Yes!! Let's get back to talking about actual idols...
So Aurucle and Nocturna released music the other day, how do y'all feel about it?

>>10964966
the kpop redditor will spam and derail the thread eventually
>Aurucle
another disappointing release. they haven't recovered since the lineup change.

>>10964966
I think safe inside is really cute. But I get the vibe theyre more focused on their maid gig than idol stuff anymore

>>10964966
the photograph they chose for the cover art of the single made me think it was gonna be goth or dark. not a hyperpop idol fusion. it's not bad. it's quirky and enjoyable if you like gen z music, but their branding confuses me. if they were more intentional, their work would tie together more. keira really was the creative and conceptual powerhouse of the original trio.

>>10964966
Gotta agree with the branding and focusing on maid stuff for Auracle.
Nocturna’s song is pretty okay for a first venture but I expected something more gothic from their release too.

Aden is on indefinite hiatus the community is healing

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>>10964959
OP, I hope you're practicing the humiliation ritual idol fan dance

mspaint palette is such a butthurt and corny person for all this complaining about her event coming up flopping terribly. no artistic identity and bad attitude its a no brainer nobody wants to show up. shes like 30 with 2015 self deprecating "humor" that nobody laughs at or finds endearing, and her theater kid style of singing is awful to listen to. she doesn't even have any interest in idols past love live, her and many others only want to take advantage of the idol scope and community to promote their horrible music.

>>10964971
Kpop redditor kristin bleidd

>>10965304
I assumed ticket sales would be mid given it's mspaint palette but surely they can't be that bad

>>10965304
where has she been complaining about her event?

https://x.com/planckstars/status/2000055537585803475
my jaw hit the floor when i saw this just now. keep watching.
obviously this probably happened awhile ago, so was this talked about? honestly, very bold and respect worthy. the competition was too insane for a gaijin to pass, they ended up just picking insiders, but just showing up had potential.

>>10965496
*wait nvm it looks like they're still recruiting and their debut wasn't a final lineup. so maybe this is still active and ongoing? wow good luck then.

Just listened back to some recordings from US Idol Fes — Martha’s singing really impressed me. Her vocal ability is far stronger than most, and she deserves a wider audience.

>>10965634
If people wanted to see a hambeast with good vocals they would just go to a musical theater.

>>10965634
To bad she’s insufferable. Talking to her at USIF was awful.

Someone please tell me when paida finally increases her physical endurance and doesn't sound out of breath the entire performance

How is Holmat/AWA? Anybody there? Any notable comments?

>>10965777
considering the state of the thread I’m going to assume no

>>10965789
AWA was okay

AWA had too many cosplay dance cover groups

>>10965846
It’s because all the gossiping bitches are on the West Coast.

I didn't like Holmat.

>>10965851
I figured it was mostly the dmv and jersey idols but you might be right

>>10965849
>convention
>too many cosplay dance groups
yeah no shit what'd you expect

the holmat idolfest absolutely screwed Sally Amaki over. they cut to the holmat logo instead of the idolfest one after paida finished performing. and half the audience left before she went on

>>10965851
Didn’t they have like 2-3 idols from the west coast there?

Anybody know anything about Eutopianstar? She was at Holtmat, I thought her vocals and stage presence was really good.

>>10965891
For a kid she’s pretty impressive…She’s a good singer but doesn’t dance much. Gives me theater kid rather than idol energy though which I don’t love

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>when you hear ai scream performed by an idol for the 76th time

I was at AWA:

Crowd felt way smaller than last year, expected with Holmat overlap.

Was a bit disappointing but energy was still good. At least for the people that actually performed well IMO

Happy to see more original idols who sang rather than just did cosplay and danced. I’m noticing more and more shows are moving to this. Think it’s just getting more popular

Any favorite acts from AWA, any bust ?

>>10965911
Why don’t you share your opinions with the class, random awa audience member?

>>10965911
Agree with this, found the crowd size really disappointing and the event had too many acts so it thinned out even more as the show went on.
Bunnie and Moe Age were my favorites but many of the acts were very good. Only a few cosplay acts and they were quality. Jelly Jelly, Devilish Fangtashia, and Flare were the less strong acts but all were enjoyable in their own ways and Flare did a good job hosting.

The game room stage was garbage. Sound was awful and way too many cosplay acts. The maid showcase was probably the best in terms of crowd size and quality. I enjoyed the Comet Stage but it felt long.

Ri.vals: cosplay group, mid dancers, didn’t pay attention.

TNT-K: funny skit, great dancers, so it felt like it fit.

Devilish Fangtasia: that entire group needs to look happier on stage. Everyone had major RBF for the majority of the performance. Their concept is so cute, but I was so distracted by how bad of a time everyone looked like they were having. Rushing in off stage between songs. Parts of costumes flying off or missing after coming on backstage. If you want to do that, great!!! Actually practice it next time on the size of stage you’re going to be on. It was just a little sloppy and I think if they cleaned up, they could be a way stronger group.

Chiri Girls: very solid performance, not much to say. The Happy Birthday wish at the end of the set was cute, though it felt a little bit forced crying. Nonetheless, very happy to see them.

Jelly jelly: sing songs in your range. They would be a much better performer. People notice when you switch keys because you aren’t capable of singing in a specific range.

Kuro: I’ve never seen her before outside of her previous group, didn’t know she could sing. For a first-time original idol live singing and dancing, I loved it. She’s in Sweet Supernova. I think the group is dead, been seeing old members start doing more solo stuff. I think Bunnie used to be in the group. Prob internal issues like every other dead group. Happy to see members doing their own thing though. Those two I remember specifically from past Holmat performance, and they were the strongest dancers in their cosplay dance group.

Mage Mimi: her costume was stunning, couldn’t take my eyes off it. She doesn’t need to belt when singing. I don’t feel like it suits her tone or just type of performance style.

X-pressions: they took entirely too long to start. I could even see on the side into the back staff running around trying to get them to hurry up. They don’t need to use props ever again or get better. Other than that, cosplay dance group, nothing more to say.

Bunnie : I’m starting to see her more in idol shows. One of my favorites out of the acts. Think if she starts to take this more seriously, I can see her doing a lot more. Powerful voice but just sang anime covers. I really do want to see what she does next though.

Hamu cotton: was really interested to see her live for the first time given what had been said about her here. Her set was really fun, but she isn’t the strongest singer. Way better dancer, but very, very cute.

Moeage: best part of the entire show. They are genuine pros when it comes to performing.

Phoebe: main crowd showed up for her at the start of the show. Could tell once she performed a lot of people left. Her quality gets better and better every time I see her live. Typical performance from her, not much more to say.


Meet and greet needed to be longer or move moeage and phoebe to another location.

>>10965902
they sucked too lol

>>10965922
Mage was not good.

I agree that Moeage was the best.

>>10965926
Yeah tba you are right I think I was tryna be lil on the nicer side and she was an act that didn’t really stand out to me at all and at the end of a really long idol fest

Best part of the performance was the costume.

>>10965920
Ri.vals did better at the game room stage.

i thought mage was one of the better acts.
>hamu
>moe age
>phoebe
it really says a lot when most of the best acts are from the west coast

>>10965922
and mimi is back. if she can do live performances, why is reso dead? it's the best thing she'll or the other members will ever do. pengy has a shot of proving me wrong but definitely not any other previous member

>>10965953
yearning for resoluscia when it's about to be 2026 is crazy, man. most of their songs sucked, and now mimi and asteroid music team are fucking up vtuber music too.

since this was done for awa I’ll do it for holmat

Hajimari START : aiscream for the 10millionth time, didn’t wear makeup on stage, look like 12 year olds, no stage presence what’s so ever, crowd was hyped by for sure not by them and more so for the song
Auracle : Upon release i personally didn’t like either song and wasn’t going to pay much attention however Safe Inside live was very fun and small bits of the crowd were doing the fan chant, also have to acknowledge their vocals were pretty stable throughout
Varuhara : cosplay group no idea what they did but their background for the set was well done
Dreaming Kumas: cosplay group and I’ve seen them multiple times, I gotta say for what it’s worth they are always very put together and seem genuine in doing if for the love of the characters/media and not because idoling is the “hot new thing”
Eutopian Star: incredible vocals for a child, absolutely no dance skill and small stage presence, there is potential here
Solaris: the outfits for their set were absolutely horrendous
ILLIXCITE: did okay at best, personally I’ve never been wowed by what they put out but they seem to have fun on the stage
Chem X : this group confused me, was this not a kpop dance team? I recognize their music was not kpop but the entire set and group read as kpop cover team
Nocturna: for the original acts aside from the guest performers I think they were very fun and the best this year, you can tell they are still new and had a few hiccups on stage but everything from the song cover choice, their synchronization, costumes, concept and even their original song were done well I consider myself a fan
Mikan Pop: absolutely nothing burger cosplay group
PAiDA: first time seeing her live and it was good not the greatest since my expectations were so high given her so to say status but the energy in the crowd was good, I like the song choices and while she was a touch breathy it didn’t take to much away

>>10965968
hajimari start was so bad it was really funny seeing them get a loud crowd but it being only for the song cause god damn they brought absolutely nothing to the stage.

>>10965968
why are florida cons so set on having their events consist of 80% cosplay groups? and not even good ones at that? it's not 2016 anymore guys...i bet there were original idols who applied and didn't get in because they keep having the same cosplay groups every single year and don't have room to take a "risk" with solo idols or non cosplay groups, extremely frustrating compared to other events like AWA. i'd rather see a bad idol trying to sing than a bunch of cosplay groups doing dance covers only from series that i don't give a shit about

test

>>10965977
unlike la or ny, hardly anyone comes out specifically for idol events and because of that the people heading those events usually pick their friends over some random autist that they can't be sure will show up.

lol funny how in earlier threads no one wanted to talk about moe age because "maids arent idols" but now they are supposedly best in show and the maid showcase was the best quality
how do we know this random awa audience member isnt some asayoru shill

>>10965977
At least when cosidols perform they sometimes play good songs. I can close my eyes and take a nap or something...When a bad idol performs they butcher good songs, play garbage boring originals and ruin ears

>>10966008
ah yes the imaginary maid idol shill, coming here to shill to the most mental case idols instead of just posting on their instagram or twitter.
maybe it's because LA is just filled with low functioning autists and an atlanta anime convention just has casuals that can accurately identify that professional maid idols are... professional without getting triggered.

