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>>152291118
Bumping
Sadly won't be as comfy as the Iron Man + WCA threads but hopefully it will be more successful

>>152291144
Man, been ages since seen Donald. Nice to see him pop up again since much like Shocker he's always a great career criminal type that's pretty nice as a person.

>>152291175
>Hulk is there despite barely counting as an Avenger in the comics but not Hank Pym
Tony why you snubbing my guy like that, you literally put Janet there too so it seems deliberate on your end.

So fucking boring. Fuck me.

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And that's it. If you liked this, support your LCS or whatever.

Hmm, I don't trust this guy to write a good Norman.

>>152291284
WHO INVITED HIM

>>152291284

Osborn really getting to use that face turn

>>152291221
Hank pym is known to the general public as a wife beater

Compare to other runs begining this is a masterpiece but that only show how low Iron man bar has been.
Seems that wanted to speed too much info and characters but in the end didn't show much.
Tony characters feel a little arrogant but is better than the garbage sad man.
Williamson is known to use the Rogue gallery (hell, he and Simone are the only one that wrote a decent Livewire) I hope his pacing isn't fucked just to show too many like It happened in Green Arrow

>>152291284
who is that between carol and steve

>>152291682
Fuck off marvel

>>152291682
You are known to the general public as a shit eating secondary

>>152291257
mirin' those gains, tony

>>152291257
>The Tony Stark award (his idea)
>The stupid motorcycle entrance
>Look. Listen. Learn.
So he's back to his usual asshole self.

>>152291284
Even if Peter were there in person vouching for him I don't think any of them would bring Norman in for this

>>152291294
Pretty decent first issue.

>>152291294
Thanks OP

>>152291284
>Osborn
I'm guessing he's there due to the whole Dark Avengers and HAMMER shit? He's not exactly that connected to Tony.

>>152291118
bump

>>152291160
At least a hoverbike is a better idea than a superhero gambling app he had last run on iron man

>>152291253
Odd onomatopoeia choice

>>152291115
I thought Iron Man was already a character with a long history of comics?

>>152291284
LOVING
EVERY
LAUGH

>>152292120
I’m probably biased as Pym is my favourite marvel character but all of the harping on about mental health that they pushed with Thunderbolts falls flat when you realise that they treat arguably their best mentally ill character as a pariah for doing something that was obviously due to his mental illness.

>>152291231
Was Tony this tall or the armor makes him HUGE?

>>152292473
I think Williamson mentioned he wanted to do something with Tony and Osborn due to both being businessmen and the Dark Avengers stuff

>>152291190
Oh, I can already tell he's going to be a villain.

>>152291284
I'll be honest, after Siege, Norman really should have been an Ironman villain for a year or two.

Still, I am a fan or redeemed Norman, and hope that it lasts a few more years.

>>152292091
Probably Jessica

>>152291184
Ah great, Pepper IS ALIVE, so the rumors of Fei-Long killing her or she deserting to ORCHIS were just rumors

>>152292091
>Carol & Rhodey
>Sue & Reed
Is Osborn sleeping with an Alyssa Wong enby?

>>152291118
bumb

I don't like how he's written to be like RDJ

>>152293307
I first thought it was Amadeus, but he is in space.
I don't know why to bring Jessica Jones in, but the writer seems leaning toward heavy MCU characterisation, so that's probably the reason.

>>152291160
Does this mean Hawkeye can have his Skycycle back?

>>152293603
I think it's still painted in Carol's colors

>>152293582
>Amadeus
Still ruined and green.

>>152292837
People are like that. A lot of my family say they support the mentally ill, but really hate my Dad because his Bipolar makes him act crazy and get into episodes. If Marvel want to dog on somebody with Bipolar they should do it to Norman, he really is a bad person at his core. Pym is a great guy, he's just fucked in the head.

>>152291301
Williamson’s only story is “the villain is now a good guy/ally”. He does it over and over and over. Ras Al Ghul, Bane, Doomsday, lobo, baroness and on and on.

>>152294121
Exactly, Norman might have mental issues but he’s obviously rotten to the core while Hank wants to be a hero in spite of his issues, which is why Ultron exists. Instead of the Ultron-Pym shit and the MCU synergy(the MCU should have used Hank anyway but that’s a completely different discussion), maybe they could have had a storyline where he actually pushes through his issues and makes amends, moving back to being a hero, whether that’s Ant-Man or another mantle. They gave him a kid with Tigra a decade ago, have that be part of his motive to improve and move forward rather than moping around like he has since the MCU synergy.

