there's you, making it all about some weird fucking conspiracy theory because you don't eat enough meat for your brain to function for something. Fuck off, vegan schizo/cat schizo/whatever the fuck you are, "the retard that always posts this drivel".

>>5033424
Wolf eradication factually changed the ecosystemWolves were 100% necessary to maintaining its original state. And that original state did look very cool, and have nicer weather.

But it didn't matter. Fuck living around wolves. They are to dogs what abbos are to us.

>Leather back sea turtle considered Critically Endangered in Zoo Tycoon 2 back in like 2006
>check status now
>Vulnerable
What happened?

>>5022879
Why did God make life this way?

>>5033492
They're making a bounce back in population numbers recently.

>>5033475
>>5033476
>>5033477
Lol they btfo you hard. Look at you cry. Look. You’re literally crying.

>>5033492
People saved more baby turtles.

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>>5023008
>>5032975
Allow me to remind you

Don't feel like replying to anybody in particular, but in my opinion turtles are more valuable than some shit gull. Turtles take years to reach sexual maturity and reproduce. Killing a couple females is capable of devastating the population, so giving them even a little bit of help is worth it. The bird can go eat some french fries or other garbage instead.

Good thread.

>>5033551
>>5033548
>schizo got lost on his way back to /pol/
Dont you have an abortion/red heifer/aliens thread to be in right now

Have sea turtles been bred in captivity?

>>5033768
I don't get why you are mad. The verse clearly states that destruction of animals is not a good thing

we need less animals on the planet

“YOU TOUCHED THE BABY DEER AND NOW THE MOTHER WON’T WANT IT BACK YOU MONSTER”
*shoots deer*
“THIS IS A KINDNESS”

Leftists are mentally ill.

>>5026803
>>5026806
How much do they cost
How hard are they to care for

don't touch the turtles!!! they are good!!!!

>>5033388
Scare tactics

If the retards are afraid to capture wild animals to keep as pets, they will not.

This has been extremely effective.

if you break the law something you love dies. nothing works better.

>>5034735
>It's jewish deer sacrifice
You have schizophrenia congrats
>How does killing an animal help it
How does teaching the populace that capturing wild animals to keep as pets is against the law work? It works well.
>Oof. You're gonna feel that one later. Remember you said this, because I will.
Schizophrenic people do tend to spout immaterial threats. I know. A hobo once started screaming about how "they" were going to gut me alive when I told him to get a job. You're recognizable on this basis alone because untreated schizophrenia that's gotten this bad is fairly rare among people allowed to touch a computer.

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>>5026803
>>5026806
Wtf they're so adorable, how the hell am I just now finding out this species of turtle exists.

>>5034735
>nooo you cant take my illegal pets! THIS IS JEWISH DEER SACRIFICE!
Stop posting and go feed your boyfriends malnourished husky a steak you literal faggot

>>5023008
>>5023850
Finally some good posts in his schizofest of a thread.

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>>5022879
in my country we do that, there's hatcheries were the eggs are kept safe from animals digging them or people destroying them by walking over the eggs. then when they are born they put them in boxes and carry them to the beach to be released so they don't get eaten by birds or dogs.

>>5038686
Based nature modifier

>>5038692
Cringe retard

>>5037212
>it's illegal
Why?
>because IT SAYS SO OKAY!??!!??
I hate bootlickers so much

>>5034732
Actually Rabbi, we are to take care of the earth's beasts so your golems just committed destruction of life.

>>5038726
Because you already have enough domesticated (mildly retarded) species. What the domestic cat did to the scottish wildcat and is slowly doing to all the small wildcats is a great example of what happens when retards adopt wildlife because it’s cute. The retarded animals eventually kill the natural ones genetic fitness.

>>5038727
It’s a deer. They basically exist to fuck a lot and get eaten by wolves. Leave the system be.

>>5033394
Got it, you're a fag farming for (You)s
I thought the summer was over already

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>>5034806
A lot of cool and weird looking turtles happen to be pretty obscure. Which isn't surpassing since most of them are only native to third world countries where they over hunt them to the point of endangerment for useless crap like tradition medicine, what a shame.