Don't y'all have anything better to be doing on Christmas than posting on 4chan

>>10966012
clearly you don't

>>10966008
NTA
Maids arent idols, but there are some maids that are idols and Moe Age is a maid based idol group.

Maid Showcase had a big audience and had better sound than the smaller idol stage.

Comet stage had too many dancing cosplayers.

Idol shows should just straight up cut out dancing cosplayers or keep it to a minimum.

Wotagay had a few workshops and a few people on stage.
Wotagay belongs on the pit and not on stage.
There are two people that i blame, Ashes and Peoni. Ashes being straight up a blight to the idol scene favoring her friends over actual talent and Peoni for shilling wotagays to be on stage

>>10966018
pls someone post some footage of the wotagays, I love me some good humiliation ritual

>>10966018
>>10966019
Imagine coming here and being this bitter about anything on Christmas of all days. Get a life kpop redditor

Did anyone have a lovely Christmas?

>>10966024
I just love cringe content

>Biggest wotagay shiler stands in the back with her arms crossed while everyone else popping off
https://x.com/MidnightAerie/status/2004271019973104027
color me surprised

>>10966018
>>10966019
>>10966040

Genuinely curious as to the vendetta y'all have towards wota/. Is there a particular reason beyond "they're on stage and prominent sometimes," or what?

>>10966045
wotagei doesn't belong on stage in idol events. also the wotas don't give a shit about the idols, especially groups like aniwaza, or they only give a shit about vtubers or people like phoebe or pengy that also do the vtuber thing. the whole purpose of wotagei/call&mix was to support idols but now it's just an attention seeking mechanism. some of these events i see more "fancams" of the fans than the actual idols

>>10966045
it's a male thing, like when a dude wears pink everyone will laugh at him, call him a faggot and probably get phisically bullied too, same thing

>>10966050
Okay so it's clear that you don't know these guys at all. They support Phoebe and Pengy because they're two of the most consistent performers in the community. They also support "actual" idols like Alex Pinku and Jenni Bon regularly and I know these guys have poured a ton of money into the kaigai idol community.
>wotagei/call&mix is to support idols!!!! not an attention seeking mechanism!!!!!!
All fan activities are attention-seeking and intended to be signifiers to other fans. You don't make itabags covered in your oshi's merch just because you love them, you do it because it sets you apart and makes you look and feel more "dedicated."
I need the lot of you to be a little more introspective and not immediately tear these guys down for being very visible and dedicated fans of this scene when they've been here for years. Are you, perhaps, mad they get attention from idols, and you don't?

>>10966050
>>10966051
“I hate popular thing and I deserve more attention” is easier to type than this nonsense.

>>10966045
its pretty simple, wotagay belongs in the pit and not on stage.
The issue stems with these wota teams who give the illusion that wotas are there to support and cheer for the idols but in reality they are like post related >>10966040
In a perfect Wotagay community they would be up on stage with vtubers singing on the screen.
Wota teams aren't there to cheer or watch the idols, they are there to make a name for themselves and clout chase.

>>10966050
>Pengy
They gave a shit about her because Ashes does some manager stuff for her

>>10966055
Every time someone shares an unpopular opinion in here or doesn’t like wotagei you people always assume it’s because OP doesn’t know the people. Maybe they actually DO know those people and have interacted with them and that’s why they have those opinions…. Not every idol fan is an attention seeking whore either.. maybe some of them have ita bags to support idols not to get clout online

>>10966058
>who give the illusion that wotas are there to support
the people who don't support are other idols and the serial autists who make a big fuss online about trivial things and then scatter when buppan or birthdays are mentioned.
get a job and put your money where your mouth is.
until then organizers will keep pressing wotagei teams.

>>10966072
>organizers will keep pressing wotagei teams
Name one organization that isn't associated with ashes or peoni

>>10966055
The problem with this comment is that these American wota weren't set to support Kaigai Idols specifically. From the start, their whole deal has been promoting Anison and J-Pop through their own stuff and this is coming from someone who is familiar with them. Kaigai Idols just happen to overlap with their goals because they’re some of the only ones in their local area covering that kind of music. At the end of the day, they’re J-Pop fans first, not necessarily Kaigai Idol fans. Sometimes, you can tell their calls and mixes aren't a means of support—it’s more because the song’s catchy or they just want an excuse to be yakkai. When they gachikoi a Kaigai idol, their chants aren't necessarily coming from genuine devotion but rather because it’s funny to them and matches the rhythm of the track.

Besides poorly singing and hyping up a circle jerk with their friends, what else has AlexPinku and Jennibon done for the community? Also, what makes them “actual” idols (in quotation marks) and why bring them up? People with different opinions might just be raising real concerns, so saying folks are simply “mad” about the attention they get comes off as a defensive self-post. When you think about it, Kaigai Idols aren't as in-demand or as established as J-Pop idols, so there isn't anything to be jealous of.

It’s not hard to cozy up to these people if you share the same interests, and unless you’re someone like Phoebe, not many of them are established in the music industry or doing this at a professional level. Beyond some online clout or scene cred, there isn't much to gain because it’s not sustainable, and hardly anyone’s making real money from it. The Kaigai Idols being praised here might just have funding from white privilege, family, romantic partners, or side jobs, not necessarily because they are under a label or more marketable on a wider scale.

>>10965870
>Sally Amaki
THE Sally Amaki? Not someone with a similar name?

>>10966058
>Wota teams aren't there to cheer or watch the idols, they are there to make a name for themselves and clout chase.
this. fuck wotagay teams. get in the pit or fuck off.

>>10966055
>You don't make itabags covered in your oshi's merch just because you love them, you do it because it sets you apart and makes you look and feel more "dedicated."
Fuck off you absolute fake-ass bitch. You absolutely make itabags to support your husbando/waifu. No wonder you can't see eye-to-eye on the wota issue. You're just in this for attention and can't see anyone that is here to support the hobby and the idols as being genuine, because you, yourself, are not. You are the cancer killing the hobby.

>>10966124
she was a guest at holmat
yes, that one

>Wotagei teams realizing they can actually get paid to perform at concerts and events.
>The name calls for aniwaza is so funny they really are idols now
>wotagei has become so important in vtuber culture in NA (and vice versa)
they arent there for actual t kaigai idols, they are there to make a name for themselves and eventually get up on stage with a vtuber singing behind them

>>10966123
isn't that meme where she changes back and forth between disgust and acceptance?
as an aside you people in the south really make every other american look worse. how you have the nerve to be bigoted while mostly looking like that is beyond me.
and what about nocturna? aren't they from there?

>>10966130
>they are there to make a name for themselves and eventually get up on stage with a vtuber singing behind them
That sounds like a reasonable goal. What's wrong with backup dancers for vtumor trash? At least someone is actually on stage

>>10966142
Nothing wrong with that except it's disingenuous to fake support towards particular Kaigai Idols and the Kaigai Idol community if your priorities lie elsewhere. If you only care about wota culture and specific types of idols, make that your main focus instead of trying to be friendly with everyone else as a way to gain scene cred. Also, I believe wotagei is it's own artform that takes a certain amount of skill however I agree to a certain extent that they belong in the pit and uchishi definitely should not have the same stage or platform as an idol. Wotagei needs to be categorized in it's own separate kind of programming or slot. Their informative teaching panels or seperate demonstrations are fine.

hasnt this been discussed before tho? north american kaigai idols have been overshadowed from the start because the ppl running everything dont actually care about them. all things considered real idol fans and performers still need to visit asia to get that authentic experience i.e. cherie ife in taipei. authentic as in no vtubers, no maids, and spaces where wotagay is only allowed in the audience.

>>10966163
Except people like Cherry Wallflower has been running Kaigai Idol only events like Dream Stage for a long while, yet comments like >>10966123 shit on folks who are legitimate and trying to make a difference outside of convention spaces. Progress is still progress, even if it doesn't look ideal. So we can either shift the energy and support towards organizers/creators who have true intentions or continue repeating this annoying song and dance with fake people who only care about their egos. Your call.

>>10966167
unfortunately for these stand alone events if the performers aren't good/popular, people won't show up and then they lose money and stop having them. that's why they keep inserting vtubers and maids into everything because it gets the weebs who don't give a shit about real women to show up and spend money. none of the performers in that poster scream "idol" to me, or i've never heard of them

>>10966167
i agree cherry does a lot for floridas kaigai scene but this lineup just sucks outside of charm affect I don't see a reason for me personally to come out but i might anyways to support the kaigai scene

>>10966167
this isnt a separate problem tho. not only are there organizers that have no interest in legit idols but 90 percent of the wannabe idols dont have the looks or the talent to draw in a crowd. or theyre just cosplayers. idols got big here and now everyone thinks they can cash in on this bastardized version of the phenomenon. cherry wallflower is old and overweight btw so of course shes out of touch with what men want.

>>10966172
>what men want
horrible take. this isn't japan. some active leader could absolutely make an entire kaigai idol scene without men. but that entrepreneur would have to be charismatic fit and beautiful, because that's what women want not men.

>>10966172
whole last sentence sounds like you're projecting lmfao im sure you're fat and a neckbeard if you think kaigai idols need to appeal to straight men in america

>>10966183
>>10966181
naive body-positive they/thems. the biggest spenders are men. it sucks but its true and like it or not, entertainers need to be pretty or have everything else going for them to gain an audience. fat girls who think theyre boys that can barely sing without huffing and puffing arent appealing to other girls either. im tired of watching anime tard talent shows.

>>10966184
this stupidity was already disproven 40 years ago. not a single straight man goes to taylor swift concerts alone. straight men are not going to kpop concerts.

>>10966187
guess what? those people are both attractive and talented. we are also talking about idols. dont play dumb lol the proof is in the numbers. kaigai idol turnout isnt as big as something like vtuber turnout because scrotes want to beat their meat.

