>Is mining profitable?
>Why should I mine?
See: https://moneroj.net/hashvsprice/
This chart shows that mining makes XMR more valuable by making the network more secure and more expensive to attack. If you have an interest in increasing the value of XMR, consider mining.

>Pools
https://miningpoolstats.stream/monero
Note: qubic.org is a malicious pool that does NOT payout in XMR.

>Reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
>CPU benchmarks
https://xmrig.com/benchmark
>Profit calculators
https://iwillsolo.com/monero/
https://www.coinwarz.com/mining/monero/calculator
Note: the hash rates on xmrig.com are more accurate

>I'm rich and want a dedicated mining device
Antminer X5
Hashrate: 212000 H/s
Power draw: 1350 W
Cost: ~$2800, Doesn't include shipping costs
Hashes per $: ~70
By far the most powerful miner on the market. There's no official bitmain support for this device; you're on your own for updates/repairs

>I'm poor and want a dedicated mining device
MINISFORUM 795S7
Hashrate: 19250 H/s
Power draw: 142 W
Cost: $607 shipped
Hashes per $: 32
As of 2025 it's the best bang for your buck. No room for upgrades, though.

>On P2Pool
Mining in P2Pool is easier than ever with Gupax:

1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, or your own node
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

>DUE TO BOTNETS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!

>Can I use my GPU too?
Yes. MoneroOcean mines GPU-shitcoins, sells them, and pays you out in XMR. To get started, visit the help page on:
https://moneroocean.stream/

>IF MINING ON MONEROOCEAN MAKE SURE YOU'RE USING MO-XMRig TO MAXIMIZE PROFITS

Remember, the value of any currency is in it's acceptance.

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://xmrbazaar.com/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://kycnot.me/?t=service&q=&xmr=on

>Shop on Amazon with XMR!
https://monezon.com
https://peershop.app

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards
https://coincards.com/

>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/

>Anonymous burner phone numbers
https://silent.link/

>Monero-only VPS hosting
https://kyun.host/

>Win XMR!
https://monero.vegas/

>Store XMR securely!


>Darknet vendors for more exotic goods and services
# = recently launched, exercise caution

>Alias Market #
>Asur Market
>Babylon #
>Calypso #
>Candy Haven #
>Chimera Market
>Cloud Market
>Cypher Market
>Dark Matter
>DrugHub #
>DrugTown #
>Drugula #
>FilthyFellas
>Gofish Market #
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>Hectate Market #
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>Pygmalion's Refuge
>Retro Market
>Smackers
>Sonanza Market #
>Squid Market
>SuperMarket #
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>Whales Market #
>Wizard's Palace #
>World Trade Center #
Links: https://pastebin.com/raw/fF95wTNi

Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Infinity Project
https://pastebin.com/raw/pbCycXsC

or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app
https://orangefren.com
https://eigenwallet.org
https://basicswapdex.com

Or retoswap, an XMR-centric fork of Bisq
https://retoswap.com/


>Want to support further development?
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/


>Want more organic Monero-chan?
https://www.monerochan.art/

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First for litecoin

if i buy monero from an KYC'd exchange will i be put on a list?

>>61758331
>>61758078
>The guy who's clearly dumbing down his speech sounds dumb
No shit Sherlock

>>61758442
>but to the new paradigm that this technology might bring: compliant wallets that can prove they have neither received nor sent XMR to or from other tainted wallets, versus other wallets that have not yet proven this, leaving them considered tainted until proven otherwise.
View balance keys can't do this.

>>61758509
>That only works if there is a massive scale of collected view keys.
It doesn't and my example from earlier was wrong.
See:
https://github.com/jeffro256/carrot/blob/master/carrot.md#92-unlinkability
And
https://github.com/jeffro256/carrot/blob/master/carrot.md#93-forward-secrecy
CARROT txs are unlinkable on chain even if you know the destination address. The best anyone can do is guess.
If you know the view key of a wallet, you can tell
>where internal enotes are received
>where/if they are spent
>the amounts
But not where those enotes came from

Therefore my example here >>61704945
>If coinbase has outgoing view keys for Alice and Bob, they can tell that Alice sent coins to Bob
Should actually be
>If coinbase has outgoing view keys for Alice and Bob, they can guess that Alice sent coins to Bob, but they can't guarantee that Bob didn't receive coins from Amerah from ISIS.

If I'm reading the documentation correctly.

This fud actually made me dig in to the CARROT side of things, so thanks for being retarded I guess.

>>61761916
Why would you do such a thing. Read the fucking op and buy from no kyc exchange.
>>61761951
I wonder if it’s going to go anywhere. It should be put on more than one exchange for it to escape irrelevancy.

>>61761962
So far it looks promising and has solid fundamentals so I'm giving it a shot. Rumors on their discord is that there's another listing being announced next week.

>>61761983
I put in some money in it for the lulz and mined whole 1,5 XNVs.

>>61761870
monero-chan is so cute

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>>61762002
gigachad

Also a pro tip for my Monero bros. You can mine more XMR by mining Nerva and trading for Monero on NonKyc. There's a XMR/XNV pair.

With a decent 16 core CPU you can mine around 50-60 XNV a day which is about 0.004 XMR right now. If you mined Monero directly with the same CPU power you would only get around 0.0007 XMR a day, so about six times more Monero for the same hash rate.

>>61762121
Does moneroocean have it?

>>61762138
No, it's designed to be truly decentralized so no mining pools. You have to mine it directly on your computer.

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>>61761951
>premined shitcoin
>le heckin privacy coin (that no one uses)
Nice try, glownigger.

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>>61763157
they actually lost a MASSIVE chunk of circulating supply on tradeogre, which means that each coin is actually astronomically more valuable, technically speaking. I read up on it the other night while seeking alternatives to monero due to hard fork. >>61763118 call it a shitcoin if you want, but if it is, then technically so is monero as it was forked from it.

>>61762172
>No, it's designed to be truly decentralized so no mining pools. You have to mine it directly on your computer.
Wownero already did this years ago.
Also
>https://github.com/nerva-project/nerva/
>last commit 2 years ago
Very maintained and updated fork, sure. 0% chance of bugs or spyware here, goy.

>>61761916
Monero is a XKEYSCORE word. Sorry anon.

>>61763248
>Very maintained and updated fork, sure. 0% chance of bugs or spyware here, goy.
Reversing the binaries yielded no obvious spyware as of now, but their GUI is a shitfest pulling from their own CDN.
This is moronically stupid. I wouldn't use the GUI for that reason alone.
CLI tools from github releases should be okay, but I'm not mining either.

>>61761916
maybe. probably inadvisable. get btc/etc and atomic swap if you need xmr

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>>61761951
>Nerva
What kind of shit coin is that, it's not even listed on Coinmarketcap.

If you post about your stupid coin again I'll come to your house and rape you just like I raped the 0xMonero guy.

My answer to this question was also wrong.

>>61707016
>Would the exchanges have been able to tell if you weren't actually sending all the key images?

It depends on the wallet.
See:
https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lounge/20260130#c653228
The CLI/GUI wallet will warn you if your owned outputs don't have matching key images and your balance might be incorrect.

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>>61764631
Alright, you asked for it.
Rape you next week.

>>61764751
why next week though?

to the moon

>>61761962
>I wonder if it’s going to go anywhere.
Why would it? Even shill#1 can't tell us why to use nerva over XMR.

>>61762121
>You can mine more XMR by mining Nerva and trading for Monero on NonKyc.
Funny. The same exact marketing was used by cfb in the beginning...

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>>61761870
Now is the time to DCA monero everyday. Monero has less coins than btc. There's going to be a revolution. You will be ripping your hair out in the future over the price of ONE coin. Screencap this.

gpu mining monero is trans hoyl shit (ie kowpow and pool)

>>61764804
because he's raping me this week

when do i buy? when it gets under 400? whens a reasonable spot to expect it won't go any lower?
it can't possibly go under 380, right?

>>61763187
This anon gets it. The circulating supply is extremely low and you can mine a decent amount right now.

>>61763248
Code is publicly available, you can review it yourself

>>61763858
Devs are already talking about increasing ring size and adding a couple of bug fixes/features to the wallet. We can could see a new release in the next couple of weeks.

>>61764160
Coingecko and Coinmarketcap has already been engaged for relisting, should be back up including legacy data next week. Listings fell off after TradeOgre got taken down.

Devs are active on Discord, you can drop in any time and ask about the project. I find legacy privacy coins fascinating. It won't replace Monero but there's growing demand for privacy coins where it'll find it's own space.

