>>5077123
you just catch the cats

They should exterminate the Maori savages next

>>5077123
>No shot this doesn't backfire and kill some native species
Because feral cats aren't killing those native species already? lmao It's possible short term pain to eradicate an issue that left unchecked will continue forever.

I haven't lived in NZ for a while but I remember them killing a whole bunch of dogs years and years ago with indiscriminate rat poison pellet drops in the south island, hopefully they don't do something retarded again.

>>5077123
Gigabased. We need to do the same in America.

>we need to torture pets to death with poison because thats a white change to the ecosystem. only maori can change the ecosystem!
Nativist conservation is part of anti-white genocidal rhetoric.
>whites have no culture, are not a valid race, invented everything bad, and everything they do is bad. the only good thing is to get rid of them and things associated with them.
replace whites with jews and you have mein kampf
replace whites with blacks and you have jim crow

maori already killed animals they dislike and favored animals they do like, and catching a boat ride first does not make them more important. the only right thing to do is stop the cycle of senseless killing and let the cats be. some birds will be replaced by other species. its nature. let the ecosystem evolve. the pre-white state is not holy and certainly not holier than the pre-human state. cats and dogs are an interesting change and they hunt other introduced species like deer and mice. neither of those are going away.

they only want to kill the cats because they are a proxy for white culture. they dont care about valid reasons like toxoplasmosis deaths or outdoor cats horrible welfare

also see: wild dogs brown people brought to australia good. wild dogs white people brought are "impure" and must be killed. they are the same fucking animal. aussies only kill dogs that came from white settlers because they hate white people. it is that simple.

the foundation of modern nativist conservation is hating white people. brown people can burn continents to the ground to have an easier time hunting and it is suddenly okay.

>>5077153
You don’t understand chud. Those dogs had to suffer horrible deaths so we could continue taking pictures of a silly bird. Besides, dogs are white "person" animals. They don’t matter unless they’re owned by heccin valid brown people because they caught a boat ride slightly earlier. Now say sorry for slavery and the holocaust.

>>5077123
It's possible if they can develop genetically modified cats to release into the wild with a gene drive that makes them only produce male offspring, then all feral cats on the island will die off within a few generations.
Of course, there would need to be strict controls to make sure no cats are removed from the islands during the process so as to not create the possibility of the genetically modified cats from getting out of control.

They did it to Philip Island in Australia, and it worked well.

Keep your pet indoors and teach it to walk on a leash, and have an enclosed space outside. It's not hard; cat owners can seriously be both dumb and abusive towards their animals and their care/husbandry.

t. parrot owner who provides enclosure, an aviary, and enrichment to his animals, and adopts and doesn't shop.

Are there feral dog culls? I mean for ecological reasons not distemper.

>>5077373
>distemper
I mean rabies. I thought they were the same disease.

>dead birds
...
>dead rainbow birds
UNLIMITED FELIGGER GENOCIDE

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>>5077373
Yeah we had them here. Feral dogs are considered a danger in general so people don't mind when they're culled.

>>5077123
Good.
Honestly, it's nice to see people waking up to the threat feral cats pose to biodiversity.
In a lot of areas there just isn't anything to control their numbers, because anything that can kill a cat (like say, a feral dog or coyote) would be dangerous to children.
I live near an area that's meant to be a protected zone for some ground-nesting bird species but the place has turned into a fucking buffet for the feral cat colonies.
TNR does nothing, it's never done anything. Feral cats multiply in huge amounts you physically cannot spay and return that many. The only solution is mass cullings- the same way we deal with any other invasive pest like rats and boars.

>>5077373
feral dogs are pretty much put down everywhere, because theyre dangerous to people, unless youre india

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>>5077420
The issue with cat culls though it is tends to produce rat/mice booms which again harass and attack ground-nesting birds.
Poisoning the rats could lead to poisoning the very bird population you're trying to protect.

In the end the issue of cat culls is kinda complicated and above my pay-grade but I generally see it as a good thing. Birds are a lot more capable of fighting off a rat than they are against a cat ambush.