>>5027817
It's just an albino turtle i don't see what's so hard to believe

>>5039089
>*surprising
not surpassing

>>5022914
>If you're not helping, you're actively harming at this point
Humans and their greed ARE the harm, dont lie to yourself saying its only some human behaviors or its due to ignorance. Human greed and their self-importance are the cause, and those traits aren't going away any time soon. More often than not when someone says 'save the planet' they really mean save humans and their ability to live comfortably on the planet. Objectively speaking, Humans are an oil fire, best way to deal with it is to let it burn itself out, sure itll take a whole lot of life out in the process, but its better than letting humans 'fix' some of their mistakes long enough for them to do even more damage, potentially even getting to the point where theyre capable of wiping out life on earth entirely. "Helping" is harming in the long run.

>>5039142
After America goes commie people like you will be in gulags and your last words will be
>FOOL! I AM INTELLIGENT! YOU WILL BE LOST WITHOUT MY KNOWLEDGE OF DINOSAUR TRIVIA! YOU WILL DIE WITHOUT MY OPINIONS ON ENVIRONMENTALISM!
Comrades hans, ajit, xiao, and hernandez will say
>lol you’re going to help rebuild a hydroelectric dam. sabotage will be punished with order 1911.

>>5039162
America is quickly becoming irrelevant anon, have you been living under a rock or something? Its been all over the news, pretty hard to miss this shit show.

>>5039183
You mean the news that called xi a hero because the nork fatso in charge visited for tea and often said russia was a powerful military threat? That news?

The news is a joke. Propaganda was legalized by the US in 2013.

>>5039206
Yeah that news, also the very relevant news that always gets push to the back burners asap, like how the US is barely able to dictate trade negotiations anymore and the 'nork fatso' had to shit the bed on everyone and their penguins just to get them to the table, you could be excuse for missing that news anon, was only on for maybe half a cycle

>>5034676
>>5034721
It's actually just Americans that do this, and think like this. One even drove like 500 miles just to shoot a little girl's goat. Not even joking.

>>5033492
Conservation efforts happened

>>5022879
lol

Why are humans so fucking crazy when it comes to animals?

>>5038743
/argument

Wild animals are not your pets. They can not be owned without a risk to the real populace. They can not be cared for once confiscated. All that can be done is euthanasia. The suffering of the moron is just a bonus.

Leave wild animals in the wild.

>>5040839
Wild animals are not pets. The wild caught pet trade has caused extinctions before and continues to do so. Deer keeping caused CWD. ALL keeping of native wild animals must be banned and the perpetrators punished.

We have lots of domesticated animals that are happier being pets than anything else, like cats. Get one of those if you want a cute furry animal to live in your house.

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>>5022879
The prime directive forbids it

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Göring saved animals
are you worse than Göring?

>>5042018
Not even worth arguing with someone as retarded as you

>>5042139
>nooooo you need to let me poach deer to keep as pets
Reindeer were domesticated for this purpose. Leave the wild deer alone.

Plus so called pet deer have a habit of being used to start deer farms.

>>5022999
This. One of the most devasting things to nature is the housecat. They kill small birds and mammals left right and center with no restraint, despite not needing to eat them to survive. Yet suggest that people keep their cat indoors in areas where endangered birds live, and people throw an absolute bitchfit, because they can't accept that their lickle furbaby is in fact a highly effective predator that does not belong in the local ecosystem. You saw it last year where a conservation agency *suggested* banning domestic cats from free roaming in areas where endangered Scottish wildcats are known to live to prevent competition, and the papers went absolutely insane, presenting it as an evil authoritarian government banning owning cats outright in all of Scotland. Also, people letting their dogs run around off leash because they don't accept the fact that their dog is a predator and could kill wildlife.

>>5039616
What is it with Americans and claiming they need to hunt to keep the population of deer in balance? How did the deer population stay in balance before humans arrived in the Americas then? I get this in the UK where there are no longer any predators to keep deer in check, but doesn't the US have wolves and bears? and if not in the area, why can't they reintroduce them?

>>5042262
>What is it with Americans-
Stopped reading here. The answer to your question is: "because Americans are stupid" and it hasn't changed.