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>>61765918
start your own general

>>61765713
>when do i buy?
Always
>when it gets under 400?
Won't happen. Look at their current fud. They are happy with us being over 400.
>whens a reasonable spot to expect it won't go any lower?
When they don't sponsor twitter influencers to push the next coin
>it can't possibly go under 380, right?
Correct

>>61765918
>increasing ring size
In the last nerva shill thread your cohort said the ring size doesn't matter (>>61751539 and more) . If they're talking about it and if the last push (this isn't even about updates but literally the last time ANY acceptable development was done) was two years ago you all will need at least one year to get to the state of being able to update ANYTHING.

>>61766206
>start your own general
read the catalog please
>>61760890

>>61765131
>Why would it? Even shill#1 can't tell us why to use nerva over XMR.
it can only go up, as it was a privacy coin that has been just sitting around. the reason for nerva over xmr is that xmr is doing shady shit with the view keys. doesn't anyone read these threads?

>Funny. The same exact marketing was used by cfb in the beginning
that can be said about literally any coin, ever. its entirely logically good news to anyone who does trading. not sure why youre attempting to make this a talking point

>>61766560
>you all will need at least one year to get to the state of being able to update ANYTHING
why? did the programming language change? not trying to be an ass but this is what true FUD looks like.

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>>>61767421

>>61767315
You must be very new

>>61767380
>it can only go up
There's no reason to invest in it
>as it was a privacy coin that has been just sitting around
No development (both price and code) isn't a good thing.
>shady shit with the view keys
Wrong
>doesn't anyone read these threads?
The one not reading any of the generals is you. This is the third general in the row that debunked that retarded carrot is le bad nonsense. See >>61761926
>that can be said about literally any coin, ever
No, most coins are not mined in pairs. What I'm saying is that Qubit also positioned itself as a pro-XMR coin/AI/whatever else cfb needs to shill to investors. Eating up XMR's hashrate and mc isn't pro-XMR. Telling us to avoid the 16-ring-size coin for the 5-ring-size coin isn't pro-16.
>its entirely logically good news to anyone who does trading.
No, it's you piggybacking off something respected and thereby trying to bolster your own reputation while being a downgrade in every conceivable way. The only pro-nerva argument you have is that you misunderstand and misrepresent the potential changes of carrot when its finally introduced. Otherwise nerva is in every way just a massive downgrade.
>why?
What are CVEs?

>>61767380
>did the programming language change?
Let me check that for you.
>C++ (79%)
Big developments since nerva release, new release scheduled for march
Also "Starting in 2012, the committee has transitioned to a “decoupled” model where major pieces of work can progress independently from the Standard itself and be delivered in “feature branch” TSes."
>C (17.2%)
New standard after last nerva release
>python (0.4%)
The current versions that still receive bug fixes weren't available during the last nerva release. If they are lucky, the used a version which is still getting security updates but that isn't guaranteed either.
Over 96% of your code is based on outdated versions of languages. The one open issue you have has been sitting around for 2 years. That issue was already fixed by XMR. When upstream fixes an issue before you even though it's just a simple line that needs to be added you are doing something completely wrong. The "closed" issure isn't even solved, it's just a won't-fix for something menial.

>>61767380
Remember when you said nerva came from XMR devs? I find that interesting because the devs on the nerva repo are
1. A 23-year old indian. No connection to XMR.
2. A 25 year old malaysian, his one linked repo on his profile isn't even nerva lol. Forked some XMR-adjacent project once, didn't do any work on it.
3. Some guy who now focuses on two other coins and hasn't contributed on github in over a year. No connection to XMR but at least he made a bot that checks how often you said owo in discord.
4. Another guy who also hasn't contributed in over a year. No connection to XMR.
5. And the unsung hero who published the nerva whitepaper. His pinned repos are all about other wallets and miners but nothing about nerva. If you looked at his profile you'd read about turtlecoin (what even is that?), XMR and cryptonote before you see the teeny tiny mention of nerva. He at least contributed to OTHER projects in the last year. Also forked some XMR-adjacent projects but did no work. Also seemingly close friends with the indian since he's one of the two people who commented on the indian's site about what a hard worker he is and both of them are the only ones considered a core part of the nerva project.
Where is your amazing XMR dev you talked about? Where is the exciting new development? Looks like you're friends with one of the devs and try to pump his bags. What do you offer besides literal FUD about XMR? You don't even understand the basics of programming. Your coin has been dead for YEARS. Maybe invest in turtlecoin instead, there seems to be much more interest.

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>>61767846
>>61767858
>>61767886
jesus christ, im not reading any more of your blog posts. If you have to write that much, then you're grasping at straws. if you had read the website which has many nooks and crannies, youd know that it was the nerva devs who actually developed some of the privacy improvements that were incorporated into XMR, but it being a separate project did not incorporate all of the ideas. Cryptonight-adaptive being one of those ideas, which nerva uses.

>This is the third general in the row that debunked that retarded carrot is le bad nonsense
Any incorporation of new attack vectors that add questionable to no benefits is not a good thing and you know it. monero reddit removing posts that even ask about it is a BIG FAT RED FLAG.

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>>61767846
>You must be very new
>assumes in reddit
low tier non-desu bait

>>61767886
>omg i stalked these people so hard, you wouldnt believe how hard ive stalked them
this is the funniest thing i've seen all year
maybe wipe the spit off your keyboard anon and cool your stack, holy shit.

>>61768139
>If you have to write that much, then you're grasping at straws.
I collected all of your arguments and completely disproved them. Your devs are shit. You have no dev work done anymore. Everything you use is outdated.
>website
I care about the code, not the website with PR speech. If you check the website you'd also see that nerva doesn't even have any development planned for two years. For two years you have open issues and you do NO dev work? You spent all of 2025 to 'grow Nerva's X presence'.
Even when you look at the site, it says nothing about having done any dev work that was pushed upstream. However, you can easily find typos.
>youd know that it was the nerva devs who actually developed some of the privacy improvements that were incorporated into XMR
Which one of the five contributors? None of the ones listed on github have ever pushed any change to monero. Which dev? Which PR? According to nerva's website nerva 'utilizes exclusive cryptonight adaptive algorithm' so that's clearly not the same.
>new attack vectors
You mean none?
>to no benefits
What's the benefit of nerva having a significantly lower ring size?
>monero reddit removing posts that even ask about it is a BIG FAT RED FLAG.
Because that's the same retarded fud that you have spewed despite us having shown you again and again that the supposed attack vector doesn't even exist. Not knowing that software can become outdated is a much bigger red flag. Tell me, do your devs know that they are running outdated software and allowing your finances and privacy to be at risk or are they simply unaware of that?

>>61768219
What happened to
>im not reading any more of your blog posts.
You held on for 11 minutes. And you still haven't answered any of my concerns about
1. You posting incorrect fud.
2. No relevant price development for months
3. No code development being bad. It wasn't even maintained!
4. You ignoring everyone in the general and samefagging.
5. You using qubit logic to onboard people.
6. You having less than one third of our ring size.
7. You acting like a parasite.
8. Your devs being nonames (that sadly have their real life names on their own sites).
9. 96.6% of your code base being potentially outdated.
>this is the funniest thing i've seen all year
Will it also be funny when the IRS will 'stalk' your devs by visiting their personal sites linked on their github pages and you losing all your funds because you trusted some random 23 year old raj? If XMR was as weak as you all the markets that rely on us would've collapsed already.

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>>61768624
>>61768636
>giant speech about monero is invincible and something about "nerva code is bad" and brown people who merely helped maintain a project
>ignores anything I have written here or what the banned reddit posts say about monero cucking to the jew and introducing attack vectors
you do realize others are reading this right? they can simply go check reddit and see for themselves. the new OVK method allows viewing incoming transactions, it makes any data mining by surveillance 2x as easy. I literally have to do absolutely nothing here, your spewing doesnt change that. if youre not a shill, it makes you look like one. Me shilling nerva is still a win btw, because right now monero can still be pool mined and is not gpu/asic resistant.

>You held on for 11 minutes
the spewing made it somewhat fun.