>>5077424
no, rats are not an issue, and mice are vegetarians

@5077176
>>>/pol/

Only 200 years after rats and cats and dogs drove most of their wildlife to extinction but okay.

Total cat death.

>>5077123
No it isn't because there are humans in NZ. The pet overpopulation problem stops immediately and ONLY once the human overpopulation problem comes to an end.

>>5077135
Not a bad plan.

>>5077123
nooooooooooooooo my 7 little sweet fur babies that live outside would never harm a wild animal. someone get PETA on the line, this is genocide

>>5077172
>we need to torture pets
feral pests are not pets, anon. you seem to struggle with basic concepts because of toxo in your brain
>>5077176
low iq take

>>5077172
>they only want to kill the cats because they are a proxy for white culture
no, dogs are white culture. cats are islamic

>>5077172
>the pre-white state is not holy
As a coastal white boy, It's pretty fucking cool to me how untouched the Americas were before European contact. They didn't even have earthworms, and Tenochtitlan was made in the middle of a swamp because even waterborne illnesses were less of a thing.

>>5077123
Good stuff. Hope this sentiment spreads.

>>5077172
Nah, fuck off back to England if you think the only avian wildlife worth preserving is starlings, sparrows, and ducks

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>>5077373
Yes, but you don't hear about it because only cat fags get up in arms.

>>5077123
Great idea
Strays cats are responsible for the extinctions of several species

>>5077476
rats didnt do shit, thats a false flag for pigs

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>>5077424

As an animal and cat lover, tell me why this is a bad thing?

>>5077373
Feral dogs attack our dogs. We hate them.
Feral cats ARE their cats because cat people are lazy and mentally ill

This is cultural. In mexico, for example, the feral dogs are their dogs.

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>>5077172
BASED
This is exactly what I've been saying. New Zealand and Australia are anomalies, they are young and incomplete ecosystems. They would have been colonized by placental mammals eventually given enough time. You even have other cosmopolitan families like Ranidae getting across the Wallace Line and starting to colonize the continent.
More megafauna is good. We need more megafauna (especially predators) to alter ecosystems and make them more complex.

Small cats are already present around the entire world. The only reason feral cats are bad is because they can reach artificially high densities with humans feeding them in suburbs. In the wild feral cats would be kept in check by birds of prey and larger predators.
>>5077607
>They didn't even have earthworms
Earthworms were in the southern USA because the glaciers wiped everything clean. The upper half of North America is only 10,000 years old. Are you telling me earthworms wouldn't have started migrating northwards and recolonize it? Clearly they can survive there if european and asian earthworms are doing fine. Are these exotic earthworms "invasive" or did we just speed up the inevitable?

Conservationists are retarded because it's completely arbitrary. They want to take a snapshot of the ecosystem and keep it exactly like that even though the world is always changing. Either we go along with it or fight a retarded futile battle.

>>5077123
We've been trying here in australia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPPSPrwaweA

Hell of a lot more land to cover though.

>>5077123
That's incredibly hypocritical and tone deaf.

>>5078915
As long as dogs have as much of a right to eat cats as cats have a right to eat rats. It’s natural behavior and i loathe people who think their roaming cat is so high up that dogs should be punished for performing natural pest control behaviors.
>your cat ate my outdoor rat! -a moron

>>5078915
lol, like clockwork. How is it every single toxo always tries to deflect to humans?

>>5078919
When an outdoor cat person realizes their position is untenable…
>humans are worse
>what about feral dogs in the third world
>pitbulls?
>cat people smart dog people dumb, cats wild animals choose us, dog person evil slave driver
>*furry porn*

>>5078941
Why is literally all your AI generated furry porn of the exact same german shepherd model, catschizo?

>>5077123
What exactly is so hard about keeping your cat fucking inside, where it belongs? Most dog owners keep their cunt dogs on leashes too, why can't cat owners be not retarded too?