>>10966188
your argument is that they have to appeal to men, that has nothing to do with why kaigai's are unpopular.
none of those vtubers are conventionally attractive. most of them are also fat short lgbts. so your second argument is also irrelevant.

>>10966189
are u stupid enough to believe they aren’t jorkin it to the underaged anime girls vtubers turn themselves into?
my argument is that as of right now, most most North American idols are ugly and untalented. maybe ur not smart enough to put 2 and 2 together, but some of us are.

>>10966128
How do you fuck this up unless intentional

>>10966168
>>10966171
Then again, this specific event Cherry’s hosting is free to attend, so the audience really isn’t losing anything if they live nearby or are watching it online. They can still support the venue by grabbing a drink, and possibly the portion of those sales might go to the performers. If more small local events like this popped up, it’d make a lot more sense compared to big conventions where performers barely get compensated or spend hundreds out of pocket, practically getting nothing financially in return. With standalone events like these, the overall investment is way lower when you factor in location proximity and lodging too.

>>10966184
Also, since we are forgetting that this is an American event, there is a whole chunk of the audience that genuinely do not care about body size the way everyone’s arguing about. There are some folks out there who prefer thicker women and this is pretty prominent. In America, mainstream media constantly glorifies having a fat ass and it's not like Japan where their body standards are more rigid. Some bigger men themselves probably don't care about that and might even find it relatable.

So while everyone’s busy body-shaming, somehow people keep missing the main thing: the music. One of the performers in the lineup is a vocal coach, and regardless of their size, at least >>10966009 won’t have their ears wrecked listening to them. As long as it's entertaining and the music is good, what else is there to complain about?

>>10966207
Do southerners really think that anyone wants to support a morbidly obese idol? That's not called support, that's called enabling. I would even call it assisted suicide and I wish it was illegal.

>>10966191
Who knows? It was incredibly embarrassing after Holmat staff made a big deal about how they wanted the people performing in the idolfest so basically act like Sally wasn't there so "other idols of her caliber will continue to want to come" yet they couldn't even get someone on stage to encourage the audience to stay with the technical difficulties. I wouldn't be surprised if JP guests ended up side eying holmat in the future lol

>>10966251
Fucking up a big names performance is definitely one way to make sure future big names avoid your event

>>10966251
I wasn’t at Holmat can I have context for what happened ?

>>10966250
Enjoying a performance doesn’t mean you endorse every aspect of a performer’s life or condone unhealthy choices. Some may even pursue idoling as a way to stay active, since preparing for and performing in shows require a significant amount of energy. If they aren’t promoting obesity, centering their identity around weight, or focusing on themes like diet culture (like Chubbiness from Avex), then going on stage isn't enabling them to maintain their current or gain more of it. On the other hand, if they’re surrounded by friends or peers who feed their ego and encourage unhealthy habits, THEN your point would be fair in calling it enabling.

Point taken, would you rather they isolate themselves, live sedentary lives, and abandon creative passions altogether? And more importantly, have you actually taken the time to listen to them sing?

Shaming or condemning someone solely for their weight can be just as harmful and can even contribute to the very outcomes (like assisted suicide) that you claim to oppose. It’s possible to advocate for healthier lifestyles and raise awareness about obesity without denying people the chance to pursue their goals. Moreover, you know what else is illegal? Targeted harassment—which happens far too often in this community. If that pressure drove someone to consider suicide, who do you think would bear the responsibility?

Since you have strong feelings about this, maybe consider channeling them into something productive. You could start a support group for idols to discuss health, easy exercise routines, or share nutritious recipes that promote balance rather than restriction or disordered eating. If that’s more effort than you’re willing to give, at least seek another way to contribute to real change here.

>>10966266
maintain their current weight*

>>10966266
finally someone with a brain here. all this energy into hating when you could be going outside and touching grass but this is 4chan what am i talking about

>>10966266
Yes, it does, because you pay money into it. And they sell chekis and merch. Ultimately they are also doing this for attention or recognition if not strictly monetary gain.
Also showing up to an event and enjoying it and then leaving to make sure it is unprofitable is as rude as not tipping.
>Shaming or condemning someone solely for their weight can be just as harmful
Your own health is your responsibility, not mine. I am not responsible to get you to care about yourself. You already know what is right, and you are the one trying to encourage poor behavior from others. If any of you were even inkling to lose weight you would get the advice you need.
I spend my time supporting idols that care about themself because that means they can care about others.
>>10966271
You're the ones that haven't left your closed off comfort space and seen the actual world. If you did you wouldn't feel so proud, calling morbid obesity "thicker women"

>>10966266
thats a lot of words for ‘i have no self control or accountability’’ reality is harsh but being in denial about what makes a star a star wont get u anywhere.

>>10966279
>If you did you wouldn't feel so proud, calling morbid obesity "thicker

you're projecting this onto me no where did i ever say that shit. you people are just insufferable when it comes to fat people how about you say it to their face anon

>>10966281
You literally just agreed with the person who did. Next time read the conversation before signing your name off.
Also there are plenty of fat girls at a healthy weight posted about here that get no pushback. Don't try to lump yourself in with them.

>>10966279
>Also showing up to an event and enjoying it and then leaving to make sure it is unprofitable is as rude as not tipping.

Not really. If an event is free or included with a badge, simply showing up still matters—your attendance adds to the headcount, which organizers can use when reporting turnout or planning future events. Cheering in person or engaging online costs nothing, yet it still boosts visibility and morale. Support doesn't always need to be financial; sometimes, it can be as simple as showing someone you care.

>Your own health is your responsibility, not mine. I am not responsible to get you to care about yourself.

Correct, you're right that everyone is ultimately responsible for their own health, but we’re also accountable for the energy we put into the world. It’s entirely possible to recognize the real risks of obesity while still showing compassion for the person behind it. Dehumanizing someone dealing with a health issue isn’t going to suddenly inspire them to improve, it will only make things worse. They face that struggle every day, and most of the time, their own thoughts already echo the same shame they’ve heard from others just like you.

I’m not a doctor, but it’s worth remembering that you never know what someone’s dealing with. For example, issues like hyperthyroidism, which causes the thyroid to produce too much hormone, can throw off metabolism and energy levels, making it hard to manage weight even with effort. That’s why telling someone to “just lose weight” oversimplifies what could be a much more complicated situation.

>>10966279
>I spend my time supporting idols that care about themself because that means they can care about others.

So why not take a moment to look at things with a little more empathy? Just because someone struggles with things like weight, addiction, or self-harm doesn’t mean they don’t care about others. Plenty folks fight their own battles while still being good-hearted.

>You're the ones that haven't left your closed off comfort space and seen the actual world.

The world can be cold and unforgiving, but it’s also full of nuance. Kindness still exists, even in the smallest ways. We don’t have to add to that harshness by passing on the same pain that was once directed at us.

I’d argue that posting here anonymously is a kind of comfort space for you, isn’t it? It’s rather easy to vent frustrations anonymously when you don’t have to attach your identity to them. It takes much more courage to bring those concerns about health or standards directly to Kaigai Idol organizers and have an open conversation with them. That said, did you ever actually reach out to Cherry or any other organizer about it? It would make more of a difference out there than it would in here.

>If you did you wouldn't feel so proud, calling morbid obesity "thicker women"

To clarify, I was talking about American culture as an example, using celebs like Meghan Trainor or Nicki Minaj who promote messages about embracing “thick” body types. Not saying I agree with it—just pointing out that in the U.S., body acceptance tends to be more common, and people have different ideas compared to other countries like Japan. I know there’s a big difference between being overweight and being morbidly obese but again, shaming someone over it isn’t going to fix anything.

Using your own message of self-care as an example, if they approached their idol journey as motivation to live healthier and stay active, would that make you reconsider supporting them?

>>10966286
Glandular problems do not cause morbid obesity. It can increase your weight to an unhealthy amount but morbid obesity is almost entirely a choice. Very few people have rampant uncontrollable weight gain.
Obesity is a cultural problem, and you all are complacent with it which is why it's prevalent in certain areas more so than others. You are also acting like an enabler and confusing that action with kindness. There is nothing wrong with discipline. Telling people you don't want to support them in their self harm isn't dehumanizing either.
>>10966287
Megan trainor and nicki minaj are both unhealthy ozempic abusers that do not give a single shit about their fans. You probably meant lizzo who admits that attaining a proper weight solved many of her mental health issues. She is no longer morbidly obese.
None of those morbidly obese idols are "accepted" in the US. Maybe in Orlando Florida, but not the US and certainly not with doctors.
>if they approached their idol journey as motivation to live healthier and stay active, would that make you reconsider supporting them?
If they wanted to document significant weight loss and then get on stage as a testament, yes. Otherwise no. I don't think being on stage is helpful. You don't need body confidence to lose weight, at most you need assistance, and you will find that at a gym, not a boba shop.

>>10964959
oh you fucking spergs is it so hard to post your idol's asses? ffs, you gossiping spergs, I swear

>>10966288
you sound fat yourself. it's always fat people who care the most about other people's weight. naturally skinny people never pay attention to other people's weight because they never had to pay attention to their own.

I'm sure everyone in that idol's life wants her to get healthy. I'm sure she does too. We don't know what steps she's taking.

She's a good singer and seems like a nice person. It's easy to support someone's music while also hoping they get healthier. easy peasy.

kpop redditor is a morbid obesity apologist. on brand.

>>10966296
I love how fast you replied to me baby. Up waiting for me? I've been waiting for you to call me that loving pet name. Now how quickly can we make this go from enemies to lovers?

>>10966288
There’s a difference between discipline and shaming others. Your statement that audience members support obesity just by watching came off as the latter. Had you opened by addressing the health concerns linked to obesity, explaining your stance more clearly, and doing so civilly rather than generalizing the audience, this discussion likely wouldn’t have taken this turn. You have every right not to support an idol you’re not a fan of. However, if you start demeaning someone over their body, it’s no longer just about withdrawing support; it edges into harassment, which hope you aren't a perpetrator of.