>>61767846
>>61767858
>>61767886
>>61768624
>>61768636
Holy cope, I ain't reading all of that
i'm happy for you or sorry that happened

>>61768746
>ignores anything I have written here
Which of your points didn't I acknowledge? I even scoured your js-riddled site just to find that there isn't the claim of the mysterious XMR dev.
>the banned reddit posts say about monero cucking to the jew and introducing attack vectors
You forgot to include 'wrong' in there.
>you do realize others are reading this right?
Yes, that's why I'm replying to each and every one of your points.
>they can simply go check reddit and see for themselves.
And then they can check the generals and see that in the last two weeks, out of nowhere despite carrot being talked about years ago, this fud started and is shutdown in mere minutes by anyone who actually reads what carrot will influence.
>the new OVK method allows viewing incoming transactions, it makes any data mining by surveillance 2x as easy.
Again, read >>61761926. Don't trust the post? Read the sources provided. Stop embarrassing yourself.
>I literally have to do absolutely nothing here
Then why are you spending your time shilling here instead of finally closing that two year old open issue?
>it makes you look like one.
Shills normally don't provide sources. Which is why I'm asking you to back up your claim about nerva pushing code upstream. No, the site doesn't mention it.
>XMR isn't ASIC resistant
These are the best fudders they got?
>the spewing made it somewhat fun.
You already said you wouldn't read what I said after I 'spewed' everything. You literally went back on your word only to embarrass yourself even more online. And still no source to any of your claims was provided.

>>61768875
Then tell me why we should use a ring size of 5 instead of 16.

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>>61768905
>You already said you wouldn't read what I said after I 'spewed' everything. You literally went back on your word only to embarrass yourself even more online.
>mad that i can change my mind

>You forgot to include 'wrong' in there.
no i didnt, keep reading below
>they can check the generals and see that in the last two weeks, out of nowhere despite carrot being talked about years ago, this fud started and is shutdown in mere minutes by anyone who actually reads what carrot will influence
>Again, read >>61761926. Don't trust the post? Read the sources provided. Stop embarrassing yourself.

This is actually not true, the reddit comments end without replies to their concerns, and the ones defending the change occasionally recognize that theyre wrong. There has been no dev commentary so far.

>I even scoured your js-riddled site just to find that there isn't the claim of the mysterious XMR dev.
then you didnt scour hard enough, or perhaps it was lost inbetween site changes. It may have been on the whitepaper, idk. I remember reading it.

>XMR isn't ASIC resistant
>These are the best fudders they got?
thats not a selling point for xmr, and the fudders arent talking about that anyway.

> tell me why we should use a ring size of 5 instead of 16.
the new fork with fcmp++ or whatever will make it 1000 instead of 16, but with a backdoor built in, who cares? No one has broken the ring size of 5 yet. An ounce of development and nerva smokes xmr

Like i said, drop the hostility and take time to think. nerva wasnt shilled out of the blue, some anon was asking for an alternative to monero due to the hard fork the other night, and they came across nerva. i also did some scouring and deemed it to be a decent monero replacement. rather than accuse nerva of being shilled, ask yourself why your covering monero's dev team's asses when theyre deliberately fucking up?

>>61765918
>Devs are active on Discord
>trooncord
Go back, faggot.

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>>61761870
Planning on buying XMR for the first time. Should I just buy XMR directly from my KYC exchange, or buy a liquid coin and swap it?

>>61769129
Either one is fine.
Once the coin is in your wallet it's private so it's all good in the end.

>>61769129
Either way, if you're paranoid about it swap.
I bought on Binance back then for my first 11 and have no reason to worry despite KYC.

Trocador has never failed me once for swaps.

>>61769004
>>mad that i can change my mind
No it shows how disingenuous you are. You're just trying to get some gotchas here but fail to notice that you seem like a little weasel in the process.
>no i didnt, keep reading below
Yes you did. Keep reading all of the generals we had since the carrot fud started.
>the reddit comments end without replies to their concerns
Yes, most of the community doesn't spend its time to correct fud. I do because I love to use this later to show how you'll avoid everything you said in the past (like having the XMR dev that is prominently shown on the website) just so you don't seem like loser in this sad conversation.
>There has been no dev commentary so far.
So you didn't read the sources?
>then you didnt scour hard enough
Now you're even saying control+f isn't good enough for your tastes?
>perhaps it was lost inbetween site changes
So you don't even know what's in the sources you use! Also I checked, none of the 303 contributors on the XMR repo are also on any of the nerva repos.
>It may have been on the whitepaper
It doesn't contain the words 'Monero', 'XMR, 'cryptonight' or 'upstream'. Also a whitepaper wouldn't even talk about the devs, their previous work or other cryptocurrencies (unless it's directly forked from it but even then it's not advisable).
>Source: I remember reading it.
...
>thats not a selling point for xmr,
Yes being ASIC resistant is a selling point. We always made fun of the centralization of hashing power in BTC and that's why we have randomx.
>and the fudders arent talking about that anyway.
My point is that you are not educated about XMR at all. The difference in mining is that you have pools and we don't. That's the big difference. Feel free to tell me how that helps you with anything (it doesn't).
>1000 instead of 16,
No. That is blatantly wrong.

>>61769004
>but with a backdoor built in
Which one? Where is it? No it's not carrot related. Carrot right now would only give you what >>61761926 described. Carrot when we have fcmp++ would give you pretty much nothing to track us in any way. This is why, and we already told you this multiple times, carrot will come with fcmp++.
>No one has broken the ring size of 5 yet.
The whole point of the ring size isn't that it gets broken but even if you are deanonymized somehow (which is far more likely with your outdated 0.2 release - yes you're not even at a full release stage) and they say 'We know you have been involved in this transaction' you can tell them 'You can only be 1/ring size sure that it was me'. The legal defense is immensely stronger with a higher ring size. Therefore you have no reason to artificially keep the ring size down.
>drop the hostility
This is me being nice. I want you retards to have your own generals, stay in them and not bother us. Instead your cohort spams this thread, shits up the board and all for some ring size 5 v0.2 crypto currency that hasn't seen development in 2 years.
>nerva wasnt shilled out of the blue
Admitting that this shilling isn't organic is a ballsy strategy.
>a decent monero replacement.
No development, minimal ring size, minimal shilling leads to massive jump in price (this means it was so dead that just two or three retards here put pennies in and it exploded) and hash rate, relisting (meaning the jews don't see it as a problem), still no argument against XMR. The only reason nerva was even created was the unfounded hatred for pools.
>deliberately fucking up?
Because they are not fucking up. Just read the sources for once.

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look at this
>10 posts by this ID I5XheCFf
>man writes more unanswered blogs than AI

this guy seems to think i somehow trans-exist across threads and generals. and while i have been here for a few of them, (at least the first time when a rando anon mentioned nerva while seeking a new privacy coin, some threads i never even posted) he thinks ive somehow followed him to personally attack him across space-time.

kek, you should be in bed for school, tomorrow is monday.

oh and remember, you started this:
>You must be very new

I didn't even want to really engage:
>Asking for a friend, I don't wanna fight.

>>61769277
>he thinks ive somehow followed him to personally attack him across space-time.
No I think you're one of the retards that has been pushing nerva for days now. You got the same exact writing style like the guy I'm thinking of.
>oh and remember, you started this:
Correct. And you still didn't close the issue that has been open for two years.
>I don't wanna fight.
Then fuck off already. We don't want you in the MONERO thread. We want to talk about MONERO, not something that has been forked from monero and since then made no improvements while also not implementing any of the benefits we had. You are free to leave. No one is making you stay here and show everyone that you can't even answer one simple question about your little insecure shitcoin. If you wanted to save face you'd act like >>61768875 and just ignore even the most basic questions but by constantly engaging with me you are showing how much time you like to waste while not even denying any of the claims made against nerva.

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>>61769349
>I think you're one of the retards that has been pushing nerva for days now
again, you're a fucking loon. go mathematically measure grammar and sentence structure elsewhere

>writing style
im not the same person you think i am, and you write like a psycopath. seriously, get help.

>Correct. And you still didn't close the issue that has been open for two years.
P S Y C H O
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>Then fuck off already. We don't want you in the MONERO thread. We want to talk about MONERO, not something that has been forked from monero and since then made no improvements--
cryptonight-adaptive is an improvement
no pools is an improvement
cpu-only is an improvement
>while also not implementing any of the benefits we had--
the new OVK backdoor you mean that has went unanswered
>No one is making you stay here and show everyone that you can't even answer one simple question about your little insecure shitcoin.
literally get help, i browse here for fun
>by constantly engaging with me you are showing how much time you like to waste while not even denying any of the claims made against nerva.
actually, i cooked a pizza and ate it while occasionally replying to your psychopathic posts...
btw im right, the new site doesnt mention the monero dev but the old one did before it went down. apparently you didnt search hard enough lmao. i wont give you my source either because fuck you, kek.

