They feel like sausages and it’s deeply unpleasant.

>>5092692
I’ve always wanted a smug larger-than-me talking snake to wrap me up in its coils and flick its tongue in my face as I try futilely to escape its grasp.

>>5092986
It would feel like a raw sausage and be unpleasant.

>>5092692
being out hiking and stepping on a rattler where neither one of you see each other beforehand and it reflexively biting you is a legitimate fear

>>5092988
thats why you get a stick, you stupid retard, scan the ground like a blind person

>>5092692
>t. snake

>>5092697
how do you know? I've never had a snake up my butt

>>5092995
Only educated whites that have overcome their natural instincts would do that. Third worldies would just act accordingly to pure intuitive, like how a deer would react when being eaten by a python.

Using a stick and scan the area for rational judgement to declare there's danger hiding require THINKING, humans are only capable of it artificially through civilization.

By default, humans as a species ARE stupid retard ape naturally selected to be eaten.

>>5093033
You are a furry with a vore fetish and your worldview is tinted by your degenerate sexual disorder

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>>5093033
>only educated whites…

>>5092986
Same but unfortunately the vore fags have absolutely destroyed the snake art market

snakes are just long lizards

>>5092692
Unless you count mosquitoes, snakes kill more humans than any other animal on earth.

How do snakes sleep without eyelids? Do their eyes turn off?

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>>5094273
Kinda. You can also tell when they’re asleep because their eyes will roll in random directions

Fear of easily missed serpents that historicly led to death with a single bite and anything that has the same form is entirely rational and something nature selected for.

Imagine going to fetch water from the well and while carrying a heavy pal some tiny camoflauge thing designed toblend in bites your calf and you die.

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>>5092692
I wouldn't call it unnecessary. Just overblown.

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>>5092692
I remember the most legit offended I have ever felt was when I once told someone I owned a frog and a gecko and they told me I totally looked like a snake guy or someone who would own snakes. I am sure they meant it as a form of endearment and to make it seem like it was sorta cool, but fuck, it made me incredibly self-concious and insecure as I know what "snake guys" are like.

I have really tried to like snakes, and in some cases they can be cute, but I just can't really wrap my head around them so to speak. I don't see the personalities people claim to see in them or them being really "social". It's like with frogs I love them and find them endearing animals because they are so stupid and caught up in their own little world that I am drawn to like them. But frogs arn't social, they just tolerate you. I am under no illusion that my frogs see me as a giant ape who sometimes shoves food in their face. Snakes read the exact same to me. Snakes care about being in a warm enviroment and acess to food, that's it. They might want to come out to explore territory but that's the extent of it. Like frogs they learn to tolerate handling and to associate you with food.

All of this isn't really a problem per say, they are just a sterotypical show or display pet in the sameway frogs can be. They're interesting animals. But to me it seems like most people who are "snake people" don't see the same reality as I do. They place so much character or personality onto them when all I see is an animal climbing around their arms to explore unfamiliar surroundings or reach higher ground. I have been told before
>oh anon you need a rat snake
>they will totally change the way you see snakes, I promise!
but then when I interacted with them I don't see any real...well...anything exactly. They will stare at you from their enclosure or expect to be taken out to explore tsurroundings, but I don't sense any real bond or connection that you would get with something even as dumb as a geck

>>5094521
I like snakes a lot, so it's sad, but I think I have to agree with you
I do want a snake, but from what it seems, one of the reasons I am hesitant is that, well, like you said, anything about snakes and bonding and personality seems to usually just be... cope, really
They don't really differ in personality aside from maybe "more active" and "prefers to curl up and hibernate", they never bond or hold you in affection, not really. Even their hearing is unorthodox compared to other pets. They just... exist. It's great if you want a lower energy pet, which has its appeal, at least...
Maybe they're mistaking some breeds being too lazy to run away for being affectionate or social... or mistaking one of the more aggressive/won't stay still temperaments for character?

However, to give credit where it is due, hognoses do exist, and they are very dramatic, so there is some personality out there for the species. I like that they play out an entire very visible fake death if you poke them once...