MCUslop

>>152291284
Here for Carol

I once reimagined Iron Man as a cute teenager with a bunch of congenital defects who straps himself into a “Real Robot” style machine

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>>152294453
>I once reimagined Iron Man as a cute teenager
Franklin...

>>152294504
No

>>152291115
I forgot, who is Citizen V these days? I know it's been a cluster fuck of a title since the end of the first Thunderbolts arc in the 90's

>>152294658
It's a new character apparently.
The last person to be called Citizen V was Sunspot during Ewing's New/US Avengers book

>>152294453
We already had 2 seasons of Iron Adventures.

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>>152291284
These new Illuminati line ups keep getting worse

>>152294679
Not like this

>>152292837
Say one thing, people who give Hank shit make it very easy to spot that they got all their information second hand.

>>152291284
Cap, what's going on with your hair? Stop it.

>>152292091
Maria Hill? Yuna Yang?

>>152291160
So how does this compare to flying cars in terms of safety?

>>152294453
And you people still wonder why nobody likes fags

>>152294725
It doesn’t help that Marvel itself has fed into it between the Ultimate comics and characters calling him a wife beater in 616. They’re afraid of actually tackling him as a character which is why the most relevance he’s had is in the Ultimate universe reboot where he’s brain damaged enough to be entirely passive.

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>>152294764
Do you not want an Iron Man that has this aesthetic

>>152291207
>Screw it, I'm going to show up in Iron Man stories by force if he isn't going to appear on his own

>>152291231
>Pepper, get back

You're carrying her, how is she gonna get back? Editor should have caught that, but
>Marvel editors

>>152291198
Oh shit Citizen V

>>152295031
This time the V is said as "Single-U".

>>152291184
I thought she was dead? The whole Frost thing makes less sense if she was always alive.

>>152295385
She's an organic shapeshifter that was planted to distract Tony Stark by appearing as a friend.

>>152291284
>>152292473
>>152293295
I agree, Norman fits here, even if he's not a vilain (as of late)
>both businessmen
>both led their own agency/Avengers team
>literally both had armors
we could get a decent rivalry between Tony and Norman for once, no Spider/Goblin stuff in the way

>>152291184
So the MCU synergy is back on? The past few runs diverged, but I guess it's back.

>>152291178
Is this the first time since the Crossing Tony has been rocking just the mustache as opposed to the goatee that he's been stuck with ever since Heroes Reborn?

>>152294504
>>152294679
>>152294764
The idea I went with is this.
>Tony in the OG comics was always teetering on the edge of death due to his heart damage
>THAT could get fixed though because it was an injury.
>What if I made him younger, like 16, yet frail and sickly as a part of an inborn genetic condition that couldn't be fixed? He's like 5 feet and 90 lbs.
>The reason I made him so young is because it means he's not only inexperienced and easier to feel bad for, but has no control over company resources
I basically stripped him of the "Celebrity superhero" status and focused on his nature as a tinkerer.

Regarding Hank being absent, isn't his return/resurrection currently a secret being kept by Wasp due to Hank being rightfully bitter at how Slott did him super dirty via having all of the Avengers, even Vision who's fuck up got him merged with Ultron in the first place (and who continues to refuse to take responsibility for it) always hated and despised him?

>>152291115
Didn't we JUST have an Iron Man #1 relaunch?

>>152293671
I thought Wade used it in a Hawkeye and Deadpool mini

>>152295688
I’m surprised they didn’t take that angle in the MCU as it feels like an obvious change considering the links between Tony and Spider-Man, having him be introduced as a rival to Tony before becoming a full villain would have been interesting even if I’m not a fan of Spider-Man being Tony’s sidekick.