So anyway

I have 1 whole monero

>>61769440
>im not the same person you think i am,
Oh surely you're not. You just randomly got super invested in a shitcoin after some random 4chinner shilled it to you a few days ago.
>P S Y C H O
Shilling your bags so you can pnd on some retards is way worse than my writing style.
>cryptonight-adaptive is an improvement
And nowhere mentioned on the website except for being 'utilized' in a sentence with a grammar mistake. It also doesn't say that it comes from nerva devs. The claim that the nerva devs implemented cryptonight is simply unfounded.
>no pools is an improvement
Incorrect. This only pushes for people to have their own CPU farms. So basically the same as BTC ASIC farms in which only the ones who got the most liquid fiat funds have the most say about the hash rate.
>cpu-only is an improvement
We already have that. Look into what randomx is.
>the new OVK backdoor you mean that has went unanswered
Not a backdoor. Doesn't do the things you ascribed to it. Wouldn't work even if it did those things. Would still require opt-in.
>i browse here for fun
Publicly embarrassing yourself to shill your shitcoin is fun to you? Please don't use me for your weird fetish-
>i cooked a pizza
Who says 'cooked a pizza'? What kind of ESL doesn't know about baking?
>but the old one did before it went down.
You mean the dev that isn't both a contributor to nerva and xmr? Did github lie too? How come you still haven't named him yet or sent a source to your claims?
>apparently you didnt search hard enough lmao.
You provided zero (0) sources. I gave you multiple chances to give any source while also visiting your shitty site AND github.
>i wont give you my source either because fuck you,
Just admit that you made it up, that'd be more based. I know that's all you care about besides pushing your shitcoin onto us.

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I'M LOSING MONEY
I KEEP BUYING EVERY TIME IT GOES DOWN $50 AND IT KEEPS GOING DOWN

I'LL NEVER FINANCIALLY RECOVER FROM THIS

>>61769548
>i cooked a pizza
>Who says 'cooked a pizza'? What kind of ESL doesn't know about baking?
..........................................................wut.........
..............................what kind of response is that.....
...............................
is this an Al shiII-bot or a severely touched jdif soIdier that im responding too...?

III teII you what, lII just chaIk this up too a bot of some sort. l remember these bots from back around 2015. Iets see how it responds to this interaction.

>>61769651
>for weeks
i don't know anon these threads are usually really slow and can last for weeks, and i've just started hearing of nerva since the very end of the last thread just a few days ago
either you're being paid to advertise this, or you did something and are about to be raped by a nigger if someone won't invest into this shitcoin soon enough

>>61769802
I've been mining it for two weeks now since another anon posted about it here on /biz/

>>61769802
its probably a joke, considering the anon-bot-5000 that has been replying to me seems to also think it has been shilled for weeks, and at most the first thread was maybe 5 days ago. I remember some anon asking about an alternative due to OVK issue, and then they made a thread about it. Since then it seems to be on the move upward and is being talked about, whether its a pump and dump i dont know. It seems legit, the discord is active, and i do vaguely recall when the coin was created a few years ago so it has been around for a while.

>paid to advertise this
i think its just the fact that it got relisted on an exchange after being delisted years ago, and its doing well as far as i can tell.

>>61769591
That's a good thing! The price being lower means usage will increase. Don't be a moonboy!

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>>61769678

>is this an Al shiII-bot or a severely touched jdif soIdier that im responding too...?
>III teII you what, lII just chaIk this up too a bot of some sort. l remember these bots from back around 2015. Iets see how it responds to this interaction.

to those here wondering if i was responding to an AI shill bot, heres your answer:

Put these above sentences into a text editor that can change it from all lower case to all upper case. The bot didnt respond because the bot couldnt read what i had written. lower case L's and upper case i's look similar to us, but not to a bot. You're welcome /biz/. That's why it finally didn't respond to my post above. The real question is, why is this bot promoting monero?

>>61761870
>>61763118
>>61763187
What does she smell like?

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>>61761870
Gentlemen.

I currently only own XMR.

I'm not going to sell any of my XMR, but I have some cash to spend and was thinking about buying at least one other crypto to add some diversity to my "portfolio".

So what other cryptos are worth buying? I'm not interested in BTC because I think it's just a worse version of Monero, but there has to be some other stuff out there worth buying?

What about LINK? ETH? maybe even XRP? (I know it's centralised, but it's still a hedge against inflation and it's fast). Please don't recommend me any meme coins.

Thanks in advance.

>>61769941

Upper case:
>IS THIS AN AL SHIII-BOT OR A SEVERELY TOUCHED JDIF SOIDIER THAT IM RESPONDING TOO...?
>III TEII YOU WHAT, LII JUST CHAIK THIS UP TOO A BOT OF SOME SORT. L REMEMBER THESE BOTS FROM BACK AROUND 2015. IETS SEE HOW IT RESPONDS TO THIS INTERACTION.

swapped case:
>is this an al shiii-bot or a severely touched jdif soidier that im responding too...?
>iii teii you what, lii just chaik this up too a bot of some sort. L remember these bots from back around 2015. Iets see how it responds to this interaction.

Like i said, why is this bot promoting monero but denouncing nerva?

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>>61769886
>That's a good thing! The price being lower means usage will increase. Don't be a moonboy!
What does the price being lower has to do with usage?
Most usage is zoomers buying drugs on a darknet market and they just want $50 worth of XMR, it doesn't matter what the price actually is.

But it would be better for adoption, dev confidence, and new money coming in for Monero to climb the marketcap ladder and go back to the top 10. It's number 14 right now.

>>61769961
I sold all my other coins and only have Monero because I believe in it long term and USDC/USDT because I put it on AAVE to get the 6% APY.

If I had to buy something I would guess ETH since that's where the stable coins are so at least it won't go to 0.

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The price going below 400 is like worse than the holocaust.
I wanted to make even more untaxable private money.

is it worth mining monero now?
or should i just buy a full coin
does anyone rec buying little amounts first still? or should i just get a full one

>>61770118
Yeah you can mine, especially in the winter for cheap heating.
Also you should buy some too.

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>>61761870
do you guys trust ledger?
i hate cake wallet

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Are we just gonna ignore that i caught a bot shilling monero in this fucking thread?
>>61769941
>>61769974

>>61770169
my retarded friend
cake wallet is (in its current state) a piece of trash software
just use the "official" gui/cli wallet

>do you guys trust ledger?
>do you guys trust a closed source proprietary blackbox that holds my money, which can break, be stolen, be lost, be bricked by an update?
get yourself a notebook, boot tails on it, restore your wallet from seed (which you memorize), do your transaction, shutdown the notebook. its that easy.

>>61770208
i need something to use in mobile sar.
i rarely open laptop/pc these days.
imma swap to ledger i think

>>61770227
>mobile
oof im sorry to hear that
cant help you there, mobile phones are turbo cancer. i genuinely wait for a phone that runs linux AND has a built-in physical keyboard, until then my phone is just a device to play music and receive 2fa codes

>>61770252
android is linux anon

>>61770323
android is googles unlubricated dildo up my ass with a condom that has "technically linux" written on it
macos is also a *nix system technically

you know what i mean nigga

>>61770182
>>61769974
Someone employed monero bots to promote his bags in spite of other tokens. I'd jump out of this shit if i were you before you're further gaslighted

>>61770182
A bot... on 4chan?

Prove you aren't a bot: how many closed regions are in this word, as it is written: strabeRRy

monero = honeypot
name in esperanto = red flag, black even

>>61770343
>he doesn't use grapheneos
>laughing_girls.jpg

>>61770227
you can also use the CLI wallet on android, you need to use termux of course but it's as usable as a terminal CLI gets, so you can't scan QR codes n'shit like you would expect from a normal GUI wallet
cake wallet it's as good as it gets in that regard

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>>61761870
>>61761870
Any dumb fucking cunts fudding about the stupid view key shit need to shut the fuck up. Exchanges already have your driver’s license, your address, your social security, your yearly wage, your height, your weight, what your stupid face looks like and all the metadata associated with your CEX account. Some dumbass little feature for accounting that CANNOT tie any two addresses together is not gonna change anything. Anyone fudding Monero is either Mossad or genuinely fucking stupid.

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>>61771260
>Exchanges aIready have your driver’s Iicense, your address, your sociaI security, your yearIy wage, your height, your weight, what your stupid face Iooks like and aII the metadata associated with your CEX account.
>a bot bragging about this in a bot thread for something thats supposed to be pro privacy

>Anyone fudding Monero is either Mossad or genuineIy fucking stupid.
The jig is up, everyone knows who's running this thread and who's running monero
l exposed it, there are very few reaI peopIe here.

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>>61771355
Take your pills, dumb nigger cunt.

>>61770169
>>61770208
what about exodus wallet? complete noob and exodus was my first ever wallet. have coinbase but they want me to renew my passport.