I think that there are perhaps also probably a number of "snake guys" who only exist because of the conception it is a dangerous / exotic pet, but this is a lot more of a speculative point. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if people adopted them just to look "hard"...

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>>5094550
>I think that there are perhaps also probably a number of "snake guys" who only exist because of the conception it is a dangerous / exotic pet, but this is a lot more of a speculative point
I know a reptile shop owner who often runs into people like that. A lot of it is a power or cred thing and usually those same people will go after specific morphs just for bragging rights. There have been times where a snake is found on the street and she has had to take it in and then the original owner comes in to claim it and it is the exact same kinda person. Worst part is even if they have caused the snake to escape or get lost on the street to begin with they can still reclaim it if they have clear evidence of past ownership which they often do because, again, they like to post and brag about owning a snake.

In someways I can understand how someone could have such a mentality. If someone came up to me and offered a python free of charge or free of any other strings attatched I would be reluctant. But if someone instead said I could have a burmese or a yellow anaconda I would be lying if I said I wouldn't be trying to crunch numbers or workout the logistics of keeping one in my mind because, well, it's a free burmese or anaconda. They are as big on wow or cool factor as you can possibly get but it's also something not many people could say they own. However, I would argue the difference between assholes who want animals because they think it's cool or cred worthy or something like my own example is that I know my limits and care about the husbandry of the aninal. In the burmese / anaconda situation I would decline the oppertunity because I know I won't be able to properly look after or care for one, but a lot these guys would in a heartbeat and they would settle for less without providing proper care. They just want the status of owning the animal, it's care is secondary. Or maybe I'm coping with my own hypocrisy.

>>5094521
Snakes are considered the least social of all reptiles. It's as much of a biological robot as you can get that's not an insect.

>>5094559
>It's as much of a biological robot as you can get that's not an insect
that's frogs

>>5094560
Yeah but that's amphibians

>>5094560
Yes, Amphibians too.

>Biological robot
Bro???
Plants?????

>>5092692
Is it a HUGE fucking python? You have every right to be scared of them since they can and do eat humans!

>>5094774
only retics have

>>5094849
and eating starved retarded third world children isn't much of an accomplishment

>>5094559
>It's as much of a biological robot as you can get that's not an insect.
that’s zoomers

>>5094890
to be fair they have gotten a couple of emaciated 3rd world adults

>>5094774
You deserve to die if you can't beat a snake to death.

>>5094559
>Snakes are considered the least social of all reptiles
That would be turtles

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>>5094521
>>5094550
>>5094559
>>5094560
>>5095007
Your problem is you are judging snakes and herps in general through mammal standards. In mammals the norm is being raised by parents, audio and visual cues, grooming, etc. They make good pets because if you raise them they imprint on you and its very easy to bond with them.
Herps are just as social and have personalities but it's different. They use pheromones to communicate and other things that are barely comprehensible to us. They roam and defend their territories, interact with each other, pair bond, etc. Of course one that lives in a 20 gallon fish tank its entire life is going to be boring because it can't actually act how its supposed to.

Look at pic related, a male and female. Would you consider it love?

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>>5095007
Disagree, Turtles can be accustomed and interested in people when you make it apparent you aren't a threat. Snapping turtles are surprisingly intelligent and can be tamed to the point of acting like some kind of personable house pet instead of being hyper aggressive. Redfoot and especially Aldabra tortoises find comfort being in herds, enjoy neck and back scratches from owners and will often look forward for said grooming. So far from what i've seen when it comes to most species of snakes, they seem to be pretty solitary creatures entirely that do not seek out interaction most of the time, they mostly just tolerate your presence and rarely interact with other snakes outside mating or predation. There do seem to be exceptions like garter and rattlesnakes from what I know of so I'm not denying the possibility that some snakes could be more social than we think.

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>people's fear of snakes is unnecessary

>>5095007
turtles are literally the most dog-like of any reptile bar the intelligent lizards.

>>5092692
>fearing a maneating predator is unnecessary
How did you type this post without any limbs?

