>>61781896
Yep. My coworker finally bought his first house at 37, I’m 34, and I likely wont be able to till I’m 40 at least.
Reaaaaaallllllllllyyyyyyy getting tough to not just start killing people.

>>61781896
Buy sugar. You can buy 1 year of calories for 1 day of work

>>61781912
>first house
You can’t just say that. Where? District? Cost of living? Price?
You said nothing while trying to sound smart.

>>61781896
>Would it be correct to say that every working class person will lose 2-4 years for every 10 years worked because things are getting so hard?

No because that involves completely retarded thinking. People's earnings have generally outpaced inflation of most items.

You have to completely ignore the historical standard of living to arrive in imaginary math land

Nobody under 40 now will ever retire.
Nobody under 50 now without a significant pension pot will ever retire.

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>>61781912
Soon brother

>>61781929
It isn’t just imaginary math.
How come the bottom 90% had to cut back spending?
So many years do you think the average person post per 5 years?
Assuming inflation rate of ..10%? or 20%

>>61781946
*lost per 5 years**

>>61781925
About 30 minutes from my workplace, stupid nigger. Thats the only metric that matters. Fuck you.

>>61781939
This is what I believe too.

>>61781980
It matters because how much is the house. Lcol? mcol?
Can’t expect your first house to be in the millions.

>>61782004
Its in some shitty residential area 45 minutes outside of Philadelphia
You know, where the working class is expected to live.
I know all the cocksuckers on this worthless dogshit website will say working class people should live in fucking Iowa and just take a plane to work every day on their 85k/yr salary but that doesn't actually work, dumbfuck.

>>61781939
So what do I do as a 28 year old?
Feels like you can't do anything right.

>>61782109
kek op btfo

>>61782150
You're supposed to suck cock and eat shit and fuck yourself this this piece of shit >>61782004 would suggest

>>61782150
You can’t
I work the bare minimum to not get fired and jack off most of the time. Why work hard when I will never get ahead

>>61782162
Like this*

>>61781896
The standard of living will keep declining, but it's gonna decline for everybody.
The k shaped economy is as unsustainable as an economy can get.

>>61781896
the standard of living and ownership can go back to the state it was 100 years ago and so but the million dollar question is how global population can sustain itself with low fertility rate and declining healthcare. shouldn't be more worried about morality rate surpassing the fertility rate ? I've barely seen anyone talking about this when bringing the entire "death of western middle class living standard" argument

>>61782196
>but it's gonna decline for everybody.
>The k shaped economy
Pick one and only one.
> unsustainable as an economy can get.
Watch Judge Dredd original, Total Recall remake and Elysium and even Ready Player One. It is a glimpse into the future. It is sustainable.

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>>61781946
Again you remain extremely retarded and have a narrative that's not backed up by reality.

>>61782220
See>>61782317
I honestly believe that is our future.
>>61782158
>>61782109
Rude. “First house” for most people is usually some unattainable million dollar home for people today .

>>61782322
Lmfaoo
And 2022 and onwards?
Idiot.

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>>61782317
>Unsustainable as an economy can get
>"Hey bro check out all these fictional stories. Since someone could imagine them that somehow makes it real"

>>61782349
So your claim is that since 2022 inflation has somehow been super massive and wages themselves has dramatically declined?

What are you smoking?

>>61782350
>predictive programming.
Massive wealth inequality was always in humanity’s future.
>>61782360
2022 and even 2020 onwards has completely changed the landscape.
The 1% saw their wealth increase 40%.
Massive job losses, ai/automation, non-stop immigration increased during covid driving down wages etc.

>>61782360
Have you not noticed how much worse it is now since 2022? lmao. Home prices went up a lot. Supply of labor went up a lot.

>>61782350
Tech advancements, dude.
Think Cyberpunk.
But watch those movies I mentioned. Check out the advanced tech with a massive wealth gap.

>>61782350
technologies of bipedal cattle golemification have progressed a lot since those novels were written, things are even more sustainable and safe to implement now, and will get even safer and even more sustainable with AI
in 15 years a freeman billionaire will be able to walk naked in the middle of New York, beating "people" and all they will do is piss themselves and cry
we will live to see the creation of a separate language that the masses will use, and a taboo-based religion that they will self-enforce

>>61782340
> “First house” for most people is usually some unattainable million dollar home for people today .
No it isn't you ignorant cocksucker, fuck off.

>>61782492
Have you seen the movies I mentioned?
I believe those movies really are a good glimpse into the future.
If you don’t have time, then check out the first 15 mins of Judge Dredd Original, the helicopter ride.
Or Elysium, the whole movie. Or Total Recall Remake

>>61782517
Yeah it is. Everyone looks at a house in a vhcol area and goes
>yeah, houses are unaffordable

>>61782431
>The 1% saw their wealth increase 40%.

What does that have to do with you?

>Massive job losses, ai/automation, non-stop immigration increased during covid driving down wages etc.

