>>61784104
define real you faggot

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>>61784104
Money is a tool. An agreed-upon concept that facilitates economic activity. Even if its value isn't intrinsic but rather assigned by human belief and systems, the effects are real.

>>61784129
money is "real" until you realize it literally isn't.

allow me to elaborate. and yet this really is the best argument you are going to get in favor of money being an illusion.

you know how we have these gigantic big box stores? tons of technology on display?

what if i just went inside and just took said technology. did not pay. just took it. and walked out.

b-bro you can't do that you'll go to jail!

but what if i did?

the entire concept of money disappears. poof. this is the truth. what if you went inside and just started eating produce and other foods? where does the money go? it's gone. poof. you ate the value. or maybe the value never existed.

this is the hard truth that many people can't accept.

your money, your wealth, is like a sandcastle on the beach. you don't realize it's already toppled before it's even been built.

>>61784149
>let x represent food
>x = 5
>-x = 0/nothing
the balance sheet at the shop selling the produce is -5 either way. you cant say abstract measures of logic dont exist, unless you are purely a materialist, in which youd be wrong and i can prove it to you after i drive home

>>61784104
Would you say value is real?

bump

Were nearing a post scarcity economy in some ways. You can get all the food, shelter and clothing and toys for $4000 a month even in the united states. The rest cost adjusted.

>>61784171
> you cant say abstract measures of logic dont exist, unless you are purely a materialist, in which youd be wrong and i can prove it to you
go on

>>61784104
If money isn't real, why your mother charges $5 a bj back in the alleys?

>>61784805
>>61784182
You can address my question whenever you're ready.

>>61784129
>Money is a tool. An agreed-upon concept that facilitates economic activity.
No, money is a tool used by elites to extract resources from people.

>>61784127
if you write laer backwards, is it even real?

>>61784104
Money is as real as anything else.

>>61784149
It isn't real but we're not at the point yet in society where we can eliminate it entirely from the equation. Ai can make it happen

>>61784149
So your argument is that, money is not real, because you can just steal things? I don't get it, what is this nigger logic.

My argument is money isn't real because all transactions can have money eliminated from them and stop being transactions

>>61787157
OK, but money is a tool, you can use it or you can barter. Just because you can not use a tool does not mean the tool does not exist. For example, you can eat food with a fork or with your hands, that doesn't mean the forks aren't real.

money is a store of value, and btw. if you want to barter, that is trade goods without the use of money it would be highly impractical, trade 20KG rice for some beef ? you can see how money is both convenient and practical. so money is a store of value with different denominations. simple logic ?

>>61787430
>Ai produces all of the things
>The point of money gets devalued
>Money is obsoleted
Born in shittiest period

>>61784104
who cares i guess, it's so easy to just die
nothing really matters.

>>61787430
Money is not a store of value per se.
Money is a medium of exchange.
Unlike barter, money solves the double coincidence of wants problem.
SOMETIMES (not always) money is hard/sound, like gold and whatnot, and therefore it also acts as a store of value.
But any asset can act as a store of value, see real estate for boomers, or land, equities, etc.

>>61787138
i mean yeah. you could just go live in someone's home and suddenly the idea of property ownership seems to be an illusion.

debit card got frozen when i tried to buy a mac mini. guess money isn't real after all.