>>5095035
>>5095065
Acting like a dog isn’t sociality. Turtles as a whole are more solitary than snakes. They’re also far more territorial than snakes are

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>>5095007
Turtles are by far not the least social.

Sulcuta and Aldabras in particular are very dog like as >>5095065 points out. The problem with >>5095119 is that there are turtles which are solitary, but there are a bunch of species which arn't. It's case by case species to species. A Herman or Horsefield is solitary and you will only get away with having 2 females or a male and female that were introduced as hatchlings together, but species like Aldabra stay in groups and actually require socialization or frequent interaction if you can't have two of them. But this is ignoring the fact that even solitary species can still be social like Sulcuta or Red-Footed (even though it could be argued Reds arn't solitary to a certain degree) with enough exposure to human interaction when they associate humans with petting or hand feeding, going out of their way to follow or hangout with people they are familiar with. That is some degree of social behavior you can't really see in other reptiles that arn't large lizards. However while something like a Tegu will live to be 20 max and can be unpredictable in terms of behavior, a lifelong turtle will have an ingrained social connection to you that builds with time and without the behavioral risks that come with large reptiles like monitors as a whole.

Now take all that and compare them to snakes, the difference is night and day between them.

>>5094559
The least social reptile i've worked with by far was a green iguana. He didn't like anybody no matter how hard I tried to make him feel comfortable. Snakes, turtles and other medium/large lizards were leagues better in experience.

>>5095119
Nigga shut up dogs are the bar that literally every other animal on the planet is compared to. If an animal acts like a dog, normies will like it and think it's one of gods creation and has a soul and intelligence. If it doesn't act like a dog specifically, then it's a background mob and just an animal. Nobody ACTUALLY cares about octopuses or apes or tigers or anything other than mammalian social quadrupeds that are the socially accepted animal.

>>5095134
Trainability also doesn't equal intelligence. Pet trade Crested and leopard geckos are easy to tame down and even train, but they're dumber than bricks and can barely feed themselves.

>>5095172
Which is true. I never said iguanas were dumb, just jackasses that are better off not being bothered with at all.

>>5095215
>reptilian cats

>>5092692
especially the small constrictors

>>5095235
kingsnakes are awesome. very cute and personable snakes

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>>5093033
>By default, humans as a species ARE stupid retard ape naturally selected to be eaten

>>5095217
They are pretty invasive like cats too so that's a good comparison.

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>>5093033
>>5095351
Evolutionists never stop pushing their science-denying fairy tale creation myth for their humanist religion everywhere they go.

It's their answer for why everything is as it is, their "darwin of the gaps" theory. Then they act like victims when someone tells them how retarded they are for believing that dumb shit which requires blind faith in spite of all the evidence we actually see and laws of science we know. There's a reason so many cellular biologists stop believing in evolution, but most won't say the emperor has no clothes because evolution cultists will try to ruin their livelihood over it (shows you the nature of the debate, just like them wanting to rescind degrees from "heretics" to the evolutionism state religion).

The evolutionist cries out in pain as he subverts and destroys civilized society and promotes faggotry and beastiality and communism. But these useful idiot retards didn't learn a single thing from the communist takeover of mainland China.

You may be a "stupid retard ape" but not me, don't drag me down to your level, subhuman. You evolutiontards are more obnoxious than that old JWanon. Just know-it-all retards who know nothing and never questioned their indoctrination because they're just not bright or bold enough.

>>5095369
>the bible is the word of god
>herod never had the newborns massacred
>jews were never enslaved in egypt and the sojourn never happened
>no global flood
>no noahs ark, impossible story regardless
>4 conflicting stories about a man who likely wasn't real
>foundational myth literally a ripoff of atra-hasis, an epic about humans being created as slave monkeys to two powerful alien races and dealing with a regional flood
ok, so what is your alternative besides the jewish book of plagiarism and outright lies?

most life on earth naturally evolved
if the universe was created it had multiple creators, plus a maintenance crew, and the bible is just narcissistic jewish lying
deal with it

>>5094521
Snakes arent really "social" they do "bond" with you in a sense, but not like a dog or a cat or anything. They mostly just get used to the way you handle them and they just do whatever and tolerate whatever you do. Very chill. Cute.