But wages haven't declined, nor has unemployment risen to anything out of the ordinary. This is a fictional narrative you're running with on the basis you don't have the lifestyle you thought you're entitled to (though basically no one in history ever had)

>>61782350
You are so far behind. lol. You brought up a chart that ends at 2022. lol.

>>61782550
Yeah because it neatly charts wages on top of these other costs of goods. What do you think inflation has been since 2022?

>>61782531
Nope, nice gay fucking dumbfuck anecdote idiot, do you routinely just make shit up to fit your opinion?

>>61782492
Can you give a historical example where there was a Moloch worshipping degenerate elite AND harsh top down dictatorship?

Those AIs and robots are not magic, someone builds them, maintains them, designs them. Trust fund kiddies have no idea how to. You can be sure that if it comes to that kind of dystopia, it won't be some jewish degen on top.

>>61782550
>>61782560
Cumulative inflation from June 2022 to the end of 2025 was about 7%. Nominal wages were up around 7-9%, so just barely outpacing that. What are you smoking

>>61782560
You brought up a chart ending in 2022, when now in 2026, things have gotten so bad even business news channels have to say which economy they are talking about when they say the word “economy.”
I always chuckle when they do that.

>>61782522
of course I've seen them
but I'm more inspired by the past, as it is non-fiction, those things have happened, and can happen again
my favorite things of the past is the societal structure of Hawaii islands
one of my favorite fairy tales goes like this:
>a family was very happy that one of their young sons got a job at the court, as a spittoon holder
>one day he stumbles and drops king's spittoon
>everyone around him goes ape shit and beats and chokes him to death on the spot
>the family is very sad, but their other son decides to take the now-vacant spot and becomes a spittoon holder too, the family is upset that the same thing can happen to him, but he says he'll do a good job unlike his retarded clumsy brother
>one day he almost stumbles and almost drops the spittoon
>soldiers laugh and say that if he was any clumsier they would have slaughtered him right there
that's it
that's the story
it makes me hard thinking that a similar society can be built again, where every commoner will kill a commoner whose shadow falls on my belongings, instantly, on the spot, no questions asked

>>61782585
Economic data shows the bottom 90% has cut back spending. You really trust the official inflation numbers?

>>61782590
> of course I've seen them
Yeah but seeing them without being aware of it is different. It really looks like that is the future we are heading to. Massive wealth inequality but very advanced tech that even the poorest people have some of that tech.
Your story, idk. We aren’t having that. The rich will live in the skies or different districts.

>>61782317
>Judge dread original
The one with Stallone? Shitty movie.
>Total recall remake
Shitty movie compared to the original
>Elysium
Shitty movie
>Ready player 1
Shitty movie
Jesus, this board reaaly went to shit

>>61782549
>you don't have the lifestyle you thought you're entitled to
Living in an urban environment without niggers, with nutritious food, with people you share a moral framework, is not "entitlement". It is what has been normal for thousands of years.
When the prole has trouble feeding himself, housing himself, and starting a family, it is not his problem, it is the ruler's.

You are delusional if you think that people have the same access to food, housing and relationships as they had just a decade ago.

>>61782588
*What* has gotten so bad? Point to something concrete that can be quantified. You keep saying shit and don't have anything to actually show.

"Durr people SAY the economy is bad!!!"
"What's bad?"
"Da house prices!!!!"
"No not really, see we can look at this index of housing prices and..."
"No!!!! GAAAH!! My STEAK!"
"Yeah steak prices have definitely outpaced inflation because of a bunch of issues with herds and stuff. What percentage of your income is spent on steak?"

>>61782585
Case-Shiller home index of prices was up 7.9% cumulatively, so slightly above inflation, right in line with increased wages.

>>61782609
>Stallone
Just watch the first 15 minutes, the helicopter ride.
Fucking idiot. Watch the movies to see a glimpse into the future. Total Recall remake was amazing, bro. Got better with age. Elysium was great too except the Jodie Foster girlboss nonsense

>>61782594
What "economic data"? Some shitty survey? Sales are up, retail is chugging along.

>>61782620
The wealth gap.
In 2021, the bottom 99% lost 21 trillion and 1% gained 21 trillion.
Many businesses have shut down. In the k shaped economy, one line keeps going down.

>>61782629
The top 10% do 50% of the consumption.
Bottom 90% has cut back spending long ago.
Bro, what is your day time job?
What I am saying is basic knowledge..
Even Wal Mart ceo said they target 100k+ income people cause everyone is feeling the pinch.

>>61782492
technologies of bipedal cattle golemification have progressed a lot since but we also might be at peak of it if automation doesn't replace human labor in next 20 years. things got better and better across history because of better living standards and resources being more accessible. to elaborate on >>61782220
for innovation you need system that encourages curiosity and competition. if there won't be enough competition and cultivation there will be stagnation. the huge red flag I see with current economic system is majority of people running it are elderly people wanting to extract as much value from the system as possible. it's a system that doesn't reward intellectual thinking but nepotism. younger generations have to postpone financial goals like housing because housing is now seen as asset with value. the bigger problem is we live in economic system that is designed to extract value rather than rewarding innovation. extract value means more competition for same resources and uncertainty about stability. too much uncertainty and speculation leads to less risk taking which means less people are encouraged to start a family. for the long term it means potential human workforce shortage which could lead to global chain supply issues, decline in healthcare and too much instability which can lead to complete collapse of the entire global economy. subculture communities has higher chance of surviving such economic collapse because they less depends on global supply and current global economy system

>>61782549
>do with you
It means the have nots are fighting over less.