>>152296159
It got canceled along with WCA since no one supported them

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>>152291284
I have hero versus hero fatigue

also variant covers for this issue:
Iron Man #1 Adam Kubert Promo Art Variant
Iron Man #1 Annie Wu Foreshadow Variant
Iron Man #1 Clayton Crain Variant
Iron Man #1 Declan Shalvey Armor Foil Variant
Iron Man #1 Elizabeth Torque Madame Masque Variant
Iron Man #1 Gerardo Sandoval Foil Variant
Iron Man #1 Ivan Talavera Melinda May Variant
Iron Man #1 Marvel Cosmic Invasion Variant
Iron Man #1 Pablo Villalobos Variant
Iron Man #1 Skottie Young Connecting Variant
Iron Man #1 2nd Printing 1:25 Ryan Stegman Black & White Virgin Variant
Iron Man #1 2nd Printing Gerardo Sandoval
Iron Man #1 1:25 Ivan Talavera Melinda May Virgin Variant
Iron Man #1 1:50 Clayton Crain Virgin Variant
Iron Man #1 1:100 Pablo Villalobos Virgin Variant

>>152296229
>Hey Tone, how many variants would you like?
>Yes

>>152294675
What happened to Contessa or her LMD being Citizen V?

>>152296176
surprisingly took 20 years or so for both sides to notice the obvious connection, not sure if it the MCU can pick it up

>>152296278
Iron Man is dead so it won’t happen now, if they were going to do it they should have introduced him around Iron Man 3 and had him be a recurring character leading up to him becoming the goblin post-endgame

>>152296257
I forgot about that.
But Williamson has said in interviews this Citzen V is a new character

>>152291118
Bumping for reading

>>152296229
>One of the later issue covers I liked was a ratio one, so it would be like $70 if I got it from my local shop
Fuck this. Well at least one that really appealed to me was a standard one.

>>152291682
Yeah but Tony's marketing team, and Marvel themselves, put the Hulk there and he has killed tons of people.
Captain America became a Hydra agent.
Is Hank Pym's wife beating scandal really that big of a deal in the Marvel universe?

>>152297332
There is the possibility it was just a telephone tag issue since Thor is supposed to not exist right now because of his own story and Hank is also being mysterious.

>>152291160
China already made one. So now they're copying what China already have

>>152294753
While routes are still planned to avoid buildings the only advantages is you can avoid traffic collision & pedestrians

>>152291284
Norman Osborn!?

>>152297676
He's going to debut his new Iron Spider-Goblin appearance.

>>152291284
Norman is going to have SEX with Tony!

>>152291284
This makes no sense

>>152292837
There's nothing wrong with bias if it's pro Hank Pym my guy

>>152297633
Nice try, wang.

>>152294687
I don't like that Brashear is there. Unlike the others he always knew better.

>>152291751
The Mandarin got a Marvel Legends figure recently
Do you think he can make a return?

I'll say this: at least the first issue isn't about Tony losing his company and/or armor for the umpteenth time.

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>>152291284
I dont give a fuck about Norman when I just got flashbanged by Citizen V. How long has it been since anyone has worn that getup?

>>152298785
A few months.

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>>152291682
>mfw the MCU has to use Scott as Ant-Man because marvel editorial pre-MCU decided to canonize Hank's wildly different personalities across different authors as genuine mental illness, making him unsuitable for general audiences and forcing his half-assed adaptation into a grouchy mentor role that's already past his prime

>>152298644
>>152294207
>Come Anthony, we shall save the masses from their ignorance.

>>152298295
>>152298914
As I said he’s my favourite character and it’s sad he’s effectively exiled to being a side character because most writers don’t want to touch him and the MCU moped out rather than having the balls to adapt him and give Hank a chance at being a good character again.
I could come up with a million things that I’d do if I was given the job of writing a new Hank Pym story, but the MCU has sealed his fate to be permanently irrelevant so anything new that isn’t alternate universe stuff is ridiculously unlikely.

>>152299068
In this day and age, being permanently irrelevant is probably a good thing. Better he be that than constantly abused and ridiculed like some of the A-Listers.

>>152299151
For any other character yes, for Hank Pym his legacy is being mentally ill and treated as a pariah as a result, even now he’s just a mopey old fuck that has nothing going for him to keep him in line with the MCU.

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>>152294783
I am still waiting for a suit that would emulate the Modular Armor's rage face.

>>152299712
Nah

>>152299068
Man I already have so many ideas for what I'd do in a Hank Pym run either storyline wise, what villains would work well for a Rogues gallery transplant, what heroes I would have him interact/team up with and I've gone over them a few times in the past. Like it's mental how much people are against Hank Pym, his own YMMV page on TV tropes is just relentless shit flung his way that I was getting actively angry reading it and it feels like only Christos Gage, Al Ewing and Mackay have his back since we all know especially the shit treatment Hank got after Busiek's Avengers and West Cost Avengers ended from Bendis or Austen those hacks. Sometime I'll have to do a Pym reading binge if you've got any recommendations since admittedly I got into his character through EMH and reading some of his classic issues at libraries.

