>>5088030
- Inconsistent and arcane criteria for his tier rankings.
- Gimmick gets old after a few videos.
- Thinks he's an expert and gets mad when people correct him.
- Promotes lazy "pop science."

because you're a bad person who can't handle the words of an intelligent and heartfelt man. sincerity is a poison to you

I don't care how many times you make this thread. Make it a thousand, a million times. I don't know or care who this is. If it's you I am never going to engage with your contentent intentionally, beyond this single post on 4chan.org where I call you a nigger and tell you to go shove a banana in your ear you fucking retard. Kill yourself with a wrench. Eat shit. Get cancer. Die.

>>5088111
Buck broken

>>5088030
the gimmick was already played out years ago so I don't understand why people still watch his stuff but it's just inoffensive entertainment, don't know how you can actively dislike it

>>5088030
It's always the same 5 fucking games he uses for every joke

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>>5088111
>shove a banana in your ear
>t.

Zefrank is better.

>>5088689
I liked Zefrank before the hiatus but after it i find his videos pretty lame and i am not sure why

>>5088754
oh damn didn't know he still made vids. just saw the one on bats and thought it was cute and funny

>>5088754
Maybe because he focuses more on actual science rather than the goofs? idk I still really like him

>>5088773
Idk bro. It's not that i think they are worse i just don't enjoy them as much

The gimmick was funny and fresh the first few times he uploaded video but that was years ago. I haven't even looked at or thought of that channel in years but I'd imagine he's stuck doing it until it stops working because that's what the audience wants.

I enjoy his content because it's fun
The fact that the videos are the same now as when he just started works because he uploads a video once a month at most

>>5088030
Do people unironically watch this? It’s cringe as fuck.

>>5088030
His scorpion video was ridiculous. He doesn't understand that they have motion sensors and don't just rely on their eyes.

>>5088030
He never recovered after the paleo community trashed his dinosaur video and exposed him as an ignoramus.

>>5089141
Why would he ever hire Trey to write his dinosaur video? is he retarded?

>>5089184
trey was doing a pretty good job pretending to be a paleontologist until bell et al shredded him

he actually seems pretty chill on his second channel, i think he leans into the reddit format for his videos because it works, he also straight up admits his newest video is just a stitched together compilation to abuse long form content monetization so at least hes honest lol

>>5089185
He got so absolutely BTFO that he left the topic of paleontology entirely. I will always keep that moment close to my heart.

>>5088030
>Still watching this liberal/crypto-kike faggot after he posted that neanderthals getting blacked quasi propaganda video

Holy cringe.

>>5089220
>neanderthals getting blacked quasi propaganda video
Huh?

>>5089205
>>5089185
details?

>>5089220
it is amazing how you faggots can somehow steer any sort of topic into schizo ramblings about black cuck fetishes.

>>5089246
Trey is a guy that pretended to be a paleontologist and was pretty much the face of the horrible "i fucking love science" phase paleontology had in the mid 2010's.
At some point real paleontologists got tired of his shit and published a paper detailing all the scale impressions on T. rex and its close relatives to get him to shut the fuck up.
At first Trey tries to cope and say they are wrong but it doesn't take long until he realizes his stance is indefensible so he stops making videos about dinosaurs entirely.

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>>5089246
For more context i recommend searching "Trey" on desuarchive. This anon put it very well

>>5088030
Is he? I've only seen like half a dozen of his videos but they seemed fine to me.
>>5088033
>Inconsistent and arcane criteria for his tier rankings
From what I can tell it's just:
>Packs good
>Uncontested food good
>Prone to parasites/predation from above bad
Dunno about the other three points because I haven't watched enough. I just think the videos I did watch were fine to good.

>>5089220
Are you talking about that weird “sexy Neanderthal” theory? Isn’t that the other way around - Neanderthals took human women, forcing some human men to get with Neanderthal women?

>>5088030
his criteria is stupid and gets boring fast
if anything an animal's "ranking" (success) should be based on how prolific they are

>>5089049
>>5089141
>>5089205
>>5089422
He has done nothing but promote learning about our natural world in an informative and entertaining way. The least you guys could be is thankful and for what it's worth you might want to try a different attitude. Petty doesn't suit you.

>>5089596
I don't know anything about tierzoo. I just know I spent several years on /an/ arguing about T. rex feathers with someone who either was Trey the Explainer, or who mirrored his every argument.

These conversations were collected and forwarded to a paleontologist who had published extensively on the topic, and in response he and other colleagues put together a paper on feathers in tyrannosaurids that not coincidentally rebutted every single argument presented on /an/ over those years.

some of this discussion appears in archives, though the archives don't go back far enough to cover all of it.