Still, you never answered my question. Did you take this concern directly to the event organizers? Because, for the third and final time, discussing it here won’t do much to change the outcome.

I’m not claiming that the artists I mentioned, like Meghan Trainor, Nicki Minaj, or Chubbiness, are the greatest role models. We can tell from their lyrics and message alone that they’re not, regardless of their personal backgrounds. So even if I don’t personally like them and I’m opposed to the use of Ozempic, they are examples of what those figures represent and how they reflect the culture around them.

Like >>10966295 said >It's easy to support someone's music while also hoping they get healthier.

If they’re accepted in Florida, then they’re accepted in the broader U.S. context, so I don’t understand your argument, considering your initial question generalized southerners in the first place. We don’t need to resort to condemning people simply for existing and treating others with basic respect isn’t coddling or enabling. It would only be that if I were actively encouraging their bad habits, which I’m not.

And lastly, a boba shop is simply the setting for their performance; if the idol were practicing dance instead, then a gym or studio would take its place in that context.

>>10966294
Unfortunately most people who post here are idols and not actually fans, so discussions inevitably devolves into insane discursive discussions about whether or not it's okay to be fat and an idol. (Which it always has been, btw.)

To get back on topic: what was your favorite performance you saw this year, everyone?

>>10966310
getting to see non sweet was my highlight of the year! same with holmats idolfes, minus the cosidols i was yawning during them

>>10966310
The moid who said watching a fat idol is sane thing as assisting their suicide is not an idol themselves

>>10966316
they really need to make them separate fests at this point

>>10966334
they do its so annoying im here to see idols show off their art and talent not watch people in shitty amazon costumes look a fucking mess on stage

>>10966316
maid age at anime weekend Atlanta was my favorite!

Berry posted a rant on Instagram talking about how the TikTok creator fund is screwing her over. As predicted, her ragebait videos were paying her rent, but those same videos are only making her a collective twenty bucks now. She continues to claim that she cannot work a normal job. Maybe Berry's reign of terror is finally coming to an end if TikTok isn't worth it anymore.
Is this a sign that idoling might not be a full-time gig anymore? If idols can't make enough at shows to support themselves, even ones as big as Berry, what do we think this means for the community?

>>10966350
maybe if himichuu had content planned for their debut more people would care. its hard to care about her when all she does is content farm on tiktok lol

>>10966350
i want to support her so bad but every time she posts these types of videos i just want to block her lmao. she promised to stop posting these once she was "under management" but obviously that didn't happen

>>10966350
I dunno why people think idoling is a full time job. it's extremely niche and even in japan where it's (more) popular, these girls are working side jobs to pay the bills. Just like with anything creative, the top 5% make that kind of money but the other 95% don't.

>>10966353
posing as an idol is just a front for her true passion of being a vapid influencer. deep down she probably knows she’s too mediocre and tiktok is easy. too bad the hype is usually short lived and she has nothing else to jump off of. anon that predicted she would eventually fade into obscurity was on to something.

>>10966355
there's tens of thousands of idols in japan, that's not even including the ones that auditoned and failed or already quit. maybe a hundred or so are successful and made a career out of it.
you're missing a few zeroes and a decimal on that number.

>>10966350
idols can still do stuff while working a regular job. many musicians do the same which still doing gigs. the idea of any creative doing creative work full time is rare and unrealistic these days. it's also perfectly understandable by fans. idols that try to do this full time or hide that they have a real job is something I've never understood. It's like they're trying to look like they have some status of legitimacy.

>>10966362
that might have been me who predicted that. I think the only way you can last and be relevant doing this stuff is if you genuinely like the creative aspects of idol, even if it doesn't reward you monetarily or attention-wise, and you have a clear artistic direction and can reinvent yourself every now and then in a way that makes sense and still feels genuine. idols in america have to lean more on the artist side anyway since americans typically dislike overly produced things (as it feels inauthentic) and most idols have no choice but to lead their creative projects anyway.

Imagine being a fat kaigai idol and hating on Berry. You're basically a hypocritical race traitor.

>>10966374
you'd probably have more fun going on fetlife and finding fat people with a degradation kink to talk to honey. we all know you can't name a single kaigai idol song that you enjoy. you just enjoy using this community as your punching bag because there aren't enough moids to troll you back. your interractions on here are the most communication you can get with females. no one is even truly hating on berry. you're just soft and sensitive.

>>10966374
you really just say the most random shit ever lol

>>10966018
Don’t even want this shit in the pit either, go to a live in Japan no one does this crap

They can go make their crappy off sync recording elsewhere lol

>>10966392
>go to a live in Japan no one does this crap
not sure which lives you go to in japan but most i go to have people doing wota; could just be the groups you're seeing or the venues.

>>10966396
Yep. it depends on the venue rules and the specific group. I've been to a show where not a single person even had penlights. People did lifts like crazy though and the crowd was rough.

>>10966392
>crappy off sync recording
kek, they are always off sync
i really do wonder how many takes they do

I really need to know who is running idle rage. The screen shot apple phone notes schedule for a paid ticket event is really funny to me and not a cute look professionally

>>10966422
a man is in charge, what do you expect?

>>10966422
you have autism and that's not a thing normal people going to events care about. also it's quite common with low budget idol groups in japan. you even order tickets through google forms and dms.

>>10966350
I think it's interesting how since this post, Berry has started talking about Sorb3t again. Guess she really needs that rent money.
She keeps going on and on about not being able to work a normal job, but I don't understand why she doesn't go for remote work. I also don't know how she is claiming that she got regularly doxxed and harassed. That sort of thing only happens when there's a centralized location for people to talk shit, but the only place people talk shit about her is here. Something's not adding up.

>>10966444
I'm gonna guess she didn't go to college and lacks professional experience to make much of a career for herself so she might have been trying to do customer facing service jobs. She could try literally anything else. I doubt the normies hiring her would care.

>>10966444
its cause people are talking about sorb3t again on twitter but it is the only thing that gives her attention outside her fanbase

I don't understand how Berry can't just keep shit professional on her pages. You don't need to bloviate how you feel about things. She would seriously benefit from seeing a therapist especially since she's talking about having trauma from the events of Sorb3t.
Another thing is how she said she can't work a normal job. Because she got TikTok famous years ago? I don't know anyone who actually cares anymore, who are these mystery people who attack her? She's so comfortable with airing out her own dirty laundry all the time, how come she doesn't show these threats or messages she gets and sees online?
Like >>10966444 said, I get the job markets tough but she has a really good resume and could totally get a remote job or a job in an office or something that isn't customer facing. I can't believe someone who makes their entire rent and bills off of TikTok living in CALIFORNIA is this upset. This all ultimately boils down to get a job and get therapy, for real.

>>10966454
>who are these mystery people who attack her?
>attacking her on an anonymous platform
To also be fair, employers now do social media and alias checks on future employees. Seeing her have negative attention from social media is a risk of harassment toward employers, even if it’s not a customer facing position. This is the world cancel culture has created. You wouldn’t know that if you spent all day on here instead of outside at a real job.
>t. HR Hiring Position

>>10966456
I've been in the workforce longer than you've probably been alive. Of course a vulture like you that works in HR would be pissy about someone having negative attention from TikTok years ago. Tell me you're incapable of protecting your employees without telling me.

>>10966470
That child probably got their first big boy job at an entry level position lol

gotta respect the other members of himichuu for taking the risk.

>>10966484
i don’t. they’re definitely just as clout hungry as her and let’s be real, lolcows with worse digital footprints have found employment. all of this just proves her true passion is tiktok. doing the bare minimum as an idol while content farming in japan on trips funded by autists. the idol shtick will stop when the money dries up and she’ll move on to the next grift.

>>10966486
Real Berry fans remember she started out as a cosplayer, then became an OF girl, then became a Twitch streamer, and now she's an idol TikToker. She'll move on eventually.

>>10966486
the other members seem pretty chill though. I like berry in a group dynamic more than solo.

>>10966486
ive been following shoyun for a while and she is one of the most chill people in the idol scene, the other two seem to be just happy singing and performing and dont seem to be hungry for attention.
Going into a group with Berry must have been hard because a lot of people know her as that Sorb3t girl and people could have easily compared himichuu with Sorbet

>>10966500
they are asian, so they don't need to prove themselves so hard. asian kaigai idols are more chill or at least truly focus on hard work over clout chasing.

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new event announced for my florida people. seems like a fun event i like that its not just idols.

>>10966507
huh explains why nocturna isnt at the later feb event. might go to this over bubble pop since its actual music. genuinely shocked how busy they are since theyre less than a year old jfc

>>10966516
yea ill be at this instead of bubblepop. i can't stand jubesy as well so lol

im glad nocturna is busy its been a minute since we've had a good new act in fl

I just don't buy that there are Nocturna fans outside of the members themselves. That first song was atrocious, none of the costumes fit the whales they put them on, and all they did at Metrocon was gossip and bitch about the other acts. An event with Nocturna and Cherry Wallflower in the same place is like a brightly colored frog that tells you it's venomous.

>>10966518
their first song was fine mixing issues aside I've heard worse. they have potential people follow them for that. who gaf if they were gossiping as if other acts dont do that at convention shows lol

>>10966518
> all they did at Metrocon was gossip and bitch about the other acts
So this is a great tell that OP is someone that holds personal issues with a member/members of Nocturna, let’s be real, no one here gives a shit about Metrofest nor did anyone know who the hell they were up until Holiday Matsuri. Get off this forum and figure your own shit out until you can come back with something interesting or useful to the rest of the conversation.

>>10966507
So is cherry finally back from larping as a korean?

>>10966518
bro we get that you have personal beef with the members of the group. no one gives a flying fuck abt metrofest and no one wants to hear you cry about it either. touch grass and take a shower jesus

>>10966521
i guess so lol

>>10966520
>>10966522
I made that up but thanks for taking the bait.
>>10966519
Upon a relisten, it's still bad to me, but this comment did make me give it another try. I guess I'm open to seeing what else they release.

>>10966540
Nah. You should commit to the bit like a real troll. You suddenly softened up for what?