>>152291118
Reading and bumping. Thanks.

>>152291284
Seeing Norman vs Tony could be fun, but at this point it's like the heroes are personally helping Norman set up Dark Reign 2.

All it takes is Mephisto flipping the reverse switch on Sin Easter's magic, and Norman Stormin Osborn is back on top holding the keys to the Illuminati and ready to toss some blonds.

>>152299907
It is weird how long this Norman redemption has stuck with how much seeming active spite for everything else Spencer introduced in his run that the writers seem to of had.

>>152299918
A part of it I imagine is that the whole Kindred/Sin-Eater storyline turned into such a mess, no one wants to untangle it to figure out how Norman goes back. I don't think anyone knows what "having his sins removed" even means.

Another part of me figures they're building Norman's reputation back in-universe so they can eventually go back to a classic dynamic of Norman being Peter's powerful, rich villain with good publicity and a secondary identity. They haven't actually had that status quo since Luke Cage and Urich outed him in the Pulse back in 2004.

>>152300050
It's kinda funny that even as someone that overall likes Spencer's run despite its flaws, the stuff they kept was the more contentious stuff but they will eventually make Norman a villain again since they did the same with Otto after his redemption, did the same with Sandman despite the fact him becoming an Avenger was genuinely a good direction for him and the only time it seems to have stuck is with Venom who's pretty much splintered off as his own part of Marvel now.

>>152300205
Sinless Norman seems to have been well received, but it all stems from Norman selling Harry to hell and later getting brainwashed into being good. At some point it has to come back to bite them.

The problem of the office is that it's rooted in Mephisto. They like to tease OMD, but it looks like they spooked last time and have avoided mentioning the circumstances which Our Friend Norman came out of.

>>152300392
>Sinless Norman seems to have been well received
But I personally don't like it.

>>152300392
I fucking hate Mephisto so much, like I genuinely wish they'd just kill him off and get him out. He's not a cool villain and he seems to exist now just to derail other characters like the Serpent Society, Otto, Peter and so on.

>>152300050
>no one wants to untangle it to figure out how Norman goes back
No man, that's not it. We've had multiple stories where that was almost undone only. Goblin Queen and Spider Goblin both could have easily ended with a reset Norman but Marvel chose not to.

>they're building Norman's reputation back in-universe so they can eventually go back to a classic dynamic
Yet again, a hard disagree. Maybe if it was just one or two writers, but I think we are on writer 4 or 5 of redeemed Norman without any one person overseeing long term plans. Hell, the short lived Gold Goblin phase is proof of a lack of long term planning here. Good Norman is just going to to be a thing till we get a writer who wants to undo it.

>>152300392
>During the Clone Saga they ruled out using Mephisto as a scapegoat because he's not a Spider-Man villain
>Now they can't stop themselves from using him for every shitty retcon they can think of

>>152299861
I can’t get into specifics at the minute but my main suggestion is his stories from the 1970/80s. You get him becoming Yellowjacket, his mental decline and him losing everything but managing to find some redemption with the West Coast Avengers and (even if he got back with Janet, which I’m not a fan of, they should have stayed platonic) It’s the period of time in the comics which made him my favourite character as they had the balls to commit to him declining mentally and losing everything, considering ending it all, but managing to find some purpose again.

How would YOU make a compelling Iron Man comic work in 2026?

>>152300513
Make him job
>>152300755
Whole-ass AU

>>152300844
I'd have Dormammu just consume Mephisto's existence and absorb hell into the Dark Dimension. I'm sick of them treating him like shit when he was always the cooler villain anyway.

Crap. I forgot to include a name in the letter I wrote.

Fucked up that the Dark Dimension and the Darkforce Dimension are two different dimensions.

>>152301017
Darkforce is blacker.

>>152301017
Nobody ever remembers the Lightforce Dimension.

>>152300755
Screw compelling. Just have him acting so weirdly everyone thinks he under a bodyswap/mind control/impostor kind of story and his claims that he ran 15 different diagnostic checks this morning and irrational fear of telepaths isn't helping perception.

>>152301069
Well it is a lot more vague since light is a normal thing while Darkforce has weird physics. But supposedly it is going to appear in the Knull series based on the solicits.