>>5042262
>why doesn't America, a major grower of livestock and infamous lover of meat products, encourage higher numbers of animals that eat livestock?
>why, instead, do Americans prefer to keep herbivore numbers in check by eating venison?
I dunno, man.
It's a fucking mystery.

>>5042262
We killed their main predators because they are even worse pests than the deer. If you want to disagree live around them and try and engage in any agriculture/outdoor recreation. Wolves are horrid. The only people who want them back live in the middle of the city.
>but they're dogs!
Their behavior is closer to a pitbull on cocaine. Dogs don’t even descend from this wolf species. They are different animals, like norwegians and sudanese.

>>5042262
>they need to hunt to keep the population of deer in balance
We do. That's it. Unfortunately, midwestern/southern retards farm deer to stock their lands to make hunting more fun.
> How did the deer population stay in balance before humans arrived in the Americas then
Millions of wolves.
>I get this in the UK where there are no longer any predators to keep deer in check
You mean the ones they killed?
>doesn't the US have wolves and bears? and if not in the area, why can't they reintroduce them?
We have a few to control elk.

The minimum number of wolves to control mid tier cervids like whitetail is also the minimum number of wolves needed to make them an active threat to human life. Wolves and humans are in the same niche and directly compete with each other. Cooperation and eradication are the only options, and dogs (paleolithic northeast asian wolves) are already our friends so

Good thread

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>>5022931
Getting saved by a human is a form of luck.

>>5022990
>"unoficially introduced"
isn't that just rewilding really?

>>5023021
>what if our efforts lead us to so many turtles
That wouldn't happen retard because the whole point is that the turtles are endangered (meaning, barely any left compared to what there should be) because of us, so helping babies into the water will not lead to some mass turtle overpopulation and le toxic algae blooms. It just means everything breaks even.

>>5023886
>>5033129
It's worth mentioning that horseshoe crabs evolved a very male-biased sex ratio, and it's not uncommon to see up to a dozen males scrambling over each others to mate with a single female.
So saving male crabs is essentially worthless, there's a huge oversurplus of them and any available female will get fertilized either way.

>>5045409
>Amazing how it's only "interfering with Nature" when you're helping
No, it's interference when you think you're helping but you're actually hurting, by doing dumb shit like feeding wild animals and making them into pets. If the sea turtle population needs supported leave it to the wildlife biologists to decide that it does and how to support it. Some of those turtles are actually meant to die because they're genetically unfit from birth and picking ones to save requires careful observation.
>It's never "interference" when you're hurting
It is interference when you're hurting. That's why we have restrictions on hunting so people don't manage populations into oblivion and stay around the kill rate the ecosystem was meant to support, and if you fuck with the non-game birds you go to jail. That's also why you're not allowed to feed wild animals or make them your pets. Because it hurts nature.
>Weird propaganda
It's not propaganda. You're just an idiot. The world is against you because you are stupid. Not because it's a conspiracy.
>Where it comes from
Ecologists.

Now bring on the cope and schizophrenic rambling.

>>5045410
>Wild animals aren't your pets
>"jewish propaganda"
Sounds more like the bot is you

Every accusation is a confession

What's next? "You can't help the environment somewhat because all humans have to die. looks like you cant support conservation now. JEWS!"
I'm pretty sure BP/shell has a memo encouraging people to say that somewhere...

>>5044305
Howdy partner

Lol humans are such a shitshow

>>5022931
That isn't luck, it's natural selection. Humans don't help out random animals. The turtle's traits are being selected: their cute appearance, behavior and their impressive size when matured give them an advantage over other animals in getting human's help. Repeat this process for millions of years and turtles will evolve traits that will be beneficial in attracting human's attention and care.
This will be the next step in evolution. Life will eventually learn to co-exist with humans in order to thrive, much like how plants evolve to live with insects, animals and plants will adapt to benefit from human activities

>>5044910
It isn't worthless to pharma companies.

>>5022879
A sea turtle never tried to steal my chips

Did women actually believe that mother birds wouldn’t take their babies back if you touched them

>>5046420
They already have. Why do you think chicken, pigs, cows, sheep and goat fit so neatly in human farming practices?