>>10966540
> I made that up but thanks for taking the bait.
sounds like a jealous "idol" is mad another group is getting popular and needs to come on 4chan to start drama and is back peddling after the thread doesn't care! womp womp get a job retard

>>10966540
> I made that up but thanks for taking the bait.
Is OP underage? This shit reads like a 12 year old that still has skid marks for brains.

>>10966518
>An event with Nocturna and Cherry Wallflower in the same place is like a brightly colored frog that tells you it's venomous.

There is no way these people can have that much power over you.

Very rarely is there anyone in this community who is truly a terrorist. If they were, they wouldn't be able to last very long doing this without getting cancelled.

if i was anon id kill myself for getting jumped like that

>>10966540
Girl, if you hate them that bad and they have that much power over you, you should *genuinely* seek psychological help instead of crying on 4chan abt it

safe to assume people like nocturna ok wow moving on ???

yea can we plz move on from that drama obsessed schizo and talk about something of substance

am i overthinking it or is cherie’s new song a subtle dig at vivariia after finding out they were gossiping about her on ig? doesnt really matter either way but berry could take a few notes and handle haters tactfully instead of bitching all the time…

>>10966559
Anyone going to ALA?

>>10966560
highly doubt cherie ife even knows who they are lol

>>10966562
read the previous thread. she caught them becuz some cosplayer that only had connections to viveriia tried to join in on the bullying there. it was pretty obvious they were self posting here too cuz virtually nobody gives a shit about them.

i keep seeing posts on socials from idols supposedly in some magfest idol show, is there any actual information on that somewhere or are we expected to comb through socials to know who's performing?

>>10966565
they've all been sharing the lineup post...

Pan Ranger's Twitter got suspended lol. Does anyone know what happened?

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>>10966565
since you dont want to do a simple twitter search I'll help you

>>10966638
The text on this is awful I don't even want to read it

>>10966638
the way i only know 3 of these people is interesting

>>10966571
>>10966638
not my fault that they waited until 2 days before the event to post this, but yeah i shouldve just checked again. thanks

absolute aidol is threatening to release music this year...

>>10966561
Yes. They have a better lineup than Magfest, smaller but better

i attended the
>"So You Want to Start an Idol Group?"
workshop at ALA and the consisted mostly of Love Live dance cover people

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I need me my whatagay humiliation rituals footage

>>10966769
just admit you're jealous that they have fun and you're too self-conscious

>>10966770
rofl

>>10966771
they actually do roll on the floor laughing
meanwhile all you can do is just type that out on your phone with a cracked screen that you're staring at with no emotion in your dark bedroom alone

>>10966775
it sure is dark
>for me
it could be worse though, I could be a whatagay, imagine that, why do you take it so personally, retard? what's wrong with laughing at people? that's what the internet is for if it fun and cool for you it's ok, for me its something to enjoy for the cringe-factor, sue me

>>10966776
I don't even HAVE to call you a retard for it to be clear that the real one is you.

so who wants to tell us how ala went for us brokies who couldn't go?

>>10966927
more idol focused programming than last year, there was even stuff to do outside the con like the wota show and guerrilla lives. showcase was solid for the most part. buppan was a mess

how does someone become relevant in this community? it’s almost laughable how hard i try to get my name out there, i have songs, choreo, lives, original concepts and more yet it only seems like two people locally and my friends care. I’m not asking to become like berry or PAIDA, rather just someone that gets told good job or feels desirable to be in the live spaces im at. it makes me so mad seeing ugly fat girls squished like sausage packed into their costumes or inbred white freaks who can’t even do eyelashes or make up get recognition for less then mediocrity. I wanna give up but i also wanna keep pushing to be the perfect idol, 4chan please tell me what to do

>>10966933
People can probably sense your selfish attitude and are repelled. Work on fixing your personality and focus on the fans you have. Being an idol is more about your nonforced charisma and interactions with fans than anything else, and that's why 'ugly mediocre freaks' get more recognition than you

>>10966933
be cute and be good at singing. promote yourself but don't be obnoxious like absolute aidol. you're not going to get anything with that attitude though, people can tell if you're being phony nice to people. stop lurking here and better yourself and most importantly, stop being a cunt. put out negative and it will come right back

>>10966933
well you're posting here and saying shit like
>seeing ugly fat girls squished like sausage packed into their costumes or inbred white freaks who can’t even do eyelashes or make up get recognition
and i don't think viewing your peers in that light so unabashedly will get you to "perfect idol" status. other idols are your comrades, not your enemy.

>>10966932
>>10966927
buppan is always a mess because they overlap with the autograph tables so they have to wait until the autograph lines are done and theres like 1.5 hours until the venue closes
its always hard because you always have some undecisive autist who don't know what to pick when they are in the front

>>10966933
do you even enjoy the craft behind idol?

the singing, the costume design, the dancing, the branding design, filming and editing videos, writing music, releasing songs

it's frustrating when you see others succeed who you think don't deserve it, but I promise you when you fall in love with the craft and treat it like an artform/vehicle for self expression, you will feel better and have better results.

>>10966933
people KNOW you feel that way, nonnie. you sound super entitled and you're entirely missing the point. idols that are a pleasure to watch, be around, and interact with are the ones that succeed. it doesn't matter how many lives, original concepts, or songs you have out there. you're impersonable as fuck. if people would rather watch said "ugly fat girls" or "inbred white freaks" over you, you need to re-evaluate what makes this the case.
aside from that, don't focus on relevancy. your bitterness and competitiveness are making you dislike the craft entirely which people can smell on you like a stank.
tl;dr give up

>>10966933
Kaigai idol is a retarded thing to become popular in in the first place. The easiest way is just to be hot or join an existing group. Thirst-trap dudes in dms and offer unique rewards for people who share your photos/stories/etc.

Dont make it about yourself, make it about the audience.

>>10966934
>>10966936
>>10966938
>>10966947
>>10966973
imagine thinking you can give advice when everything they said is true and there's no rhyme or reason to popularity within the kaigai community.
in fact being obnoxious and pandering to the autists that make up a big portion of event attendees is a better strategy than doing the correct thing. being fat and terrible is more approachable and thus more desirable here.
and if you even manage to get remotely noticed, a bunch of lazy jealous losers will start hating on you like it's their part time job, negating any enjoyment.
the only advice should be try to get popular outside the kaigai idol community, like the popular idols have done.

>Hamu Cotton
always has a huge following, a little too much dancing and not enough signing for my taste
>Oyasumimi
really good duo, especially for a rookie group, i have no doubht they will be a top tier group this year
>XFLO
100% should have been in the cosplay masquerade
>MoeAge
Top tier kaigai idol group, one of the few groups that knows what they are doing
>himichuu
really good soloists that need to practice more together to refine their performances. Amanda and Shoyun have god tier vocals.
i like Berry in a group, its harder to see her flaws when shes in her group.

>>10966933
as an otaku who drops cash in these events i would say ?>make friends with people
>maybe try to start a group instead of a soloist
>pick songs that the crowd would like
>sing even if your singing is just subpar, i don't support idols that don't sing and a few friends dont consider them as idols

>>10966988
They asked for advice, literally asked for it. We gave advice. You don't sound like you're someone successful either.
The bare minimum is be an enjoyable or appealing person. The bar is in hell and you're both still bitching about it lmao

>>10966988
>being fat and terrible

as if there wasn't a huge conversation earlier about how no one likes fat overweight idols

at least your last sentence I can agree with.

anyone seen arcane maid cafe's idol group idol nova? seems like drew kim ruined his reputation too much in the us idol / cosplayer scene so now hes trying to manipulate little chinese girls instead

>>10967089
Calling them little when they're all adults and average adult height is obviously racist. Funny how the hate accusations only pertains to you being called fat.

yall talk abt fat people more than idols here jesus

>>10966265
After the local idols & cos idols performed, sally was supposed to perform. There was a small break between paida and sally, but they did not announce it and the screen changed to the holmat logo--something conventions normally do when the show is over. The kaigai idols who had been on stage had to yell out to the crowd not to leave, with no mics, instead of an announcer.

Any advice on how to not sperg out in front of your faves? I'm so worried I made one of my favourite groups uncomfortable at holiday matsuri but my brain short circuited and i had no idea what to talk about. I didnt say anything weird, just "i love you guys so much" a bunch. How do you avoid getting starstruck when they are all so cute and talented?

>>10967104
They're normal people who piss and shit the same like everyone else.

>>10967103
It's so funny how holiday matsuri's idol fest once was considered THE place to be and now it's become pretty basic aside from the special guests they manage to pull, and they still mess that up. The stages have always been inconsistent too. Some years it looks amazing while other years it doesn't look special at all. Lack of consistency, decent curation, and it's becoming a backburner event for the con.

>>10967104
I doubt anonymous advice helps when you sound like you have terminal clinical anxiety. Maybe therapy, or getting a job.
i'm honestly curious who you are talking about though. Because I see even stink breath autists easily strike up conversations with the most popular idols.

Also if an idol can't fill in the dead time with their own contrived niceties while you sperg out then they're a trash idol.

>>10967104
guarantee they won't remember the interaction for the future unless you smell really bad or something. plus, most idols are autistic as fuck too so you shouldn't feel that bad

>>10967114
each event is only like a couple dozen fans max and nearly all of them are regulars. it's extremely easy to remember everyone new. in japan most of the time they'll remember me even 8 months later after a first time meeting despite having more than a hundred fans.

>>10967117
As an idol, I guarantee we aren’t thinking about those interactions unless the person is particularly weird or creepy. I remember names of fans from event to event sure, but I don’t remember exactly what they said the last time we met or if they stared at me too long or stumbled over their words. I probably did the same thing.

>>10967117
well it helps that you're a gaijin.

why is idol nova not even part of the idol stage at impulse, as if arcane and asayoru are feuding or something since they're responsible for the event. pretty sure kiki is in that new group and also performing at the idol stage.
also isn't asayoru's idol group called moe age, but they're both listed on the schedule. why do they need to make things confusing.
anyway i think i'm just going on sunday since it has the better groups. and where the hell is hamu?