Whether that anon was actually Trey or not I don't know. I believe it was based on some things he said on his channel and his arguments being an exact mirror of Trey's talking points. If so, he should be honored as he is (as far as I know) the only youtuber to ever have a full team of scientists publish a paper specifically to counter his misinformation.

>>5089596
however despite all this
>>5089598
I don't dislike Trey. If it was him I debated on /an/ he was generally civil. He did reach out to one of the authors of the paper before it was published, but due to embargo he didn't get a useful response. When he decided that he had been mistaken he took down a couple of his videos and apologized for being wrong. Which I thought was quite decent of him. Though perhaps necessary given the public nature of his platform.

anyways, if that was Trey on /an/ I have no reason to hate him. I think he was mistaken about some stuff but he changed his opinion when confronted with PUBLISHED information. He didn't believe me when I told him the same information for years prior, but that's to be expected on 4chan. Why should anyone believe what I say, or anyone says here?

overall he seems a very decent guy. More honest than some here.

>>5088030
If his standards were even remotely consistent then I could at least appreciate the gimmick more even in the face of shoddy information from outdated documentaries or his own ass. Being hyper-specialized is bad and ranks you low, unless you're hyper-specialized to be a badass ultra predator. Unless you're a predator of fish, then that's lame. Unless you're a sea snake, then you're S tier. Intelligence is highly valued and is often the deciding factor in whether or not an animal gets a decent ranking, except when it isn't. Tortoises get a middling rank for being nigh indestructible yet dim witted herbivorous tanks, (even though turtles are reasonably intelligent by reptile standards) but sauropods get S tier for the same reason. If it was just about what animals would win in a fight, then fair enough, but it's this weird inconsistent mix of combat proficiency, general survivability, and nebulous cool factor that ultimately makes the "Tier" part of TierZoo utterly meaningless since what he's ranking can easily change within the span of a single list, let alone amongst his whole catalogue.

>>5089596
Fuck no i am not thankful for him ruining paleoart for 10 years. We are just now getting out of that awful unscientific phase

>>5089667
He ranked housecats high on int lel

>>5089252
>Trey is a guy that pretended to be a paleontologist and was pretty much the face of the horrible "i fucking love science" phase paleontology had in the mid 2010's.

Wait, is it this Trey?

https://www.youtube.com/c/TREYtheExplainer

>>5089737
that's the one

>>5089604
I sometimes wonder if he was malicious or just that retarded to think "you can't prove x therefore it is accurate!" is how science works

>>5089810
a bit of both I think
he had his opinion and he was emotionally attached to it. That emotion was probably some sort of anger. He certainly got angry when his opinion was challenged. So yeah, probably a bit malicious

but he also wasn't smart enough to understand stuff like statistical sampling and bootstrapping.
Someone that's taken statistics would understand how a single patch of scaled skin can give a near 90% certainty that the entire animal was scaled. Or that 13 patches of scaled skin make it pretty much impossible for feathers to have been present, even if the patches are tiny or large sections of skin are missing. Anyone doing science should automatically understand this. The odds of a random sample NOT being representative are tiny. The odds of 13 random samples not being representative are basically zero.

>>5089810
Assuming he was the guy I was debating on /an/, he also ignored information and citations that disagreed with him.

I recall I told him that The Dueling Dinos/Bloody Mary specimen had Tyrannosaurus skin preserved, and those patches numbers over a dozen from areas of the tail, hips, back, neck, face, and legs.
This was information that Larson had published in lecture, but there wasn't a citation online at the time for this. I told him to contact Larson and ask about it. He did contact Larson and asked about rex feathers, but didn't bother to ask about the skin from the Bloody Mary tyrannosaur. I brought it up repeatedly and he ignored it because he personally couldn't check the citation.

this indicates he wasn't arguing in good faith, in an attempt to learn anything. He didn't want to learn, in fact he got really pissed when he was forced to learn.

>>5088030
Because his gimmick is stale. The video format and trope got stale within a few videos. Now it's just cringe to hear this grown ass man talk about real animals as if they are video game characters, giving them stats and putting them on a list even though any animal is far more complex than these basic game mechanics. It's stale, boring, and inaccurate.

>>5089737
are the old T. Rex videos still up?