Just help the fucking turtles, jesus christ

>>5023019
>or do shit like stomping out a snake eating a fucking squirrel.
It is your moral obligation to help out your family.
You are more related to a squirrel than a snake.
Ergo, it is your moral obligation to help out your fellow mammal if it is in a crisis.

>>5033492
>scalloped hammerhead considered Vulnerable in Zoo Tycoon 2 back in like 2006
>check status now
>Critically Endangered
perfectly balanced, as all things should be

>>5022879
bitch

>>5048423
youd be surprised how quickly mothers in nature will abandon their children, infanticide is extremely common

>>5049551
Animals being retarded isn't an excuse for humans being retarded (irony acknowledged)

>>5049188
Fake and gay mindset. Basically mammal virtue signalling from humans who will then turn around and stomp other "fellow mammals" when they inconvenience them.

>>5022879
Who cares?

>>5024392
Wild animals aren't part of society thoughbeit.

>>5045413
Death to your family, glowbot.

>>5045412
>Implying anyone ever reads your propaganda
Remember to always spread the Truth because it pisses these bots and their glownigger agents off to no end.

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>>5051161
>>5051162
>the gay schizo evaded his ban again

>nooo you can’t flip the turtle over saving it from drying out in the sun! that’s literally killing evolution!

what kind of problems would sea turtle overpopulation cause?

>>5051838
>Jewbot is mad as hell every time being nice to animals is brought up
Now you know why Deckard asks this question in Blade Runner. Turns out bots really are like this.

>>5051859
Ecologically? None. They're only a problem for fishing boats that have to obey regulations to try to not kill them in their nets. And of course all of those fishing boats are over exploiting the ocean life anyway which they shouldn't be doing.

If I see a turtle being nabbed by a crab I am killing that crab and saving that turtle

midwits think every species has its necessary place in the natural order.

retards and the wise know: some species are good, and some are evil. sea turtles are clearly good. anything that eats good baby animals is evil.

the birds that eat baby sea turtles have plenty other sources of protein. fuck em. save the turtles, every time.

>>5052542
Turtles are dumb lizards and i like birds more. Angels are birds, not turtles. Case and point.

>>5052559
see you on the beach, birdbrain.

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>>5052559
>>5052562
>Has a beak
>Wing-like flippers
>More genetically related to birds than they are to lizards
Turtles are just underwater birds.

Allways save baby turtles
Allways flip tortoises on their feet
Never ignore a turtle or tortoise in peril

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/33r9uJ9of0M

>>5052870
Awww. The jewbot must have seethed itself into short circuiting upon seeing this clip.

>IS THAT AN ANIMAL BEING NICE TO ANOTHER ANIMAL OF A DIFFERENT SPECIES?!?! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

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>>5052870
>always save turtles
Even these prehistoric demons?

>>5042116
Underrated

They're worried about normies acting retarded, don't overthink it.

>>5042116
*belch*

>>5022879
lol

>>5052904
safer than most dogs, you have to be a dumbass to get bitten by a snapping turtle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os5Bub4gqqk

>>5022879
Occasionally save some sea turtles to increase their population, but don't do it often enough that they forget how to reach the sea alone, because you don't want to be stuck helping turtles forever.

>>5022931
Fucking puppeteers man you always keep messing with things

>>5042116
What a fat effeminate fuck

>>5056013
A plane couldn’t even hold him

Just flip the turtle over ffs

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>>5022879
>It's been recently announced that green sea turtles are no longer endangered
we won bros....

>>5022879
well, would definitely help as many as I could to reach the sea

Oh for fucks sake

I like turtles

Do turtles taste good?

noooooo

if I use baby seaturtles as skipping stones to see how far out I can get them, I should be given an award by the WWF.

>Sea Turtles
>Sea Snakes
>No Sea Lizards alive today outside a single iguana offshoot on the Galapagos.

Lizardbros......

>>5039142
damage to what? you misanthropes never sees to amaze me with how you see humans as some special evil rather than just another animal trying to get by with what it has and what it wants.

>>5061293
idk why I spelt cease as sees, guess I was typing without thinking about spelling again.

Listen. If a see a fucking crab nab a baby turtle I am going to intervene. I just am. Fuck crabs.