>>10967121
sometimes certain idols don't appear on certain lineups because of this thing called "personal scheduling conflict"

>>10967122
that has nothing to do with any of the things i mentioned.

>>10967121

it doesn't take too many braincells to see that both parties do not want to actually be a part of each other's programming without just completely not showing up at an event. both groups have a long history of disliking each other.

>>10967123
you asked where's hamu

>>10967121
Asayoru is in charge of Star Garden and they are beefing with Arcane Maid Cafe. Its actually pretty interesting how both parties have connections and dirt on eachother

>>10967132
I've only heard how asayoru's side, but what's arcane's side?

I'm gonna take it with a grain of salt tho

>>10967104
Who are you talking about?? No one at Holmat was good enough to worry about being perceived by. They all need to worry about themselves and fixing the on stage issues rather than someone liking them to much or not

>>10967132
>>10967125
Asayoru seems to beef with everyone that tries to work alongside them instead of underneath them. They can't even just let the idols themselves be a part?
Arcane seems more professional despite all the shit talking they got in regards to their professionalism. The only thing they really did wrong was selling ai photos that one time, but they're all east asian so that's just more of a cultural problem.

>>10967140
arcane looks cute but asayoru blows them out of the water when it comes to maid personalities, costumes, and aesthetics. seems like there's way more passion and fun going on at asayoru. even if there's some drama, dirt, or tea, asayoru as a product is just way better.

Asayoru has the funds and knows what to do in the idol scene. Its also the biggest feeder when it comes to idol programs. I really doubt anyone can topple them.

>The only one that comes close with idol programming in SoCal is Mikotan with Maid Academy Cafe, but that seems more like child's play.
>Arcane Maid Cafe is going to try to expand and try to reach out more with Idol Nova.
>Dreamland Maid Cafe is debuting You&Me but its hard to say where its going to go

>>10967140
Nice self report, Drew

Catching on this idol stuff a little late don’t you think?

>>10967155
it's so obvious when long time con guys start seeing idol is a thing and are trying to jump on it

>>10967140
Professionalism huh... If you were in this scene for long, you would definitely know what Arcane did ....
Arcane is putting a thick skin and trying to play innocent now since they can't make any real money or influence by doing "their way"
Every individuals is afraid of exposing Arcane since Arcane do dirty work behind the back to attack them
Asayoru is the only one who is not afraid to expose them and you call that "beef"

>>10967159
I know what you claim arcane did. I also know what you do. You spend your life spreading your jealous vile toxic waste about idols and specifically come here to do it vaguely anonymously. .You are worse than anything arcane has done. The fact you resort to vague attacks without specifics because then you'd have to attempt to defend them is all anyone needs to know.
>>10967155
I'm clearly not associated with either group.

I think it's crazy how many people forgot or don't know the shitty things Drew has done in the con scene. it's not just "beef" between maid cafes it goes deeper than that and he's been an issue for over 10 years now but people will keep turning a blind eye for clout and $$$
Genuinely concerned for the new girls in his idol group

>>10967175
>More vague bs
Because actually typing out the things will make you sound like a terminally online flag personality tween.

>>10967175
Can someone give the tl;dr on this guy and whatever goofy beef is happening between these two groups?

Arcane/ drew kim:
- sells ai art and still uses ai art regularly
- Stole art
- Got banned from Anime Impulse for calling the old creator the t-slur
- banned from many local cons for trespassing and harassment
- Mistreated his entire staff (maids & kitchen) until they all left (no pay, didnt allow them to be friends, verbally abusive) many ex arcane maids are now in asayoru and dreamland
- Groomed the current head maid and uses her as a figurehead, claiming to be a woman-owned establishment
- Generally ableist but this is 4chan so who cares i guess
- Sends threats to ex employees until one moved out of state
- Sends threats to ex customers
- Sends bots to bomb Asayoru’s reviews, take down their instagram accounts
- Gave people food poisoning with unwashed rice pots in ALA
Compiled these from old 4chan posts & ex arcane maid instagram stories. Now someone tell me what Asayoru did

>>10967202
>stole art
got permission to use art and artist changed their mind
>Got banned from Anime Impulse for calling the old creator the t-slur
clearly not banned from Anime Impulse.
>banned from many local cons for trespassing and harassment
banned from open street fair in a public community college after serial harassers recognized them and made a stink
>Mistreated his entire staff (maids & kitchen) until they all left
there are still several maids working there that started from the beginning.
>Groomed
incel headcanon
>Sends threats
mentally ill ex employees that tried to get revenge on the company
a common theme amongst maids
>Gave people food poisoning with unwashed rice pots in ALA
unwashed rice...
>tell me what Asayoru did
if you want to harass and tear someone down why not pick on the lazy slobs and cosplayers? there's a couple teetering on the edge and a little nudge will send them spiraling.
the only thing to know about asayoru is don't invest yourself in their plans.

its nice to see Sae and Drew in thsi thread
Now before anyone starts to bitch about why are we talking about Maid Cafes let me try to explain the situation thats going down here in SoCal

>Asayoru Maid Cafe
Has three idol groups now
Moe Age, Oyasumimi, and Strawberry Sunday

>Arcane Maid Cafe
Just debuted their idol group Idol Nova

>DreamLand Maid Cafe
Officially just debuted their idol Group "You&Me"
I say officially because they have/had maids that are part of the idol scene
Daiz-E, Irodori Idols, SuperMelody, Mochi, Bampi,

>>10967208
idol nova is still "predebut"
i'l go see them today, but i'm pretty sure they're just doing cover songs

>>10967208
Wait, Oyasumimi and Strawberry Sunday are both sponsored/helped by a big maid cafe? That's a little disappointing, I thought they were indie like everyone else.

>>10967206
Git Gud at reading anon, it says “rice pots.”
They didn’t wash their pots after a convention and let it ferment in there until the next.

>>10967216
asayoru is not a corporate record label. anyone not signed to a corporate record label is considered indie/independent. asayoru's idol group is considered indie too. if strawberry sunday was NOT indie, they would have new costumes by now and high quality original music.

begging you all to understand music culture holy shit.

>>10967228
They're not indie musicians because they're not under a record label but they have an organizer/management that encompasses an entire LLC/company. They're not building themselves up by themselves, they're propped up by their company.

>>10967229
that's good. for idol to grow and become more legit in america, it's impossible if everyone is fending for themselves. people building businesses and actual structure is good.

>propped up by a company
that is doing heavy lifting. said company hasn't even given them proper costumes or original music yet. the maids work for asayoru, asayoru gives them chances to perform and connect wirh fans, but that barely means anything in comparison to the idea you have that they are under management and SPONSORED by the cafe.

I was surprised by how many photographers Idol Nova had. Even the cosplay photographers were taking photos, my guess is that they asked for favors. Didn't see Drew so im guessing he is still banned?

>>10967227
omg the precious *checks notes* enameled steel. i hope they called in a professional hazmat team for *checks notes again* aspergillus before cooking their next batch of *checks notes* unwashed rice...

Anyway…anyone go to Impulse Star Garden thing? How was it? Couldn’t go because stuck working all weekend

Star Garden is ahead of its time. Where this scene is a lot less niche and the performers are a lot better.

>>10967216
this post stinks of canadian redditor. love the alternate reality where having a lob is cronyism.
also strawberry sunday existed before asayoru and they started out as cringe kpop cosplay dancers. just like you.
>>10967242
>cosplay photogs taking free pictures of a cosplayer is an inside job
>if i didn't personally see it then it doesn't exist.
take your meds.
>>10967254
it ran late both days. the taiwanese were the best group but unsurprisingly got ignored for maids. there was more live singing, but still too much cosplay dancing. the vtumor fans don't show up when vtumors aren't involved which is a significant profit loss.
>>10967257
idol party is the same price, there's no cosplayers, there's no vtubers, there's no stinky chinese pushing their way past you in a crowded traffic jam, its the same acts that are worth seeing, it's indoors, and you get a complimentary drink.

>>10967258
there we a delay but not as bad as the shit show from USIF, they should cut out some of the cosplay performers and divide that time into rest breaks
i really find it funny how ashes showed up in vtumor form to support his wotagays

>>10967259
it's also funny how the vtuber version of ashes has the same idol outfit they wore irl and all together resembles flesh ashes but is skinny.

>>10967141
no shit arcane is subpar drew only uses it to fulfill his maid harem fantasy cuz he's a retard chud

>>10967268
he may be a perverted retarded chud but he has an eye for talent. A few of the former arcane maids are well now well known cosplayers or idols

i hope cherie ife starts writing songs for other idols cuz its just hit after hit with her ((inb4 some retard claims im cherie selfposting))

>>10967277
cherie ife is a sensitive topic because that triggers a lot of people because
A. Shes attractive
B. She makes good music
c. Shes attractive

>>10967216
Sae brought it up last night that they are just associates and not really their managing boss when it comes to idol stuff

>>10967278
skill issue. in a scene that seems to thrive on corny, poorly produced music im glad shes sticking around.

>>10967275
>well known
very subjective and inflated by drew, but ok

>>10967278
she used to be so much prettier honestly. her current makeup, procedures and filters are making her look uncanny. still better looking than many of those fat idols or cosplayers, but if she keeps goint, she'll look like an alien. too bad since her natural face looked the best.

>>10967298
I'm worried she could end up having some kind of body dysmorphia, but what do I know.

I wish she would lay off the filters as she looks perfectly fine irl. Japanese idols go even more overboard with the filters and I really hate it. Gone are the days of the heisei era when not being pale as paper and looking like the girl next door was considered acceptable.

>>10967252
Rice mold is BAD. Youre supposed to throw out cooked rice if you leave it out overnight because even cooking it doesnt kill the bacteria & it can turn nasty very quickly. This is a big deal.

>>10967306
You read that conversation and think you had something relevant to add? This google gpt regurgitation is what you think pertained to the topic at hand?
The funny part is it's also stupidly incorrect. Rice mold is the backbone of Japanese cooking.
>This is a big deal.
Mental illness.

Did anyone go to that Momentary Princess thing in NYC a few days ago? Apparently a new duo debuted. I haven't seen any clips of the performers so I am curious how it was.