>>61782652
Go watch I, Robot.
That is also a good glimpse into our future.

>>61782652
> for innovation you need system that encourages curiosity and competition. if there won't be enough competition and cultivation there will be stagnation.
China is where future innovation will be. There is “too much competition” in China. Look at evs. Holy shit.

This guy is replying for the sake of replying. Should have just stopped when he showed a chart that ended at 2022.

>>61782652
Nice anon, I agree with you. I also find very troubling how difficult it has become to find quality information. The more polarized society becomes the more unreliable become all sources of information.

Real art and general cultural production is also in an extreme decline.

>>61782659
The 1% getting 40% more doesn't mean the 99% got poorer. And they didn't.

>In 2021 the bottom 99% lost 21 trillion and 1% gained 21 trillion

No the, the 99% didn't. The median wage or median net worth of Americans rose in 2021 and sense. Else, tell me what the median wage and net worth of Americans declined by

>>61782702
The consumption of the 1% - 10% is so big and growing that it enough drive costs of goods up.
Bottom 99% lost 21 trillion also. This means after 4 years, they fight over less while their population also grows.

>>61782692
Again peak retardation, inflation has been even lower sense 2022

>>61782720
Covid era was a massive wealth transfer lol
The bottom 90% are more serfs than ever. There is less money available to them.
Data shows bottom 90% has cut back spending.

>>61782721
But the median income and wealth hasn't declined, so what are you smoking?

>>61782652
basically, economic life was historically organized around subsistence, tradition, and feudal obligation rather than profit maximization, competitive markets, and wage labor. capitalism obligates profit maximization, competitive markets, and wage labor rather than subsistence, tradition, and feudal obligation. the long term consequences of industrial revolution has made wealth inequality so bad to the point majority of humanity can't reproduce

>>61782740
>There is less money available to them.

But there isn't

>Data shows bottom 90% has cut back spending.

What data? Some shitty self report?

>>61781912
I could get a cheap house next year if I saved up and I’m $100k in debt currently, what do you do for work and investments?

>>61782748
there's a chance we have already experienced peak capitalism (1960-71) and now we experience the decline.

>>61782750
This is basic knowledge.
Even cheaper departments stores saw an increase in revenue and the ceos say it is cause higher income shoppers have had to cut back too.

>>61782750
The top 10% are carrying the economy. If something happens there, we will actually experience a recession we cannot hide.

>>61782317
Your movie taste is fucking horrendous.
>>61782150
You can still make it. Just keep making incremental improvements in yourself and your skills. Never stop.
>feels like you can't do anything right
I felt that way too. It's normal. Don't give up. Invest primarily in yourself and your male friendships.

>>61782150
>Feels like you can't do anything right.
Gamble on shitcoins or sports.

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>>61781896
close, every economy "grows" and "contracts", but the reality is the financial vehicle used to pay things (USD) just constantly grows more and more in supply. The more corrupt, the more they use the value for things that aren't approved or make sense. The more they print.
>the value stays the same, yet the vehicle representing the total value increases
Since they can print fast or slow, it means they have a direct valve on how much inflation they can produce. I want you to think about that. If everyone stopped paying taxes, they could still indirectly tax you by just printing more money. Now theyre always printing more money... AND taxing you. Kinda a double dip right?
>any "safe retirement" they try to get you to go in means moot if they can just destroy what the current concept of normal operating costs are through inflation
My parents retired, whom get 1600 a month in retirement... can you live on that? Sure, when they were in their 20s 1600 was a lot... but now its practically nothing, but they still get the same dollar amount. This has shown me government encouraged saving programs for retirement are a scam. Imagine if they paid that amount in BTC instead starting from 10 years ago? They'd be million/billionaires.
>there is a lesson here for you to learn

>>61782774
>It's basic knowledge 90% of people reduced their spending

How?

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>>61782317
lets look at who are the uppers and downers in the K shaped economy:
>uppers
-streamers
-corporate business owners
-successful day traders
-niche industry monopolies
-ponzi scheme runners
>downers
-the typical 9-5 wagie
-neets
-homeless
-small mom and pop business owners
-working for others

Seems to me like there is a clear slave class forming and slave owners. Those who do not produce labor or goods are the ones "guiding" who do while scalping all the value. Its unsustainable and once labor disappears, they will collapse. Keep in mind you pay 2/3rds of your taxes towards corruption, which hurts and sins on others. Last i checked complacency is a sin. See how they got you by the balls?

>>61783094
See this>>61783101
Only those with top 10% income or networth still have money to spend. Its basic knowledge.