>>5078915
Toxofag accidentally made a valid point in between all the bacteria-induced ramblings, although I suspect it was accidental. Desex and release is a far more effective (or at least more efficient) means of population control than actually killing cats, at least in environments where it is practical or where other methods are contraindicated. Killing a cat means you have one dead cat. Desexing and releasing a cat means that cat is still around, hogging resources that other cats could be using (food, territory, mates) even if they defend those resources less effectively than an intact cat. There is an upfront cost to this approach, but population numbers don't rebound in nearly the same time they do after a simple cull, and you don't run the risk of poisoning native carnivores as you would with bait, no matter how targeted the delivery method.

>>5079206
but its cheaper just to kill them than deal with them for the next 5 year

>>5079206
TNR has literally never worked. It’s just protracted euthanasia via nature. Eradication and cutting off the source does work. It’s what we did to get rid of feral dog packs in the first world.

Require cat owners to spay and neuter
Heavily fine anyone with an intact cat
Have cat-catchers aggressively snatching up any cat found loose, give owners one week to claim them before the cat dies

Before long the toxodrones will learn responsibility.

>>5077123
Stopped caring about cats since one entered my house and tried to eat my parrot

>>5077162
Feral people too?

>>5077123
TCD

impossible. as long as they allow pet cats, there'll be an endless supply of retards creating more ferals.

>>5077123
Why don't they just keep their cats indoors?

>>5077172
Never forget the Māori didn’t exist in NZ until 1800. They genocided the Moriori and stole their land.

>>5078098
Man I'd love to get rat companions for my cats but they would absolutely murder them.

>>5081081
>keep cat indoors
>cat stares at window all day
Also farmers use cats to keep rats out of their crops.

>>5077369
> Australia
You know their "native" canine is actually just a feral dog

>>5077123
>New Zealand going to eradicate all feral cats by 2050

It resembles the epic battle of the 20th century Chinese with sparrows.
And what will New Zealand do with the hordes of feral mice that will appear as a consequence of their actions in year 2051?

>>5081536
And heckin trad very wise rural folx from a long time ago also used to think that the earth was flat, the body required a healthy balance of puss to function, and that black cats were magically bad luck when they are actually just better at hiding the signs of fleas AKA transmitting black plague (which cats are excellent at doing)

Cats are not and have never been pest control. Keep them inside.
https://archive.is/wip/aCYmT

>>5081556
Cats do not control rodent populations. In fact, in california studies, the presence of feral cats made pest mice more common because they are much better at hunting native mammals than they are at hunting pest mice, which opened up new niches for the mice.
https://cales.arizona.edu/pubs/adjunct/snr0704/snr07042l.pdf
If cats have anything to eat that is not a mouse or a rat, they will prefer the easier prey. Birds, native mammals, reptiles, garbage, etc.

>>5077172
10/10 post

>>5078915
>whataboutism.png

>>5081559
I'm gonna plea doubles additive here, because I don't think getting rid of feral cats is bad, but California has native animals that eat small mammals. New Zealand doesn't.

>>5077135
>NOOOO YOU CANT GENOCIDE US
>okay we genocided the moriori too and also ate them, and also basically all of our population decline post European contact was us just shooting each other with imported guns but we're totally not weirdo savage freaks whose culture should have been destroyed like with the Aztecs

>>5081616
Life is meant to be compared. Weighed.

>>5081618
Cats are not effective predators of house mice and pest rats. They prefer dumber or less cautious animals and mice and rats have evolved specifically to avoid being wiped out by cats. Cats have nothing to contribute to NZ.

Mind you cats only naturally exist in places where their population is kept in check by canines, their primary natural predator. There is no mouse/cat predator that would not also wipe out kakapos and kiwis.

>>5081627
>Weighed
fatphobia

who cares they are just animals.

>>5077373
first world countries don't really have feral dogs, that's a second and third world problem
Sometimes people's dogs get out or run away obviously, but those are strays, not ferals. Strays get rounded up and either returned to their owner, adopted out or put down before they can establish a stable population

>>5077123
And, if it this is true, youd better give source, not that we'd be able to go online and complain about it because they'll censor discussions of culled cats and photo evidence because they want to stop you feeling saaad :(

You don't want to see that photo of three coppers beating up a Maori MP, do you? You need to prove you're over 18 with your passport scan, as knowing about police violence makes kids feel saaaad :(

etc etc

>>5082317
>posting racist language outside of /b/
Why are you bringing yourself into this conversation?