What do you do if an idol you support is making content that is just bad? She's releasing a new original song and the mixing and harmonies on it sound really, really bad. Embarrassingly bad, I don't know how it made it past quality control. Everything else she does is good and pretty high effort, but for some reason the vocals on this track sound awful.

>>10967316
Well your first mistake was supporting absolutely aidol--

>>10967316
do you spend money? buy a cheki and tell them.
otherwise your opinion is insufferable noise since they obviously like it.

>>10967317
why can't kaigai idols hire decent mixers????? all that money to pay for an instrumental to release it and have it sound like shit. many such cases

>>10967325
Why am I convinced it's always the same person complaining about mixes on here. Agreed kaigai idol songs are generally mixed poorly, but most people have no clue whether they're listening to a good or bad mix unless it's really spectacularly bad.
The real issue is all of these horrible vocal takes sung with the enthusiasm of a styrofoam board, bad vocal placement so they sound like a weird child with a cold, and crappy home recordings with the input way too high so the audio is clipping half the time and sung in an untreated room with no attempt to minimize harsh room reflections. All the recording issues could be avoided if they watched a 15 minute video about setting up for home recording too. Paying extra for good mixing if you didn't get the recordings right is just polishing a turd. And if the recording is good, even shitty mixing will sound half decent so long as they aren't actively trying to make it sound bad. Having a good performance should always be the priority. Good pitch and rhythm can be faked but not vocal tone, energy, or pronunciation so please kaigai idols, PRACTICE and get it sounding good before you record it for real.

>>10967333
first of all, 2 people in this thread already complained about mixing so obviously it’s not all the same person. Maybe more than one person has ears and can tell that a lot of idol songs sound like dookie. A kid can’t fix a shitty recording, but in this case it sounds like a combination of both. A good mixer can fix a lot of issues in post like background noise, EQ, etc even if the mic or recording isn’t the best

complaining about mixing is a common modern folie a deux spawned from kpop morons to try to sound knowledgeable about music while not insulting their favorite lip syncer, but without having the slightest clue how to indicate what they don't like. if you don't want to get confused with other people then don't parrot the same ignorant commentary.

>>10967337
u bringing up the imaginary kpop boogeyman every time anybody has any valid criticisms about this community is annoying af. sorry nobody wants to listen to bad mixing on top of piss poor vocals and it has nothing to do with kpop or canadians or whatever it is you use to help cope with also being mediocre.

>>10967344
this. I’m not even a kpop fan, I don’t listen to it, but I have ears and would prefer to listen to music by somebody like phoebe who clearly gets her music professionally mixed but probably still records in a home studio vs. someone who paid someone on fiver to mix their shit for 25 dollars and not even bother to time or tune it

>>10967337
also don’t be purposefully obtuse in the case of absolute aidol it is absolutely bad mixing and shitty singing. neither issue cancels out the other and most kaigai idol songs suffer from both..

>>10967345
the person that keeps bringing up kpop must be an idol that feels personally attacked or something. god forbid we start to have standards.

>>10967334
Yes pretty much anyone can tell that most kaigai idol songs sound bad. My point is that people here keep attributing the bad sound to the mix when that's maybe 10% of the problem at most. If you think that the recording problems I mentioned can be easily fixed by a good mixer, you're sorely wrong. Clipping is literally a loss of information + distortion, if you're sending a vocal file where half of the audio is clipped it's like sending a deep fried jpeg meme and asking someone to turn it back into an HD image, literally impossible. Meanwhile removing background noise is maybe a 1 minute process max with a couple of clicks. The other problem I mentioned with recording in bad rooms, the sound of your voice bouncing off the walls goes back into the mic, it's a massive headache for the mixer to fix and often the best they can do is make it sound slightly less shitty, but never actually good. It's always funny when I hear groups that recorded their lines separately at their own homes, and one person's lines sounds like complete garbage for the reasons I just mentioned. Also EQ is a process that all recordings go through, even when recorded "perfectly" on state of the art equipment, that is one of the most basic parts of mixing.

Blaming the mixer (or lack thereof) is such a cope. So much music is "poorly mixed" or recorded, like indie rock, most major idol groups (AKB48 I'm looking at you), or basically everything from the 60's or earlier. Have you ever heard Be My Baby (The Ronettes)? By modern standards the recording/mix is atrocious but does anyone care? No, because it's a fucking classic and performed by actual musicians.

So yeah how about people just do the bare minimum and hang up some blankets in their room, make sure that the little red light that tells you when your recording is clipping doesn't turn on, practice so they don't sing it like garbage. After that you can start blaming it on the mixer.

>>10967344
>>10967345
>>10967346
>>10967348
failed to address the point, tripled down on the criticism you were being mad fun of for, triggered by the personal call out. fecklessly denied you were the one being called out.

that's a bingo.
>>10967350
it's useless trying to explain something to someone that has already cemented their position. you're using words that aren't in their vocabulary, with a comprehension level of someone that can reads books. that wall of text alone is enough to cause a shutdown.
personally i take it a step further and think audio editing and even audio engineering itself is overrated. street musicians will get thousands of viewers recording next to a busy roadway. the most popular jpop singer and most vtumors record from their futon closet.
anyway brb as i move away from the mic to breathe in.

>>10967363
oh brother, here come the ""mixing" and "mastering" being necessary or standard are lies peddled by the music industry to make young and independent artists less prolific" people

>>10967334
many of them do not use a mixer at all. if they did, they would credit that person. that itself is a problem.

whatever the reason, if it sounds like shit, I'm not interested. If an idol can afford out of state cons, fancy costumes, and yet still won't pay a couple hundred dollars for a good mix, I don't think they care much about the craft itself. hell, they could crowdfund for mixing too. i care about the music product as much as the idol (looks, personality, stage skills) product.

>>10967363
who the hell is a popular jpop singer that has shitty mixing?

>>10967376
yeah it's pretty interesting, she's always begging for money to help her go to out of state cons but i don't recall her begging for money for an audio engineer to mix her song...

Ignored the informative comment that went above your head even when it was publicly foretold and went for the low hanging fruit instead. That you would reply to the comment predicting it instead is hilariously ironic.

OP of >>10967316, of course everyone throwing a bitchfit is ignoring my actual points that this is a this person issue and it's not even a "mixing and mastering" issue. It's obvious the vocals she supplied were garbage. It's obvious the recording quality was bad. And it's exceedingly obvious that instead of whoever she had do this audio work saying "hey could you please re-record these in this way for me so I have something tangible to work with" they just said hurrdurr okay and sent it.

This isn't a case of an audiophile listening to this and noticing bad crop or bad noise cancellation. The vocal work is awful all across the board. There was no direction given by whoever was helping with vocals and there was no effort to give good vocals in the first place. Basically what >>10967333 said regarding the bad vocal takes. But yes, I am also blaming the mixer for not simply giving this girl ANY direction or even outright telling her the mix would not come out good.

In my opinion even Berry's vocals aren't appealing to me. Anon said it best, enthusiasm of a styrofoam board and zero emotion or confidence.

>>10967384
you would save us a lot of trouble if you just linked the actual song of who you're talking about.

because you're not being specific, we're all projecting our own grievances with this topic that we've had in the past.

>>10967384
You're abandoning the substanceless mixing argument and now you're blaming the person whose job it is to edit for not criticizing their client's work.
That's something a producer does, not a freelancer you hired.
I don't know why Berry had to catch a stray for that.
>>10967398
>projecting
There was an incorrect and a correct conclusion to draw here and you don't need to hear the song to know which was correct.

>>10967404
I feel sooooo left out not knowing who people are talking about!!1!1!1

>>10967404
I'm not abandoning shit. I'm blaming everyone involved. Why would you as a freelancer want to produce a product that's verifiably bad? I've seen "freelance" mixers/masterers outright say they won't even work with people with bad mics as they cannot properly make a good enough product with them.
At the end of the day, the mixer said "yep this sounds good!", the commissioner and person who provided the vocals said "yep this sounds good!" and they shipped the product. And it's not good.
Berry caught a stray because she's considered one of the flagship kaigais in the community and I was using her as an example because a lot of vocalists in the community have similar issues.

>>10967412
Ehhh there's plenty of reasons that someone would still go through with mixing poorly recorded vocals. 1. They might be broke and need the money 2. They might have said something about the recordings, but the client insisted it's fine and they didn't wanna push it out of fear of a bad review 3. Didn't want to cancel after accepting because services like Fiverr punish freelancers that cancel orders by reducing their visibility....or any combination of these.

But honestly I don't think Berry belongs in the discussion of bad recordings. She has a nice voice and it suits idol music well. Pronunciation for her first song was a little sus though, half the time I couldn't tell what she was trying to say but at least it was pleasant to listen to. The second song just is a weird ass song that doesn't make any sense, melody doesn't fit with the arrangement, and the lyrics don't fit with the melody...but it wasn't sung badly and the pronunciation improved.

Not a Berry fan at all for the record, it's just not the kind of stuff I'm normally into. But I give credit where credit is due.

its pretty interesting to see how many clout chasers both idols and non-idols exist in this scene

i realize that traveling to thailand is pretty cheap for japanese, but it still reflects poorly on the west that they have a much better kaigai scene and better lives.
>>10967476
the way you would have to define clout chasing in order for this statement to make sense says more about you than anyone else

>>10967476
clout doesn't exist in a community that by large people don't give a shit about and there's no real money to be made.

Did anyone attend Idolgateway Vol 3? How was it?

Still kicking myself for not paying to watch the VOD of Miyu's Graduation fron NonSweet.

Wish Aidol would stop running with the whole "black idols are underrepresented and appreciated by the community" thing. One of the biggest kaigai idols in the community is a black woman and I'm always seeing POC.

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uhh, BASED?

Was Flare actually good or are they your typical "We've been at this for 5 years, get hyped or else"
I thought they were just okay at AWA

>>10967580
wasn't she talking about how idols are conservative? why does she support illegal immigration when it's convenient and popular?