>>152300953
Not until Mayday gets some licks in

>>152301201
She can be what gets Mephisto thrown into Dormammu's path

>>152301355
Really just have her mock him.
Restore Peter's Other powers also and his marriage.

>>152299907
>it's like the heroes are personally helping Norman set up Dark Reign 2.
Dark Reign’s 20th anniversary is in two years.

I really hope you’re wrong, but I have a bad feeling about this.

>>152301550
If it means Norman FINALLY gets depicted as the evil sonuvabitch he is? So be it.

>>152301609
Even if it includes Knull?

>>152301623
Ah fuck it

>>152296229
I ordered the Melinda May variant because it was a "classified cover" so I thought it was going to be a spoiler. But it's not.
>2nd print
is that really necessary?

>>152302748
I don't understand why they don't show all the variants when they do solicits.

Sex with Madam Masque. Her art in MJ Venom makes her look sexoooo

>>152291271
Why is every subsequent Iron Man armor doesn't really look good? The last one was Bleeding Edge and black and gold, and that one is just color swap of standard red and black. Idk maybe I'm just spoiled by MCU's armor evolutions.

>>152302869
Iron Man is considered "solved". But If I was in charge of desigining an Iron Man it probably would just be a kitbash of ones I like with exaggerated shoulder pads.

>>152302925
I'd just go Real Robot

>>152302937
Boston Dynamics Man and his pet dog Percy

>>152302925
Yeah I understand the 'solved' one. It's just the common look, Mk 3, Mk 4 and such looks so basic. Again, primarily spoiled due to MCU where armors looks different. So here in comics, they gotta keep armor simple to draw but they don't really feel oomph.

Also I take that back, the last armor I find appealing, was the Krakoa era armor where it's just Mk 85 synergy.

>>152295385
Literally nobody but Duggan cares about that garbage ship.

>>152303025
WAT

This thread made me realize that Norman would actually make a pretty good Iron Man villain

>>152303088
Well they did that.

>>152303088
You did remind me that my first exposure to Titanium Man as a villain was in the Spider-Man issue with the Iron Spider suit. I still think ol Boris is a really awesome and underrated villain ever since then.

>>152303121
And everyone hated it

I think the problem with Iron Man is that it’s hard for him to be a believable underdog

Clearly Stark needs a Gundam type suit or a Super Robot type suit. Unless he already has those then nevermind.

>>152291284
This last page reveal makes no sense.
Why exactly do they need to go after Tony and take him down?
Because... AIM attacked him?

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>>152304187
Carolbump
>>152304187
Because he tried to assemble the Illuminati I think

>>152294675
My bet is that this Citizen V is actually Scourge posing as Ronin

>>152303726
That is why you have problems he can't use Repulsors on.
>>152304078
He has some. I think the biggest was a suit designed to fight Sentinels.

>>152303726
My problem with Iron Man is that he's fooling people into believing that billionaires can be good people.

>>152291257
>>152291264
>iron man comic
>no half naked women, instead half naked man
I don't like

>>152307600
Tony's body is very important.

>>152307697
if you're a faggot

>>152300755
Strand him in a planetary system the Mandarin conquered and write 12 issues about him freeing it through a combination of combat and business tactics

>>152307875
Samurai Jack?

>>152291184
Wonder if her dog is still alive. She looks like the pug type.

>>152306322
>>152306118
Or maybe stop killing off all his cool villains or giving them to Ant Man

>>152309352
Scott Lang is an Iron Man supporting cast member. It is okay for him to get hand me downs in the movies. But Iron Man really can't claim MODOK since he first appeared in Captain America's stories and is a "general pool" bad guy.

>>152309352
It was just a few years ago that Tony was hooking up with Janet, bantering with Jocasta and fighting Ultron. If anything it's he who should stay in his lane.

>>152309676
I’m talking about Ghost you idiot.
Also the Mandarin literally got made into a Shang Chi villain, which is incredibly fucking racist

>>152303033
I care. Iron frost is peam

>>152309676
>>152309425
Let's be honest, they either kill off or flat-out remove all of Iron Man's cool villains.
Ezekiel Stane's biotech stuff is cool as shit

>>152304078
Just go full Armored Core

>>152309676
He also debatably stole Living Laser who was originally more of an Avengers villain/Janet Van Dyne simp.

>>152310060
Melter didn't make the incomplete collage of dead Iron Man villains, so does that mean he isn't cool?