>>5061288
Give them some time, anon. The whales are going extinct this century, then it's Mosasaurus time
it will be saltwater crocodiles who get there first, me thinks, but that's still something

>>5061854
ACRAB

>>5022912
i thought almost all of the babies die though

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>>5061854
Look, I am a prime advocate for turtle rights as much as the next dude but the crabs are just trying to take out their natural predators at their most vulnerable stage before they become a problem to them, quite a smart play on their part.

>>5063308
No. Fuck off.

Lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1k1dvkk/its_illegal_to_help_baby_sea_turtles_escape/

>>5033906
Yes. We should start with the most abundant: humans.

>>5063308
What doesn't eat crabs at this point? I honestly feel bad for them more since they get eaten by literally everything.

FUCK crabs
FUCK seagulls

>>5063308
>>5064181
Crabs have literally everything else to eat.

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>>5061293

>>5063019
They do. Less than 1 in 1000 make it past their first year. Not sure what that has to do with what you're replying to. They don't die because they're bad at swimming, eating or shitting. They die because they're killed, which is easily prevented.

>>5064181
semites

>nooo

>noooooo

If there are more adult turtles then there will be more baby turtles for things to eat.

>>5065066
What was his response?

Another peak /an/ thread

>>5023757
E.g. niggers and pajeets

>>5022879
>they deserve life more than the animal that needs them for food because they're cute

>>5066062
"I already have."

Humans are weird and contradictory creatures.

Holier than thou autism

>>5066819
true. we can rid the world of uglyness if we choose

>>5023850
You should die.

>>5052383
Couldn’t you just move the crab and turtle you asshole, the crab needs to eat too.

Turtles, like all reptiles, are not to be trusted.

Humans are fags

TORTLES D;

FUCK crabs
FUCK seagulls
FUCK people

>>5022997
/thread

>>5022920
There's some middle point between helping some turtles get to the sea and tranqing a hunting lion. One is beneficial (helps balance disrupted ecosystem) and one is retarded pseudo empathy

>>5022879
>Artificially inflate the sea turtle population to decrease the jellyfish population
>Sea turtles end up eating all the jellyfish
>Sea turtles have nothing to eat and starve
>Now no sea turtles or jellyfish
Way to go, fuck-o.

>>5022997
>>5072948
Whataboutism
>Errrm people rape and murder all the time so AKSHUALLY me robbing you isn't even bad

>>5072979
>pulls gun
>fires 8 rounds of 50 african eliminator
You now understand the social contract theory of morality, which is good because it is natural.

>>5022879
If too many inferior turtles reach the sea the population will weaken

>>5022912
>hey the population is back up
>nice lets hunt them again they produce so many offspring they are basically pests
>oops
probably

>>5032968
>God, what a pathetic fat fuck
Noooo, those girls are bullying her :(

>>5073127
The inferior turtles will be naturally filtered out the gene pool by stronger and smarter competing turtles.

Holy shit this thread is still going.

>>5074277
/an/ is a slow board. It's not rare for threads to last a whole year.

>>5074281
Exhibit A: Owl thread (244 days old)
>>4964870

>>5032968
Why do leatherback turtles look like some kind of fucked up cryptid, such an unsettling turtle.

>>5022879
lol

>>5075473
What’s so funny

>>5023000
The predators in this case are gulls.
FUCK GULLS!
I'd deprive them of their prey, even if the prey was hideous.

>>5023207
>can you specify the exact amount of baby turtles that should be eaten by gulls
Zero.
Not because I particularly like turtles, I just really hate Gulls.

>>5023850
>we should do grizzlies and pumas next.
Okay, but can we domesticate some of them first?

>>5038686
That's awesome.
Which country is it if you don't mind sharing?

>>5045412
>Some of those turtles are actually meant to die because they're genetically unfit
If that's true then they will die just the same to oceanic predatory.
The beachrun newborn turtles need to engage in is not natural selection.
It is nature, but it is far too unforgiving and random to apply a coherent selection pressure.
Healthy turtles are just as likely to be eaten as maladaptive turtles, frontrunners are just as likely to be picked off as stragglers.
All this morbid spectacle serves to do is further bloat the population of obnoxious flying sea rats.