>>5081620
Actually fucking eating the previous inhabitants is honestly pretty based. The Maori up until recently were actually relatively reasonable about "ok you kicked the ever loving shit out of us fair and square, you win, thanks for not just fucking wiping us off the map"

>>5082363
>Is it really just familiarity bias?
Pretty much, most people only really support invasive species culls when they're traditionally reviled creatures like snakes or small vermin. Make it about culling feral dogs or cats and suddenly you get the most asinine takes imaginable as people bend over backwards to justify their feelings. Prime example being the idiots in this thread.

>>5077123
what causing cats to gain this amount of schizo hate in environmentalism? you dont hear this about dogs, small feral mammals like rabbits and ferrets and livestock? also not to mention the damage that people do including adding more and more immigrants who do not give a fuck? not to mention how now new zealand also now has a ferret and a marsupial issue.

>>5082215
anon Australia has a feral dog issue

>>5082809
Australia's biggest problem is that it's full of australians

>>5082824
that too

>>5082808
Culling feral dogs is nothing new and same with livestock. Mass hunting of feral hogs happen all the time.

>>5082829
Feral dogs and hogs are also both equally more intelligent, social, and easy to empathize with than cats so it is absolutely bizarre that all the outcry and "NO, TNR! SAVE THEM! LET THEM STAY FREE!" bullshit crops up with the dumber, more parasitic animal that offers literally nothing, damages the environment, and actually increases pest populations when allowed to roam by preferentially killing easier to catch non-pests

Or is it? Peel back the veil

The "feral" cats are actually peoples pets. Cat people are fucking stupid and let their pets roam with no ID, no collar, no chips, no vet records, nothing. They do not take care of their pets at all.

>>5079206
lmao youre retarded
desex and release a mouse infestation in your home while you sit in the corner and think about how stupid you sound

>>5082863
it's because most catfags are biological or spiritual women

>>5082413
>ok you kicked the ever loving shit out of us fair and square, you win, thanks for not just fucking wiping us off the map
unfortunately brown savages never think this way, maybe the first generation, after which the brownoids forget how the white man dominated it, and they remain savages
on the other hand, pale savages (many asians, other whites), show respect to the ones who dominated them in the past, and, in many cases even made their culture into what it is today

>>5077176
Brown hands from south India wrote this

>>5082809
Dingos don't count, they're wild, not feral
Apparently there are some persistent packs of hybrids though which I didn't know about. I can't easily find good info about whether they're stray dog packs with some dingo mix or basically just dingos that fucked a stray dog a couple generations ago though. They don't have "street dogs" either way.

>>5082824
fuckin oath cunt

>>5084246
dingos are feral dogs nothing more nothing less.

>>5077172
>>5081294
TRvKE

best outcome for cat welfare.
the niggers that trap and neuter them only to abandon them to a city hellscape to die in misery while pretending they're doing some noble thing will rot in hell.

>>5077123
outdoor cats shouldn't exist, this is a non-issue

>>5077123
about time honestly
NZ has so many cool bird species that can't exist in an environment with small predators like cats, and its not like this isn't the first time they've done this (they've been working to eradicate rats for a few years now)

>>5079206
they've tried that in a couple cities in the US
it never works out though

>>5087837
Australia and NZ are based when it comes the cat question

>>5077601
>no, dogs are white culture. cats are islamic
are you fucking retarded? hell dogs are not just a white thing.

>>5077172
No, feral cats are demons that kill to kill. They must be eradicated.

>>5077153
>killing retarded feral dogs

Good.

>>5077162
We do but Jews and women will never let that happen.