>>61769941
>Doesn't even know there's automated functions to put substrings in upper or lower case
Monerochads, why are they sending us these bottom of the barrel fudsters?

>>61771691
GU>YSSS HE DIDN'T RESPOND TO ME. IS HE AAAAAS BOTDTD?

>>61769974
you went to that effort? just find a shitty fanart of homer simpson, invert the colors in mspaint and ask them to identify the person in your next post

>>61769985
The best thing for confidence would be a stable price. If you have some good you want some specified amount of USD for you have to set your price in XMR overly high to combat dumps or let the prices be calculated dynamically which could worsen customer experience. I'd also guess there's some psychological benefit for those who want to buy XMR and see that they don't have to spend a lot to have a balance not starting in 0.

>>61769996
>I believe in it long term
Based. You won't be disappointed.

>>61770118
Buy in small amounts instead of all you want is helpful for reducing the ability of being tracked. If you buy through KYC or don't feel like you need to worry about being tracked you can just buy as much as you want in one transaction.

>>61770252
>i genuinely wait for a phone that runs linux AND has a built-in physical keyboard
Your best bet would be getting one of the linux phones that you can attach a physical keyboard to.
>receive 2fa codes
Not having a security key is cringe

>>61771746
Well he isn't the smartest. Also he still hasn't responded so he's a bot according to his own logic. How much more time should I give him?

>>61771584
Are you a retard or something? Exodus doesn't even support Monero

>>61770252
https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/juq9ip/offline_wallet_question/gcf76cg/?context=3

https://x.com/unstoppablebyhs/status/1936067263880478879
Mobile phones are fine. Use a strong password (your biometrics are not a password) and you're good. If you're worried about the 5G antennas stealing your cryptos, then use a tablet.

>>61771939
>Use a strong password (your biometrics are not a password)
Depending on your jurisdiction biometrics might be favorable to a password. I'd say the best way to avoid jurisdictional trouble would be to have a duress pin and give that one when you're asked for a pin. I'm unsure how to feel about panic apps though. I like the concept but I'd think it's hard to quickly press the panic button while you're getting raided. In general phones just seem less acceptable for high threat models.

>>61771939
jesus h fucking christ
the twitter post is straight up a midwit using ai
and the reddit thread is a neckbeard larping as an elite whitehat

no mobile phones are not "fine"

to anybody who might be lurking here and still not sure how to secure their shit
put your hot wallet on anything you want
you generate your cold wallet on an offline tails machine, note the address to DCA into it, turn off the machine and you are done
the seed you memorize and repeat silently inside your mind every day when sitting on the toilet

it does not get simpler than that and it does not get more secure than that

>>61770182
What's this schizo rambling about?

>>61771788
>>receive 2fa codes
>Not having a security key is cringe
what the fuck is a "security key"? and dont embarrass yourself by telling me you mean one of those usb dongles. might aswell wear crystals around your neck

i need to do phone 2fa because some government shitholes use it. i would never bother with that shit. all my personal stuff are memorized passwords with >180 bits of entropy, my encryption keys are 128bits and if i told you how much entropy my memorized crypto keys are you would literally not believe me

i wipe my ass with security keys, password managers, 2fa, passkeys, TOTPs

i am currently theory-crafting a way to memorize 3200 bits of (pseudo)random entropy by way of a custom mnemonic system which would allow me to ditch all other passwords and just use subsections of this one

i am an s grade autist when it comes to passwords. dont ever call me cringe again punk or i will memorize your post ID

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I hold Monero, i like Monero. I want to buy things that are not illegal with Monero. But holy shit fuck that schizo bot, not only it makes this whole general look like a honeypot he's just fucking cringe. Writing wall of texts about shit nobody cares about, trying to fight some shitcoin with 1mil market cap as it is some mortal danger to a coin with 8 billion market cap (and dropping LOL). Congratulations if you are a bot or not you damaged reputation of our precious FEDcoin. I dare to say even.
FUCKNERO IS GOING TO FUCKING ZERO!

>>61771260
>the stupid view key shit

what's that?

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>>61772078
>i am an s grade autist when it comes to passwords. dont ever call me cringe again punk or i will memorize your post ID

>>61772313
FUD about the new view keys, that they allow deanonymizing the chain. In reality, they don't change much compared to the old ones, if your goal was mass surveillance.

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>>61771995
You clearly missed the point of both of those posts
>to anybody who might be lurking here and still not sure how to secure their shit
>put your hot wallet on anything you want
>you generate your cold wallet on an offline tails machine, note the address to DCA into it, turn off the machine and you are done
>the seed you memorize and repeat silently inside your mind every day when sitting on the toilet

Normies can't do any of this shit without getting a virus. If anyone wants/needs to more security than a mobile phone (android specifically. Pic related) has to offer, they should skip everything you said and just buy a trezor directly from the website (or print out a paper wallet if they're a poorfag)

>>61772078
>I am an s grade autist
Good for you. Build a pitrezor or a xmrsigner with parts you paid for with cash, or generate your seed phrase with dice and setup a wallet on a tails usb that you created on your corebooted Thinkpad and use a memory palace to memorize your seed phrase or whatever the fuck. For the rest of the anons here that have no idea what either of us are talking about, writing down the seed phrase and keeping their wallet on a dedicated phone with a strong password is enough.

>I'm so autistic I don't even use a wallet program, I just do the calculations in my head and compose the signed tx directly in a hex editor

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>>61772078
>i am an s grade autist when it comes to passwords. dont ever call me cringe again punk or i will memorize your post ID
lolololol

Nerva > monero

>>61772776
Based

>>61772078
The point of 2FA is not relying on your password alone. You got your password memorized? Cool. What do you do when a leak happens and you don't know about it? Do you just accept that you get hacked? What if you had your keyboard monitored? What if you for whatever reason had to give out your password?
Just use FOSS. And use a password manager to generate part of your passwords so you can more quickly change them, have ensured randomness and not use something even more cringe like wordlists.

>>61772215
>Hates that I am against nerva
>>61762002
>Mines nerva and has 'invested' in it

>>61773545
You just reek of faggotry, like a linktroon. Obsessed faggots even made threads about you, that's how you are annoying kek.

>>61773592
>Yes you caught me b-but you sound like a faggot
Just a few minutes ago I still was a bot, before that a psycho, before that a stalker. Make up your minds on how to attack me so it's less obvious that you got no argument against Monero and no argument for nerva.

>>61773609
I don't give a fuck you obsessed tranny, dilate and take the fucking L. You just made people think that this thread is run by fucking bots. Congratulations now go shoot yourself in the head.
>17 posts by this ID
Fucking kill yourself, im not even going to reply to you no more.

>>61773625
>You just made people think that this thread is run by fucking bots.
Oh no, some retard thought I'm a bot because I didn't respond in time. I'd not trust some guy's opinion who thinks bots can't read upper case letters.
>im not even going to reply to you no more.
I heard stuff like that three times but in the end the nerva shills always feel the need to reply to me yet they never answer any of the concerns.

It's been almost 24 since my GUI is syncing my old wallet, why does it take so long, I'm not running a local node.

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>>61773625
wiII a bot ever truIy stop?
l said l was shit taIking him whiIe i had cooked and ate a pizza>>61769440
>actually, i cooked a pizza and ate it while occasionally replying to your psychopathic posts...
and he responded with
>Who says 'cooked a pizza'? What kind of ESL doesn't know about baking?
apparentIy cooked a pizza is a nonexistant phrase that can't be parsed and interpreted properIy by Al in reference to crypto

worse is that the no one in the thread mentioned it, meaning theyre aII bots working in unison to promote what is supposed to be a privacy coin. they attacked nerva out of nowhere (who the fuck cares about a shiIIcoin? unIess its not one) ls this why the monero reddit keeps banning any discussion about the hard fork carrot update? l wouId say yes. monero is glowfaggot money and its reputation is now tarnished. hodI if you beIieve in it, or buy in low, but im out.

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>JEETSCAM SHILLS ARE AFTER ME

>>61773711
Must be the jeets.