>>5022879
One day I'll bring machine gun to the beach and lay covering fire for baby turtles so they could reach the sea. It'll be like D-day in reverse.

>>5022879
Um

>>5023207
zero
seagulls should be intentionally made extinct. alongside all other aves. I'm in favor of total dino death. we have no ancestral blood feud with chelonians but saurians oppressed our ancestors for millions of years. we were not shown mercy and should not show it in return.

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>>5080567
lol, millions of humans died because they tried to get rid of this bird alone.

>>5022997
Yes.

>>5081366
>Humans job to birds like nobody's business
>CatGODS btfo birds everyday with ease
Yup im thinking catchads keep winning.

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>>5082346
HOO is jobbing now?

Harming turtles is haram.

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>>5074746
Not enough people talk about how terrifying these bastards look.

>>5023207
They hated anon for he spoke the truth

>>5022879
I've learned to almost never interfere with nature, because I only make things worse. But I think I would make an exception by helping them, maybe not by throwing them directly into the water, but by watching over them and making sure no predators eat them.

Kek

>>5023217
>logic is a false god. superior lifeforms operate on passion.
UNFATHOMABLY BASED

>>5023207
Do nothing bureaucrat-brained NPC, cause of the fall of the west, uses "science" and "the experts" to avoid having to think or actually be intelligent. Is actually afraid of failure.

>>5023217
Intelligent human being, the last hope civilization has

>>5024392
Charles Steinmetiz was probably worth suffering 1 billion morons even if you are grouchy and dont like people.

>>5022879
Turtles don't need help to the ocean, they've been fine doing this for 200 million years. What you can do is stop throwing junk in the ocean and tell third worlders (especially chinks) to fuck off and stop eating everything that moves.

TORTLES

Why do humans become autistic when discussing animals

What if I accidentally help the turtles by killing the birds for their meat and feathers?

>>5065066
Why was dick-sucking the first thing that guy's mind went to?
Is he OP?

Why are Americans so insane?

“You touched the baby deer! Now I have to kill it!”
*BANG*
“This is a kindness!”

There was a story of a guy (a cop I think?) who drove like five hundred fucking miles just to shoot the pet goat of some girl because she refused to butcher it for some stupid contest.

>>5091749
Kek

>>5091749
Circumcision causes disordered violent behavior just like other forms of sadistic child sexual exploitation

>>5022879
idgaf. I'm an animal, I chose what I do. Bird tries to steal my food? swatted, broke your wing? should not have gone for my food. See a critter in distress? Help it if I can. Ornery Goose? punted, fox chasing a bunny? scared off. Only ones who will care are people I despise, it's a win win. Nature goes not give a shit.

>>5022931
>>5055172
Kek

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You shouldn't move them or carry them to the water because the weird traumatic Normandy Beach sequence they experience at birth is apparently a big part of how their brains remember the location of their ancestral breeding grounds. I guess trauma is a good way of making sure it imprints on them. You can carve little sand paths for them and stand to the side to keep seagulls and crabs scared away but you cannot touch them or stand in their path or over them.

>>5092112
What the fuck. You sound insane. Are you American?

>>5092221
Shalom, rabbi

>>5022879
bump

Its easier to remove invasive predators. You wont need to babysit turtles then, and survival rates go up to what is natural.

>>5092248
You are mentally unwell.

>>5093882
Better take out the trash with all the stray cats am I right?

>>5073136
he's ugly bastard coded, anon.

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>>5095207
SQUAAAW

Just collect half the turtles, dice them up, make a good mince out of them. Feed the incoming birds and crabs the meat. While the predators are getting their fill, the rest of the turtles will make it to the water without fear.

This way you will be saving half of the turtles, sating the predators and making sure that the sacrificed turtles wouldn't suffer. Everybody wins.

>>5023850
Untamed science worship is even more degenerate and deranged.

This is the same problem that communism has. Nature, like an economy, is far too large, complex, and varied to be administrated by humans in any effective way.