>>5095370
Nta, but almost all of that is false in the sense that there is actual historical basis. You're parroting literal r/atheism talking points, although >>5095369 is a retard

>>5095428
There really isnt any historical basis for exodus as told tho. Its faker than talmudic jews pretending to be jews.

>>5095443
You did have the Hyksos though that were part of Egypt for sometime who were semtic, with some even being documented in becoming members of courts like Moses is recalled to have been. This and the way slavery worked in Egypt, with laborers being conscripted from vassals and peasantry under threat of their familys taking their place, means Egyptian history did have semitic slaves for a period of time.

>>5095128
>Now take all that and compare them to snakes, the difference is night and day between them
Lots of snakes are social. Rattlesnakes, garter snakes, ball pythons, etc. Pointing out a couple species of social tortoise doesn’t really change that. There are also turtles that are so territorial that they will often try kill each other on sight even if they’re the opposite sex. The same cannot be said for snakes, at most they might be opportunistically cannibalistic or fight a bit in the breeding season

>>5095035
cool dog, no wonder the indians thought the world was on a turtles back, its cool

>>5095466
>Lots of snakes are social. Rattlesnakes, garter snakes, ball pythons, etc. Pointing out a couple species of social tortoise doesn’t really change that
I have never understood that argument with ball pythons, plus your applying one standard and denying me another. Take the most social turtle species and compare them to the most social snake species, there is still an obvious difference.

>>5095370
>>5095369
You're both on the other sides of the retarded spectrum. Seek help.

>>5095466
A lot of crocodilian species will absolutely kill or cannibalize each other through territorial intentions too yet they are the most social set of reptiles out of all of them on the planet. I think what anon means is the amount of species in general in their group needs to outweigh more than how many of them are extremely solitary or territorial, lethal intentions to others or not. Things like expending energy, the enviroment/resources and other factors like breeding season could also play a role on varying behavior and temperament which could make answers as a whole for both sides of the argument questionable.

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Only true aryan chudbeasts can appreciate reptiles.

>>5095476
Appreciation does not always translate to veneration or admiration, it just means to understand value where it can be found and that same value can be found in a variety of forms. There is a value to be seen in a merchant who can lie his way to profit, but that does not mean they should be placed on a pedestal. There is a value to be seen in a warrior's ability to travel 100s of miles while murdering and torching every foreign village in his wake, but that isn't something to be desired in a soldier.

In this case you can appreciate the seepent for their lethality, just as other nations use wolves or large cats as part of their iconography.

>>5095134
based introvert

>>5095369
You are proving my point. Humans as a species cope with grief and loss through religion, that's a low-IQ ungulate-tier prey item trait. True apex predators are way above that by design.

>>5095470
You are aswell, you are human.

>>5092692
True. Snakes are just chill lil guys.

>>5094260
Unless you count mosquitos, humans kill four times as many humans as all animals combined. US national parks alone, get 5x homicides as deaths from animal attacks.

>>5092692
I love all reptiles.

>>5095469
>Take the most social turtle species and compare them to the most social snake species, there is still an obvious difference
NTA but I wouldn’t say so. Some snakes are borderline intolerant of living solitarily, I don’t know of any turtles that are the same

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>>5092692
No, retards need fear to keep themselves and animals safe

>>5095655
>NTA but I wouldn’t say so. Some snakes are borderline intolerant of living solitarily, I don’t know of any turtles that are the same
Pancakes Tortoises do best in group structures along with Aldabras, with a good number of species being non-communial but also non-territorial either. However I would be interested to know what species of snake you consider to be reliant on social interaction for proper care

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>>5095734
Also Red-Foots.

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>>5092692
Look at this and tell me fear is unnecessary

>>5095736
You could’ve picked something other than the goofiest looking sock puppet of an anaconda

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>the least social reptile is iguanas
nope
>snakes
no
>turtles
nah

Nobody brought up the Tuatara? They're the only species of their kind yet are extremely territorial against each other. There is your answer right here.