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>>61772077
>>61773625
check these posts
61771691
61771710
the bot knows l mentioned upper and lower case characters, but doesn't know "why" l mentioned them. said some random shit about automated functions and substrings, has nothing at aII to do with my post here>>61769941 or here>>61769974

>>61773725
>apparentIy cooked a pizza is a nonexistant phrase that can't be parsed and interpreted properIy by Al in reference to crypto
Nigger you bake a pizza
>they attacked nerva out of nowhere
You entered this thread out of nowhere. Leave this thread and we'll forget about you just like how we forgot about qubit, ztrash and whatever other fud we had.
>who the fuck cares about a shiIIcoin?
Not the devs apparently
>ls this why the monero reddit keeps banning any discussion about the hard fork carrot update?
No because it's been debunked before the fud started. Your cohort misunderstand carrot is not our fault.
>monero is glowfaggot money and its reputation is now tarnished.
And therefore we must go back and accept a lower ring size and none of the developments made in the last five years or whenever nerva was forked. We also can't have any development anymore since that would be bad apparently despite even the version for languages we used being outdated.
>but im out.
Finally. That's all we were asking for. Next time muster up the courage to talk to me directly you jeet-project-peddling schizo. Also you misusing Christ to push your own bags is absolutely disgusting. All you do is attach yourself to something bigger and try to profit off it by leading people away from it.

>>61773747
You just said you're out. You weren't even gone for 6 minutes.
>but doesn't know "why" l mentioned them.
Because you're a retard that doesn't even know about simple text parsing functions.
>has nothing at aII to do with my post here
It does because you assumed that bots couldn't read upper and lower case despite a bot easily being able to take and text or part of it and converting it all in upper or lower case.

>>61761876
>>I'm poor and want a dedicated mining device
>MINISFORUM 795S7
>Hashrate: 19250 H/s
>Power draw: 142 W
>Cost: $607 shipped
>Hashes per $: 32
>As of 2025 it's the best bang for your buck. No room for upgrades, though.


Out of stock, is there anything comparable in stock?

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>>61773795
check it out, the bot is stiII going
>You entered this thread out of nowhere.
>be me, entering thread asking a simpIe question about monero>>61763118

>lt does because you assumed that bots couIdn't read upper and Iower case despite a bot easily being abIe to take and text or part of it and converting it aII in upper or Iower case.
bot is unabIe to figure out why the Ietters were swapped, and simpIy waIks right into the trap outing itseIf

>>61761870
monero is still over 400

monero is unbreakable

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>>61773725
>>61773747
bro idgaf and im not selling because of some carrots or potatoes.
It's just pathetic, you both are fighting over shit nobody cares about writing wall of texts. I don't care if you are both bots or just fucking losers. But either way it's embarassing to be even posting ITT. Im going to come back for the next one unless you both trannies are here. Peace out.

>>61773725
This reads like some Jeet thinking he's discovered the Matrix or some goofy shit.

>apparentIy cooked a pizza is a nonexistant phrase that can't be parsed and interpreted properIy by Al in reference to crypto
Uh no, it's a non-existent phrase period. You BAKE a pizza, you don't really cook it. The fact that you don't know that or have a decent grasp of basic English kind of tells the rest of the story.

>worse is that the no one in the thread mentioned it, meaning theyre aII bots working in unison to promote what is supposed to be a privacy coin.
Or it could be that you're a dumb nigger and nobody bothered caring about the point in question because you've deluded yourself into thinking the lack of a response signals that the user is a bot.

>They attacked nerva out of nowhere
>Out of nowhere
You people literally brought up this shitcoin unprompted in this thread. No one gives a fuck about a 'privacy' crypto made by Shitanistanis that supposedly flaunts the features Monero has had for years at this point.

>why the monero reddit keeps banning any discussion about the hard fork carrot update?
What the fuck does that matter? We have those dicussions here, and every time we do it's just some retard not understanding the update at all. The fact that reddit jannies just outright stop discussion over this shit isn't indicative of anything.

>>61773848
>a simpIe question
We refuted your bullshit over a week ago. Carrot will not introduce any backdoors.
>bot is unabIe to figure out why the Ietters were swapped,
You said so yourself in >>61769941
>The bot didnt respond because the bot couldnt read what i had written
What you completely fail to notice is
>lower case L's and upper case i's look similar to us, but not to a bot.
Is a drawback for writing like that since people will easily be confused and not see whether they're using googIe or google. This is how most typo squatting works. And the mitigations for this are parsing everything into either upper or lower case or fuzzy matching. Both of these methods existed long before nerva was forked from monero. So fuck off NlGGER

>>61773869
>Not embarrassed to shill for nerva here
>But embarrassed to notice nerva repeatedly being BTFO'd

>>61773877
>What the fuck does that matter?
He thinks it's some grand scheme to pozz XMR

>>61761870
posting in based Monerochad thread. The GOAT of crypto

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>>61773905
>t.

>>61773905
are the dalit shills in the room with us?

>>61773941
No they're on the designated shitting street

>>61773952
next to your flat in Mumbai?

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>>61773905
>Is a drawback for writing like that since people will easiIy be confused and not see whether they're using google or googIe. This is how most typo squatting works.
>And the mitigations for this are parsing everything into either upper or Iower case or fuzzy matching.
>Both of these methods existed long before nerva was forked from monero.
...........
>Both of these methods existed long before nerva was forked from monero.
bot actually thinks this makes sense, as if parsing text in or out has something to do with nerva forking from monero... Imfao monero is cooked Iike a glowniggerpizza bois

61769548
>Who says 'cooked a pizza'? What kind of ESL doesn't know about baking?
ahahahaha

>>61773869
youre probably fine even with the update, but regardless the update is sus as fuck considering all this shady shit thats going on. hope you make some money anon.

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>monero thread reads just like xrp or linkchain threads
Oh how the might have fallen.

>>61773958
No in gurugram, just like the nerva devs

>>61773982
>bot actually thinks this makes sense,
Yes I'm telling you that if I were a bot I'd have the ability to parse all your text in an easily readable manner since that has been common technology for over a decade.
>as if parsing text in or out has something to do with nerva forking from monero
I never even implied that. Is it that hard to focus on an english sentence when you're an ESL?

>>61773991
Literally nothing shady happened except for all the anti-carrot shilling out of nowhere despite it being discussed positively for years.

How's this for a normie guide for storing Monero securely:

Storing XMR Securely in 2 steps

1. Keep your seed phrase safe and offline. If you lose your seed phrase, forget it, or it gets stolen, it's over.

2. Pick one of the following options

Hardware wallets - Ledger Nano (S, S Plus, and X) and Trezor (Model T, Safe series) support XMR. You'll need to use a separate wallet (Feather, Monero GUI, Cake, etc) to manage your funds as the native apps don't work with XMR.

TAILS USB stick + encrypted partition + desktop wallet
https://web.archive.org/web/20240510140502/https://xmrguide.org/

Pitrezor
https://pitrezor.com

Xmrsigner
https://github.com/XmrSigner
https://xmrstreet.store

Anonero
anonero5wmhraxqsvzq2ncgptq6gq45qoto6fnkfwughfl4gbt44swad.onion
This can be combined with a TAILS USB stick
Example: https://4rkal.com/posts/feathernero/

Cupcake - a companion app for Cake Wallet, similar to Anonero
https://github.com/cake-tech/cupcake/releases/
Available in Play Store, App Store, and F-Droid repo

Sidekick - a companion app for Monerujo. Uses bluetooth to conduct offline signing
https://sidekick.monerujo.app/

A dedicated* Android** 12+ device - if you're using a strong*** password****, an Android device gives acceptable security.
You can disable "Allow display over other apps" and accessibility services on apps that don't need it for peace of mind, and any antennas/ports can be physically disabled if you're concerned about them compromising security. Even without these extra steps, a mobile wallet is fine.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/juq9ip/offline_wallet_question/gcf76cg/?context=3
No, seriously.
https://x.com/unstoppablebyhs/status/1936067263880478879

*Don't use your daily device for secure storage
**Apple is a private company and closed source, but this also applies to iOS.
***9-18 characters. 2-3 diceware words should do it.
****For burgers specifically, your biometrics are nontestimonial and not protected by self-incrimination laws.

>>61774218
>Hardware wallets - Ledger Nano (S, S Plus, and X) and Trezor (Model T, Safe series) support XMR. You'll need to use a separate wallet (Feather, Monero GUI, Cake, etc) to manage your funds as the native apps don't work with XMR.
I'd just avoid hardware wallets altogether. None of them seem acceptable to us but I haven't looked more deeply into them.
>***9-18 characters. 2-3 diceware words should do it.
9 to 18 is too low. I'd go with at least 30 characters. When I use a password manager I do at least 50 characters + about 10 I came up with myself. Diceware can work but I'm not the biggest fan of it.
>****For burgers specifically, your biometrics are nontestimonial and not protected by self-incrimination laws.
Sadly the situation for burgers is a bit more complicated. Biometrics are not protected, that's completely correct, however, passwords are also not protected in some border crossings (mostly national borders but apparently the same mindset was also used for state borders). There's some weird legal justification that the first amendment only is applicable after you passed border patrol. So for burgers who plan to travel to foreign countries or people like the brits who need to reveal their passwords it'd be best to have a duress pin or a hidden volume. Both can be used in a normie friendly way.