You only have some idea of what some of the things your suggesting would do sometime in the future, maybe. You remind me of all the nutritionists over the last 40 years who absolutely insisted that eating dietary fat was bad for you and was the primary cause of the "Western Diseases"(Diabetes, Heart Disease, Cancer). Well several enormous, long-term, decade long studies were released in the last 5 years about that and guess what, ingestion of dietary fat in a person's meals has absolutely 0 correlation to an increase in any of the above diseases, and nutritionists have almost universally abandoned the hypothesis that eating fatty foods has negative impacts on your health.

Scientists do not know nearly enough about anything to attempt to artificially coerce nature into any direction, including one that is more beneficial to humans. It's been proven time and again that science is far more limited than people like you believe.

>>5095901
>scientists sometimes get things wrong therefore all science LE BAD!
tired of this rightoid talking point. the very fact that the narrative has changed is proof that the scientific method works. that's literally how it works: you come up with new hypotheses to test in light of new data.

if there was a still a cadre of nutritionists telling you not to eat fatty foods in current year despite all the new research, you'd still be crying just as much

>>5095902
Studies that deal with ecology and animals are infamous for being severely underfunded. It's an open secret that you only get funding if you say what whoever is funding you wants to hear.

Now you have studies saying that ackhually wolves are le bad and the yellowstone experiment is wrong. But it's just a coincidence that this study came out just as wolves are once again a big controversy and congress is about to remove all their legal protections.

Same thing with studies that claim invasive species are the absolute worst thing in the world. I wonder why organizations and people whos entire purpose is exterminating plants and animals in an perpetual war want you to support them and give them more money.

>>5095902
>>scientists sometimes get things wrong therefore all science LE BAD!
Is this what I said? No, I said, and I quote, "Untamed science worship is even more degenerate and deranged."

The nutritionist example was a reference to the fact that science encompasses a much, much, much smaller area of understanding than is usually admitted to.

You can be flippant and say that it's just the scientific method at work while ignoring the fact that most scientists greatly enjoy the universal acclaim of their discipline as generally infallible, but why don't we look at another example of nutritionist that might clarify why it's more than a semantic issue.

When margarine was invented it was meant to replace butter, partially because butter was so fatty and fat definitely caused heart disease. So the vast majority of nutritionists and food scientists in America tripped over themselves extolling the virtue of margarine over butter in every capacity. Fast forward to the 90s/early 00s and it turns out that the process of creating margarine, which required extensively treating it with hydrogen to allow it to remain solid at room temperature, made it an order of magnitude more carcinogenic than butter.

There is a severe overcompensation of cultural trust in science that is taken advantage of by essentially all scientific disciplines, with not nearly enough attention given to the disclaimers that what scientists do know and are able to affect is only a very small portion of an overwhelmingly large area, and they are often unwilling or simply unable to predict the ramifications of the changes and activities they pursue in their small area up the chain of causality. Though I suppose to you, all those people who wholeheartedly believed in the scientific health consensus of the 70s, 80s, and early 90s and who developed and died of cancer due to an intense and prolonged switch to daily consumption of artificial, solidified trans fat are simply a rightoid talking point.

>>5095902
go get shot assaulting an ice officer hombre

>>5022879
would it really be that helpful to save them? statistically? As >>5065069 points out 99% of those turtles die, and most of them die after they get into the ocean and we can't help them.

>>5095926
The least we should reasonably do is try and control the populations of invasive ferals (dogs cats rats etc) that are the result of human meddling.

>>5095930
Dogs naturalize easily and improve ecosystems by preying on other invasives (cats, rats, mice)

>>5095949
Very interesting...

Strange board.

Just flip the turtle over Jesus Christ

>>5096641
/thread

>>5038686
that's cool so you are breeding a population of retard turtles that can't cut it in the real world and are dependent on humans

>>5097909
bro it's literally luck of the draw as to if a seagull eats one or not. at growth stage intelligence has little to do with it.

Sea turtles return to the exact beach they were born at to lay eggs. I have heard it said that the beach run may play a role in that ability.

The largest predator of sea turtles by far is people who collect their eggs to serve as street food.

>>5022879
Tortles

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>>5022879
>nooo animals dying in the circle of life? noooooooo
>make it stooooop nooooo
/an/ must be the board with the highest estrogen levels.