>>5089824
There's not even any jokes the majority of the time, it's just the most basic rundown possible of an animal with occasional mentions of other species as "builds" and video game hud elements over documentary clips, some of which aren't even relevant to the clip at hand. I watched the mollusk video and a part that stuck out to me was when the Kirby 64 hud was up on screen at one point, but it wasn't relevant and didn't do anything in relation to what the animal was doing in the clip. It's literally just there. It could have worked as a joke for the blue sea dragon where it collects the man o war's nematocysts as the spike ability, or the coconut octopus as the rock ability, but it's literally just a hud on a clip. I know he doesn't give a shit about actually learning about animals, but I have to wonder if he even gives a shit about video games either.

>>5089252
>>5089256
Careful with those opinions, you'll be called paleoschizo.

>>5089256
>>5089252
>>5089205
>>5089185
https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/no-feathers-in-the-best-t-rex-reconstruction/3328/5

>>5089141
>after the paleo community trashed his dinosaur video
It did?
I mean, the video was retarded, yammering about small brains being unsuitable for cooperative behaviour and in the same breath lauding sauropods for forming herds was amazing in an AI has better reflection on what it just wrote way (he also had a comparable goof when he lauded ants for being unsurmountably strong while showing a video of termites dabbing on ants), but I wasn't actually aware this had larger repercussions.

>>5088030
Always has been. I liked him back then. People collectively grew up and find the Youtubers that they like cringe (e.g. Moistcritikal, Oneyplays)

>rhinos in D tier
what the fuck is he ranking them based on?

>>5090152
About the mollusk video, the fact that he even put cephalopods in any rank below A tier is fucking insane. They're all extremely good at surviving.

>>5090157
I don't care

>>5090233
Most cephalopods are low-to-middle on the food chain and have very short lifespans.

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What do YOU think the tier list should be based on? Should it be biomass, or the amount of resources the "guild" controls? Or just based on combat ability?
if it's the former then krill could be your number 1, and humans would shitstomp the latter

>>5090468
I would say it should be their ability to fuck more than they die

>>5088679
You whore!

>>5090283
That's squids though. Octopuses have high intelligence and insane camouflage, can make shelters and use tools, etc. And yet he put some octopuses in tiers below S.

It's just too formulaic at this point, I don't understand how people subscribe to watch the same joke over and over. Even worse is that the viewership inflated his ego and he thinks his youtube poop tier videos are serious business

>>5090589
Apparently he won an award for "learning and education" a couple years ago so that might have had something to do with the ego boost.

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No need to get mad at any sciencetuber, a fucking coin toss is more often right than any scientist.

>>5090560
should we be punishing r selection that much even when 1 dude can have like thousands of children

I think getting mad at him is a sign of your inflated ego

>>5088030
Unchecked ego.
He’s been going after actual scientists nowadays when they disagree with him, usually sending his army of 14 year olds after them in the process.
He claims to want to be educational and learn himself, but he freaks the fuck out when people correct basic information he gets wrong.

>>5090468
It depends on what kind of meme you want to push.
>pure MMO larp
Yeah, it would be something like biomass or "plans", but I'd base it less on WoW and more on something like Eve Online. It would be funny to have the plankton guild actual run the biosphere economy while Humans think they're the ones pulling the strings in the livestock guilds.
>actual survival larp
It'd be difficult because most things would be C or above. The reality is that only hyper specialized animals like pandas which are barely able to survive on their own are D or F tier, and generalists would win S tier every time because those are the ones that actually survive extinctions. Megafauna tend to be an evolutionary dead end.

>>5090989
how would you want a survival larp tier list to be done? would it be how long the group has been successful for? so, jellyfish at the top?

>>5090987
>basic information he gets wrong
In his ice age video, tierzoo seems to not know about short-faced bears/think they're cave bears. He talked about cave bears being able to easily steal kills from dire wolves and saber-toothed tigers, even though those lived in the Americas while cave bears lived in Eurasia, while showing footage of a short-faced bear attacking dire wolves.

>>5091245
I think you'd do it for "can they survive a mass extinction". Length of survival is ridiculous, just because jellyfish evolved earliest doesn't make them "better" (although it is a generally good survival strategy).

>>5089667
>what he's ranking can easily change within the span of a single list
This. He seems to intentionally subvert expectations and not put the obvious choice in the top tier a lot. Like putting jaguars over lions and tigers or black bears over polar and brown bears. I remember the bird tier list where he placed eagles in A tier and secretary birds in S tier despite the latter basically being a less well armed eagle that’s worse at flying and can’t hunt large prey. Literally the only thing I can think of is he likes secretary birds and didn’t want to put eagles at the top because that would be too predictable

>>5089596
>He has done nothing but promote learning about our natural world in an informative and entertaining way
Yet he had a meltdown online about documentaries using scientific names and when people called him out on the hypocrisy of his take, he resorted to namecalling because he just can't stand being told he's wrong, which is the opposite of what someone who wants to make edutainment should do.