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>>5077123
as a kiwi these niggers can suck my nuts I will continue to let my cat roam outside whenever he so please

did posts get pruned

kek

>NOOOOO I WON'T RESTRICT MY CAT'S FREEDOM THAT'S ANIMAL ABUSE
>NOOOOO I WON'T LET YOU KILL MY CAT THAT'S ANIMAL ABUSE
>NOOOOO I WON'T BE FORCED TO CARE ABOUT OTHER SPECIES MY CATTO IS THE BESTO

>>5077123
Fucking BASED. Reverse the damage we did to the ecosystem. We are protectors, not destroyers.

>Toxoplasmosis brains when their cat kills a rare parrot in a wildlife preserve: So fucking WHAT!? Cats NEED freedom. Locking them up is animal abuse. Even training them is abuse. IF YOU WANT TO CONTROL AN ANIMAL GET A DOG YOU STUPID PIECE OF SHIT. I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
>Toxoplasmosis brains when a dog minding their own business behind their own fence catches their cat trespassing and does to the cat what the cat has done to 100 rare parrots: KILL ANY DOG THAT HARMS ANY OTHER ANIMAL KILL IT DOGS ARE FUCKING WORTHLESS KILL THE DOG KILL IT KILL IT KILL IT KILL IT. I just can't understand why people would want to kill my kitty tho he's free and MUCH smarter than any dog
>The dog: That was a weird rat. Kinda big and pointy ngl. Still tasted good.
Cat people are so easy to hate that it's no wonder /an/ despises cats by extension

>>5077123
Hopefully after they get rid of all the feral ones they move on to the domestic ones owners let outside

>>5077172
lol

>5090256
you schiozs are like troons

>>5090256
True and honest depiction of cat person insanity
>my cat can do whatever it wants wherever it wants and be immune from consequences. cats are wild, free, and choose us. only dogs are stupid slaves.
All of them say exactly this. They are idiots.

>>5077125
The cats will just be caught to be put down.
It's probably going to be mostly hunting.

>>5081620
>>5082413
No, you retards, they killed the Moriori after being prompted to by the British and being given the arms to do so.
They British also struggled to control the Island, and nearly abandoned colonisation attempts until they started converting them to Christianity and changing the cultural practices.
>>5084029
>Just lie down and accept domination
No western European culture did this under the romans, especially the Britons. The British Isles declined in Population post Rome contact due to reverting to a 'savage state' and not being able to continue living as their roman rulers did.
>in many cases even made their culture into what it is today
That is every post colonial culture.

t.Maori

>>5077153
Just warn the people and don't let your dogs eat dead animals?
>>5077176
Are you retarded?
>>5077172
Maori killed animals they liked, but over hunted them, as pretty much every other human population has done. You are a schizo and need help.
>>5078252
Australia was populated by mammals. The mega fauna died due to humans and climate change.
You can't just replace animals with ones from other continents, that is the opposite of genetic diversity.
New Zealand was incomplete, it had megafauna, predators and herbivores in abundance.
>In the wild feral cats would be kept in check by birds of prey and larger predators.
Which NZ lacks. Are you really this retarded?
>t.maori, again

>>5088914
Your fat will be foaming at the mouth soon enough.
>>5088025
>>5087837
This

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>>5090895
>You can't just replace animals with ones from other continents, that is the opposite of genetic diversity.
Yes you can. Tell me why a giant extinct kangaroo is any different from a horse when they both eat the same stuff and fulfil the same ecological role as a grazer. The only difference is how they look.
>>In the wild feral cats would be kept in check by birds of prey and larger predators.
>Which NZ lacks. Are you really this retarded?
So introduce those too

>>5090932
If you want to see horses, there are many places in the world where you can see them. Australia/NZ is for cool marsupials and other animals that you can't see anywhere else.

>>5090935
Did those horses actually make any other species go extinct? Or did they just change the plant community and autists freaked out that now it's different from what it's "supposed to be"?
Once again you want to take a snapshot of the ecosystem and refuse to allow it to change, which is fundamentally flawed because the climate is changing and organisms are moving around.
If you were around a few million years ago you'd be standing in Panama trying to keep animals from migrating between the Americas.