>>152312928
Let's be honest, kinda.
Most "Cool" Iron Man villains either get
>Killed off
>Removed
>Given to someone else via the MCU, like with Ghost or the fucking Mandarin.

>>152312928
I like Melter so that's what matters, plus there's at least someone still using his mantle and active in comics though his most major contribution in Ironman was melting Tony's car.

>>152313030
Is Controller cool?

>>152313264
Has he been seen lately?

>>152313550
This decade, no period of being dead, hasn't been used in the MCU.

>>152297633
Chinks can't build shit

>>152291284
Yep ALL OUR HEROES, not a single one missing or out of place.

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>>152291115
This was very middling. Nothing to say. Very "meat and potatoes". But I find most capebooks to be just that and nothing more these days.

>second printing already
ZAMN!!!

>>152313550
He was in that new Champions Series for an issue, and before tha,t he showed up in Cantwell's and Slot's Iron Man runs

>>152291184
I often forget that Pepper is an actual Marvel character and not a creation of the MCU

>>152315181
Will Williamson manage to make it past 10 issues?

At least he doesn't look like RDJ

>>152291194
The down side is that this is the only way we see most of Iron Man's classic villains anymore; as easily defeated jobbers seen at the opening of an issue before we move on to the real story.

The second Blizzard always was a jobber villain who usually worked as part of a team, so it's not as bad as if it was a different villain, but it's not a great sign that Iron Man runs are still opening like this.

>>152291284
>all the outrage over this page
Have people not been following Spider-Man? Good Norman has been a thing for about 4 years by now.

>>152293295
>I'll be honest, after Siege, Norman really should have been an Ironman villain for a year or two.
It really feels like after that second Dark Avengers team in 2012, the Spider-Man office grabbed Norman back and wouldn't let anyone else play with him until now, and did it right after years of elevating him to being more than just Spider-Man's archenemy. We do know he was originally going to be in Axis but the Spidey books blocked it and let them use Hobgoblin instead, and it happened so late in the day one of the Axis covers has Green Goblin's face drawn but recolored as Hobgoblin.

>Still, I am a fan or redeemed Norman, and hope that it lasts a few more years.
Same. No matter how stupid the stories that got us here were, somehow we've gotten some really good Norman material out of it. It's just such a shame they took all his kids away before we got here, things could've been even more interesting.

>>152296028
It would be, if he didn't have that tiny bit of beard still.

>>152293671
>>152296166
It's not like there was just one skycycle, they used to get destroyed and replaced as often as Avengers Quinjets.

>>152291217
I like this page. All the colors and the direction reminds me of Petrol Head

>>152307732
nta, but so what if he is? if all it takes for more sexy naked women is more sexy naked men, bring it on.

>>152315485
Outside of Hawkeye, has any time Iron Man tried to convince someone to go straight actually stuck? Even Force who was a very minor guy who could have theoretically just never appeared again ended up reverting decades later.

>>152310021
He already had a blonde psychic girlfriend, and it wasn't exactly fun times.

>>152291284
This sucks, man.

>>152304187
On top of all the shitty business he already did, Tony got into crypto and LLMs. That was the final straw.

>>152318029
>Tries to reinvent how businesses work entirely multiple times to support the workers, have a positive impact on the world, and be transparent
>Keeps losing them and end up chasing other people's trends instead (Maybe you could claim Iron.GPT's sucky nature was over ethical concerns since he knows many true AIs.)

>>152315524
I wouldn’t be surprised if they bring the Ultimate version of Harry Osborn to 616 like Miles, he’s effectively the main character of USM at this point. From there they’d probably just use 6160 Harry as if he’s the original.

>>152318029
>is a nepo baby, a techbro, a billionaire, and deep state thug
>world's greatest purveyor of military hardware and mass surveillance technology
>has literally put people in extraterritorial black site prisons without due process
>has abused cosmic power to occupy NYC and brainwash its residents
>add to that being a crypto shill and an AI booster
Fucked up that Hank McCoy went full villain but Tony Stark gets to be treated as just a nice guy who's a bit arrogant and has a poor work/life balance.

>>152318915
He is a repeat offender of event-based dickery. Armor Wars should be what his lowest point should be (acting out of guilt and for the greater good, but causes innocent people to get harmed in the process and interferes with legitimate actors)

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>>152294264
Various writers have tried to redeem him, but you've seen how well it sticks. Without an editorial mandate to the contrary, some writer or another will always jump at the chance to do him dirty.
Well, I guess they could always make a story to metatextually recontextualize all future regressions. That might be nice.