>>10967585
you're slow. she mentioned that idols were conservative not because she supports their beliefs. she mentioned it as cultural commentary.

also, she is a person of color who ice could easily target. they can look at her identification, suspect it's fake and still put her in a detention center just because they feel like it. nothing it stopping them.

>>10967585
ur an actual retard. she said japanese idols were conservative and if you had basic reading comprehension skills you would have also realized she was complaining.

>>10967564
She clearly doesn’t want to be associated with them anymore so sorry nonnie I don’t think you’ll ever get it again.

>>10967583
their vocals are bad but they've been at this forever. they were both in dansu to pantsu back in the early 2010s

What are idol fest to pay attention too this year outside of outakon awa and Holmat ?

>>10967594
>they've been at this forever
this is what i hear from a lot of idols and its the opposite of impressive.
The US idol scene is still piss poor where we still have a lot of mediocre idols, dancing cosplayers calling themselves idols, and vtubers getting into idol events.

>>10967479
Thailand like Japan and HK and Taiwan benefits from being geographically small and densely populated which makes it much easier for the community to grow and for people to share the culture with each other. One of the things holding back the scene in north america is the sheer size and distance between major centers. That's why there's so much disparity between regions.
There's the northeast region around NY, north cali/vancouver and south Cali, Florida and the southeast, Toronto area, Montreal/Ottawa, Chicago/midwest, and maybe Texas, and they don't intermingle very often because of how expensive it is to travel between them.

>>10967604
proximity isn't a problem in comparison to being a developing country. there are many people willing to fly out for an event. there are many more people who can afford to travel, both time wise and monetarily. america is also the music capital of the world and small indie bands have no trouble garnering an audience.
there's also like twice as many people in southern california as there are in bankok thailand.
also this is the informationa age and people are mostly connected online. even at the internet level which takes no effort, yet there is little engagement.
there's too many obvious counter arguments against complaining that north america is at some sort of disadvantage. the only thing it is inferior at is having a cultural appreciation of japanese style idols.

>>10967605
I was not referring to japanese flying to thailand, I was talking about how the community in Thailand can have its own thriving kaigai idol scene. Meaning local thai groups and a fanbase of people who understand and enjoy the idol culture. It's not a new thing either, they have had local groups with sizeable followings since the 2010s or earlier. The Thai music scene in general is pretty big for the country's size too, and it also has a lot of acts with city pop influence as well. That is where the geographic advantage comes in, where more people can see more group and share more fandom in person.

>>10967104
Almost every idol is happy to know they have any fan at all. Each person that says hi to them (within the confines of an event) is a low key shock to them that people actually like their performance. The only thing I could say is maybe keep your comments related to them and their show, and how you felt, and whatever they may have talked about, and avoid infodumping about your own special interest hobbies unless they're actively asking you leading questions about yourself.

>>10967606
nothing in my post suggested you were. also i don't know why you're doubling down on the urban density angle when it's not even a truth.
thailand is 20% bigger than california, it's a huge country with a lot of residential land spread out. and bangkok is comparable to la which is smaller than nyc. maybe you're confusing it with other sea megacities like manilla or jakarta
what thailand doesn't have is cars to get you 30 miles to a show. or a massive airline industry with cheap tickets anywhere in the country. or a large upper middle class with disposable income. it doesn't even have a good comprehensive transit system
america is the second best country to be an entertainer, regardless of how spread out it is between the coasts,

what would you say is *the* most important trait an idol or kaigai idol must have, even if they lack every other trait? i have thought about this for a while and for every single aspect i could think of, there is an idol either in japan or overseas that doesn't possess said trait and is still at least mildly successful. would appreciate if you could share your thoughts.

>>10967620
every successful idol has charisma. an outgoing personality that gets people interested in what they have to say. timid idols may get a viral moment or get propped up by their peers, but it doesn't last long.

on the other hand female fans will elevate a woman that says what they want to hear and is desirable to only women, so you often see vapid soulless model like girls being given a spotlight if they can trick a lot of people into thinking they're popular. it works the same way with men judging other men. i'd put that in the same category of success as someone like andrew tate or kim k, which is more scam than anything else. people love to be scammed.

>>10967620
being attractive
Successful idols will work to keep that idol image. In terms of looks, singing, dancing, and personality

I'm sure that someone lie Pan Ranger would be a lot more successful if she took care of her image both physically and not getting banned on twitter. Instead they get glazed up by their "friends".

>>10967624
i definitely get this point and i also agree, but would you say idols like pan ranger or paida have charisma? hell, even some of the most popular akb48 girls aren't necessarily very charismatic or outgoing, just attractive (and perhaps a bad example since them joining a highly established group will grant them a lot of exposure to begin with). i've thought about this too but there are always exceptions popping into my head, maybe because it's subjective to a degree. overall i do agree it's important.
>>10967626
this i feel like is one of the top 3 aspects at least. i've seen idols who would be lacking every trait except beauty and still have at least a decently-sized fanbase. though i think this aspect isn't as important in the us as compared to other countries, especially japan. we have a bunch of unconventionally attractive idols who still get hyped here in the us.

>>10967628
Defending pan ranger.. obsessed with Thai idols.. this is definitely either ashes or Jared Lin lol

>>10967629
literally where did i defend pan ranger? i essentially said they don't have charisma and that's not a compliment. leave me alone with your irrelevant ashes and co. bitches.

>>10967620
Not a trait per se, but a good producer/personal brand. Producer as in the one that chooses concepts, songs, how the fan interacts with fans, etc. The line is blurred with most kaigai idols since they are effectively their own producer. A good producer can recognize the strengths and weaknesses of an idol, and either finds a way to hide the weaknesses, or turn their weaknesses into part of their personal brand and something "loveable". If you've ever been a huge fan of an idol only to lose interest after they join a different group, then congrats you were probably just a fan of the producer. Not ashamed to say this has happened to me many times. This is why people say at heart that all hello project fans are actually Tsunku oshi (at least, when he was still the main producer). Of course, it's a lot easier to market an idol that has at least several qualities that people typically like in idols, like being attractive, good personality, skilled in singing/dancing. The most successful idols have both a great producer, and also the ability to refine and build their personal "brand" on their own. Think someone like Michishige Sayumi, or Ano-chan (although technically she's not an idol anymore?)

>>10967631
Oops I meant "how the idol interacts with fans"

>>10967630
i wouldn't consider either of them to be successful. but i think they both have confidence in their voice and that translates to popularity in their niche and your positive perception of them.
>akb48 girls
propped up by their more charismatic peers.
>this i feel like is one of the top 3 aspects
wack girls and akb are objectively ugly in terms of japanese celebrity and all of the popular ones are more recognizable than the personality suppressed nogizaka or modern hellopro groups. that hierarchy stays the same at all levels of notoriety.
the question is then, why would you hire uncharismatic pretty girls. and it circles back to scam. because it's more profitable to extort money from lonely incels than to seek a broad general audience.
>>10967631
i think if producer was the most important aspect to success then there wouldn't be thousands of producers. there would be a couple. there are also a lot of popular idols in terrible mismanaged groups. and every company has a laundry list of failed acts as well. i wouldn't even rate producer higher than looks.

>>10967620
Smile. A confident inviting smile. It can be on the cooler side or sweeter side but the smile tells all. And not just a mouth smile. A smile that engages the whole face, body and spirit. Charismatic people have a good smile. A perfect doll looking idol is less appealing if they don't have a good smile. I'd rather support someone who looks like they are enjoying every moment on stage and not shy to hide it. I'd even argue a good smile takes skill too. To have a good smile you have to feel it from within and also execute it outwardly which can take practice.

In short, a good smile is the top quality because it includes looks, charisma and skill to do well.

>>10967620
You can get by with mediocre singing and dancing, and you can get by with a modest outfit, you can get by with a horse face and bad wig. What you can't do without is good stage presence and energy. You have to be able to present yourself on stage in a way that encourages connections with people.
If you're too stiff and anxious people will feel sorry for you but they wont' become fans. If you're too loose and chaotic people will wonder if you're just taking the piss.

The second thing you need is the work ethic to actually put effort into practicing for your show. People will forgive a TON of imperfection if they can tell you're putting your full energy into it. If they can see you improving little by little every time you go up, they'll become invested in your growth and development as an artist..

>>10967648
PS. Someone once said that an idol's main job is not to sing and dance, it's to be liked.

>>10967628
NGL being pretty can carry you very far but Pan and Paida do demonstrate it's not all looks and weight. Cute girls will surely sell more gravure photoboks. However if you can give people a very warm reception at buppan/cheki time, you can cement lifelong fandoms.
Cute girls who can't into socializing can score easy fans with gooners and goslings but those guys are fickle and will drop them easily the moment the facade cracks or a prettier face shows up.

>>10967631
I think producer being the most important only applies to alt-idol chika groups that stay out of the standard girlypop rainbow outfit orthodox jpop genre. The ones that go into alt genres like EDM, rap, shoegaze, metal, hardcore, etc. Those groups are very heavily producer driven for their music, brand identity, and visual look. For mainstream groups the producers would normally be farming out songwriting and styling.

It's pretty interesting how much the west coast has dominated this scene in the past 3 years

>>10967717
it's not really the west coast, it's mostly just la and it's mostly because of a few people that bothered to learn japanese at a fluent level and are willing to take risks.

>>10967736
Vancouver has a big idol scene too with NonSweet being the leading example of a kaigai idol group.

>>10967590
an idol complaining about politics is retarded, a western idol complaining about the culture of east asia is even more retarded
>cherie ife is half japanese
she is also based from Chiraq

>>10967748
>chiraq
go back to /pol you unwashed moid

>>10967767
i learned that term from a bartender when i was in chicago

Sakuracon
>Theres too many of you fuckers trying to get free passes including you wotagay shiters
>we are cancelling all the small panels and we are doing an idolfest
>you now have to buy your own pass
>but because there is too many of you jobbers trying to apply we are only going to limit you to 5 minutes

>>10967842
>so many people want to perform they can't fit everyone unless everyone is limited to one song
Fine for an open community stage thing but this is when it's time to start gatekeeping for quality and for the benefit of the audience.