I'm afraid of spiders more than snakes. But even then, only the large ones. Even though statistically they are less deadly.

>>5095743
at least he didn't pick the arabian sand boa
or as I like to think of them, the budgett's frogs of snakes, poor guys

>>5095801
Too few legs >>>>> Too many legs

And they can get into your house, snakes don't really do that in most place.

>>5092692
https://6abc.com/post/pet-snake-wraps-around-mans-neck-elliot-senseman-lehigh-county-death-man-dies/12071745/

>>5095835
Many such cases...

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>>5095128
Despite being solitary, the social parts of tortoise brains are actually really sophisticated. Theyre excellent at forming bonds or rivalries and telling different animals or people apart. A tortoise can get into a fight with another tortoise, not see it for 30 years, and then run into it again and instantly recognize it as an enemy.
My russian tortoise comes running every time she sees me, she'll ignore her food to get attention from me, when she's out she'll sometimes snuggle up with my feet or stop playing to come say hi and check in. She doesn't do any of this for anyone else, even other people who feed and pet her, she doesn't give a shit about them, but she has a strong bond with me specifically because she's spent much of her life with her tank in my room, and i'm the one who interacts with her most often. Specific bonding rituals with one specific person implies pretty sophisticated social thinking.

>>5095369
Gigabased. Don't let these commie retards ever dissuade you from the truth.

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>>5095734
Funny enough gopher tortoises usually share the burrows they dig with indigo and rattlesnakes. The tortoises and snakes don't even attack each other for space or territory either.

>>5095369
the pope said evolution is real

>>5095873
>snake and turtle, together stronk

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>>5092692
True, people's fear of snakes is unnecessary.
But their hatred of them is entirely justified.

>>5093033
>By default, humans as a species ARE stupid retard ape naturally selected to be eaten.
name a single species on earth smarter than humans. and what natural predators do adult chimps, orangutans, and gorillas have? great apes are the top of the food chain wherever they exist, and the normal predators of the area can only hope to poach one of their small isolated young on rare occasion.

tl;dr you're a redditspacing retard.

>>5094521
>as I know what "snake guys" are like.
what are they like? my dad always had a snake and he was a military veteran chad turned married-with-family officeworker with normal man-hobbies like carpentry, wood and metalworking.

>>5096006
>what natural predators do adult chimps, orangutans, and gorillas
Leopards and tigers mainly.

>>5096006
>what natural predators do adult chimps, orangutans, and gorillas have
they routinely get btfo the big cats they share a habitat with
the only great ape at the top of the food chain is us

>>5096181
>us
Literally only conservative men who still believe eating meat and extirpating competing predators is fine. Any so called “ethical” liberal, especially if vegan and anti-hunting, is a domesticated animal under our stewardship.

>>5094557
Yeah, I was a little worried I was strawmanning here or it wasn't a universal experience, but it seems like you know exactly what I'm getting at. To hear that things side with the owner getting off without even a light slap on the wrist is not surprising, but still very disheartening. It's annoying. This must be the reptile equivalent of owning Princess the Pitbull. It's frustrating that it's such a common archetype to see. The morphs thing is also bothersome, because of course, they'll put rarity/appearance over any animal welfare, even if it's a bad thing for their health.

No, no, like you, I get it, yes, they ARE sick (as in really damn cool), but like you said, the difference between you, along with other good owners who keep animals not as an ornamental bragging right is that you fortunately have more than two minutes of foresight and concern for its well being, instead of being a statistic for future regulations that ruin it for everyone else. There's nothing really wrong with being tempted by such an opportunity, who wouldn't be? I know I would too. I wouldn't say you're a hypocrite at all, I agree with you on all points, hypocrisy would be where you just agree, take it, and then toss it into an IKEA cardboard box for the next 20 years. These are the people who are suddenly confused at how much the reticulated python they bought costs in food expenses and why it has grown to 5 metres.

I really hate being an advocate for any sort of regulations given the whole slippery slope, but fuck me, it's sad when retards can't just... be decent and treat living beings as such. (Even if they don't do anything but be long.) Get a monster truck or something...

>>5092986
foreverial delicatized