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>>61769678
>>61769879
can you stop stinking up our board please?

>>61774315
>I'd just avoid hardware wallets altogether. None of them seem acceptable to us but I haven't looked more deeply into them.
I'm 50/50. I don't like how you have to trust that the company doesn't leak your info on the darkweb (why i don't use them) but I do like that they're wireless non-internet devices with secure elements.

>9 to 18 is too low. I'd go with at least 30 characters. When I use a password manager I do at least 50 characters + about 10 I came up with myself. Diceware can work but I'm not the biggest fan of it.
Agreed, but the max legnth on android (not sure about iOS) is 18 characters. The good news is after 10 wrong tries android will secure erase itself(again, not sure about iOS) so the password doesn't have to be THAT strong. 2 diceware words with a character of your choice in between should be more or less impossible to guess in 10 tries
See: https://lowe.github.io/tryzxcvbn/

>Sadly the situation for burgers is a bit more complicated. Biometrics are not protected, that's completely correct, however, passwords are also not protected in some border crossings (mostly national borders but apparently the same mindset was also used for state borders). There's some weird legal justification that the first amendment only is applicable after you passed border patrol. So for burgers who plan to travel to foreign countries or people like the brits who need to reveal their passwords it'd be best to have a duress pin or a hidden volume. Both can be used in a normie friendly way.
Sad.
I didn't know that about duress pins. I thought the only way get duress mode was to enter 10 wrong passwords or send a secret text to the phone in question. This is a huge plus in favor of mobile devices.

holy shit the bakecel threads were better than this shit

>>61774746
>but I do like that they're wireless non-internet devices with secure elements.
Sounds like nitrokey got an opportunity to seize.
>Agreed, but the max legnth on android (not sure about iOS) is 18 characters.
Wtf, that's crazy
>. I thought the only way get duress mode was to enter 10 wrong passwords or send a secret text to the phone in question.
Might be the case for AOSP. I know you can set a duress pin for graphene.
>or send a secret text to the phone in question
Never heard of that one. I feel like that could get abused somehow.

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Anyone else have any thoughts on >>61769961 ?

>>61774804
I'll give you a hint:
There's native atomic swaps for this coin right now with XMR, but no one uses them for some reason.

XMR

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X M R
M R X
R X M

Is it time to buy yet?

>>61775460
We'll be back at ~250 in a couple of weeks/months. So no.

>>61775460
It always is time to buy

>>61775498
Why would we? We've been around 400 for a long time

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>>61774804
The answer is Nerva (XNV)

Mods started deleting all XNV posts after Nerva chads exposed bots in Monero threads.

>>61775514
Anyone who believes the bot fud is a NlGGER

>>61775460
>is it time to buy yet?
I suspect so, I would be surprised if it went lower than this. 400 is not a bad price floor desu

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>>61775460
how bout at 380? i recently i said, this >>61765713
>it can't possibly go under 380, right?
>>61766560
>Won't happen.
>mfw when we are at $382

>>61775651
>>mfw when we are at $382
Yeah I guess I just assume the market is the slightest bit rational. Thankfully as a longterm investor this bs isn't a concern to me

>>61775460
350

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>>61775503
Zoom out dummy. HUGE rejection. ~250 might be too generous actually, maybe more like ~200.

I have been wanting to sell a little bit of my stash to get a couple thousands in cash but I've been stuck at the wallet syncing for two days, in that time it keeps getting lower, fuuuuuuuuuuck

Why do I have to wait for the wallet to fully sync before initating a transaction?

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Why it's so fucking slow

>>61775877
>Price fell once so now there's no stopping

>>61776071
i found feather to sync faster somehow.

also feather said they were working on a feature that will sync your wallet to the most recent block immediately, if you know you haven't sent/received a transaction and just want it synced.

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>>61776071
also if you havent synced in a long while, be sure youre on the most recent update of the wallet

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>>61775877
Please for the love of god go back to $200 so i can buy 10x the amount i wanted to buy at $400/$500.

>>61776071
it has to decode and parse all those blocks searching for any transactions that belongs to you
if you already have good internet, close any programs to free some CPU

>>61774788
>Might be the case for AOSP. I know you can set a duress pin for graphene.
Turns out there's an app
https://f-droid.org/packages/me.lucky.duress/
>Never heard of that one.
This is also an app
https://f-droid.org/packages/de.nulide.findmydevice/

I bought at 490 and 430, and it keeps going down.
I can buy one more time with the fiat I have, what price should I get in? 370?

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>>61773837
>Out of stock, is there anything comparable in stock?

Sadly I haven't been able to find a 'cheap' alternative since RAM prices distorted the market.
See: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/FiatDemise/saved/#view=d77DJx

This build was ~$900 a few months ago.

>>61776869
You should be looking to buy in the 200-300 range.

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Thicksett

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>>61775514
i was told in my other thread to seek out nerva by this anon >>61777207 because ive lost about half of my XMR. i read this thread and seen the bot comments and bot shit

like what the actual fuck is going on over here with XMR?

why is there bots here and why wasn't this general up earlier today? i searched for it a few hours ago, this XMR general was non existent, but the posts go back to yesterday. i looked up nerva also and im pissed, its going straight up while XMR is going straight down. XMR is fucking below 380

>just glad i didnt sink all my monery into XMR right now

>>61778058
diddybluh, that dead shitcoin had no signs of life until recently
i've made a memecoin in the past week with more volume than that

come on

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It's going to 200 before my wallet syncs

>>61761870
I'd love to mine but where i live (swiss mountains) electricity is like 40c (chf) / kwh after taxes, maybe i should buy a patch of land and install solar panels lol.

>>61778168
You could actually do something productive with the land instead of using it to farm this semen slurping token lmao. Talk about lost opportunity cost.

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What is the use case of those payment channels?
I don't get it.

>>61778058
See >>61778248

>>61778215
You know all those fancy atomic swaps and dexs and L2s on other chains that have proven to be too difficult to implement on XMR?
That. The next hard fork will make all of this way easier to implement. Read about grease here: https://github.com/grease-xmr/grease

>>61778146
>made a memecoin
which one or are you just blowing smoke? any actual reason why XMR dropping or is this general actually just a bot snooze fest? I have yet to see why XMR would drop except new update or this bot fest. im not happy with either.

>>61761916
who careś it's totally untracable.

>>61778282
yes i see that post, mine was the post above it on that thread asking wth is going on with XMR. i dont understand it, my eyes say bot finder guy was right. this general and even that reply on the other thread with the sealion glows. im selling the majority of my XMR, i dont want anything to do with this bot fest.

>>61778301
Not great fud, but at least it's different.

Next you're going to say that we should buy piratechain? Lmao.

>>61778346
im not sure how me losing my money due to XMR dropping is fud. there being other threads that say a botnet was discovered here and the fact that i just read this entire general and seen the bots with my own two eyes i guess doesnt count. but whatever. i lost money bc XMR went to shit. i created a thread about it here>>61775192 so stop calling it fud, XMR dropped all the way below into the 370 price range and this general is silent on that bc its a bunch of bots and a few XMR hodler shills, im fucking out, my shit is sold.

>>61778287
Because XMR had no reason to pump other than a big off-the-books transaction. It's heading back to its natural level of around $250.

>>61778385
That's pretty much what happens every time.

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>>61778371
>XMR went to shit
Is this your first year here? Monero is doing great.

You lost money only if you were dumb enough to sell. If you were in it only for quick profit and didn't care about the tech at all I guess Monero wasn't for you.

>>61778392
no its not my first year. good thing i double checked as many areas as i could. i headed over to XMR subreddit and read the posts.

lets just say im glad i sold out.
the comments on rediit just fell on deaf ears.
zero percent of the criticism of the update was answered.
that anon up there (dkSetEk5 is the id) that everyone shit on was right every time in this thread.
after seeing the bots here, its clear XMR is a scam.

have a good day the few real anons still in here, get out while you can.

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>>61778392

id rather by a shillcoin than suck fed-dick.
>someone screencap this.

>>61778486
>>someone screencap this.
why do you want to appear in Epstein Files?

>>61778494
>>61778494
>1pbtid
>posted within 2min like many of replies here
>bot confirmed

>>61778499
>>61778499
nigga I'm just on a new IP today
let me post peacefully

>>61778464
thanks for the tip brother, just sold 100k

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>>61778464
>>61778499
>BOTS, BOTS EVERYWHERE ON 4CHANNEL
>THIS MEANS MONERO IS GOING TO ZERO
>YOU REPLIED IN LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES?
>YOU'RE A BOT TOO

Sir, your meds.

