>>4012934
Why do troons feel the need to push the idea that the only way to be universally appealing is to be feminine? Alcibiades looked absolutely nothing like this - he was beautiful in a way that would be considered "masculine", by today's standards. His beauty was more Chadlike than feminine.

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Regardless: this is a good thread. Here's Ganymede and Zeus

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12th century Slavic boy

>>4012964
I mean, who cares? Everyone has preferences. And you know as well as I, that it is not just le troons. Greeks themselves were putting the youthful beauty higher, as we learn in Syphomius and Phaedrus.

>>4012964
It's not a tranny thing, it's more a result of the broader gynocracy.

>>4013032
You are complaining about an art by an artists well known for drawing femboys, anon. You are welcomed to post one yourself.

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>>4012986
>Greeks themselves were putting the youthful beauty higher, as we learn in Syphomius and Phaedrus.
Youthful =/= feminine. The beauty of young males, as exalted by the Greeks, was not "feminine" beauty - Greek catamites looked nothing like the draw-a-girl-call-it-a-boy shit that I initially replied to, because boys rarely look like that. It is your modern perversion that associates youth with femininity.
>I mean, who cares?
I care, because it's frustrating to see real-world examples of homosexuality in antiquity perverted into heteroid garbage by modern "bisexuals"(READ:heteredditors with a penis fetish).
Drawing a famously attractive man as a woman, despite the fact that he was decidedly male, pushes the idea that femaleness is universally attractive - I, as a homosexual, on an imageboard for people who are supposed to find masculinity attractive, am allowed to find that sort of historical revisionism (and the ideas it pushes) annoying.
If you *really* want to do the draw-a-girl-call-it-a-boy shit with Western antiquity, why not find an artistic rendition of a gallus, or of Sporus? There are feminized males in history that can fit your preference.
>>4013032
I instinctively gestured towards trannies because theyre usually the ones who try to say that Greek catamites were "femboys" - but yes, youre right. This sort of revisionism isnt because of trannies (in particular), but about gynocracy and the sexual interests it pushes.

>>4013057
Agreed, i hate the whole feminine=beautiful shit. Male youthful beauty has nothing to do with femininity.

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I wish I could save him in some sort of time machine

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>>4013057
>Youthful =/= feminine.
But it does mean androgynous. Which is what most anime style drawings accused of "draw a girl, call it a boy" actually are. That Alcibiades pic has zero feminine secondary sex characteristics. He only "looks like a girl" there because he has bangs and long eyelashes.
For the record, pic related is how the ancient Greeks portrayed youthful male beauty. That's pretty androgynous if you ask me.

>>4013057
paedo nigger, you like pictures in anime style. what you like is already inherently feminized.
unless, of course, you like actual men like kenshiro or jotaro kujo. but i know you do not.

>>4013085
That body is not androgynous at all, plus a trapfag would find it too masculine and unappealing. Also pretending like most drawings that get called draw a girl call it boy are just androgynous is disingenuous, most of them have nothing to indicate the character is male.
>>4013086
NTA but again, Youthful =/= feminine. Explain how it's inherently feminized.

>>4013094
trapfag here, i think it is arousing. you are just delusional.

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>>4013094
>no body or facial hair
>round face with fine nose and subtle brow
>soft body with only faint muscle
>shoulders not especially broad
How is that not androgynous? I'd even go so far to say that this depiction counts as a trap. If you put that Dionysus in a dress, pretty much everyone would think he was a girl. And the ancient Greeks would likely agree with me.
Achilles, an undeniably masculine gigachad, was said to have successfully crossdressed. He was so convincing in appearance that he had to be goaded out by exploiting his masculine personality. So we have compelling evidence that, in the eyes of the ancient Greeks, a beautiful youth was androgynous enough to pass as a girl, even if his character was exceptionally manly.
>most of them have nothing to indicate the character is male
That's what androgynous means. Nothing overtly masculine or feminine about them, aside from genitals which are usually obscured. All children start out this way. So youthfulness for both sexes is associated with androgyny.

>>4013100
Androgynous is both masculine and feminine features. A lot of trap drawings are purely feminine.

>>4013057
You are clearly forgetting Appolo exists, and his statues are always "I am more beautiful than any woman"

>>4013123
God I love ancient greece

>>4013085
>He only "looks like a girl" there because he has bangs and long eyelashes.

Realistically, men tend to have thicker and longer eyelashes. Media arts, entertainment, and makeup just sorta push reality out the window.

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>>4012931

>>4013270
That's Jared Leto.

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What could have been