>>152319273
Mephisto made him do it

>>152318915
If Kelsey Grammer was hotter, things would be different.

>>152318366
Frick, please let that switch stay off the table. Ultimate Harry is a pale imitation of 616 Harry and no substitute would feel the same.

>>152319336
Bite your tongue, anon. Some men don’t need muscle when their voice alone could have me rethinking my entire life plan. Heavens, the things I would do to have that tall, confident man whisper sweet nothings to me forever…desu, it’s embarrassing how fast I’d fold like origami.

>>152294264
Like, EVERYONE gets on Pym for that, but Norman gets forgiven constantly

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>>152320046
It's almost as if Norman is a Chad with a cool alter ego, whereas Pym is a neurotic wreck who talks to ants... Aesthetics trump ethics.

>>152320046
It's a double standard present in a lot of fandoms. Audiences hold heroes to impossibly high standards while giving villains a free pass because “well, that’s what they do.”

>>152291115
Love Stegman but Iron Man is not a good fit.

>>152320130
Hank can turn giant and fight Kaiju or see the Living Tribunal, Norman turns schizo and got owned by Mr Fantastic's children once...actually will say it's so lame that Spider-Man wasn't responsible for his fall In dark Reign and instead of was Bendis's poochie's Luke Cage and Jessica Jones.

>>152320130
Pym has multiple cool alter egos, quantity over quality wins here.

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>Williamson asking "what comic should I read to understand the current status of the Marvel Universe and where it's heading" prompted Marvel to revive the Architects thing again with Hickman and Zdarsky
What the fuck

>>152320158
Yeesh

>>152320407
Honestly, it should've been Tony that was responsible.
I think Tony was one of the characters who suffered the most in Dark Reign

>>152320592
Could've been the both of them bringing him down, anything that wasn't just Bendis shilling his personally preferred characters as usual.

>>152320407
>actually will say it's so lame that Spider-Man wasn't responsible for his fall In dark Reign and instead of was Bendis's poochie's Luke Cage and Jessica Jones.
That wasn't how Dark Reign ended, that was how Norman first went to prison about 6 or 7 years earlier. Dark Reign ends with Tony disabling Norman's Iron Patriot armor and Norman then getting taken down by Captain America.

>>152320846
Let's be honest, bringing Norman down was a mistake, Marvel's been on a downward spiral ever since. Some things were already bad, but everything just got worse.

>>152320846
Honestly, everyone should've just jumped Norman

>>152321613
That was how Bendis had Thanos get taken down in Civil War 2.

>>152321569
Wasn't it that in the Pulse Jessica and Luke are the ones that exposed him and that's what led to his eventual fall? Mind you my memory is a bit spotty since it's been years since that whole storyline plus I've avoided Bendis books like the plague.

>>152321695
>Wasn't it that in the Pulse Jessica and Luke are the ones that exposed him and that's what led to his eventual fall?
The Pulse ended years before Dark Reign. The story you're talking about was a lead-in to the opening of Millar's Spider-Man run, which begins with Norman having broken out of prison and getting defeated by Peter and sent back to jail.

That Pulse arc was published after Millar's early issues and was supposedly a sort of continuity patch to deal with Millar not really knowing what the status quo with Norman was.

This was all back around 2004 or 2005, years before Dark Reign.

Dumb question but why is Madame Masque running AIM? I thought MODOK and Monica Rambeau were heads of that organization?

>>152321695
Yeah the Pulse is where Osborn got revealed to be the Green Goblin for the first time.

>>152321789
In Al Ewing's Venom she took over the organisation by force.

>>152321789
Rambeau is another Ms Marvel
You mean Rappaccini
And yeah, she's typically been street level and ran around stealing tech and artifacts with her gangs
I guess it's to establish her as a bigger player

>>152321765
Ah ok, thanks for the refresher dude. Admittedly cause so much happens in Marvel and I follow mainly specific characters it's really easy to lose track of a lot of this info.

>>152321765
I think the Pulse was actually published first.

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>>152321847
>Ms
Captain.

>>152321847
You're right, sorry, brain fart there.

>>152321847
They even had her worf Count Nefaria her dad despite the fact he has ionic superpowers but the last I saw he was depowered and in a wheel chair during Spencers Spidey run so I'm not sure if he got them back by the time of Well's awful run I only glanced over.