>>61778696
Why wouldn't the nerva dev act this way after setting up places to sell his shitcoin?

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>nooooo why is the heckin' price going down from the ATH after 282 million dollars was laundered with it
>if only you guys would have told me the price wouldn't stay at the ATH forever! why don't you care????

gonna double my moneros soon btw.
see ya moonfag

>>61778917
congrats on doubling your ant "stack" faggot

>>61778945
wow what a rude cunt
APOLOGIZE

>>61778955
no

>>61776850
Thank you. That's very useful.

>>61778058
>why is there bots here
There aren't Some doublenigger thought I was a bot because he wrote IKE THlS and thought no programmer in the last twenty years could ever implement fuzzy matching to change similarly looking characters. Take one look at the retards who is pushing nerva and you'll see the absolute bottom of the barrel. Those people don't even know that programming languages get updated (>>61767858) or that using two year old software in critical fields isn't good because CVEs might come out.

>>61778287
>any actual reason why XMR dropping
Pretty much only the view key fud. Maybe some retards also bought into pmgs thinking they'd be safer than Monero.

>>61778464
>zero percent of the criticism of the update was answered.
The criticism that has been answered multiple times now? Read >>61761926 for once you retard.
>that anon up there (dkSetEk5 is the id) that everyone shit on was right every time in this thread.
You mean he was right when he didn't know that programming languages get updated, that CVEs exist, that nerva wasn't developed by some former XMR dev? He doesn't even know that XMR is ASIC resistant.

>>61778917
>gonna double my moneros soon btw.
>see ya moonfag
Based

Windows auto deleted the Monero wallet Gui exe, said it was a virus, how do I stop it from deleting the exe?

>>61779263
There should be some feature in windows defender to ignore some programs like the wallet. Sadly microsoft sometimes likes to ignore those kinda settings anyway.

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>>61779263
in windows security, make a whitelisted folder.
>picrel under controlled folder access
i put all my wallets in that folder to skip this.
also to get the .exe back go to your quarantined programs in defender and return it.

Why is nobody talking about this????

John McAfee all but said that Adam Back was Satoshi (search the clip, he says Satoshi is British and uses double spaces after sentences).

>Adam Back is British and used double spaces after sentences

Now after this weekend's Epstein docs, we know that Adam Back 1) went to the island, 2) stayed with Epstein at hotels in the Virgin Islands, and 3) accepted money from him for Blockstream

So LITERALLY, Satoshi is in the Epstein files and Bitcoin was financially backed by Epstein.

Why is nobody talking about this? This doesn't take much effort to solve. It's sitting right there in the open. This is the greatest propaganda win of all time for Monero against Bitcoin.

WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT IT?

>>61780278
Because that grifter Adam Back isn't Satoshi.

>didn't sell at 795
I don't feel anything, but if someone handed me a gun, I would kill myself immediately.

>>61780293
According to John McAfee he is

>>61780278
>This is the greatest propaganda win of all time for Monero against Bitcoin.
For moonboys maybe. Our advantage lies in our code, not the lead dev or maintainer.

>>61778371
>>61778371
>>61778464
>>61778486
>I'm selling
>And leaving
>For real this time
>I'm not coming back
>Never
>Never ever

IT'S GOIN' DOWN, I'M YELLIN', TIMBER !!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHUbLv4ThOo

>>61781883
thank for you posting this for me

>>61769961
Buy Hyperliquid and thank me later

Day 3 of synching the gui wallet..

>>61782527
Sir I unironically boughted, but with bitFUCK shitting itself hype is going down also probably. What is your opinion on that matter though kind sir. I ain’t selling I accepted that since I put all this money in crypto it might aswell not exist KEK.

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>the xmr general is all bots
>i need to bump it at least 3 times a day due to no activity
can we just talk about how hot monerochan is instead of all this bullshit?

>>61782881
nakadashi

>>61780278
>>61780369
THIS IS THE BIGGEST STORY IN THE HISTORY OF CRYPTO AND FAGGOTS ARE TRYING TO MAKE YOU IGNORE IT WITH THE OLD TIRED “MOONBOY” INSULT
> THIS IS THE BIGGEST STORY IN THE HISTORY OF CRYPTO AND FAGGOTS ARE TRYING TO MAKE YOU IGNORE IT WITH THE OLD TIRED “MOONBOY” INSULT
THIS IS THE BIGGEST STORY IN THE HISTORY OF CRYPTO AND FAGGOTS ARE TRYING TO MAKE YOU IGNORE IT WITH THE OLD TIRED “MOONBOY” INSULT
> THIS IS THE BIGGEST STORY IN THE HISTORY OF CRYPTO AND FAGGOTS ARE TRYING TO MAKE YOU IGNORE IT WITH THE OLD TIRED “MOONBOY” INSULT
THIS IS THE BIGGEST STORY IN THE HISTORY OF CRYPTO AND FAGGOTS ARE TRYING TO MAKE YOU IGNORE IT WITH THE OLD TIRED “MOONBOY” INSULT
> THIS IS THE BIGGEST STORY IN THE HISTORY OF CRYPTO AND FAGGOTS ARE TRYING TO MAKE YOU IGNORE IT WITH THE OLD TIRED “MOONBOY” INSULT

>>61780278
Epstein whored out some whores and blackmailed politicians?
Sounds pretty based to me.
Am I missing something?

>>61782913
Ok how does affect our code?

>>61782916
Go back to Rumble and watch your lord fuentes you annoying bot.

>>61780278
>XYZ was Satoshi
No one cares about this

>Bitcoin was financially backed by Epstein.
This has nothing to do with XMR, but it's interesting enough to start a thread. Why not do that?

>>61782936
Shut the fuck up. Seriously what the hell is wrong with you? Why would you want to undermine the significance of this story?

How long has Monero topics directly discussed the shortcomings of bitcoin? Now when you’re handed the greatest development ever on a silver platter you want to pretend like the only thing that’s relevant to talk about are literal comments on Monero code?

Go fuck yourself BOT
Go fuck yourself FED
Go fuck yourself SHILL

>>61782913
that is John McAfee's guess, there is no conclusive evidence

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>>61782966
>Shut the fuck up. Seriously what the hell is wrong with you? Why would you want to undermine the significance of this story?
>
>How long has Monero topics directly discussed the shortcomings of bitcoin? Now when you’re handed the greatest development ever on a silver platter you want to pretend like the only thing that’s relevant to talk about are literal comments on Monero code?
>
>Go fuck yourself BOT
>Go fuck yourself FED
>Go fuck yourself SHILL

>>61782962
Bot
>>61782969
Bot
>>61782976
Bot

It’s honestly hilarious watching “people” try to pretend this is irrelevant.

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>>61782990
>>>61782962
>Bot
>>>61782969
>Bot
>>>61782976(You)
>Bot
>
>It’s honestly hilarious watching “people” try to pretend this is irrelevant.

>>61782966
>Why would you want to undermine the significance of this story?
Can you please tell me how this affects XMR's code?
>How long has Monero topics directly discussed the shortcomings of bitcoin?
Long enough to show this doesn't effect price or the quality of monero. What's worse is that we also don't see any backdoor in BTC, so we have nothing to talk about other than that some BTC devs are pedos.
>on a silver platter
Overvalued anyway
>you want to pretend like the only thing that’s relevant to talk about are literal comments on Monero code?
I don't, the comments are not used by the compiler

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>>61782990

>>61782990
Nigger there's already 2 threads about this.

>>61781735
>>61781203

Go talk about it there
They're not talking about this in /pmg/ or /smg/ or /xsg/ or any other general, btw. It's almost like it's literally off topic

>>61783087
I never said satoshi WAS Epstein. Learn to read nigger

>>61783164
Way to miss the point, nigger.
Go start a thread about it instead of shitting up a thread that has nothing to do with what you're talking about

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$370 stablecoin

>>61780278
>>61782913
>>61782937
>>61782966
>>61782990
I don't care about if he is Satoshi, I don't care about Bitcoin now. It's a useless coin.

>>61778191
Such as?

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>>61778392
lol

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>>61778464
this is me, not sure yet if my id changed. just fyi

>>61778392
>>61785942
not sure why you all are posting these graphs, it dropped and is exactly the reason i sold my XMR. i started a general about the other day, your charts propaganda. the price crashed hard shortly after that spike.

>pic is actual chart, please stop spreading lies about the price.