>>5090200
He didn't liked them. It seems that there is a higher correlation about animal popularity among the public to its classification than any actual survival ability hierarchy.

>>5091673
He said ceratosaurus means “serrated lizard”. I don’t know why an “educational” youtuber can’t just google something so basic and well known.
>Tierzoo is so educational!
>he gets very base level facts wrong all the time
>Who said he’s educational! It’s just entertainment stop taking it seriously!
All in the same conversation.

>>5089667
he also put cassowaries in F tier

>>5091834
yeah but why does he not like them tho, aren't they big and epic like elephants and hippos, which he gave S tier

>>5092076
He believes the myth about them being nearly blind and just forgot about them being nearly immune to predation as adults

What causes this worship of ecelebs we’ve been seeing a lot over the last few years? Tierzoo fans do crazy mental gymnastics to defend him.

>>5092267
People don't read primary sources anymore, and rely on middlemen to do it for them. Ecelebs are part of this ecosystem.

>>5092267
Ipad kids who received no attention from their parents

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>>5092233
if you're just judging species by how well they can defend their offspring then wouldn't all insects be bottom tier

>>5092332
Not true, some insects do take the effort to hide eggs or protect them. Like Tarantula Wasps do a pretty good job.
But, at the same time, r selection is completely viable. Most animals just throw their offspring into the wind and assume that predators can't eat everything.

>>5092267
People have a need for idols, e-celebs seem to fill that, and as other anons have pointed out, nowadays parents are no longer as involved with the education of their children, leaving them to be entertained and raised by social media.

>>5092332
>if you're just judging species by how well they can defend their offspring
Nobody said this

>>5088030
Is that channel still a thing? I thought his first couple videos were funny but the gimmick must be getting old at this point

>>5092349
it seemed like the main focus of the weaknesses section of his rhino video

>>5092380
Didn’t watch it and don’t plan to

>>5092391
why are you trying to argue about it, then?

>>5092879
Nobody is arguing

>>5088030
TierZoo is based and reads /an/ all the time for tips

>>5093818
That explains why he gets so much wrong

Seems the universal experience (for people whose mouths don't open when they have their photo taken) is you find the first video you see pretty great, but then only two or 3 videos max are enjoyable before the gimmick gets painfully stale and you dread the thought of having to ever sit through any more of it.

He does a good job finding footage of animals fighting Ill give him that.

>>5094641
Pretty much this

>>5094641
>(for people whose mouths don't open when they have their photo taken)

You don't smile for the camera?

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>>5095010
There's a big difference between smiling and having a gaping mouth

>>5095014
Its an ancient jewish tradition, chud
https://www.timesofisrael.com/eerie-neolithic-masks-to-make-israel-museum-debut/

>>5095016
kek

>>5094641
My experience was he talked about subjects I actually have knowledge in and it was very evident he didn’t do any sort of research.

>>5095845
such as?

Didn't tierzoo fall for some jurassic park tier scam about bringing back dinosaurs?

>>5097385
I've been trying to being back dinosaurs for the last 5 months but I've only got a budget of £500 so I've not made much progress

>>5088030
He's not. I actually like his videos.
Are they accurate or particularly deep scientifically? Very much not, but it's better than most Youtube slop content.

>>5097347
His paleontology videos were fucking disgustingly poorly researched. He got things wrong that a quick google search would correct and said that hadrosaurs and sauropods would be easy pickings for tigers.

>>5097607
>sauropods would be easy pickings for tigers

lmao, no way

>>5097607
He had Trey the Explainer as a consultant for the paleontology videos so it's easy to see why they are so ass

>>5090569

Squids are cephalopods tho.

>>5088030
He is to bitch boys like yourself

>>5098924
>yeah bro jaguars would leap on them from trees bro
Not joking btw
>>5098943
He bragged on twitter about doing no research and proceeded to delete it when he was called out. It was like he was expecting praise for it.

The dude wants to be educational but won’t do the bare minimum and freaks the fuck out whenever he gets something wrong and people call him on it. His parasocial zoomer fans don’t help with his delusions of grandeur.

>Hes so educational! Hes doing a good thing why is anyone upset?
>because stating falsehoods isn’t educational.
>Um, it’s just entertainment bro!
Why are Tierzoo fans like this?