>>5077123
That's fine.
I like cats a lot but they are one of the most destructive mother fuckers on the planet from an ecological point of view. The only thing that has caused more extinctions is humans. The reason cats are so destructive is they breed fast and are one of the few animals that just kills shit for the sheer fun of murdering stuff.

Like I said though, love my little psychopaths.

>>5077373
>Feral dogs

Speaking of, I never understood how dingos were a problem in Australia. We have them in the USA and they are chill.

>>5091012
bogan sheep ranchers make hicks look smart and sheep make cattle look like badasses

you know bogans are dumb fucks because lamb and mutton taste like shit

>>5077424
>The issue with cat culls though it is tends to produce rat/mice booms which again harass and attack ground-nesting birds.
things that never happened

>>5077123
Lol, lmao
Didn't they cousins fail to take out bigg ah birds?

>>5077172
oh no

>>5091128
Birds rule, cats drool

Nooooo

>>5077123
Uplifting news. Kiwis really care about wildlife.

>>5093558
if only Americans did as well

>>5082863
>Cat people are fucking stupid and let their pets roam with no ID, no collar, no chips, no vet records, nothing.
>put your pet under i survellience
Why are anti-cat people such control freaks?

>>5094984
i am for freedom hence i believe cats have the right to roam directly into coyotes and huskies waiting jaws without human interference

>>5094989
thats not the same as using military hardware to kill stray cats

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New Zealanders be like: i want native mammalian carnivoran at home
Mom: We have native mammalian carnivoran at home
Native mammalian carnivoran at home:

>>5095334
These are much better than cats

>>5077172
I loved reading this

>>5077123
Good, they are an enviromental disaster

>>5077123
Based. No more unique bird species and tuataras winding up dead because of shitty pest cats. I don't see a downside to this.

>>5077172
>the only right thing to do is stop the cycle of senseless killing and let the cats be.
Yes and let them wipe out all birds and other native animals in their habitat? Why do you think invasive species deserve to stay into an introduced habitat killing native wildlife and causing ecosystem collapse and preventable extinctions?
>they only want to kill the cats because they are a proxy for white culture.
You have profound mental retardation. This is the type of logic i'd expect in transvestites.

I hate Mammals.

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>>5096891
Same.

Holy fucking based cats are vermin

Pathetic ecosystems can’t cope over cats kek

>>5096790
You know who also wipe out all birds and other native animals in their habitat, and destroys the hábitat in question? Farmers and corporations. Can we kill those too?

>>5077123
Good plan. They also ought to criminalize owning cats + shoot on site for any cat seen outdoors (not just ferals), otherwise there will always be ferals.

>>5077123
New Zealand is actually pretty well suited to doing this without harming native animals.
Their only native mammals are bats, seals and cetaceans so baiting and hunting can both be pretty easily targeted at only killing invasive species. Nobody is going to care if they kill some invasive ferrets or possums while they try to exterminate cats.
>But what about my pet cat?
Keep it inside.

>>5077172
Reminder that smart reasonable and totally sane Jews don’t WANT to replace white people since there IS NO BETTER REPLACEMENT but since the majority of Jews see themselves as constantly on the move they don’t actually SEE this for what it is — that Indians and Chinese are not more suitable than white people.

>>5077172
>Let the illegal immigrants run rampant and kill the native locals because that's le..beneficial for ecosystem development!
How to spot a larping brownoid. I'm glad ICE is killing retards like you.

>>5088454
I'm Jewish and I'm strongly in favor of killing feral cats.

>>5090932
>Tell me why a giant extinct kangaroo is any different from a horse when they both eat the same stuff and fulfil the same ecological role as a grazer
First of all giant kangaroos weren’t grazers, they were browsers. They don’t fill the same niche at all. Second of all they didn’t have hooves that cause erosion like horses. Third of all there were predators around at the time that could hunt large herbivores, nowadays there are no large terrestrial predators in Australia

>>5078252
>New Zealand and Australia are anomalies, they are young and incomplete ecosystems
Australia’s ecosystem is old not young, far older than any placental mammal or ecosystem dominated by them

Keep c*ts out of new zealand.