>>21977842
Brother, shark tastes like piss.

>>21977850
yeah but surely you could synthesize something like shark meat without the taste of piss, there's gotta be tastes/profiles hidden beneath that pissy layer of piss

>>21977842

Meat growing in industrial scale is a pure pain.
Those reactors are a delicacy for all kinds of germs, bacteria and viruses alike.
DIfferent from a real animal there is no immune system, everything has to be absolutely sterile or you have to pump it full of antibiotics but that still leaves you with viruses.
Only one tear through which air can enter - and your whole produced mass is compromised and potentially infected.
IN laboratory scale that works - but not on an industrial level.
Cells are complex, you don't just throw stem cells in a vitamine solution there you go, they need a whole BUNCH of trace molecules of which many are not even known. Hormones, signal molecules, co-enzymes,... This complex mix can to this day only be provided by natural bovine calf serum (gained by taking a basically ready to come out calf fetus - because you want MASS, a small embryo would not give you much - and ramming a hollow needle in its heart and sucking out the blood).
Reactors are energy hungry. The heat that in an animal is provided by the body combined with insulation through fat, fur etc must be provided electrically. Vegan dreamers sometimes spew nonsense about how they can be "fed" with grain or other natural products (how, without digestion?)
That is nonnense - bio reactors are heated with ELECTRICITY, not grass...

>>21977842
Wait until you learn that the government can perfectly predict inflation by how much money they print, but report inflation to you based on the basket of goods deflated by technology and purposely ignoring food.

>>21978099
The cow is literally a robot dude it’s a fucking robot designed to make beef on its ass for clones to bite down on. How can you see it any other way. You don’t need like any education to just look at the animal and say “yeah that’s a design, its entire purpose is in its ass being huge to cut off and eat”. If lab grown meat was ever gonna be a big deal, alienfag would’ve just did that already. He still seems to be working on projects like that just for fun I guess, he’s fucked every bitch already and now gets up to weird experiments.

>>21978111

That's the point.
There already exists a SELF-REPLICATING (well you need two of specific types but in principle), GERM RESISTANT, FULLY SELF PROVIDING in terms of molecules, SELF HEATING precisely adjusted bio reactor that can be powered with waste products such as grass - it's called an animal.
There is just NO NEED for artificial reactors like that.

>>21978120
>GERM RESISTANT
A lot of disease already spreads from livestock. Massive amounts of livestock culling regularly take place to try and limit the spread of disease.

>There is just NO NEED for artificial reactors like that.
There's a lot of inefficiency and waste involved. The technology isn't good enough right now but we should be able to produce something better, faster, and cheaper eventually.

Of course there's also a decent possibility that it'll be a low quality substitute.

>>21978120
Yeah the cow apparently doesn’t even have a soul anyways. Alienfag said he is the cows. Like that’s the big point of the vegan argument is that we’re torturing human souls that have been confined into the body of beasts to be consumed by lucifer. I dunno, we can’t exactly verify if there’s a guy inside every cow. That would be kinda hard if there was huh. The mysticism behind the cows soul is mostly kept hidden from science textbooks, probably for a reason. We could obviously just attach gps to the cows soul and see where it goes when it dies. But, they won’t ever release that type of data to us.

>>21978099
I like you, you seem actually intelligent which is unfortunately extremely rare on this board.

>>21978127
>inefficiency
The whole "10 cals for 1 cal" shtick, disregarding that those are ten calories that humans CANNOT USE?
>waste
Not really, in modern farming basically the whole animal is used. Many things we don't want are sought after in other parts of the world.
Other than that animal farming is a circular process: The animals are fed with waste products from our crops and produce manure, which in turn is used as fertilizer to grow more crops. Like if rapeseed is pressed and the oil extracted the remaining parts (which are the majority of the bio mass) can then be converteid into milk and meat by feeding it to the animals. When soy is pressed the remaining mass is put through the extruder to destroy most of the plant's toxines and then given to the pigs.
A cow meadow is put there where grains could not grow. More crops require more animal farming to be able to at least use a PART of the harvest waste for human consumption purposes.
Or are you talking about the water "waste", which is usually "estimated" basically like this: A cow stand on a meadow, it rains 10000 liters on there - BOOOM! 10000 liters of water waste.

>>21978154
>>inefficiency
>The whole "10 cals for 1 cal" shtick, disregarding that those are ten calories that humans CANNOT USE?
No, more like a cow needing 1-2 years to grow. Or that people don't really want anything other than premium cuts of meat as much.