>>152321789
Madame Masque will be in the MCU.

>>152296028
he rocked a howard hughes stache in the first half of the fraction run

>>152291284
Rhodey would try to take on Tony personally, he wouldn't be hanging out with these people

>>152321844
>Yeah the Pulse is where Osborn got revealed to be the Green Goblin for the first time.
Since then Norman's publicly confessed to having been a Green Goblin but not THE Green Goblin, sticking to his earlier story about the real Green Goblin having a vendetta against the Osborn family, and having somehow brainwashed both Norman and Harry into having worn the costume. The only Green Goblin moment in that Pulse arc that was undeniably proven to be Norman was the moment where he gets caught by Cage.

>>152321893
Nefaria's power levels fluctuate so much that he's basically as powerful as the current story needs him to be. Sometimes he's completely depowered and just a normal guy, sometimes he's Superman-tier, sometimes he's somewhere in between.

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>>152292868
both.

>>152321912
They used her name for a very unrelated character in one of the TV shows set in the past. Although if they use Madame Masque in the movies, they could have Whitney annoyed about being named after the stage name of an actress.
>>152321893
That post earlier about writer's tendency to write supervillains as allies seemed funny if you have Count Nefaria doing it. Like not remotely reformed, throwing buildings on people, saying things like "when in America, do as the Americans do" after insulting the food, referring to Whitney as a unruly daughter and showing no regret with how she turned out, and generally considering himself above the rabble.

>>152322142
Riri is an asshole

>>152322329
Huh?

>>152322058
>was the moment where he gets caught by Cage.
Norman was so wildly out‑of‑character in that story. If the plot survives only by subtracting IQ points from the villain (or anyone else unlucky enough to be in the cast), then the writer should probably sit in the corner and think about what they've done before submitting their work.

>>152322142
>>152322058
Count Nefaria is honestly super underrated as Marvel villains go. I love that he's essentially the perfect venn diagram of being a gangster and also a supervillain, both in visuals and execution. I also like the bit where he fights Superior Octopus and just laughs at him since he knows he'll eventually slide back into the supervillain role. I'll have to pickup his Marvel Legends figure eventually alongside a few others.

>>152321789
She's one of those villains who bounce around between different criminal enterprises because no two writers can agree one how to use her. So sometimes she's a mob boss in downtown Manhattan, sometimes she's a magical arms dealer, sometimes she's an enforcer for a villainous trade union, sometimes she's CEO of AIM, sometimes she's just a lone wolf madwoman trying to kill Tony Stark by snu-snu, and so on and so forth.

Rappaccini and Superia always deserved better.

>>152322465
Eh, the last one only happened once. But if some future writer claimed that there are multiple of her running around again, I don't think there would be an issue.

>>152322384
>Norman was so wildly out‑of‑character in that story.
Well it was Bendis.

Oddly Norman would later become one of the few characters he'd consistently write well, but his first time out handling 616 Norman was that bad.

>>152322439
>I love that he's essentially the perfect venn diagram of being a gangster and also a supervillain, both in visuals and execution.
Sometimes he's also a mad scientist, sometimes he hires mad scientists to work for him.

>>152322465
Meanwhile daddy Nefaria is just chilling in upstate New York or something and raking in passive income.

Armored Adventures should've been the basis for Tony's villains going forward

Tony should just be a villain.

>>152322601
Exactly, he's essentially a perfect encapsulation of all the comic book villain archetypes in one package. Honestly he's the only villain Armoured Adventures didn't do a great job on since they just have him as a stock Maggia boss instead of ever having him get his ionic super powers or form Lethal Legion. Honestly Count Nefaria would've been perfect for an arc of EMH now that I'm thinking about it in my head.

>>152322758
No.

>>152322838
It's a natural development of the character.

>>152322702
That show easily has by a landslide the best versions of Mandarin, Whiplash, Unicorn and Ghost when it comes to adaptions. I also really like the idea they have of Crimson Dynamo as a vengeful cosmonaut and having his armour be essentially a space suit with its arsenal, durability and larger frame being cause it was made for that environment.

Didn't read. Are you people circlejerking over Bethany and Rumiko like other places?

>>152323437
No? Have no idea who either person is to be honest

>>152291194
>Get electric powers during the Inhumans push
>They are still so useless he still has to steal batteries to operate his suit