>When soy is pressed the remaining mass is put through the extruder to destroy most of the plant's toxines and then given to the pigs.
Feeding pigs/cows/chickens a diet of corn and soy just makes them sick and in turn they produce products that don't taste as good and are less nutritious. But it's not feasible to have every cow only eat grass, or every chicken and pig pastured.

>Or are you talking about the water "waste", which is usually "estimated" basically like this: A cow stand on a meadow, it rains 10000 liters on there - BOOOM! 10000 liters of water waste.
I'm not really sure what you mean but needing to dedicate a large amount of water just for that when it could possibly be used for something else might end up being a problem sometimes.

Factory farms are also terrible places that need to eventually stop existing and maybe lab-grown meat could lead to that.

>>21978186

Cows are herbivores, they thrive well on a diet with basically just grass and very little (!) amounts of grains as power food. They have a complex bacterial flora in their stomach that is specialized in fermetning cellulose, feed a cow too much grain and it dies, that flora is very sensitive.
PIGS on the other hand are omnivores just like us, That they are today just fed plant products you can thank BSE/MCD for, before that they were fed meat/bone meal.
I'm sure because pigs today are only fed plants many people are not even AWARE that they definitely would not reject a nice piece of meat.
Only through our modern biotechnology it over years was successful to create an artificially designed protein concentrate grown in bacterial reactors that can be added to their feed providing them with the most needed animal proteins. Y-yay...?

>>21978099
Thanks, interesting stuff. I wonder if it would be possible to start from the "other side": like modifying an animal so it cannot feel pain

>>21978205
>like modifying an animal so it cannot feel pain
There is some debate over whether bivalves can feel pain since they're mostly immobile and have no brain or central nerve cluster like lobsters. Even vegans argue over whether it's okay to eat oysters now sometimes. It wouldn't surprise me if there's a bigger push to eat bivalves as something more ethical than eating other animals while also being healthier than a vegan diet which lacks bioavailable nutrients.

>>21978200
>I'm sure because pigs today are only fed plants many people are not even AWARE that they definitely would not reject a nice piece of meat.
Yeah, it's like packages of chicken saying "vegetarian fed!" when chickens are omnivores and a vegetarian diet isn't good for them.

>>21978200
Pigs are a great way to dispose of a body. But, they can’t digest the teeth. So you need to store the body in a barrel filled with citric acid to melt it all down. And, the resulting block of human meat can be fed to the pigs, it’ll probably take like at least a week for your pigs to chew through all that. Need to grind the bones to bonemeal, there’s not really a good way to get rid of the meal. It’ll still contain dna and also will still resemble a bone. But, it’s much better than leaving like an entire femur or skull out in the open.

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>>21978215
>Pigs are a great way to dispose of a body. But, they can’t digest the teeth. So you need to store the body in a barrel filled with citric acid to melt it all down. And, the resulting block of human meat can be fed to the pigs, it’ll probably take like at least a week for your pigs to chew through all that. Need to grind the bones to bonemeal, there’s not really a good way to get rid of the meal. It’ll still contain dna and also will still resemble a bone. But, it’s much better than leaving like an entire femur or skull out in the open.
Hence the expression, "as greedy as a pig".

>>21978205
That is the other side of the coin.
If you already have a functioning bio reactor and the problem is the supposed pain when killing it, why not just make it so that basically has no brain and therefore cannot feel pain? Like those drawings of genetically altered pigs that are basically just living meat sacks with no real head.
From a purely logical standpoint that seems like the most efficient and best solution, solving basically every problem at once.
That thought experiment gives a very interesting view on the human mind, why this thought is so appaling.
I think it's because of the total reduction of a higher living being into literally just a brainless meat producer. People would still prefer a in principle free willed animal being slaughtered - even if it is in fact already not much more than a meat producer.
There could be involved some inherent slippery slope worry as well, like how long it takes until YOU then lie there as a brainless sack connected to those feeding tubes.

>>21978215
Great advice for life there.
Always useful to know.

>>21977842
>Why can't I go to Walmart and get shark meat.

You could go to a fish market and get shark meat.

>>21978226
Honestly my views on bioethics are pretty extreme, so living meat sacks don't faze me in principle, but I get what you mean.

>>21977842
>we finally did it. concentrated fried chicken